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IGT Retro Sunday Afternoon 8-20-2006

SteveJRogers Aug 20 2006 12:46 PM

And its a great Wednesday evening out in Los Angeles as the Mets take on the Dodgers, El Sid starts for the Mets, and Dennis Powell for the Dodgers. Gary is about a week away from returning from his... Uh what, its 2006? Oh [url=http://www.ultimatemets.com/gamedetail.php?gameno=3968]I guess this was 8-20-1986[/url] Your lineups for 8-20-2006 1:10 Sunday afternoon at Shea, Mets and Rockies: Carroll 2B Sullivan CF Helton 1B Holliday LF Atkins 3B Hawpe RF Torrealba C Barnes SS Jennings P Mets Reyes SS Milledge RF Beltran CF Delgado 1B Wright 3B Tucker LF Woodward 2B DiFelice C Hernandez P

metirish Aug 20 2006 12:58 PM

Here's a cool pic to start the day. OK, help me out. Row one: Backman, Johnson, Teufel, Carter, Cashen, Hernandez, Orosco, Wilson, Dykstra, Hearn Row two: Harrelson, Fernandez, Elster??, Mitchell, Santana??, Aguilera??, Strawberry, Darling, ?? (he looks 60), Sisk??, Ojeda, Niemann??, Robinson

metirish Aug 20 2006 01:08 PM

Poor Keith looks a little seedy in the booth today, they had a fun night last after the celabration he said.

A Boy Named Seo Aug 20 2006 01:09 PM

"We were always all-stars after midnight", sez Keith. Well said.

Edgy DC Aug 20 2006 01:15 PM

Black vests over black shirtsleeves for the Roxettes makes no sense.

OlerudOwned Aug 20 2006 01:19 PM

The Duke has his pants hiked high above the thigh, but no stirrups to be found. EDIT: I had about 3 or 4 errors in that one sentence. I need to proofread better.

OlerudOwned Aug 20 2006 01:25 PM

Jennings gets branded with stitch marks on a Reyes comebacker, but Atkins retires Jose off the rebound.

SteveJRogers Aug 20 2006 01:25 PM

="metirish"]Here's a cool pic to start the day. OK, help me out. Row one: Backman, Johnson, Teufel, Carter, Cashen, Hernandez, Orosco, Wilson, Dykstra, Hearn Row two: Harrelson, Fernandez, Elster??, Mitchell, Santana??, Aguilera??, Strawberry, Darling, ?? (he looks 60), Sisk??, Ojeda, Niemann??, Robinson First row correct Row 2: Harrelson, Sid, Heep, Mitch, Santana, Aguilera, Straw, Darling, Sisk, Elster, Bobby O, Niemann and Robinson

Zvon Aug 20 2006 01:26 PM

OUCH! Reyes hits Jennings with a line drive to start the game! But Jose's still thrown out on the caroom off the pitchers inner thigh.

Johnny Dickshot Aug 20 2006 01:30 PM

El Duque is orange-dotted today, his mates are not. They seem to have removed the dots from the top of the helmets as well, but haven't gone old school with the domes themselves.

metirish Aug 20 2006 01:34 PM

Gary says the Rockies are ready to call up Kaz,might have done for this series but didn't want the distraction.

metirish Aug 20 2006 01:36 PM

Ron says that for game one of the 86 WS he ordered some funtons for family that were coming on for the game, Ray Romano delievered them...Romano claims it was game 6.

KC Aug 20 2006 01:42 PM

Looks and sounds like Keith feels a little old today, someone tell him to hit the kill switch on his mic when he groans lol.

Zvon Aug 20 2006 01:43 PM

KC Aug 20 2006 01:43 PM

And with that Delgado KABOOMS over the 410 mark dead center.

ScarletKnight41 Aug 20 2006 01:43 PM

Delgado's homer gives the Mets a 1-0 lead.

OlerudOwned Aug 20 2006 01:44 PM

Dead center and waaaaaay back. 1-0 Metropolitans

SteveJRogers Aug 20 2006 01:45 PM

="Zvon"] Sweet. Like the pinstripes

OlerudOwned Aug 20 2006 01:54 PM

Ronny's having a birthday party tonight. Someone take Dykstra's keys.

