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Johnny Dickshot
Aug 01 2006 09:00 AM

Never before has a boy wanted more.

Marchman argues to give it up for Endy.

]Crafty Mets Steal the Pirates' Family Jewels
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By TIM MARCHMAN
August 1, 2006

Let's give Omar Minaya some credit for quick thinking. Late Sunday night he learned that setup man Duaner Sanchez had been involved in an auto accident and that his shoulder was badly injured. He managed to keep the news from leaking and to quickly trade someone he didn't need — right fielder Xavier Nady — to the Pittsburgh Pirates for something he, and every team in baseball, can use — pitching. Mets fans can feel free to bring this deal up any time someone claims that all Minaya is good for is convincing ownership to sign fat checks for star players like Pedro Martinez and Billy Wagner; faced with a problem, he didn't panic or overreact and brought home the goods.

There are three separate moving parts here, which need to be treated independently. The first is the injury to Sanchez and how that affects the bullpen; the second is the question of young Oliver Perez, and the third is the right field situation.

Sanchez's injury is, depending on how you look at it, either not all that big a deal or a very big deal indeed.It's not going to affect the Mets' season at all, really, both because they have such an insurmountable lead (replace Billy Wagner with Mel Rojas and Willie Randolph's men still take the flag) and because Sanchez is not an irreplaceable pitcher. Darren Oliver has been better, and Wagner and Chad Bradford as good.That being said, replacing Sanchez with Roberto Hernandez is a step backward, and assuming Sanchez had continued to pitch as he had been and Hernandez continues to pitch as he has been, it will be worth something on the order of six runs over the last two months, but it's difficult to conceive of how that could do real damage.

The argument for this being a very big deal is equally simple: You need a good set-up man in October. Bradford is an excellent situational guy and Oliver a superb long-man, but neither really fits the profile of what you'd like to see in the eighth inning against the heart of the Cardinals' lineup. Hernandez, despite his glorious 2005 run with the Mets and his shiny 2.93 ERA, isn't what you'd like to see there either; his 33/24 K/BB ratio tells the tale of his diminished command and velocity. Sanchez, who can pitch multiple innings at a time and never needs a day off, is not just an excellent regular season player but one ideally suited for October. It's a problem, and one this trade doesn't solve.

The real solutions are probably already with the team. Aaron Heilman hasn't adjusted to the league adjusting to his fastball/changeup combination yet (it's hard to believe there are still people pimping him as a starter), but he's certainly capable of dominating the backend of a baseball game. If Mike Pelfrey is put in a short relief role and told to just throw his fastball, he could astonish.

And I'll never understand what the Mets have against Heath Bell; he's been dominating in the minors for years and performed quite well in 16 games earlier this year, showing himself to be durable, resilient, and possessed of very good stuff. He's a better pitcher than Hernandez right now, and I'd sooner see him grab that set-up role. At any rate, having Hernandez around certainly doesn't hurt; he'll be useful in the pen, and it won't be his fault if Randolph passes over better options in favor of his special brand of veteran moxie.

The key to this deal is Oliver Perez. Two years ago there weren't 10 players in baseball you could have traded for him. At 22, he led the National League in strikeouts per 9 innings and finished sixth in ERA with a 2.98 mark. Since then, things have not been good. Last year he racked up a 5.85 ERA in just over 100 innings and injured his toe kicking a cart, and this year he's gone 2–10 with a 6.63 ERA and brutal peripheral numbers — 61 strikeouts, 51 walks, and 13 home runs in 76 innings. He's been just as bad in Triple-A, with a 5.63 ERA in six starts.

All of this makes it an ideal time to grab the talented lefty. Pitchers with this kind of talent just don't come on the market. He has quite a few problems, most notably that his fastball isn't touching the high 90s anymore, and his breaking ball doesn't have the same snap. Theories abound. Some say the Pirates altered his delivery for the worse in trying to make him more effective against righties. Some think he's injured. Some think Pittsburgh's just a bad organization that doesn't help players develop, and that a change of scenery will do him well. Whatever the case, it's more than worth it to take a risk on him, because he has the potential to make Mets fans forget Scott Kazmir. If it's a mechanical problem, an untended injury, a psychological issue, or something getting a fresh start can fix, all the well.If he's just done at a young age, as happens, it was worth the chance.The Mets didn't really give anything up to take it.

