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Edgy DC
Aug 11 2006 09:31 AM

for being a stinker."



You make the call
Is it good baseball strategy or a weak attempt to win?
by Rick Reilly


This actually happened. Your job is to decide whether it should have.

In a nine- and 10-year-old PONY league championship game in Bountiful, Utah, the Yankees lead the Red Sox by one run. The Sox are up in the bottom of the last inning, two outs, a runner on third. At the plate is the Sox' best hitter, a kid named Jordan. On deck is the Sox' worst hitter, a kid named Romney. He's a scrawny cancer survivor who has to take human growth hormone and has a shunt in his brain.

So, you're the coach: Do you intentionally walk the star hitter so you can face the kid who can barely swing?

Wait! Before you answer.... This is a league where everybody gets to bat, there's a four-runs-per-inning max, and no stealing until the ball crosses the plate. On the other hand, the stands are packed and it is the title game.

So ... do you pitch to the star or do you lay it all on the kid who's been through hell already?

Yanks coach Bob Farley decided to walk the star.

Parents booed. The umpire, Mike Wright, thought to himself, Low-ball move. In the stands, Romney's eight-year-old sister cried. "They're picking on Romney!" she said. Romney struck out. The Yanks celebrated. The Sox moaned. The two coaching staffs nearly brawled.

And Romney? He sobbed himself to sleep that night.

"It made me sick," says Romney's dad, Marlo Oaks. "It's going after the weakest chick in the flock."

Farley and his assistant coach, Shaun Farr, who recommended the walk, say they didn't know Romney was a cancer survivor. "And even if I had," insists Farr, "I'd have done the same thing. It's just good baseball strategy."

Romney's mom, Elaine, thinks Farr knew. "Romney's cancer was in the paper when he met with President Bush," she says. That was thanks to the Make-A-Wish people. "And [Farr] coached Romney in basketball. I tell all his coaches about his condition."

She has to. Because of his radiation treatments, Romney's body may not produce enough of a stress-responding hormone if he is seriously injured, so he has to quickly get a cortisone shot or it could be life-threatening. That's why he wears a helmet even in centerfield. Farr didn't notice?

The sports editor for the local Davis Clipper, Ben De Voe, ripped the Yankees' decision. "Hopefully these coaches enjoy the trophy on their mantle," De Voe wrote, "right next to their dunce caps."

Well, that turned Bountiful into Rancorful. The town was split -- with some people calling for De Voe's firing and describing Farr and Farley as "great men," while others called the coaches "pathetic human beings." They "should be tarred and feathered," one man wrote to De Voe. Blogs and letters pages howled. A state house candidate called it "shameful."

What the Yankees' coaches did was within the rules. But is it right to put winning over compassion? For that matter, does a kid who yearns to be treated like everybody else want compassion?

"What about the boy who is dyslexic -- should he get special treatment?" Blaine and Kris Smith wrote to the Clipper. "The boy who wears glasses -- should he never be struck out? ... NO! They should all play by the rules of the game."

The Yankees' coaches insisted that the Sox coach would've done the same thing. "Not only wouldn't I have," says Sox coach Keith Gulbransen, "I didn't. When their best hitter came up, I pitched to him. I especially wouldn't have done it to Romney."

Farr thinks the Sox coach is a hypocrite. He points out that all coaches put their worst fielder in rightfield and try to steal on the weakest catchers. "Isn't that strategy?" he asks. "Isn't that trying to win? Do we let the kid feel like he's a winner by having the whole league play easy on him? This isn't the Special Olympics. He's not retarded."

Me? I think what the Yanks did stinks. Strategy is fine against major leaguers, but not against a little kid with a tube in his head. Just good baseball strategy? This isn't the pros. This is: Everybody bats, one-hour games. That means it's about fun. Period.

What the Yankees' coaches did was make it about them, not the kids. It became their medal to pin on their pecs and show off at their barbecues. And if a fragile kid got stomped on the way, well, that's baseball. We see it all over the country -- the overcaffeinated coach who watches too much SportsCenter and needs to win far more than the kids, who will forget about it two Dove bars later.

By the way, the next morning, Romney woke up and decided to do something about what happened to him.