OlerudOwned Aug 20 2006 02:03 PM

Nice hitting by Milledge. High socks in scoring position for Beltran, 2 out.

Zvon Aug 20 2006 02:03 PM

....so Milledge has been hittin, huh? His single makes it 1st and 3rd (ElDooky), 2 out.

ScarletKnight41 Aug 20 2006 02:35 PM

OK - I can breathe now. El Duque had runners on 2nd and third with none out and strikes out the next three batters. Whew!

OlerudOwned Aug 20 2006 02:35 PM

Strikes out the side after the leadoff men reach scoring position. Beautiful. 1-0 Mets, Bottom 5

Zvon Aug 20 2006 02:37 PM

Whew- ElDouque starts the inning shakey, giving up a single and a double to lead it off, but then steps it up and strikes out the side. Nice.

ScarletKnight41 Aug 20 2006 02:39 PM

El Duque says, "Fuck nursing a 1-run lead - I'm going to lead off strong!" He bunts his way on and makes it to second on the bad throw to lead off the inning.

Zvon Aug 20 2006 02:40 PM

ElDouque with a surprise 1 out bunt and Rocks catcher Torrealba throws it into right! Get him home Reyes.

Zvon Aug 20 2006 02:42 PM

Reyes gets rung up on a pitch a tad outside. Man, he was pissed off. Stared down the ump. ElDouque steals 3rd!!!!!!!

ScarletKnight41 Aug 20 2006 02:42 PM

A bigger surprise - El Duque steals third!

OlerudOwned Aug 20 2006 02:43 PM

El Duque just stole third base. Standing. That's just mean.

ScarletKnight41 Aug 20 2006 02:44 PM

Lastings is claiming he was HBP, but nobody is believing him.

OlerudOwned Aug 20 2006 02:45 PM

C'mon Lastings. You don't wanna be this guy, do you?

ScarletKnight41 Aug 20 2006 02:46 PM

Back at bat, Lastings pops up to strand El Duque at third and end the inning.

ScarletKnight41 Aug 20 2006 02:51 PM

The leadoff walk is erased by DeFelice's on target throw to second.

ScarletKnight41 Aug 20 2006 02:52 PM

The caught stealing is extra important - Milledge couldn't make the catch and there's a ground rule double with two outs.

ScarletKnight41 Aug 20 2006 02:56 PM

In what is likely El Duque's final pitch of the day, he strikes out the batter to end the 6th. Whew!

KC Aug 20 2006 02:56 PM

I might just start calling El Duque, but not yet. Thank god for Orlando this season the way things panned out.

ScarletKnight41 Aug 20 2006 02:57 PM

I keep on forgetting he has a real name.

ScarletKnight41 Aug 20 2006 02:59 PM

The other one! Beltran homers to give the Mets a 2-0 lead!

Zvon Aug 20 2006 03:00 PM

Zvon Aug 20 2006 03:02 PM

j/k cleon ;)

OlerudOwned Aug 20 2006 03:05 PM

Zvon wrote: j/k cleon ;) Hah!

Edgy DC Aug 20 2006 03:09 PM

Bradford's role is seriously expanding these days. Hernandez, man. What a savior.

ScarletKnight41 Aug 20 2006 03:12 PM

A pitchers best friend ends the 7th for Bradford. Still 2-0. Get up and stretch!

Edgy DC Aug 20 2006 03:14 PM

Woodward turns two to end the inning. Or, as Cleon sees it, he butchers another one.

KC Aug 20 2006 03:16 PM

C'e na luna mezza'o mare Mammamiam'ho maritari Figlia mia a cu t'ho dare? Mama mia penscitu Se ti piglia lu pisciaolo Tssu vai, issu viene Sempre lu peace a muno tiene Se c'in gappa la fantasia ti pomperia figgiuzza mia La lario la pisci fritt'e baccala Oeh cumpa, na pompina ci haggia catta Cenata o cumma ca mi voglio marita Dammi na vagliotta ca mi voglio marita HEY

MFS62 Aug 20 2006 03:19 PM

So, KC, which place in Little Italy did you eat at last night? Later

seawolf17 Aug 20 2006 03:22 PM

Gotta love that Joe Table is still earning a major-league paycheck.

