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All I ask for the New-Shea parking lot is this ONE THING...

SteveJRogers Aug 23 2006 09:08 PM

Right behind where 2nd base was, a HUGE monument...well okay, scaled down, of a stage set, drummer and three gutiarists, with two mikes and a keyboard. Yup. Ringo, George, Paul and John. The Beatles! And, I want this monument to have a built in speaker that blares nothing but what the Beatles set lists were (and mixed in with other Beatle tunes from that era and/or their live material) in an endless loop. THAT would be...well...fab!

Willets Point Aug 23 2006 09:12 PM

The Beatles set-list for that show was pretty short: Twist And Shout She's A Woman I Feel Fine Dizzy Miss Lizzy Ticket To Ride Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby Can't Buy Me Love Baby's In Black I Wanna BeYour Man A Hard Day's Night Help! I'm Down

KC Aug 23 2006 09:45 PM

I wonder how many people could actually hear the music. Not many is my guess, although people who were there probably have different memories.

Willets Point Aug 23 2006 09:48 PM

The only amplification they had was Shea's regular PA system which surely was not as powerful then as it is now. Then there were the 50,000 screaming girls. I don't think actually hearing the music was part of the experience for many

SteveJRogers Aug 23 2006 09:55 PM

Yup. The Beatles were a World Class live band, but as trail blazers in stadium rock, they came up WAYYYYYYY too short. Put it this way, the 66 McCartney could never even attempt to do what the 06 McCartney does with every section of the stadium singing the Na na na na na na! Na na na! Hey Judes at the end of Hey Jude. Famous story of course, though not sure if it was for Shea or another venue, is that Ringo would tell the other three that a song sounded really good that night, and the others would say that they never played the song Ringo was talking about! Thats how bad the Beatles sound was doing those first stadium tours

Yancy Street Gang Aug 23 2006 10:18 PM

If they're going to honor Shea in the new parking lot, they should honor the Mets, not the Beatles. Let us know where the pitcher's mound was, so we can stand there and pretend to be Tom Seaver. Or Dwight Gooden. Or Victor Zambrano. Put a dotted line along the path of the ball the Mookie dribbled through Buckner's legs. It's not about the Beatles. It's about the Mets.

Edgy DC Aug 23 2006 10:20 PM

And it's not about the pope. The Mets are bigger than Jesus.

SteveJRogers Aug 23 2006 10:23 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: If they're going to honor Shea in the new parking lot, they should honor the Mets, not the Beatles. Let us know where the pitcher's mound was, so we can stand there and pretend to be Tom Seaver. Or Dwight Gooden. Or Victor Zambrano. Put a dotted line along the path of the ball the Mookie dribbled through Buckner's legs. It's not about the Beatles. It's about the Mets. Oh I agree as well, and a marker out by Left Field where Cleon stood to grab the final out of 1969. But that was such a huge happening that it must be commemorated, more so than the Met related stuff. And I say "All I ask" is because I'm assuming the Mets will do the right thing with the Mookie thing, the mound, ect

Yancy Street Gang Aug 23 2006 10:43 PM

Edgy DC wrote: And it's not about the pope. The Mets are bigger than Jesus. I agree with that, too.

Gwreck Aug 24 2006 12:04 AM

Willets Point wrote: The only amplification they had was Shea's regular PA system which surely was not as powerful then as it is now. Then there were the 50,000 screaming girls. I don't think actually hearing the music was part of the experience for many I thought the baselines were lined with speakers as well (??).

seawolf17 Aug 24 2006 07:35 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: ="Edgy DC"]And it's not about the pope. The Mets are bigger than Jesus. I agree with that, too. Jesus Alou? Ivan DeJesus? Definitely. I don't even think there's a discussion there.

cooby Aug 24 2006 07:48 AM

SteveJRogers wrote: ="Yancy Street Gang"]If they're going to honor Shea in the new parking lot, they should honor the Mets, not the Beatles. Let us know where the pitcher's mound was, so we can stand there and pretend to be Tom Seaver. Or Dwight Gooden. Or Victor Zambrano. Put a dotted line along the path of the ball the Mookie dribbled through Buckner's legs. It's not about the Beatles. It's about the Mets. Oh I agree as well, and a marker out by Left Field where Cleon stood to grab the final out of 1969. But that was such a huge happening that it must be commemorated, more so than the Met related stuff. And I say "All I ask" is because I'm assuming the Mets will do the right thing with the Mookie thing, the mound, ect Please try to explain this line

Willets Point Aug 24 2006 07:54 AM

seawolf17 wrote: ="Yancy Street Gang"] ="Edgy DC"]And it's not about the pope. The Mets are bigger than Jesus. I agree with that, too. Jesus Alou? Ivan DeJesus? Definitely. I don't even think there's a discussion there. I think he was refering to Jesus Jones.