That brings us to the third moving part here — right field. Xavier Nady came through in the clutch an awful lot during his brief time with the Mets, but the truth is he was exceeding expectations and still wasn't even an average hitter for a right fielder. He just doesn't hit for high enough average or draw enough walks to make up for it; for every dramatic home run there were five times he chased at some ball a foot off the plate. He's the kind of player you can carry if you have MVP candidates at defensive positions like shortstop and center field, but especially given his unbelievably brutal defense (has any man ever been so poor at coming in on the sinking liner?), he's really an overstretched bench player. When you can get needed bullpen help and a reclamation project with Perez's potential for a player like this, you don't even think about it.

Who should take up the slack? Many will call for Lastings Milledge, but I don't see why. As was predicted here (to much scoffing from normally level-headed Mets partisans), when recalled earlier this year Milledge hit like the bad Jose Reyes. He's not ready. Further, the Mets have a nice in-house option — Endy Chavez is a truly exceptional defender, and advanced defensive statistics like those researcher Chris Dial has posted at baseballthinkfactory.org support the idea that Chavez's defense is enough to make up the gap between his feeble bat and Nady's average one. The Mets should stick with Chavez for a month and call up Milledge when rosters expand. It won't hurt him, or the team, a bit.

In all, this was a fine bit of maneuvering to get out of a bad predicament. The Met got by far the most valuable player in the trade, and the only area in which they'll lose on the field is the one that wasn't under their control. Minaya (one supposes) didn't run down Sanchez's cab, but he has put together enough good arms that Randolph should be able to make up for Sanchez's loss. It's a better day than trading for Victor Zambrano.

metirish
Aug 01 2006 09:12 AM

Marchman makes a strong case,who does he write for?,surely not the Post.

Johnny Dickshot
Aug 01 2006 09:17 AM

NY Sun.

Yancy Street Gang
Aug 01 2006 09:20 AM

I hope he's right.

My feeling, now that the dust has settled, is still that the deal didn't need to be made. Perez is probably more likely a has-been than a jewel. Nady, while not as good as we may have made him out to be, was producing for us. And, like the writer above says, Hernandez could have been replaced from within by a guy like Bell.

Now that the trade has been made, it's really Oliver's future that will determine if it's a good deal or not. (Of course, Nady has a say in it, too. If he ends up in Cooperstown we'll be gnashing our teeth for decades. But I'm not figuring that that's a big possibility.)

I'm okay with Lastings and Endy handling rightfield the rest of the way. Whoever plays better will get more playing time. Between the two of them we should be okay. I am concerned about Lastings' inexperience costing us something in the postseason. (He may do something to remind us of Timo Perez and that non-homer by Todd Zeile.) But I'll worry about that in October.

Elster88
Aug 01 2006 09:42 AM

]but the truth is he was exceeding expectations and still wasn't even an average hitter for a right fielder.


Well I'm glad that's cleared up. Why couldn't anyone else tell me the truth and save me some grief?

I'm rolling my eyes right now.

Rotblatt
Aug 01 2006 09:51 AM

Hey, that's a nice, well-written article! I'd suggest we start an anti-SYTYASW thread, but we'd only get to dust it off once a year or so . . .

Anyway, Joe Sheehan from Baseball Prospectus agrees, and thinks it's just as well the Linebrink deal didn't happen.

#
]10: The Mets shuffle well.

Barry Zito didn’t come east, but the Mets managed to help themselves anyway, adding Roberto Hernandez and a lottery ticket in Oliver Perez for Xavier Nady, a very replaceable part. Hernandez had some success in New York, and he’ll fill the role left by Duaner Sanchez, who may be done for the year after suffering a shoulder injury in a car accident. Hernandez will get the play, but adding Perez is a great gamble. The power lefty needed a new organization, and Shea Stadium is a great park for strikeout pitchers. Perez could be the new Sid Fernandez in 2007, if you can picture Sid after an extended stint on “Survivor: Salad Aisle”.

The Mets were rumored to have flipped Perez and Heath Bell to the Padres for Scott Linebrink, a trade that actually was reported in some places. It didn’t happen, which may be for the best. Linebrink just isn’t that much better than Bell, for one, and that deal would have given the Mets three right-handed set-up men, crowded even given their six-inning rotation.