SteveJRogers Aug 20 2006 03:25 PM

Speaking of which, has anyone noticed that Mr. Met has only been wearing his snow white uni with blue cap only this year? Seems like everytime I go! I was really hoping they'd make a nifty throwback for the Big Baseball Head for the weekend

KC Aug 20 2006 03:27 PM

Il Palazzo, 62 - I guess I should report to the restaurant thread.

Edgy DC Aug 20 2006 03:29 PM

Aaron pulled a slider on Jamey Carroll. Man, he's been wicked. He could be the key to this whole thing before it's over.

MFS62 Aug 20 2006 03:29 PM

Heilmann again? Didn't he pitch two innings yesterday? Didn't Willie learn anything from last year when he wore out RHernandez by pitching him four and five days in a row? Well, at least we know that moving Aaron into the rotation doesn't look like its on Willie's agenda. Later

metirish Aug 20 2006 03:34 PM

But that's Heilmans inning now, I think Willie has shown us and him that.

Zvon Aug 20 2006 03:36 PM

KC Aug 20 2006 03:38 PM

Wags coming in for the ninth - anyone nervous? It's probably my imagination but I think he's ruined a couple of the Sunday IGT's this year.

ScarletKnight41 Aug 20 2006 03:38 PM

Listening to Ron describe Chuck E Cheese's to Gary and Keith was hysterical.

SteveJRogers Aug 20 2006 03:39 PM

I have a decent shot of Billy running in, hopefully I'll get it put up in a nice size on photobucket, and Billy did not do his thing behind the mound though. BTW, was it me, or did the crowd just pull a Dodger Stadium last night? The joint was rocking for most of the game, but when Milledge hit the HR and Wagner came in, it sounded like 1996, not 1986 or 2006

SteveJRogers Aug 20 2006 03:42 PM

I'll tell you though, its been a long while, October 2000 to be exact, since I've tried to navigate such a large sea of humanity in the Upper Deck's walkways. And you know, I liked it! =;)

OlerudOwned Aug 20 2006 03:43 PM

Wagner just blew Holliday off the field.

SteveJRogers Aug 20 2006 03:44 PM

GAME OVER! Good like

KC Aug 20 2006 03:44 PM

Colorado, you're dismissed - thank you for visiting.

Zvon Aug 20 2006 03:44 PM

Edgy DC Aug 20 2006 03:44 PM

MFS62 wrote: Heilmann again? Didn't he pitch two innings yesterday? Didn't Willie learn anything from last year when he wore out RHernandez by pitching him four and five days in a row? Four days in a row. Which is hardly the same thing.

OlerudOwned Aug 20 2006 03:44 PM

Reyes stays with, game over! He's great with the barehand (and the arm doesn't hurt).

ScarletKnight41 Aug 20 2006 03:45 PM

Whew!

metirish Aug 20 2006 03:45 PM

OK why was I all concerned when we were getting beat by the Phillies?....as Keith says they just needed to get home.

MFS62 Aug 20 2006 03:50 PM

="Edgy DC"] ="MFS62"]Heilmann again? Didn't he pitch two innings yesterday? Didn't Willie learn anything from last year when he wore out RHernandez by pitching him four and five days in a row? Four days in a row. Which is hardly the same thing. Four days in a row is four days in a row. Why is it hardly the same thing. Because RH is older? Those words look identical to me. And last year IIRC, Willie had RH pitch four days in a row and five days in a row (different games, one was not an extension of the other). Later

OlerudOwned Aug 20 2006 03:54 PM

Edgy DC Aug 20 2006 03:55 PM

Four days in a row is not the same thing as two days in a row. Should a reliever never be used after pitching two innings the day before?

