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BLC: The Monkees vs Red Hot Chili Peppers

Vic Sage Aug 03 2006 02:34 PM Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Aug 03 2006 04:04 PM

I have very fond memories of watching the Monkees TV show on saturday mornings as a child. Their infectious songs led me to their albums (vinyl, that is!), and what i found was the funny, energetic, likeable "pre-fab four" playing music by some of the best songwriters of the period (including Boyce and Hart, King and Goffin, Mann and Weil, Neil Diamond, and Chip Douglas), produced by the top producers (Don Kirschner) and backed by top studio musicians (Glen Campbell, Leon Russell) Mike Nesmith (the hat with the brain, on lead guitar) developed into a pretty good songwriter in his own right, and his voice was perfect for his brand of tuneful, pioneering country-rock. Micky Dolenz (the loopy, wildboy drummer, with a touch of the avante-garde) had a solid "rock and roll" voice, and developed into a decent drummer. Davy Jones (the cute little English heart throb) was basically a musical theater actor, but adequately handled the lead vocals for some of the more syrrupy pop tunes and ballads (and he played a mean tambourine). Peter Tork (the spiritual, child-like innocent, ie, the stupid one) was a good folk musician (one of the original Buffalo Springfield) and gave the group a legit musical presence. The Monkees may have started out as a fictitious group assembled for a TV series, but they evolved into a real band, with some of the most memorable songs of the 60s. They put out 5 albums, plus the HEAD movie soundtrack, from 1966 thru 1968. But, by that point, their show had been cancelled after 2 seasons, they'd left producer Don Kirshner, their movie bombed, and Peter Tork left the group. So, my list consists of songs from their 5 studio albums from 1966-68, in chronological order: 1) The Monkees (66) - "(Theme From) The Monkees" - The unforgettable theme song from their TV series is the obvious choice for the first song on this list, but i've decided not to use it out of shear perversity. Instead, I'll start with: 1. "Last Train To Clarksville" - Their first hit, written by Boyce and Hart, has one of the best opening guitar riffs in rock history. 2. "Take A Giant Step" - this semi-psychedelic song by Carole King features oboe, harpsichord, and glockenspiel. other notable songs: - I Wanna Be Free - Papa Gene's Blues 2) More of the Monkees (67) 3. "I'm A Believer" - A #1 smash hit, written by Neil Diamond. One of the best hit songs from the sixties, period. 4. "(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone" - A socially conscious song by Boyce & Hart, with a scorching lead vocal by Micky. other notable songs on this album: -"She" 3) Monkee Headquarters (67) [1st album where they played their own instruments, its also their best] 5. "You Told Me" - This is a classic Nesmith song that features some great banjo playing from Tork. 6. "You Just May Be The One" - Another one of Mike's excellent country-rock songs. 7. "For Pete's Sake" - Written by Peter, it was used for the end credits in season 2 of the TV show. other notable songs on this album: -"The Girl I Knew Somewhere" - "Randy Scouse Git" - "Shades of Gray" - "Forget That Girl" Also, around this time, they released the excellent "A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You" as a single, but it didn't show up on any album until the "best of" compilations started later. 4) Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones, LTD (1967) 8. "Pleasant Valley Sunday" - Gerry Goffin and Carole King's condemnation of suburbia sounds celebratory when performed by the Monkees. other notable songs on this album: - "Words" - "What Am I Doin' Hangin Round?" 5) The Birds, The Bees, and the Monkees (1968) [last studio album with Peter Tork] 9. "Daydream Believer" - Davy Jones manages to make sense of nonsensical lyrics. It's the best song he ever performed with the group. 10. "Valleri" - One if their kick-assingist tunes with great guitar riffs, and an appropriate place to end. ---------- LIST: 1)"Last Train To Clarksville" 2)"Take A Giant Step" 3)"I'm A Believer" 4)"(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone" 5)"You Told Me" 6)"You Just May Be The One" 7)"For Pete's Sake" 8)"Pleasant Valley Sunday" 9)"Daydream Believer" 10)"Valleri"

cooby Aug 03 2006 02:38 PM

Wow...my favorite list ever, and that includes all of mine

metirish Aug 03 2006 02:41 PM

I have to say when I saw the Monkees were going to join the fun I was skeptical but that's a great list, I guess I just forgot what great somgs they have.