Elster88
Aug 01 2006 09:52 AM

="Rotblatt"]Perez could be the new Sid Fernandez in 2007, if you can picture Sid after an extended stint on “Survivor: Salad Aisle”.


I'm not sure Sid would've survived that.

Willets Point
Aug 01 2006 09:54 AM

Please sir, can I have some more?

Edgy DC
Aug 01 2006 09:58 AM

]He's the kind of player you can carry if you have MVP candidates at defensive positions like shortstop and center field, but especially given his unbelievably brutal defense (has any man ever been so poor at coming in on the sinking liner?), he's really an overstretched bench player.


OK, take it easy. How about remembering, among other things, that his season was interrupted, through no fault of his own, by him having his guts cut open?

The theory that the Pirates break talented young pitchers, and Perez can therefore be fixed, is supported in part by the brutal performance of Zach Duke, though it's still clearly a wishful theory. I wouldn't be surprised if Perez is already throwing a session with sensors strapped all over his body, producing a telemetric vector-graphic model of his motion.

86-Dreamer
Aug 01 2006 10:13 AM

Marchman and BP and other objective observers have sound bases for their argument that Nady is an easily replaceable part. But my Metly memory recalls very few outfielders that have put up 20 HR / .800 OPS seasons at Shea (Straw, Gilkey, Floyd, Bonilla, McReynolds, Beltran06 - are there any others?) so I believe that Nady may be just a bit better than he is getting credit for.

I think Omar deserves the benfit of the doubt, and concede that Perez has the ability to make this look great someday, but I would have taken my chances with Maine/Pelfrey/Bell/Owens in setup role over the next 4 weeks and tried a waiver deal at 8/31 for a reliever if that did not work out.

Johnny Dickshot
Aug 01 2006 10:16 AM

What I read about Oliver! wasn't that the Pirates purposefully screwed him up but that he struggled to take direction thinking that having a replicable delivery interfered with his flow. That'll be a challenge for Peterson.

Watch Oliver! as he nearly falls on his face delivering strike 3 after strike 3...

[url]http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player_media.jsp?player_id=424144[/url]

MFS62
Aug 01 2006 10:42 AM

Calling Perez a "lottery ticket" was a good line.

Later

old original jb
Aug 01 2006 11:03 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 01 2006 11:05 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
I hope he's right.
(Of course, Nady has a say in it, too. If he ends up in Cooperstown we'll be gnashing our teeth for decades. But I'm not figuring that that's a big possibility.)


Nady could easily end up in Cooperstown; property is still a good value upstate, the lakes are beautiful, and there are numerous recreational and cultural activities. I would recommend it as a lovely place for retirement.

On a more serious note, because the starting rotation is so iffy, because the availibility of premier starters was so low, and because the Mets are built around the bullpen this year, I do think that Sanchez had to be replaced with the best available player. If Perez can be fixed in 10 or even 20 minutes, that would be gravy. It's unfortunate to have to lose Nady, but 20+ homerun outfielders are fairly replaceable, and I'll be surprised if Nady exceeds that in the long haul. Chavez--at least 2006 Chavez--has turned out to be quite a sparkplug and I'll be damned if something could doesn't happen way more than I'd expect when he comes to the plate. He sort of reminds me of the good side of Timo Perez, without the lapses.

Would I rather that Sanchez didn't get in a car accident, the Mets got Oswalt, and Nady and Chavez could platoon? You bet.
But we don't live in that universe.

old original jb
Aug 01 2006 11:04 AM

failed edit attempt

Elster88
Aug 01 2006 11:09 AM

]It's unfortunate to have to lose Nady, but 20+ homerun outfielders are fairly replaceable,


I don't know how true that is. I think they are harder to find then 41 year old relievers. They are probably easier to find than good relievers, but I'd rather have taken a shot at what we already have and kept Nady around.


]and I'll be surprised if Nady exceeds that in the long haul.


I dunno. He did hit 9 in just his first two months.

soupcan
Aug 01 2006 11:19 AM

Elster88 wrote:
I dunno. He did hit 9 in just his first two months.


...and was out for a month.