"I'm going to work on my batting," he told his dad. "Then maybe someday I'll be the one they walk."

Elster88
Aug 11 2006 09:37 AM

What is a shunt?

TransMonk
Aug 11 2006 09:41 AM

Basically a surgically created bypass to divert or allow bloodflow.

cooby
Aug 11 2006 09:42 AM

I think the coach is right. The little tyke's already working on his hitting; so he's gained from it.


A shunt is a medical tube that allows for drainage, or in this case, I guess easy access for injections

Elster88
Aug 11 2006 09:45 AM

The question is, at what age is it okay to treat it like a real game, and at what age is it still about everyone getting a chance to play and everyone being treated equally?

Putting aside that issue for a minute, I think saying that the players won't care after 2 Dove bars is completely unrealistic----and Reilly makes silly statements like that all the time. The kids want to win too. (At least I did when I was 9. And I did when I was 6.)

seawolf17
Aug 11 2006 09:47 AM

That sucks. That coach sucks. What a dick. I hope cancer karma kicks him square in the nuts.

I spent four years as a Little League umpire when I was in high school, and I was stunned on a regular basis by the shit parents pulled. One coach walked out to the mound to "talk to his pitcher," but stopped halfway there and called me and my partner over... then proceeded to bitch us out, at full volume, as though he were Billy Martin in the seventh game of the World Series. I would have thrown him out of the game if I could have, but that only would have encouraged him... so I just glanced at my partner, then turned around and walked back out to the field; he went back behind the plate, and left the guy standing there like an ass. Dick.

Edgy DC
Aug 11 2006 09:57 AM
Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Aug 11 2006 10:33 AM

The kid's heart broke, he made an adjustment, and what didn't kill him made him stronger. That's great. But it could have easily gone the other way, and been a disastrous moment. Amateurs with a mixed agenda are placed in the middle of a crisis of child development

I never intentionally walked a kid. My dad was a great coach, and I'm certain he never did either. I doubt he knew the oppositoin well enough to know which hitters could consistently beat him, but his coach Howie Rubenstein did.

It's the distinction between being a coach and being a manager. Managing is about strategy. Coaching is about teaching. A teachable moment would've been to go after the slugger and turn it into a manageable crisis for your own player.

ScarletKnight41
Aug 11 2006 09:59 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 11 2006 10:02 AM

We've played our share of Little League games these last few years. My husband has managed MK's teams, and he's great with the kids. His ego is not dependent on the kids' W-L record, he takes pains to make sure that the kids got as close to equal playing time as mathematically possible, and he always made the kids feel good about their efforts even after losses.

All that said, I cannot disagree with the decision to walk the stronger hitter in order to face the weaker one. Why should the little kid on the mound have to deal with giving up a big hit if he has an easier option? It's no fun for a 10-year-old pitcher to give up a bunch of hits.

Besides, Romney has the proper attitude about things -

]By the way, the next morning, Romney woke up and decided to do something about what happened to him.

"I'm going to work on my batting," he told his dad. "Then maybe someday I'll be the one they walk."


I think it's great that the child has the opportunity to participate in organized baseball, but that doesn't mean that his participation should turn this into a noncompetitive league. Every member of the team should do his best to be the best player possible - that's the whole point of playing competitive ball.

cooby
Aug 11 2006 10:00 AM

Amen, sister

TransMonk
Aug 11 2006 10:00 AM

Why did the coach of the losing team have the cancer survivor hitting in the lineup right after the teams best hitter?

He should be fired.

Edgy DC
Aug 11 2006 10:03 AM

There's that. I thought of htat.

Same thing happened in Bad News Bears. Rudy Stein leans into a pitch because Ogletree is up next "and he's been murdering the ball recently."

What's Stein doing batting between Kelly Leak and Olgetree?

In seriousness, I imagine he was subbed in for a stronger hitter.