seawolf17 Aug 03 2006 02:57 PM

Bring it, Vaguely Fake TV Band. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vJPdX6K95g]Love Rollercoaster[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7413IhSHQlU]Under The Bridge[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1SR3Ff7DN4]Suck My Kiss[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS3hEuAbuLE]Higher Ground[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56cW66dGamY]Give It Away[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIAVyAmN7tY]By The Way[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsY1TLPD4Is]Can't Stop[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxvCUgl0DyY]Soul To Squeeze[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOCzARvDHDc]My Friends[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJA15-u2cqA]Dani California[/url] The Chili Peppers have done of the truly great music videos of our time. Just missing the list are "Aeroplane" and "Californication," among others.

Edgy DC Aug 03 2006 03:05 PM

Going without "The Theme from the Monkees" and "A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You" is all guts. All guts.

cooby Aug 03 2006 03:11 PM

One of my very first death threats ever was when I drew faces on my sisters's Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones

sharpie Aug 03 2006 03:15 PM

"The Monkees", when it was first on, was telecast opposite "Lost in Space." Pretty much everyone (including me) defected from what the was then tired "Lost in Space" to watch the groovy "Monkees" -- except for my best friend at the time, Teddy. The disloyalty of those around him toward "Lost in Space" was a source of great disappointment to poor Teddy.

cooby Aug 03 2006 03:16 PM

I seem to recall it being on Monday nights for a spell, opposite Gilligan's Island, too.

Vic Sage Aug 03 2006 03:47 PM

i was 6 when the show originally aired, and i don't remember it in its first incarnation. I became a fan a few years later, watching the show in reruns on Saturday mornings. Edgy... no guts, no glory.

Willets Point Aug 03 2006 03:50 PM

Before the pics go up I just want to point out that one band has a member who wears a sock cap while the other band wears socks on their members. How's that for a contrast?

Edgy DC Aug 03 2006 03:55 PM

Norrin, the lesser-known tracks could use some links. If you can find some, that'd be groovy. Modestly related interesting facts today. Two bands that are pure Hollywood, both featuring former child actors, and round ten features both bands putting forth a song about a girl whose name ends in "i." vs. "Last Train To Clarksville" vs. "[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vJPdX6K95g]Love Rollercoaster[/url]" "Take A Giant Step" vs. "[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7413IhSHQlU]Under The Bridge[/url]" "I'm A Believer" vs. "[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1SR3Ff7DN4]Suck My Kiss[/url]" "(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone" vs. "[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS3hEuAbuLE]Higher Ground[/url]" "You Told Me" vs. "[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56cW66dGamY]Give It Away[/url]" "You Just May Be The One" vs. "[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIAVyAmN7tY]By The Way[/url]" "For Pete's Sake" vs. "[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsY1TLPD4Is]Can't Stop[/url]" "Pleasant Valley Sunday" vs. "[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxvCUgl0DyY]Soul To Squeeze[/url]" "Daydream Believer" vs. "[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOCzARvDHDc]My Friends[/url]" "Valleri" vs. "[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJA15-u2cqA]Dani California[/url]" Interesting Fact: The film Head was originally called Untitled. It was given its ultimate title so that, if a sequel was made, said sequel could be advertised as "From the people that gave you Head." Interesting Fact: A friend of mine --- bleach blonde rock chick --- interviewed the Chili Peppers for her college paper. They got a look at her and immediately put on their horny-boy act. After a pair of introductory questions, the interview took this turn. The transcript too this turn: Red Hot Chili Pepper: Can I ask you a question? Rock Chick: Well, I have a few to get to, but, yeah, shoot. RHCP: What do you think of oral sex? (snicker) RC: Well, I prefer getting it to giving it. RHCP: (Snicker) Well, that can be arranged? RC: Not with you, it can't. RHCP: OK, well, let's get on with the interview. RC: Actually, I think I have everything I need. Thanks.