MFS62
Aug 01 2006 12:18 PM

Back to Oliver Perez. This article is less than one year old. Maybe he does just need a fine tuning and some time.
Later

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Baseball Digest, Sept, 2005
Dejan Kovacevic

Pirates' Oliver Perez: has a bright future in majors: left-hander had a breakout year in 2004 and despite struggles this season, he still has all the tools to have a long, successful career

IT WAS NO PLACE FOR A YOUNG pitcher, not even a wide-eyed wunderkind.

It was Denver's Coors Field, the hitters' paradise of baseball with its mile-high air and mammoth gaps. To boot, it was a brisk 39 degrees on a mid-May night. And into the box for a fourth-inning at-bat stepped Vinny Castilla, revving up his resurgent 2004 season with the Colorado Rockies.

Somehow, this scenario was on the verge of turning into a laughing matter in favor of Oliver Perez.

Humberto Cota, the Pirates' catcher, does not make a habit of hey-batter-batter bantering. But he makes the odd exception for a fellow Mexican, and he found that he could not resist offering a playful prediction to Castilla.

"He comes up to the plate, and I tell him in Spanish, 'You know, you're not going to hit my guy today.'" Cota recalled. "He says, 'Oh, yeah?' I tell him, 'No way. Wait till you see what he's got coming here. No chance.' He just shook his head."

Three pitches later, Castilla still was shaking his head.

Still speaking Spanish, too.

Only he was muttering to himself on the way back to the dugout after a failed, flailing attempt at a patented Perez slider that nosedived violently under his bat.

"As a catcher, you try not to laugh," Cota said. "But some of the stuff that hitters say after Oliver gets them is pretty funny."

He grinned at the thought.

"We hear all kinds of bad things about Oliver, you know? And then, the next day in the paper, they're comparing him to Randy Johnson."

Perez went the distance in the Pirates' 11-2 rout that night. No other opponent pitched a nine-inning complete game at Coors last season.

Still, by year's end, that performance would blur into so many others of equal or superior caliber. Enough to convince more than a few in the baseball fraternity that, at age 23, Perez is on the fast track to joining the game's elite.

Not the current elite.

The elite of Sandy Koufax, Lefty Grove and Steve Carlton, the greatest left-handers in history.

And no one laughs when they say it.

RAW MATERIAL

Perez did not emerge as a consistent major league starter until last season, but his talent was discovered much earlier.

The San Diego Padres paid $40,000 in 1999 to gain his rights from Gustalvo Ricaldi, owner of the Yucatan Leones of Mexico's top professional league. Perez was 17.

Shortly after that, Mike Brito, the Los Angeles Dodgers scout who signed Fernando Valenzuela, advised Padres general manager Kevin Towers that he had just landed Mexico's most gifted pitcher since Valenzuela.

The opinion was shared by many.

"Everyone could see he had a great arm. But what set him apart was that he was so confident," said Ricardo Gama, a teammate of Perez at the time and now a member of agent Scott Boras' company that represents him. "We knew he could be great. Everyone in Mexico did."

When Perez made his San Diego debut June 16, 2002, he was 20, the youngest player in the majors. He hardly looked out of place, though, earning victories in his first two starts against the Seattle Mariners and New York Yankees, the opponents in the American League Championship Series the previous year. In the latter, he out-dueled David Wells before a home crowd of 55,858, prompting Padres pitcher Alan Embree to tell reporters: "You had Fernandomania. How about Olliemania?"

Perez struck out 13 in Colorado a month later, stuck out the year in San Diego, and his future appeared golden.

But an erratic opening to his 2003 season contributed to the Padres demoting him to Class AAA by May, just after he was pounded for seven runs in three innings by the Pirates. He came back up in mid-June but fluctuated from brilliance to butchery.

After an 0-3 run, the Padres traded him to the Pirates August 26, along with future National League rookie of the year Jason Bay and prospect Cory Stewart, for All-Star Brian Giles. San Diego management, preparing to move into a new ballpark, coveted a veteran standout.

The move mostly was panned in Pittsburgh as yet another salary dump by the Pirates, and the immediate reaction was little better from Perez, who was disappointed to leave San Diego. He even made the naive offer to Padres manager Bruce Bochy to stay for one more night after the trade and fulfill his next scheduled start.

"It was a surprise," Perez said. "I didn't know what to expect from the Pirates."

The Pirates did not know what to expect from Perez, either.

