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Edgy DC Aug 20 2006 05:47 PM

Returning to a game that has never been won, guess the Player to Be Named Later that the Mets will give up for Guillermo Mota.

SteveJRogers Aug 20 2006 05:48 PM

Guillermo Mota

SteveJRogers Aug 20 2006 05:50 PM

j/k That was based on a WEEI host suggesting that the when Mets traded David Cone to the Blue Jays for a PTBNL (not sure if it was Kent or Thompson off hand) that Cone could in fact become the PTBNL in his own trade

OlerudOwned Aug 20 2006 05:51 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: j/k That was based on a WEEI host suggesting that the when Mets traded David Cone to the Blue Jays for a PTBNL (not sure if it was Kent or Thompson off hand) that Cone could in fact become the PTBNL in his own trade http://ultimatemets.com/profile.php?PlayerCode=0027

RealityChuck Aug 20 2006 06:41 PM

="SteveJRogers"]j/k That was based on a WEEI host suggesting that the when Mets traded David Cone to the Blue Jays for a PTBNL (not sure if it was Kent or Thompson off hand) that Cone could in fact become the PTBNL in his own trade Do these young kids no nothing about Mets history? <grouse> <grouse> <grouse>

SteveJRogers Aug 20 2006 06:44 PM

="RealityChuck"] ="SteveJRogers"]j/k That was based on a WEEI host suggesting that the when Mets traded David Cone to the Blue Jays for a PTBNL (not sure if it was Kent or Thompson off hand) that Cone could in fact become the PTBNL in his own trade Do these young kids no nothing about Mets history? <grouse> <grouse> <grouse> ???? I know from Harry Chiti, I just love pointing out that one WEEI host's utter lack of comprehension of the 1992 Met situation. Cone was a salery dumpage and the Mets were not intent on bringing him back in 1993

MFS62 Aug 20 2006 09:03 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 20 2006 09:04 PM

To answer the original question - it may be someone who is currently on the DL, since such players can't be dealt unti they are activated. Or, more likely (since I don't see them dealing one of the current DL crew- Bannister or Pelfrey - for Mota) if a player if optioned to the minors, they can't be recalled for 10 days - Heath Bell fits that bill. If that is the case, why? In my mind, Bell can do what Mota can, and is cheaper. Later

seawolf17 Aug 20 2006 09:03 PM

Victor Diaz?

Gwreck Aug 20 2006 09:12 PM

Are any of the minor league teams in a pennant race? Could be that they don't want to lose somebody for the playoff run but once that's over he can go/

Frayed Knot Aug 20 2006 09:25 PM

Sure it can be a minor leaguer -- in fact, I'd be surprised if it weren't. It may just be a PTBNL because they haven't decided on who it'll be yet. Typically the Mets could give the Injuns a list of several ml-ers and let them choose later on after doing some scouting. I can't believe the bait here would be anything substantial.

Edgy DC Aug 20 2006 11:19 PM

Not getting enough guesses. I'm going with Blake Eager.

Johnny Dickshot Aug 20 2006 11:24 PM

Dusty Childress.

MFS62 Aug 21 2006 06:30 AM

Sending them Corey Ragsdale would be intersting. Mota was originally a light hitting infielder in the Met organization who was turned into a pitcher by the team he went to. Ragsdale is currently a light hitting infielder in the Mets organization who some folks think should be turned into a pitcher. Just a thought about Mota - for the Mets to get him, he had to have passed through waivers. That means the Red Sox passed on him. That says a lot. Later

Edgy DC Aug 21 2006 07:57 AM

Not to my thinking. He's making a lot of money and pitching poorly. The waiver wires are full of such people, and the Mets didn't bite until the salary came down.

OlerudOwned Aug 21 2006 12:25 PM

Kevin Tomasiewicz

MFS62 Aug 21 2006 12:31 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 21 2006 12:37 PM

6-2 2.71 15 saves in 40+ games for Hagerstown this year. I think he's a lefty. (I get him confused with another reliever on that staff.) EDIT: If he's the one, I'd be ok with that. If that's your guess, not a bad choice. Later

metirish Aug 21 2006 12:33 PM

I'll go with my kid...Ambiorix Concepcion A question, has any PtBNL gone on to a great career, give me some famous PtBNL.

MFS62 Aug 21 2006 12:51 PM

metirish wrote: I'll go with my kid...Ambiorix Concepcion A question, has any PtBNL gone on to a great career, give me some famous PtBNL. That is a great question. Do ya' think its worthy of its own thread? Later

seawolf17 Aug 21 2006 12:55 PM

metirish wrote: I'll go with my kid...Ambiorix Concepcion I just called him up in my Out Of The Park computer baseball league... I would hate to see him go.

