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metirish Aug 16 2006 09:10 PM

OK Pedro is on the DL, Glavine lately when he pitches good still can't win, we don't have a right fielder or a left fielder and Delgado and Wright are not hitting,I am concerned, I wish we had Nady.

Nymr83 Aug 16 2006 09:19 PM

get Green. he's the best thing out there that can clear waivers.

RealityChuck Aug 17 2006 07:13 AM

Too early to panic. Do you know that, with the three wins in a row, the Phillies are exactly as far behind the Mets are they were ten games ago? Pedro on the DL will mean he's in top shape in October. And the bad hitting is not just the corner OF -- the entire lineup (except for Reyes) is slumping. They'll get it back eventually. Plus Cliff will be back for the playoffs.

Elster88 Aug 17 2006 07:19 AM

I'm concerned.

ABG Aug 17 2006 07:23 AM

I'm concerned that, for all his great moves, this season will be defined by Omar's failure to/decision not to get a top flight starter at the deadline. I'd still rather have Nady/Oswalt or Zito than Hernandez/Milledge/Perez.

Elster88 Aug 17 2006 07:25 AM

Oswalt wasn't a possibility because of the reprecussions of Sanchez's injury. Not Omar's fault. My own feeling is that Omar's mistake wasn't his decision NOT to overpay for a starter but his panic-move of Nady for Bert.

ABG Aug 17 2006 07:35 AM

Elster88 wrote: Oswalt wasn't a possibility because of the reprecussions of Sanchez's injury. Not Omar's fault. My own feeling is that Omar's mistake wasn't his decision NOT to overpay for a starter but his panic-move of Nady for Bert. I still don't buy this assertion that Sanchez getting hurt prohibited getting a starter unless you assume that Heilman HAD to go in any deal. Also, your two statements are contradictory.

Willets Point Aug 17 2006 07:38 AM

We're doomed!

sharpie Aug 17 2006 08:00 AM

This is the same team that swept the Padres a week ago. Heck, we looked crappy against the Red Sox and then played well after that. Bad stretch, stop moping. Nady wasn't the key to this season.

cleonjones11 Aug 17 2006 08:08 AM

Just a flat team...but our corner OF's are lacking and the starting pitching is a mess. No guarantees on Pedro

Benjamin Grimm Aug 17 2006 08:11 AM

No, Nady's not the key to the season. But we may end up regretting his absense in October.

Elster88 Aug 17 2006 08:12 AM

ABG wrote: Elster88 wrote: Oswalt wasn't a possibility because of the reprecussions of Sanchez's injury. Not Omar's fault. My own feeling is that Omar's mistake wasn't his decision NOT to overpay for a starter but his panic-move of Nady for Bert. I still don't buy this assertion that Sanchez getting hurt prohibited getting a starter unless you assume that Heilman HAD to go in any deal. Also, your two statements are contradictory. How are they contradictory?

Benjamin Grimm Aug 17 2006 08:16 AM

Oswalt wasn't available. Trading Nady was a mistake. I don't see any contradiction there.

MFS62 Aug 17 2006 08:31 AM

The Mets have through their recent dry spell with 5 All-Stars in the lineup -Reyes, Wright, Beltran, LoDuca, Martinez(voted to the team) and Glavine - and one many-time All Star (Delgado). You have to look at their career and 2006 bodies of work and say that this is just an abberration. Each (other than Reyes and LoDuca) has encountered some bumps in the road. Wright may be suffering from Post Derby Syndrome (see Abreau, Bobby). His power numbers have dropped dramatically since the ASG. Delgado, according to a comment I read the other day, may have an injured hand. He has reportedly been a good August/September hitter throughout his career, so there may be some credence to the injury story. Beltran - I don't know what to say...... Pedro - he had pitched well in his recent games until the other night, so the rest on the DL may refresh him. Glavine hasn't pitched poorly - he's not getting lit up. His peripherals aren't that much different from when he was winning. His W-L record has suffered due to lack of run support. That said, until at least a few of those players starts to get back on track and Floyd returns, I'm beginning to get a little concerned. Later

Benjamin Grimm Aug 17 2006 08:35 AM

If a team gets hot in October, it can win a World Series. If a team is cold in October, it can have an early playoff exit. In October, the Mets may be hot, they may be cold, or, more likely, they'll be somewhere in-between. Right now, in the middle of August, they're cold. Nothing to worry about. They may very well be hot again in October. This recent spell won't have any impact two months from now, unless everyone is nursing secret injuries that will need more than two months to heal.