Diamond Dad
Aug 11 2006 10:30 AM
strategy

Context dictates actions. Last year, I had a kid on my son's team who was physically disabled -- lack of muscle development in his legs made it very hard for him to move quickly or run. took him 30 seconds to run from home to first. His parents had a great attitude about him playing baseball just for the fun of it, and he had a great attitude also. The rest of the kids cheered for him and helped him out. It was a great experience for everyone. That was a league of 8 year olds where we didn't keep score, there were no "wins" or "losses" and there was no champion. It was strictly for fun and development. No question that you pitch to everyone.

This year, MK moved up to the next level. Now the kids are pitching, umpires are calling balls and strikes, there is a winner and loser of each game, and there are standings kept, and playoffs at the end of the season, which culminates in a championship game. During the "regular season" I would never intentionally walk a batter. Let the pitcher face the peril and see what he can do. Let the defense try to make the out. Winning that game is not critical. Same applies for giving different kids a chance to pitch, rotating players around defensively, etc.

But, once you start the "playoffs" and winning/losing becomes more important, the manager acts differently. You try to put your "best" defense on the field whenever possible, and you organize your batting order to try to maximize your chances of scoring runs (weaker hitters hit at the end of the order). In that context, intentionally walking a strong hitter to get to a weaker hitter (regardless of why he's a weaker hitter) may be a good call, and not poor sportsmanship.

Same applies (as pointed out) to a third base coach sending a runner home against a weak-throwing outfielder, or a coach telling a runner on first base to steal second against a weak-throwing catcher. You don't let up and "take it easy" on the other team in the playoffs because you don't want to hurt the feelings of the weak player who will feel bad. (If you're up 15-0, you stop running, but if it's a close game, you don't.)

If the kid with cancer is playing at this level, he has to expect to be treated the same as everyone else. Parents should expect the same. He doesn't automatically get to win just because he has cancer.

So -- the physically disabled kid I had last year? this year he and his parents decided to keep him back in the 8-year-old league, even though he's now 9. He played in the "just for fun" environment, and I'm sure enjoyed it. He did not move up into the more competetive league. Good choice.

DD

Edgy DC
Aug 11 2006 10:40 AM

There's nothing automatic about getting to win when you pitch to the better hitter.

If five-run innings and benching weak players are outlawed, so should intentinoal walks. Bend your back, throw strikes, and focus on the catcher's mitt, don't be cute. That's what you tell a nine-ten-year-old pitcher.

I don't think he's a dick or a monster. He had a tough call. I just think he made the wrong one. For his players as much as anyone.

ScarletKnight41
Aug 11 2006 10:44 AM

Edgy DC wrote:


If five-run innings and benching weak players are outlawed, so should intentinoal walks.


If you want to start a league and make that the rule, I'm down with that.

But in a league where intentional walks are permitted, you can't decide that you can intentionally walk some kids and not others.

HahnSolo
Aug 11 2006 10:47 AM

The only thing I can say on behalf of the Yanks coach is that parents can be hell. Mr and Mrs Yank want little Jeffy Yank to win a championship, so they'll give their coach grief if they lose because the coach pitched to the opposition's best player. And you know what, his kids wanted to win too.

On the whole, though, I think it's a bush move.

Incidentally, my little league didn't allow intentional walks, up until you got to age 13.

Edgy DC
Aug 11 2006 10:49 AM

Well, I would (and did) self-apply the rule. (That age-level also.) And no pitcher I chatted on the mound with ever asked me if he shouldn't be walking a guy instead of pitching to him, nor did I catch any of them doing it on their own.

It seemed to be their instinct to go after the good hitters.

sharpie
Aug 11 2006 11:19 AM

I've coached for 5 years and in that time I've called an intentional walk only once. It was a game we were getting blown out in and the next hitter was no cancer survivor. Hard to legislate the "no intentional walk" rule. "Don't give him anything to hit"means the same thing to a kid pitcher.

Diamond Dad
Aug 11 2006 11:21 AM
9 year olds

I managed MK's all-star team this summer (9-year-olds). In one game, the other team had a huge kid -- had to be 5'6" and weighed 150. First time up, he hit a shot over the center fielder's head and one-hop off the fence. Next time up, we were ahead 1 run and there was a runner at third base with two outs. My pitcher walked the kid on 4 pitches. I didn't tell him anything -- on his own he was very, very careful not to give the big kid anything good to hit. We went on to win the game, which was our team's only win in the tournament. My kids were very, very happy to get that win. They would have felt terrible if they had gone winless.