OlerudOwned Aug 21 2006 12:56 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 21 2006 01:01 PM

MFS62 wrote: ="metirish"]I'll go with my kid...Ambiorix Concepcion A question, has any PtBNL gone on to a great career, give me some famous PtBNL. That is a great question. Do ya' think its worthy of its own thread? Later http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/07/01/001753.php All the research has been done for us already, that's kind of a disappointment.

metirish Aug 21 2006 12:58 PM

Thanks OO, that's a pretty decent team of PtBNL.

metirish Aug 21 2006 01:06 PM

How could this happen?,from the Slate article in the link OO posted. ] In 1962, the New York Mets traded backup catcher Harry Chiti to the Cleveland Indians for a player to be named later. Who was that player? Harry Chiti, traded for himself.

OlerudOwned Aug 21 2006 01:11 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 21 2006 01:12 PM

From the Wikipedia article on PTBNL: ]There are two rules to a PTBNL transaction. The deal must close within a six-month timeframe following the conclusion of the rest of the trade, and the player must change leagues. Because of these two rules there have been some interesting circumstances. In 1962, when Harry Chiti was traded by the New York Mets to the Cleveland Indians for a PTBNL, and the teams could not agree on a final deal within the six-month timeframe, the PTBNL was, oddly enough, Henry Chiti. The New York Mets traded him back to Cleveland for himself, in essence to negate the trade altogether with neither side losing or gaining anything. Seems to make enough sense.

Frayed Knot Aug 21 2006 01:11 PM

There's basically two types of PTBNLs 1) where the teams already know who's being traded but for various reasons can announce it yet (player on DL, roster issues, etc.) 2) where the team is given time to decide who they want - usually from a group of players And Chiti was part of #2. The Mets probably dealt Chiti under the guise that Cleveland could give them any player on their ML roster as of a certain date ... at which point Cleveland decides that Chiti wasn't too swift once seen up close and so they sent him when the time came to close the deal.

Willets Point Aug 21 2006 01:23 PM

Waulkil Gaunce?

SteveJRogers Aug 21 2006 06:59 PM

]Kevin Brown, Yankees: In 1990, traded from New York Mets to Milwaukee along with PNL Julio Machado in exchange for PNL Kevin Carmody and Charlie O'Brien. (Named eight days later). He was also a PNL in 1987 when Atlanta sent him to New York in exchange for Terry Blocker. Wrong Kevin Brown! [url=http://www.ultimatemets.com/profile.php?PlayerCode=0422]Kevin Dewayne Brown[/url] [url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/brownke01.shtml]James Kevin Brown, aka the guy the Blogger was thinking of![/url] I think the other Kevin Brown and the other Pedro Martinez (Pedro A. who also pitched with the Pads) are probably the two most confused "Ones that got away" in Mets history! Okay, I know of only one call to WFAN inquiring how the Mets had Kevin Brown and "let him go?" Sadly the host said he'd check up on it and never gave the answer (that it wasn't the Kevin Brown who was with the Rangers at the time of the phone call) Then again my Dad once turned to me after Magglio Ordonez had a big hit against the Yankees and asked why Ordonez couldn't do that as a Met! So its not just the same complete name sometimes I guess

Edgy DC Aug 29 2006 12:27 PM

Drama all over Metville, as today's the day the trade is scheduled to be completed.

MFS62 Aug 29 2006 12:36 PM

]I think the other Kevin Brown and the other Pedro Martinez (Pedro A. who also pitched with the Pads) are probably the two most confused "Ones that got away" in Mets history! But for a while, that title was held by the Ender/ Endy Chavez confusion. Or when "E.Alfonzo, c" started showing up in recent SF box scores after they released Edgardo. Thank goodness real Mets fans know that Edgardo was never a catcher. was he? Later

MFS62 Aug 29 2006 04:00 PM

Tick tock The clock keeps moving a no word yet on the PTBNL. I've sent an email to an Indian-fan friend in Cleveland. I'll let you know when I hear back from him. Later

metirish Aug 29 2006 04:02 PM

]The clock keeps moving a no word yet on the PTBNL. Didn't they name him a few days after the trade?[/code]

MFS62 Aug 29 2006 05:53 PM

Got pointed to this link by my Indian-fan pal. http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060824&content_id=1627398&vkey=news_cle&fext=.jsp&c_id=cle Apparently, the date for the complation of the deal is September 29th, not August 29th, and cash is an option. Later