"We knew we gave up a good player in Giles, and we weren't sure how Ollie would work in the majors," manager Lloyd McClendon said. "But we knew he had great talent."

SPIN AND POLISH

No one was more eager to work with Perez than pitching coach Spin Williams, although it did not take long to realize that he was facing perhaps the most significant challenge of his career.

Perez had a blazing fastball that regularly hit 98 mph on the radar gun, rare for a left-hander, along with a devastating slider and blossoming curveball. He overflowed with confidence in his ability to attack hitters. The raw material, without question, was there.

But the control was not: The mechanics were a spastic mess. The problem was not that Perez did not know how to pitch. It was that he did it so many different ways, mostly without reason. He had multiple arm angles, motions, release points, even leg kicks.

Variety can be a pitcher's friend in the sense of mixing up pitches, but it does no good to have inconsistent delivery. Not in getting the ball to the catcher's mitt. And certainly not in terms of preventing wear on the arm, which was the Pirates' primary concern.

"I could see an injury coming if he kept going the way he did, and something needed to be done about it," Williams said. "For him to move his arm angles, really, was the big worry. If you drop your arm below where you're used to pitching, that creates a drag in your motion and, as a result, more strain on your elbow. A pitcher's elbow needs to be strong and healthy, needless to say."

Management closely monitored Perez for the rest of 2003--he went 0-3 with a 5.87 ERA in five starts--and again in spring training, but advice was limited to minor suggestions.

That changed March 19, 2004, in Fort Myers, Florida, where Perez blew up in an exhibition against the Boston Red Sox by allowing five runs in one and two-third innings.

Williams pulled Perez aside that day and told him it was time for a fresh start. He instructed Perez to be at Bradenton's McKechnie Field early the next morning and every morning thereafter for the duration of spring training.

Together, they worked on rebuilding every aspect of his pitching motion. Using a white towel in place of the ball at first to minimize strain, Perez followed through again and again in an attempt to make his deliveries uniform. Then, he did more of the same while holding a ball and with different pitches.

"I wouldn't call it a total reconstruct of his mechanics," Williams said. "But it was an adjustment to just about everything."

The timing complicated the process. The Pirates were two weeks away from opening the season, and Perez was no better than an even bet to make the major league roster.

"I had to make a lot of changes, and I still wanted to make the team," Perez said. "I was thinking about both of those things at the same time."

The angst could have mounted with his next exhibition outing, March 25 against the Cincinnati Reds in Sarasota, Florida. He gave up four runs in three innings, and his fastball was clocked 10 mph slower than usual.

'"That outing right there told me a lot about him," Williams said. "He could have been discouraged by the results and decided that his old way was better. But that's not what happened. He realized that he did everything we wanted from him out there. His mechanics were terrific, even if the results weren't. And he stuck with it."

The rest of the season, as Pittsburgh baseball fans would come to know, was magical.

He became the staff ace with a 12-10 record, a 2.98 ERA that ranked sixth in the National League and a total of 239 strikeouts that ranked fourth. His average of 10.97 strikeouts per nine innings was highest in the majors and a figure that only seven other pitchers in history have matched. He struck out 10 or more batters in a game nine times, including a career-best 14 against the hard-hitting Houston Astros Sept. 9 at PNC Park.

All that, and he managed to limit his walks to 81, an average of 3.7 per nine innings.

The transformation impressed those who share a uniform with him significantly more than it did his head-shaking opponents.

"You look at where Ollie was last spring, and you didn't know what you were going to get," fellow starter Josh Fogg said. "But, just like that, it seemed, he got as sound mechanically as you can be. And when you're a guy throwing 97-98 mph with a dirty slider, if you can locate your pitches the way he was, that's a heck of a package."

Fogg is one of many in the organization who credit Williams.

"Spin deserves the credit for that," McClendon said. "I think my pitching coach is as good as anybody in this league as far as teaching. He does a fine job with all our young pitchers, and he did a great one with Ollie."

Williams wants none of it.

"That kid attacked the problem," Williams said. "He went after it the same way he goes after hitters."

MINING FOR MORE

The foundation for a great pitcher, naturally, is a great arm. Not a strong arm, necessarily, but the one with the ability to pass through the pitching zone with the greatest speed.