Even at 9-years old, there are tough choices. If that kid had come up again in the last inning with the game on the line and a base open, I would have felt that getting my team a "win" that they could feel good about was more important than having my pitcher face the challenge of pitching to their best hitter. It's a team game. If the next hitter is weaker, then the strategy is legitimate.

but that is all-stars, where the kids sign up specifically to play in post-season competitive tournaments. So, you could argue that it's different.

-- one last thought here . . . remember the great story from last year about the basketball player from Rochester who was disabled (I forget exactly his physical/mental issue) who was the team manager and they let him into the final game of the season and he scored 20 points. it was all over the news, and I think he won the ESPY award for best sports story of the year. It's not like the other team laid down and let him score -- they were trying to win the game, and the disabled kid scored anyway. That's what made it so special.

If the pony league manager walks the "good" hitter to get to the kid with cancer, and then cancer boy gets a hit and wins the game for his team -- that's a great story. Sure, it didn't happen this time, but sometimes it does.

Centerfield
Aug 11 2006 11:21 AM

I've gone over this a few times, and I think there is no one "right" answer. Like Diamond Dad says, it depends on the context. None of us have any idea how competitive that Pony League is...though, because it is for 9-10 year olds, and has a 4 run per inning max, it sounds like it's more of a "for fun" league than a competitive one. And if that is the case, that coach's move seems pretty bush league.

But it could also be a situation where that Pony League has developed into an extremely competitive one. The question they should be asking, is whether intentional walks are routinely given when a cancer survivor isn't involved. In that league, is it common for a hitter to be intentionally walked to face a weaker hitter? If that's the case, then I agree with the move. Those coaches should not change the way they coach because of a kid's special situation. However, if intentional walks are not common, and they decided to do it because of the kid's special situation, then those coaches are creeps and should be fired.

The coach does himself no favors by coming across as extremely unsympathetic. And his justification of the move is weak. Placing your worst fielder in RF or running on a weak catcher isn't the same as an intentional walk. There is no bigger insult in sports than intentionally walking the batter in front of you. Even major leaguers take it personally. (No major leaguer ever gets upset over being placed in RF). The move is what it is. Trying to minimize it only undermines his credibility.

For what it's worth, when I was a kid, there were two leagues for kids aged 9-12. One was a "for fun" league in the morning. The other was a more competitive league in the evenings. Those of us with baseball in our blood played in both. I never saw one intentional walk in my years playing, or when my brother played.

Centerfield
Aug 11 2006 11:30 AM

By the way, the article doesn't make mention of it, but the real bush league move was when the Yanks signed all the best players from the other Pony League teams by paying them more money.

Centerfield
Aug 11 2006 11:34 AM
Re: 9 year olds

By the way, this part amazes me, and it shows how much the game has changed:

Diamond Dad wrote:
My pitcher walked the kid on 4 pitches. I didn't tell him anything -- on his own he was very, very careful not to give the big kid anything good to hit.


When I was nine years old, any pitcher trying to "pitch carefully" would have immediately thrown it to the backstop. Our pitchers had one strategy: "Throw it over the plate as often as you can."

Edgy DC
Aug 11 2006 11:38 AM

]remember the great story from last year about the basketball player from Rochester who was disabled (I forget exactly his physical/mental issue)


He was autistic. He was a high school senior, and the team manager thrown in for the last two or three minutes of a blowout, and not debiliatated by a painful life-threatening ailment, so he was far less vulnerable.

Mr. Zero
Aug 11 2006 12:02 PM

I happen to live in a fairly politically correct neck of the woods and there is generally a laid back approach to baseball in the local Cal Ripken League. 7-8 year olds play games where coaches pitch, no scores are kept, though the kids always seem to know who won.

Up another notch is 9-10. Kids are starting to pitch and more competitive elements are introduced. All skill levels are, of course, welcome and for those so inclined there is stronger competition via traveling all star teams. The next level, 11-12 year olds, is almost real baseball, except all kids have to bat and all kids have to rotate onto defense and can not sit more than two innings in a game, nor two consecutive innings.