Vic Sage Aug 03 2006 03:58 PM

where do i find free links to Monkees songs?

Edgy DC Aug 03 2006 03:59 PM

Start at Amazon.com. They'll only be 30-second clips, but it's a start.

Vic Sage Aug 03 2006 04:08 PM

here's a link to Amazon's snippets of Monkees songs: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000032HE/sr=1-24/qid=1154635577/ref=sr_1_24/103-8505139-6190212?ie=UTF8&s=music

cooby Aug 03 2006 04:17 PM

I think anybody who has ever watched the show will be able to recognize about any of those songs even from the short clips. And visualize the "videos" that go with them!

Edgy DC Aug 03 2006 04:21 PM

2, 5, and 7 are unfamiliar from the title, but I imagine I'll know them from the clips. Is "For Pete's Sake" the closing credits song that goes: In this generation, In this lovin' time, In this generation, We will make the world shine. We were born to love one another This is something we all need....

cooby Aug 03 2006 04:24 PM

yep

Edgy DC Aug 03 2006 04:26 PM

Good song. Cool that it's original.

TransMonk Aug 03 2006 04:50 PM

"Last Train To Clarksville" vs. "Love Rollercoaster" "Take A Giant Step" vs. "Under The Bridge" "I'm A Believer" vs. "Suck My Kiss" TIE "(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone" vs. "Higher Ground" "You Told Me" vs. "Give It Away" "You Just May Be The One" vs. "By The Way" "For Pete's Sake" vs. "Can't Stop" "Pleasant Valley Sunday" vs. "Soul To Squeeze" "Daydream Believer" vs. "My Friends" "Valleri" vs. "Dani California" TIE The Monkees tie the Red Hot Chili Peppers 5-5. On edit: The Red Hot Chili Peppers may be the only band in the history of Rock and Roll to make better music off of drugs than on them. I'll take Mother's Milk and Blood Sugar Sex Magic...eveything else is kind of blah.

Willets Point Aug 03 2006 05:25 PM

"Last Train To Clarksville" vs. "Love Rollercoaster" The Monkees -- There are just way too many covers of "Love Rollercoaster" (and none do it justice), should have gone with "Aeroplane". "Take A Giant Step" vs. "Under The Bridge" Red Hot Chili Peppers "I'm A Believer" vs. "Suck My Kiss" Red Hot Chili Peppers "(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone" vs. "Higher Ground" Red Hot Chili Peppers "You Told Me" vs. "Give It Away" The Monkees -- Can't stand "Give it Away", Monkees win by default. "You Just May Be The One" vs. "By The Way" Red Hot Chili Peppers "For Pete's Sake" vs. "Can't Stop" Red Hot Chili Peppers "Pleasant Valley Sunday" vs. "Soul To Squeeze" The Monkees "Daydream Believer" vs. "My Friends" The Monkees "Valleri" vs. "Dani California" Red Hot Chili Peppers The Monkees 4:6 Red Hot Chili Peppers

Rockin' Doc Aug 03 2006 07:28 PM

"Last Train To Clarksville" vs. "Love Rollercoaster" - The Monkees "Take A Giant Step" vs. "Under The Bridge" - Red Hot Chili Peppers "I'm A Believer" vs. "Suck My Kiss" - The Monkees "(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone" vs. "Higher Ground" - Red Hot Chili Peppers "You Told Me" vs. "Give It Away" - Tie "You Just May Be The One" vs. "By The Way" - Red Hot Chili Peppers "For Pete's Sake" vs. "Can't Stop" - Red Hot Chili Peppers "Pleasant Valley Sunday" vs. "Soul To Squeeze" - Red Hot Chili Peppers "Daydream Believer" vs. "My Friends" - The Monkees "Valleri" vs. "Dani California" - Red Hot Chili Peppers The Red Hot Chili Peppers burn the Monkees for a 6.5 - 3.5 win.