ABG Aug 17 2006 08:36 AM

Elster88 wrote: Elster88 wrote: Oswalt wasn't a possibility because of the reprecussions of Sanchez's injury. Not Omar's fault. My own feeling is that Omar's mistake wasn't his decision NOT to overpay for a starter but his panic-move of Nady for Bert. I still don't buy this assertion that Sanchez getting hurt prohibited getting a starter unless you assume that Heilman HAD to go in any deal. Also, your two statements are contradictory. How are they contradictory? They're contradictory because you are blaming Omar for addressing the bullpen in one statement while using it as his defense in another. You will say that you are blaming him for addressing it in the manner he did, but my point is that he didn't need to address it at all. The team's weakness, even after losing Sanchez, was the front end of the starting rotation. Not the bullpen. I do not believe that any trade we could have made or not made for the bullpen could have changed that equation. Oswalt wasn't available. Trading Nady was a mistake. I don't see any contradiction there. And no, it didn't have to be Oswalt. But my belief is that had he been willing to trade Milledge that he could have had someone out of Schmidt-Zito-Oswalt. And my belief is that this team will not only fail to win the World Series, but will likely fail to make the World Series because of this singular decision around the deadline. We agree that Omar panicked in making the trade of Nady for Hernandez. What we don't agree on are the questions of his need to address the bullpen, his fundamental misunderstanding of the teams weaknesses and (maybe) his mistake in keeping Milledge at the expense of missing out on a starting pitcher. And, for the record, I'm not especially concerned about the state of the corner outfielders. That has little if anything to do with my opposition to his deadline actions.

HahnSolo Aug 17 2006 08:38 AM

Pedro on the DL will mean he's in top shape in October. I'm not sure how one can draw this conclusion. You may be right, but I don't know how you can say this with certainty now. I'm not panicking, but the Nady-Roberto trade, especially when it doesn't seem Bert gets appearances in meaningful spots, looks like it could have been a mistake.

Elster88 Aug 17 2006 08:40 AM

ABG wrote: ABG wrote: Oswalt wasn't a possibility because of the reprecussions of Sanchez's injury. Not Omar's fault. My own feeling is that Omar's mistake wasn't his decision NOT to overpay for a starter but his panic-move of Nady for Bert. I still don't buy this assertion that Sanchez getting hurt prohibited getting a starter unless you assume that Heilman HAD to go in any deal. Also, your two statements are contradictory. How are they contradictory? They're contradictory because you are blaming Omar for addressing the bullpen in one statement while using it as his defense in another. You will say that you are blaming him for addressing it in the manner he did, but my point is that he didn't need to address it at all. The team's weakness, even after losing Sanchez, was the front end of the starting rotation. Not the bullpen. I do not believe that any trade we could have made or not made for the bullpen could have changed that equation. You are completely wrong in saying that my statements are contradictory. I'm blaming him for making a bad trade, and saying it's not his fault that a deal fell through when a guy got hurt. There is no contradiction.

Johnny Dickshot Aug 17 2006 08:40 AM

As I understand it the failure to trade for Oswalt had to do with the O's unwillingness to part with Tejada. The Nady deal was obviously prompted by Sanchez' injury: It's possible Heilman's new value could have prevented a Jason Schmidt deal but that's all speculation right now. At any rate, it seems a stretch to frame the Oswalt non-deal as a either-or thing with the Nady-Hernandez trade.