MFS62 Aug 20 2006 04:03 PM

I didn't say Heilman had pitched four days in a row. And yes, two is different than four. I didn't say that it was the same. But he did pitch two innings yesterday and I was just commenting that I hope Willie doesn't begin to overwork Aaron, that's all. It was my concern about what might happen, not a statement of what had occurred. Later

Yancy Street Gang Aug 20 2006 04:05 PM

Well then, what does this mean? ]Four days in a row is four days in a row.

metirish Aug 20 2006 04:10 PM

Heilamn has been brillaint except for one night since Sanchez went down, I have no problem with Willie using him like this, perhaps this is what Heilamn wanted,a key role to step into.

Johnny Dickshot Aug 20 2006 04:14 PM

Not to join in, but his one screwup was in his thrird straight game. Today just made 2 in a row for AH, nothing to draw any wild conclusions from. >

MFS62 Aug 20 2006 04:15 PM

="Yancy Street Gang"]Well then, what does this mean? ]Four days in a row is four days in a row. Hed nothing to do with what I had said. It was in response to this comment: ]Four days in a row. Which is hardly the same thing. Maybe if he had explained what he meant by that better, and not just thrown that out there, it would have been easier to understand and respond to. Read my original post and tell me where I said Aaron had pitched four days in a row. Later

ScarletKnight41 Aug 20 2006 04:18 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 20 2006 04:21 PM

="Johnny Dickshot"] I love that old guy :)

KC Aug 20 2006 04:20 PM

Bill the broom guy is a wonderful man!

Edgy DC Aug 20 2006 04:23 PM

I'm sorry that it was less than clear. Did you say the situations were the same? No. You clearly implied that they were similar and one was relevant to the other. Should a manager never use a reliever who has pitched two innings the day before?

MFS62 Aug 20 2006 04:40 PM

Ahh, seas are calm again. Thanks In response to your question, I think a manager must know the limits of each of his pitchers and decide accordingly. I remember when they used to say "sinkerballers pitch better with a tired arm - makes the ball sink better". And managers wouldn't hesitate to use sinkerballers several days in a row. I've noticed that Aaron, who used to rely on his changeup as his out pitch,is throwing more and more fastballs recently. If the FSY gun is correct, he has hit 96MPH several times. Now that he has apparently changed his pitching style, I don't know if they have sufficient information to know how much is too much (too often) for him to pitch. In such a case, I would tend to err on the side of caution. As a general rule during the regular season, if a "short man" pitched two innings yesterday, the most I would pitch him is one inning today and give him a day off tomorrow. You and I say he's pitched two days in a row. JD says three. Either way, I think that should be his limit, especially with such a large lead in the standings. The last thing the team needs now is another injured pitcher. Later

metirish Aug 20 2006 04:42 PM

I think the fact that Heilman is pitching out of the pen is the reason why he doesn't throw as many different pitches as when he was a starter.

Yancy Street Gang Aug 20 2006 04:43 PM

It's two days in a row, three out of four, and four out of six.

Edgy DC Aug 20 2006 05:00 PM

There was always calm. ]You and I say he's pitched two days in a row. JD says three. No, Dickshot is saying that he recently screwed up when pitching in his third straight game. ]Either way, I think that should be his limit, especially with such a large lead in the standings. So Randolph actually used him within acceptable bounds, and with a day off tomorrow.

Johnny Dickshot Aug 20 2006 05:12 PM

It wasn't even recent, but the 3rd game post-Sanchez: He was used in all of 'em .screwed up the third. And that IMO wasn't so much an issue of the 3rd day work but that WWSB left him out there to take the punishment when he wasn't at his best. As I recall it, he had Jacobs up in a spot, couple guys on, but WWSB didn't go to any of the 4 lefties at his disposal, Jacobs walked then Cabrera killed us.

metirish Aug 20 2006 09:12 PM

Kinda cool that the PA system played Stevie Wonder's ''Sir Duke.'' when El Duque got out of that fifth inning jam striking out Barmes ,Jennings and Carroll then pumped his fist as he left to Stevie.

Gwreck Aug 21 2006 01:29 AM

="ScarletKnight41"]The caught stealing is extra important - Milledge couldn't make the catch and there's a ground rule double with two outs. From where I was sitting, it would've been near impossible for anyone without Jose Reyes-esque speed and some luck to have made that catch.