My kid played in the 11-12 league this year. The coaches played to win, yet they never stuck the weakest players in right field on a regular basis (unless for their own protection). That batting orders were generally mixed up (you should have seen the smile and confidence in my kids face the day he went from 13th to 2nd in the batting order—even if it was just for a day). The defense on the bottom of the 6th in a close game would be a round up of who has or hasn’t played. Although I never saw an intentional walk, I could almost imagine it happening at this level, though I don’t think anyone would dare.

An intentional walk at the 9-10 level its pretty pathetic and, in my opinion, weak coaching judgement, especially in a league with run and time limits—seriously, how competitive can it be? The coach is obviously a dick. I’d also mention the questionable strategy considering the amount of walks that can easily pile up in a game at this level. Plus, shouldn’t slugger be allowed to get his swings in? But what do we expect, afterall, the team was called the Yankees!

By the way, my kid’s 11-12 year old team came in first and won the championship (OK, I know, too perfect, but I still need to brag about it).

Happy Tom Seaver Post Day!

Elster88
Aug 11 2006 12:04 PM

HAIL

Edgy DC
Aug 11 2006 12:25 PM

averting eyes

ScarletKnight41
Aug 11 2006 01:42 PM

Hail

Gwreck
Aug 11 2006 08:14 PM

The answer to that dilemma is to not play championship games in that sort of league. Keeping score in an individual game might be OK but there's no sense having a postseason.

Willets Point
Aug 12 2006 09:48 PM

For some reason I thought the kicker of this story was that the kid grew up to be governor of Massachusetts and is now planning a run for President.

Edgy DC
Aug 24 2006 04:37 PM

Mr. Zero has been sitting at Seaver for two weeks.

Yancy Street Gang
Aug 24 2006 04:41 PM

He probably didn't want to lose his giant avatar and created a new user ID.

Maybe he's Mastergiza.

And Paul Lo Duca.

(This is so confusing!)

Mr. Zero
Sep 08 2006 10:49 AM

Sorry dudes, I've been away, luxuriating in my Seaverness.

An interesting aside to this discussion:

[url=http://www.ethicsscoreboard.com/list/littleleague2.html]Little League ethics[/url]

Kindly disregard if this is ye olde news.


And I wanted to make my Ron Hodges post extra special.

Yancy Street Gang
Sep 08 2006 10:57 AM

Don't expect hail for Ron Hodges.

Willets Point
Sep 08 2006 11:00 AM

="Yancy Street Gang"]Don't expect hail for Ron Hodges.




There's just no love for geeky English accounting professors.

Yancy Street Gang
Sep 08 2006 11:12 AM

Geeky? That guy would reach down your throat, pull your heart out, and show it to you before you die.

seawolf17
Sep 08 2006 11:14 AM

Hey, Ron! Long time no see.

Willets Point
Sep 08 2006 11:16 AM

="Yancy Street Gang"]Geeky? That guy would reach down your throat, pull your heart out, and show it to you before you die.




I'm sure he appreciates your recognition of his special powers. Now hail him damnit!

Mr. Zero
Sep 15 2006 09:48 AM

another Coach of the Year candidate:

from the Ottawa Citizen:

]A youth coach accused of offering an eight-year-old $25 to bean an autistic teammate so he couldn't play was convicted yesterday in Uniontown, Pennsylvania, of two lesser charges against him. A jury convicted Mark R. Downs Jr., 29, of corruption of minors and criminal solicitation to commit simple assault. Downs was acquitted of criminal solicitation to commit aggravated assault, and jurors said they were deadlocked on a charge of reckless endangerment. The judge declared a mistrial on that charge. Authorities said Downs offered to pay one of his players to hit a nine-year-old autistic teammate with a ball while warming up before a playoff game in June 2005. A player testified that, on Downs' instructions, he purposely threw a ball that hit the mildly autistic and mildly mentally disabled boy in the groin, then threw another ball that hit the boy in the ear. Under state sentencing guidelines, Downs likely faces only probation when he's sentenced Oct. 12 because he is not known to have a criminal record.