metirish Aug 03 2006 07:51 PM

"Last Train To Clarksville" vs. "Love Rollercoaster" - The Monkees "Take A Giant Step" vs. "Under The Bridge" - Red Hot Chili Peppers "I'm A Believer" vs. "Suck My Kiss" - The Monkees "(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone" vs. "Higher Ground" - Red Hot Chili Peppers "You Told Me" vs. "Give It Away" - Red Hot Chili Peppers "You Just May Be The One" vs. "By The Way" - Red Hot Chili Peppers "For Pete's Sake" vs. "Can't Stop" -The Monkees "Pleasant Valley Sunday" vs. "Soul To Squeeze" - Red Hot Chili Peppers "Daydream Believer" vs. "My Friends" - The Monkees "Valleri" vs. "Dani California" - The Monkees 5 to 5 tie...great BLC.

soupcan Aug 03 2006 10:57 PM

"Last Train To Clarksville" vs. "Love Rollercoaster" THE MONKEES "Take A Giant Step" vs. "Under The Bridge" RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS "I'm A Believer" vs. "Suck My Kiss" RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS "(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone" vs. "Higher Ground" RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS "You Told Me" vs. "Give It Away" RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS "You Just May Be The One" vs. "By The Way" RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS "For Pete's Sake" vs. "Can't Stop" RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS "Pleasant Valley Sunday" vs. "Soul To Squeeze" RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS "Daydream Believer" vs. "My Friends" THE MONKEES "Valleri" vs. "Dani California" RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS - 8 / THE MONKEES - 2

HahnSolo Aug 04 2006 08:28 AM

Imagine if Marcia Brady was the president of the Flea fan club. "Last Train To Clarksville" vs. "Love Rollercoaster" THE MONKEES "Take A Giant Step" vs. "Under The Bridge" RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS "I'm A Believer" vs. "Suck My Kiss" THE MONKEES "(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone" vs. "Higher Ground" THE MONKEES "You Told Me" vs. "Give It Away" RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS "You Just May Be The One" vs. "By The Way" RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS "For Pete's Sake" vs. "Can't Stop" THE MONKEES "Pleasant Valley Sunday" vs. "Soul To Squeeze" RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS "Daydream Believer" vs. "My Friends" THE MONKEES "Valleri" vs. "Dani California" RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS It all works out to a 5-5 tie.

cooby Aug 04 2006 08:43 AM

"Last Train To Clarksville" vs. "Love Rollercoaster" Monkees "Take A Giant Step" vs. "Under The Bridge" Monkees "I'm A Believer" vs. "Suck My Kiss" Monkees "(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone" vs. "Higher Ground" Monkees "You Told Me" vs. "Give It Away" Monkees "You Just May Be The One" vs. "By The Way" Monkees "For Pete's Sake" vs. "Can't Stop" Monkees "Pleasant Valley Sunday" vs. "Soul To Squeeze" Monkees "Daydream Believer" vs. "My Friends" Monkees "Valleri" vs. "Dani California" Monkees (My very favorite Monkees song) 10-0 Monkees

seawolf17 Aug 04 2006 08:47 AM

I guess I should cancel out Coob. "Last Train To Clarksville" vs. "Love Rollercoaster" Chili Peppers "Take A Giant Step" vs. "Under The Bridge" Chili Peppers "I'm A Believer" vs. "Suck My Kiss" Chili Peppers "(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone" vs. "Higher Ground" Chili Peppers "You Told Me" vs. "Give It Away" Chili Peppers "You Just May Be The One" vs. "By The Way" Chili Peppers "For Pete's Sake" vs. "Can't Stop" Chili Peppers "Pleasant Valley Sunday" vs. "Soul To Squeeze" Chili Peppers "Daydream Believer" vs. "My Friends" Chili Peppers "Valleri" vs. "Dani California" Chili Peppers It's the freaking Monkees. 10-0 Chili Peppers.