Which is why Perez can throw 98 mph while pitchers who can bench-press twice as much struggle to hit 90 mph.

"Bigger, stronger has nothing to do with it," said Will Carroll, author of Saving the Pitcher, a book that studies pitchers' anatomies. "Perez, like so few others, has a natural ability, to control the entire kinetic chain and move his arm at 2,300 degrees per second, placing the ball at spots inside a rectangle roughly the size of a book. It's part genetics, part luck, and part practice, but all magic when it comes together."

Even if it is immaterial in terms of velocity, Perez is visibly bigger this season, having bulked up his once spindly frame to 6-feet-2, 205 pounds in the past year. As McClendon observed last spring, "Look at him. He's a man now." That could help his coordination and consistency.

Another element that separates great pitchers from good is their deception factor.

That is how baseball insiders describe the ability to prevent the batter from seeing the ball until late in the motion. It can be the arm coming across the body late or the wrist flicking in a manner that keeps the ball hidden a fraction of a second longer.

Versatility is important, too.

Perez threw 65 percent fastballs last season, which is understandable given that his average of 93 mph was sixth-best in the league. But he was no less effective with his slider, which many opponents have compared to Randy Johnson's. It has a dramatic bite that often leaves batters looking like golfers whiffing in sand traps. He also has a reliable curveball that can travel as slow as 75 mph and make for a dramatic shift in the batter's timing, plus a two-seam fastball that offers more movement than the conventional version.

He's been tinkering with a change-up, too, but hasn't mastered it yet and struggled early in the '05 season with a 6-5 mark, 6.16 ERA and 81 strikeouts in 83 innings in his first 15 starts.

If Perez attains the command he displayed last season along with his changeup, he will have great success in the future.

"It's great for us," Williams said, smiling. "It's nice for the Pittsburgh Pirates to have that guy who has all that. And make no mistake: Ollie has it all. He's got a tremendous amount of talent, something very few guys can say. He's so good that it's essentially up to him to be what he can be. If he continues to grow ... it's scary where he can go."

To get there, though, Perez will need to show that his command of 2004--the first sustained span of his career without control trouble--was no aberration.

"He's not out of the woods by any means," Williams said. "When you pitched the way he did for as long as he did, you have to stay on guard."

Perez also must invest more time analyzing batters' tendencies, those close to him say, through scouting reports and video breakdowns. He has done little of that in the past.

"What's the most impressive thing about what Oliver's done, in my mind, is that he doesn't think about who the hitter is that he's facing," Cota said. "He thinks he doesn't need to study hitters. He thinks he can just overpower them."

Cota, Perez's closest friend on the team, paused and shook his head.

"Well ... he's right, OK? He can do it without those things. But he needs to do better. He's a No. 1 pitcher now. We need him. He's going to be lined up against the other team's best pitcher most of the time. Hitters are going to learn more about him. He works hard on getting himself prepared physically, but he needs to do more of this to get even better."

Perez did not dispute Cota's assessment.

"I must continue to work hard and do more to help the team. I know that," he said. "I'm looking more at the things I did bad last year, so I don't do them again. I don't like to make mistakes."

Perez, however, is resisting the Pirates' wish to see him sacrifice strikeouts to keep his pitch count low and last longer in his starts. He pitched more than seven innings only six times in his 30 starts last season despite averaging 104.5 pitches per outing, fifth-most in the league.

Williams is urging Perez to expend less energy to record outs.

"I don't care about strikeouts. I care about zeroes every inning," Williams said. "Strikeouts are Oliver's thing, and I know that. He loves them. But, as I've told him many times, he can't strike somebody out until he gets two strikes."

Sometimes, of course, a strikeout is best, particularly when men are on base. Perez allowed batters to hit just .180 against him with runners in scoring position last season.

"There are some-pitchers who give up a couple of runs and go back to the dugout and say, 'OK, guys, pick me up.' Ollie tries to strike everybody out," Cota said. "I keep telling him, 'You can't do that.' But he does it."

For all the adjustments Perez has embraced at the Pirates' behest, he is not convinced of the need to lower the strikeout total.

"I can't change that. I don't want to change that," he said. "I have to go out there and think I'm going to strike out the batter. Sometimes, I can think about the ground ball, if I need a double play. But I think about strikeouts. I always will be like that."

CROWN JEWEL?