Elster88 Aug 17 2006 08:42 AM

ABG wrote: Oswalt wasn't available. Trading Nady was a mistake. I don't see any contradiction there. And no, it didn't have to be Oswalt. But my belief is that had he been willing to trade Milledge that he could have had someone out of Schmidt-Zito-Oswalt. And my belief is that this team will not only fail to win the World Series, but will likely fail to make the World Series because of this singular decision around the deadline. We agree that Omar panicked in making the trade of Nady for Hernandez. What we don't agree on are the questions of his need to address the bullpen, his fundamental misunderstanding of the teams weaknesses and (maybe) his mistake in keeping Milledge at the expense of missing out on a starting pitcher. And, for the record, I'm not especially concerned about the state of the corner outfielders. That has little if anything to do with my opposition to his deadline actions. He had a trade ready to go through for a frontline starter on the day of the deadline. That day it fell through due to injury. I don't see how you blame him for not being able to start from scratch and come up with a brand new trade in a 12 hour window.

Willets Point Aug 17 2006 09:06 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: If a team gets hot in October, it can win a World Series. If a team is cold in October, it can have an early playoff exit. In October, the Mets may be hot, they may be cold, or, more likely, they'll be somewhere in-between. Right now, in the middle of August, they're cold. Nothing to worry about. They may very well be hot again in October. This recent spell won't have any impact two months from now, unless everyone is nursing secret injuries that will need more than two months to heal. Of course, this assumes the Mets get to play in October. If they keep up the way they've been playing lately that is not guaranteed.

ABG Aug 17 2006 09:08 AM

Elster88 wrote: ABG wrote: Oswalt wasn't available. Trading Nady was a mistake. I don't see any contradiction there. And no, it didn't have to be Oswalt. But my belief is that had he been willing to trade Milledge that he could have had someone out of Schmidt-Zito-Oswalt. And my belief is that this team will not only fail to win the World Series, but will likely fail to make the World Series because of this singular decision around the deadline. We agree that Omar panicked in making the trade of Nady for Hernandez. What we don't agree on are the questions of his need to address the bullpen, his fundamental misunderstanding of the teams weaknesses and (maybe) his mistake in keeping Milledge at the expense of missing out on a starting pitcher. And, for the record, I'm not especially concerned about the state of the corner outfielders. That has little if anything to do with my opposition to his deadline actions. He had a trade ready to go through for a frontline starter on the day of the deadline. That day it fell through due to injury. I don't see how you blame him for not being able to start from scratch and come up with a brand new trade in a 12 hour window. I blame him for just not making the trade he had ready to go. Unless you're saying that Sanchez was IN the trade.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 17 2006 09:15 AM

He didn't make that Oswalt trade because the Orioles backed out, and refused to include Tejada. Once Tejada was off the table, the Astros were no longer interested in dealing Oswalt. Not Omar's fault at all.

ABG Aug 17 2006 09:35 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: He didn't make that Oswalt trade because the Orioles backed out, and refused to include Tejada. Once Tejada was off the table, the Astros were no longer interested in dealing Oswalt. Not Omar's fault at all. Elster is saying it fell through because of the injury to Sanchez. And I'm saying he should've made a trade for Schmidt or Zito or someone if Oswalt was unavailable.

Elster88 Aug 17 2006 09:44 AM

Whatever the reason it fell through....I was trying to get a handle on how saying that I don't like the Nady trade and that I don't blame Omar for the Oswalt deal falling through is a contradiction. Either way I don't see it. And either way I'm getting bored with this discussion. And it was at least in part due to the Sanchez injury. Even if Baltimore didn't pull out, I swear I heard Omar say he wouldn't have gone through with it after Duaner got hurt.

Johnny Dickshot Aug 17 2006 09:50 AM

It does seem like Omar overcorrected for the Sanchez loss, and paid full retail for Hernandez. The fact that neoither Schmidt not Oswalt was traded to anybody suggest they may not have been as available as described.

sharpie Aug 17 2006 10:02 AM

The Giants always maintained that Schmidt was unavailable and never entered into discussions about trading him. That was all wishful thinking on contenders' part.