cooby Aug 04 2006 08:50 AM

Now, now, I didn't vote 10-0 against the RHCP, I happen to like them. But I like all those Monkees songs better than the RHCP songs. No fair to assume I voted all Monkees for any other reason

Edgy DC Aug 04 2006 09:00 AM

]"(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone" vs. "Higher Ground" As evenly matched as any contest in the BLC ever.

sharpie Aug 04 2006 09:10 AM

"Last Train To Clarksville" vs. "Love Rollercoaster" MONKEES "Take A Giant Step" vs. "Under The Bridge" RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS "I'm A Believer" vs. "Suck My Kiss" MONKEES "(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone" vs. "Higher Ground" MONKEES "You Told Me" vs. "Give It Away" TIE "You Just May Be The One" vs. "By The Way" MONKEES "For Pete's Sake" vs. "Can't Stop" MONKEES "Pleasant Valley Sunday" vs. "Soul To Squeeze" MONKEES "Daydream Believer" vs. "My Friends" RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS "Valleri" vs. "Dani California" TIE MONKEES 7 RHCP 3

soupcan Aug 04 2006 09:28 AM

="seawolf17"]It's the freaking Monkees Thank you!

Edgy DC Aug 04 2006 10:07 AM

seawolf17 wrote: It's the freaking Monkees. Let go off the brand associations and judge by the music. People who were able to do that with the Monkees, and appreciated them: Frank Zappa John Lennon George Harrison All the Beatles, really Stephen Stills (Peter Tork's former roommate) The Sex Pistols Paul Mazursky Jack Nicholson Billy Preston

soupcan Aug 04 2006 10:53 AM

The music may be nice and bouncy but c'mon. It was a TV show, these guys were actors who didn't even play instruments when the series started. It's like throwing The Partridge Family up there.

Edgy DC Aug 04 2006 11:03 AM

]It was a TV show, these guys were actors who didn't even play instruments when the series started. Yes, they did. ]It's like throwing The Partridge Family up there. But also very different. They may have had nobody who could play like Flea, but they had three or maybe four guys who sang better than Antony Kiedis. The Beach Boys were also guys who started off as a vocal group but became a band. They deserve credit for that. The Peppers started off as a goof that was supposed to last for one show.

Willets Point Aug 04 2006 11:09 AM

I enjoyed the video for "Dani California". A nice tribute to Rock & Roll History.

soupcan Aug 04 2006 12:12 PM

Edgy DC wrote: ] It was a TV show, these guys were actors who didn't even play instruments when the series started. Yes, they did.. Are you sure about that? I distinctly remember reading many stories/interviews with Dolenz, Jones and the other dude whose mom did not invent white-out (Tork?) when they were doing their country-wide tour about 15 years ago or so, wherein they said over and over again that they did not play the instruments on the songs/records/shows because they did not know how. It wasn't until later on that they decided to learn how. However the Peppers started, they were a band at the beginning and The Beach Boys also did not start out as a sitcom. Edgy DC wrote: ]It's like throwing The Partridge Family up there. But also very different. How are The Monkees different than The Partrdige Family?