One advantage to being a strikeout pitcher is that people remember your name. And, as was evident last summer in Pittsburgh when his starts were drawing record walk-up crowds, people want to watch you work.

Both of which could contribute to a legacy of greatness in years to come, should Perez fulfill the enormous expectations that surround him.

Some, including Pirates general manager Dave Littlefield, are cautious when predicting Perez's future.

"Let's not forget: We were here, a year ago in spring training, all kind of scratching our heads that this talented guy is continuing to show his inconsistency," he said. "Well, this guy regrouped, got it together and had a fantastic year. Can it revert back to some degree? Sure. We've seen too many examples. My belief is that it's not going to go that way, but there's a possibility."

One National League scout called Perez "an outstanding young pitcher" but cautioned that trying to rifle each pitch through the catcher's mitt is no way to establish the longevity or effectiveness needed for greatness.

"Oliver needs to use his off-speed stuff a little more to take some pressure off his arm," the scout said. "His changeup is a good pitch. He just doesn't use it enough. He tends to take the challenge of the bigger hitters, the better hitters--Albert Pujols, Scott Rolen, those guys--and say, 'Here, see if you can hit this.' As he matures, I think he'll realize that changeup's probably going to be his best friend. My big concern about Oliver is his health in the future because there's a lot of effort in his delivery."

Others, however, already are comparing him to the most decorated left-handers in the game's history. And the numbers help their case.

Derek Jacques, contributor to the Baseball Prospectus online site, produced the following:

Perez's 2004 showing was the ninth-best by any 22-year-old left-hander since 1900, when statistics are adjusted for differences in the various eras. The top two: Frank Tanana in 1976 and Babe Ruth in 1917.

Of the six 22-year-old left-handers the Pirates have had in their 118-year history, Perez took second to Frank Killen, who went 36-14 in 1893.

Perez's strikeout pace of 10.97 per nine innings was the third-best in history among players his age--only Kerry Wood and Dwight Gooden were better--and the 22nd best since World War II when adjusted for eras.

Some of the greatest left-handers of all time--Warren Spahn, Lefty Grove, Carl Hubbell, Whitey Ford and Randy Johnson--were not even in the majors at age 22.

Ask Perez's teammates, and they tend not to hesitate in predicting greatness.

"What he did last year was pretty impressive," shortstop Jack Wilson said. "But if he can improve--and I think we all believe he can--the sky's the limit for him."

"There won't be anyone in our league who is more dominant, not with Randy Johnson pitching for the Yankees now," Fogg said. "There's nothing he can't do."

Ask the old-timers of the organization, and their answers are much the same.

"I compare Oliver to John Candelaria, and I consider Candy to be one of the best pitchers in the history of game," said Chuck Tanner, manager of the Pirates' 1979 championship team and now a scout for the Cleveland Indians. "On top of all that talent, he's a real competitor. Can he be great? Oh, yeah, why not?"

"I know he has the stuff to be great," said Bill Virdon; center fielder on the Pirates' 1960 championship team and a lifelong baseball man.

"To be able to say he's Koufax? I can't do that yet. I know Koufax, saw him for a lot of years. As Pirates, we can all root for Oliver to be that type of pitcher. And we can be realistic in doing so because he does have that type of talent."

Ask Perez, though, and the concept of greatness gives way to a discussion of improving for his next start.

"I hear about all those names ... Koufax ... Randy Johnson. I had one good year," he said. "I am having fun. I used to try to put too much pressure on myself. Not now. It's a good game. You have to enjoy it. I am going to enjoy my next game."

86-Dreamer
Aug 01 2006 02:03 PM

thanks for that article '62. Perez sounds like he has a lot of the same qualities (good and bad) of that little lefty that they traded away two years ago.

Here is a Pittsburgh columnist's views on the trade:

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/pirates/s_464212.html


"Three problems:

1. Perez's trade value has plummeted because of his mysterious decline the past two seasons. The Pirates no doubt could have gotten more for him last winter.

If Littlefield wants a dynamic hitting prospect, he's going to have to trade one of his young pitchers while that pitcher is experiencing success.

2. It was a mistake to give up on the 24-year-old Perez, who led the major leagues in strikeouts-per-nine-innings two years ago.