Frayed Knot Aug 17 2006 10:39 AM

I blame him for just not making the trade he had ready to go. This assumes that there WAS a trade (or trades) ready to go. It takes two to tango and a GM can't unilaterally decide to make a deal unless he has a partner agreeing to the swap. Maybe it's just post-deadline spin but: - the Giants maintain that Schmidt wasn't available - the A's ALWAYS maintained that they'd need to be blown away for Zito - and not only did numerous reports have the O's backing out of any deal involving Oswalt (which would allow them to flip him to the Mets) but the Astros deny that they even offered Oswalt to Baltimore in the first place. But my belief is that had he been willing to trade Milledge that he could have had someone out of Schmidt-Zito-Oswalt. Between just the rumors of any or all of the above trades, to the Manny discussions of a year or so ago, I think it's clear that Omar IS quite willing to deal Milledge.

Zvon Aug 17 2006 02:50 PM

As long as we are not in a position where any one series cant hurt the fact that we have a runaway lead in the division, Im not concerned. And this Philly series confirms that to me. We got our ass whupped and we still have a commanding lead. My only concern at this point, as far as it stands as of this date, is to assure come the end of Sept we are as close to firing on all cylinders as we possibly can be. I think Pedro getting rest now helps towards that goal. Id like to see Bannister come up and take his next two starts. Hopefully Delgado and Beltran may be able to carry the team for a bit as we wait for Wright to snap out of his funk. And Reyes should just continue doing what he has been doing, as well as the Met reserves/bench and pen. I dont know that Milledge can be counted on- not doing what he has been doing while we have a guy like Chavez on the bench. Maybe their roles should be reversed.( Milledge should play for Floyd till he returns, and hopefully we have a fresh and productive Cliffy for the rest of the run.) But the great thing is we can afford to give Lastings an extended look right now. We can afford a lot of things Im not used to, like this series against the Phils. I am a lil currently concerned about Valentin and his hammy, which happened just today. His value to the team cant be measured in conventional terms.

TheOldMole Aug 20 2006 01:39 AM

The way I figure it, Omar can't be relied upon, because look at the mess he's gotten the Mets into already. A real general manager would have them 30 games in front. So why should we assume that he maybe sees something in Lastings Milledge that a little big league seasoning may bring out?

cleonjones11 Aug 20 2006 09:49 AM

Lastings Milledge will be a Met for a very long time... It is said Chris Woodward is valuable because he plays so many positions. He is a butcher in the field and an automatic out. Valentin please get well so David Wright can sit!

Edgy MD Aug 20 2006 10:39 AM

It is said Chris Woodward is valuable because he plays so many positions. He is a butcher in the field and an automatic out. Valentin please get well so David Wright can sit! "It is said"? Please tell me who is saying it? And on what do you base your contention that he is a butcher?

cleonjones11 Aug 20 2006 11:40 AM

It is said by other CPF'ers when I started my Woodward link. As for butcher..you watch the games right....He has no glove..period. Crap he tried to throw his glove to first the other day...Shoulda kept Marlon Anderson..

Edgy MD Aug 20 2006 01:24 PM

Yeah, I watch the games. I'd be curious as to how the automatic out compares statistically as a hitter and as a fielder with other utility infielders.

metirish Aug 20 2006 01:26 PM

I'm more worried about Glavine than I am about Woodie, as for Marlon Anderson he got a good multi-year deal and took it, good for him.

TheOldMole Aug 20 2006 05:03 PM

Oliver Perezis 1-0 with a 0.69 ERA in his last two starts at Triple-A Norfolk, allowing six hits in 13 innings. The left-hander took a no-hitter into the seventh inning on Saturday in the Tides' 1-0 win over the Charlotte Knights. Perez, who turned 25 on Tuesday, gave up a single and two walks in the game, while striking out 11 before leaving after the seventh.