Willets Point Aug 04 2006 12:16 PM

="soupcan"] How are The Monkees different than The Partrdige Family? Monkeys are mammals, partridges are birds. Monkeys can flip out and kill people. There's no impication of blood relationship in the Monkees. The Monkees suck less. However, the sex symbol for The Partridge Family is Susan Dey: The Monkees can only counter with Davy Jones:

Edgy DC Aug 04 2006 12:28 PM

Yes, I"m sure. All the Monkees came to the show with some intsturmental abilities, with Tork and Nesmith the most skilled, but had to fight music director on the show Don Kischner for the right to play. By thre third album, their collective insistence ended the prohibitionagainst them playing on the records, and eroded his creative control, but they had already toured as a performing band at that point, again against Kirschner's will. You can get the full story at the Monkees wikipedia entry. That finger-in-the-mouth thing is hot, but the correct mano-a-mano matchup for Davey Jones is David Cassidy.

cooby Aug 04 2006 12:50 PM

Ew. Anyway that Davy Jones sucking his finger stuff always kinda bothered me...

Vic Sage Aug 04 2006 12:54 PM

Soupy, don't get me mad. You wouldn't like me when I'm mad. Yes, the Monkees were a pre-fab commercial confection created to cash in on the pop culture of the day. thats a given. But if you move beyond the nature of their inception, you can get to the music... music that has stayed around for 40 years. I doubt very much anybody will be talking about the RHCP in 40 years, much less have their music still viewed as an influential component of the music scene. As for their musicianship, Nesmith and Tork were professionals before signing up for the TV gig. Jones and Dolenz were actors with musical performance training, and Dolenz learned to become a decent drummer over the course of the show, but he was a good vocalist from the beginning. Don Kirschner did not ALLOW them to play instruments on their first 2 albums, which pissed the guys off. They did, however, play on their 3rd album, MONKEES HEADQUARTERS, which not coincidentally was their best album ever. Oh, and during this period, too, Nesmith was writing many of their best songs. Sick of being treated like a commodity, the boys destroyed their own public personas by making HEAD, a trippy deconstruction that (although a flop) was a gutsy nose-thumbing at the establishment that created them. They forced Kirshner out and they went on to create even more surreal songs, like "the porpoise song". The put out 8 original albums overall, and while the quality declined precipitously in the 70s, they were a musical entity creating new work, independent of any tv show or corporate commercial interests. As for the PARTRIDGE FAMILY... well, first of all don't knock the Partridge Family. But basically, David Cassidy was the only musician in the group, and only barely, and they made family-friendly pop tunes in an era of teen rebellion, not amusing, slightly angsty, acidy, country-jazz-rock fusion pop ditties. And the group pretty much ceased to exist when the show ended. So yeah, a big difference. Look, if you don't like the songs, you don't like the songs. But they're musical legacy is significant and is treated with appreciation by many other great musicians. And they were ballsy guys, committed to transcending their banal conception.

Edgy DC Aug 04 2006 01:23 PM

Word. Although Shirley Jones also sang on the Partridge Family records --- too great a great set of pipes to waste, even if all she got to do was go "Bah-baah, b-bah-Baah!"

sharpie Aug 04 2006 01:36 PM

More word. Vic, vote.

seawolf17 Aug 04 2006 01:38 PM

cooby wrote: Now, now, I didn't vote 10-0 against the RHCP, I happen to like them. But I like all those Monkees songs better than the RHCP songs. No fair to assume I voted all Monkees for any other reason I assumed nothing, and I have no ill will towards any of the Monkees. I just don't think they belong anywhere near the top (insert any number here) bands of all time.

Willets Point Aug 04 2006 01:46 PM

Susan Dey is much hotter.

soupcan Aug 04 2006 02:35 PM

="Vic Sage"]Soupy, don't get me mad. You wouldn't like me when I'm mad. Please. You're probably a big old teddy bear. A big old sweaty teddy bear, but still.. ="Vic Sage"]Look, if you don't like the songs, you don't like the songs. But they're musical legacy is significant and is treated with appreciation by many other great musicians. And they were ballsy guys, committed to transcending their banal conception. I never said I didn't like The Monkees music. I do like it in fact. My point was that I don't think that a made-for-TV band should carry as much weight as a 'real' band. However now that you have given me a written history on their evolution I suppose I will acquiesce and say okay they are/were a 'real' band at some point and thus can be a legitimate challenger. I don't have to like that thought So what's next after The Monkees and The Partridge Family? Anybody going to grab The Mosqitos from Gilligan's Island?