Sure, Ollie was touched up for eight runs in one-third of an inning in his final start at Triple-A Indianapolis. He came off as a bit of a head case, too. But as recently as mid-May he strung together three straight major-league starts in which he recorded 18 strikeouts in 20 innings and allowed only four earned runs.

3. Nady, 27, has a big swing and a bad on-base percentage.

Nady played right field in New York and was one of the reasons the Mets got off to such a good start, but Littlefield was way off-base when he referred to Nady as a "major-league proven hitter."

Nady has a .263 average and a .433 slugging percentage in 1,040 at-bats. Craig Wilson, for comparison sake, has a career slugging percentage of .486. Ty Wigginton's is .439.

Nady, who hits lefties much better than righties, might turn out to be nothing more than a platoon player."

MFS62
Aug 01 2006 02:58 PM

According to baseballreference.com, Perez' top 10 comparisons at the same age:
]Sandy Koufax (976) *
Jerry Reuss (973)
Pete Falcone (972)
John Sowders (968)
Jose Rosado (965)
Billy Pierce (963)
Tom Underwood (958)
Hal Gregg (957)
Johnny Podres (955)
Tom Glavine (955)

Some pretty decent pitchers on that list.

Later

Yancy Street Gang
Aug 01 2006 03:08 PM

Even if he only becomes a Pete Falcone, that would be okay. I just don't want him to be one of those guys whose past is already longer than his future.

Nymr83
Aug 01 2006 03:20 PM

i still like this deal. Omar "bought low" on a young hard-throwing lefty who DID have a successful season 2 years ago. Omar also "sold high" on an outfielder who before this year had shown that he was a platoon-against-lefties guy at best. he got a decent reliever in the process, who last year was the best reliever on the Mets.

The worst case scenario is that Nady continues to hit as he has hit this year (which is good but not great), Hernandez gives the Mets nothing, and Perez turns into Rick Ankiel, and Nady's replacement (Milledge/Chavez) craps out for the rest of the season. I don't think thats such a terrible downside.
The best case scenario is that Nady returns to hitting the way he did before this season so that nobody will miss him, Oliver Perez gives the Mets 5 or more years as a #3 quality starter, Roberto Hernandez adequately replaces Sanchez this year, and Nady's replacement plays better than him the rest of the way (definetaly possible for Milledge.) this is some huge upside and only 1 or 2 of these things have to come true to make the trade worthwhile.

Yancy Street Gang
Aug 01 2006 03:28 PM

Interesting take. I think I agree with your description of the worst-case. I'm less concerned about the long-term aspects of this deal than I am about how it will impact October. I think that in this coming postseason, we'd get more out of Bell and Nady than Hernandez and Milledge. But I could be wrong. Since neither Bell nor Milledge have much big league experience, it's hard to know how they'd do.

But we'll see.

I'm hoping that the Mets don't face teams with a lot of left-handed starting pitching in the playoffs. I'm far more comfortable with Endy getting outfield starts than I am with Lastings, at least at this point.

smg58
Aug 01 2006 04:39 PM

At this point, yes, but two more months of major league experience might do Milledge a world of good.

Edgy DC
Aug 01 2006 04:53 PM

It's based on completely poor prioritizing, but I always have a sharp pang of disappointment when a high-profile Met rookie gets enough PT to burn his rookie qualification but not enough to be a serious candidate for Rookie of the Year.

it's stupid, but maybe the only way to grow up and get past it is to stand up and say it. So there.

Yancy Street Gang
Aug 01 2006 04:55 PM

The Mets have done a lot of that lately, haven't they? Reyes, Wright, and now Milledge. And perhaps Pelfrey as well.

Maybe Humber will end our Rookie-of-the-Year drought next season.

Edgy DC
Aug 01 2006 05:02 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
The Mets have done a lot of that lately, haven't they?


And don't think I haven't noticed it!

Low-stakes rookies like Ty Wigginton get full seasons to make a run at the award after a September callup the previous year. High-stakes guys come up mid-summer in Metland. Recently anyhow.

Nymr83
Aug 02 2006 02:27 AM

i can think of bigger things to complain about, though certainly i'd have loved to see some ROYs around here.

RealityChuck
Aug 02 2006 09:56 AM

The Mets could rarely afford to keep a player in the minors when he was ready, even if that ruined his ROY chances.