Edgy DC Aug 04 2006 02:59 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 05 2006 09:36 AM

These are also two bands with personal "We're the" songs, but neigther "(Theme from) the Monkees" nor "Nevermind" were used. We were denied. These bands have a lot in common.

Vic Sage Aug 04 2006 03:52 PM

seawolf: "I assumed nothing, and I have no ill will towards any of the Monkees. I just don't think they belong anywhere near the top (insert any number here) bands of all time." yeah, but see, thats the point. you're not supposed to vote based on your overall assessment of the band, and your perception of where they belong amongst other all time bands. You are SUPPOSED to be voting for each individual song vs song matchup. I'm sure your vote would be the same anyway, given your tastes, but still, at least make an ATTEMPT to do this in the spirit in which it was created. OH, and my vote, by the way, is 10-0 Monkees. :)

seawolf17 Aug 04 2006 04:01 PM

I hate giving 10-0 votes as much as I hate 5-5 ties. I wouldn't have put the RHCP songs in the order I did if I didn't think they were better than the Monkees songs they were up against. As I said, I enjoy the Monkees; they'd beat Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds on acid. I have never, ever, ever shilled a vote just because I don't like a band. If I don't know the songs, I don't vote.

Zvon Aug 04 2006 11:44 PM

"Last Train To Clarksville" vs. "Love Rollercoaster" Monkees "Take A Giant Step" vs. "Under The Bridge" Red Hot Chili Peppers "I'm A Believer" vs. "Suck My Kiss" Monkees "(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone" vs. "Higher Ground" Monkees "You Told Me" vs. "Give It Away" Red Hot Chili Peppers "You Just May Be The One" vs. "By The Way" Tie "For Pete's Sake" vs. "Can't Stop" Tie "Pleasant Valley Sunday" vs. "Soul To Squeeze" Monkees "Daydream Believer" vs. "My Friends" Monkees "Valleri" vs. "Dani California" Monkees The Monkees: 7 Red Hot Chili Peppers: 3

ScarletKnight41 Aug 05 2006 01:47 AM

"Last Train To Clarksville" vs. "Love Rollercoaster" - Monkees "Take A Giant Step" vs. "Under The Bridge" - Monkees "I'm A Believer" vs. "Suck My Kiss" - Monkees "(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone" vs. "Higher Ground" - Monkees "You Told Me" vs. "Give It Away" - Monkees "You Just May Be The One" vs. "By The Way" - Monkees "For Pete's Sake" vs. "Can't Stop" - Monkees "Pleasant Valley Sunday" vs. "Soul To Squeeze" - Monkees "Daydream Believer" vs. "My Friends" - Monkees "Valleri" vs. "Dani California" - Monkees Monkees 10 - RHCP 0

sharpie Aug 07 2006 02:58 PM

Hey Hey it's the Monkees 68.5 and the Red Hot Chili Pepper 51.5

soupcan Aug 07 2006 04:08 PM

Ridiculous.

Edgy DC Aug 07 2006 04:10 PM

Give it away.

seawolf17 Aug 07 2006 04:36 PM

I've lost all faith in the sensibility of this board and of this project.

Edgy DC Aug 07 2006 04:39 PM

I didn't vote in this one, but I realized very quickly when I was young and this band was hot, that Anthony simply can't sing. Their Rick Rubin albums (really only the first one) are the only ones I can sit through. He did what the Monkees producers did, thoroughly informed their sound with Beatle influences.

Vic Sage Aug 07 2006 05:14 PM

Here we come, walkin' down the street, get the funniest looks from everyone we meet... HEY, HEY, WE'RE THE MONKEES!