SteveJRogers Aug 24 2006 08:15 AM

cooby wrote: Please try to explain this line First stadium rock concert, ever. Ask people of a certain age who know nothing about baseball, and they'll probably know Shea as the place where the Beatles performed when they played in NYC Part of pop-culture history that should be remembered, more so than the actual tennants of the place because of the historic cultural signfigance.

cooby Aug 24 2006 08:24 AM

A rock concert has more historical significance than a baseball team who has played in the same stadium for 40+ years and has won two World Series there. This is a joke right?

Edgy DC Aug 24 2006 08:32 AM

Well, the Mets continue, and the Beatles are done, so a shrine of sorts is appropriate. The new Mets continue as a living monument to the old Mets. Yeah, I meant MC 900-Fooot Jesus. Duh.

cooby Aug 24 2006 08:33 AM

Surely I'm dreaming.

Edgy DC Aug 24 2006 08:39 AM

I don't really care about this. Any statue, so long as it isn't Kennedy Center ugly, is fine.

Iubitul Aug 24 2006 09:00 AM

A statue? Oh please. The only thing I think they should do is to mark where the original infield is in the parking lot...

seawolf17 Aug 24 2006 09:06 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Well, the Mets continue, and the Beatles are done, so a shrine of sorts is appropriate. The new Mets continue as a living monument to the old Mets. Yeah, I meant MC 900-Fooot Jesus. Duh. Loved that "If I Only Had A Brain" song.

Yancy Street Gang Aug 24 2006 09:06 AM

I think they should build an actual-size statue of Shea on its original location.

Edgy DC Aug 24 2006 09:20 AM

Iubitul wrote: A statue? Oh please. The only thing I think they should do is to mark where the original infield is in the parking lot... I don't care so much about any of this at all.

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2006 09:35 AM

Not just painted lines where home plate and the bases are/were, but maybe also some of those police-like chalk outlines on the parking lot where various things happened. - Jones catching the fly ball - The Beatles stage w/outlines of J, P, G & R - the spot where Jesse's glove landed (assuming it ever did)

Willets Point Aug 24 2006 11:12 AM

Outlines? Hell I think we should get Ringo himself to be a fixture in the parking lot.

HahnSolo Aug 24 2006 11:27 AM

Put an outline where the bases and basepaths were, draw a line where the outfield fence is, then let everyone imagine what it was like to be there, and fondly recall their most vivid memories, whatever they may be.

seawolf17 Aug 24 2006 11:31 AM

HahnSolo wrote: Put an outline where the bases and basepaths were, draw a line where the outfield fence is, then let everyone imagine what it was like to be there, and fondly recall their most vivid memories, whatever they may be. They should plant super-fast-growing grass in the lot so we can re-enact the 1986 division championship celebration over and over and over.

ABG Aug 24 2006 11:34 AM

An utterly inane topic. Who's the author?

cooby Aug 24 2006 11:41 AM

SteveJRogers wrote: ="cooby"]Please try to explain this line First stadium rock concert, ever. Ask people of a certain age who know nothing about baseball, and they'll probably know Shea as the place where the Beatles performed when they played in NYC Part of pop-culture history that should be remembered, more so than the actual tennants of the place because of the historic cultural signfigance. This is just so utterly preposterous, that 3 1/2 hours later, I still can't believe my eyes. The hell with the mock infield folks, the Beatles are the only thing that ever happened there. Of any historical significance, that is.

cooby Aug 24 2006 11:41 AM

ABG wrote: An utterly inane topic. Who's the author?

Yancy Street Gang Aug 24 2006 11:50 AM

Let me bring this discussion to its inevitable next step: This isn't Steve's opinion. It's something he heard on IdiotRadio, and he shared it here so we could all see how nutty the people who call IdiotRadio are.

MadDog Aug 24 2006 11:54 AM

Ah, COME ON, Yancy! You calling my callers idiots?

Yancy Street Gang Aug 24 2006 11:56 AM

Oh great, I woke up the Mad Dog. I was talking about Mike's callers, Chris. Feel better now?

seawolf17 Aug 24 2006 11:57 AM

It's possible that Joe Beningo and Evan Whateverhisname is, subbing for those guys this week, are actually worse. They're almost unlistenable. Worse than M or MD solo, which is a train wreck.

Willets Point Aug 24 2006 12:01 PM

I actually kind of like the Beatles monument in the parking lot idea. It would be a nice touch.

smg58 Aug 24 2006 12:06 PM

My parents were there that day. According to my father, you could hear the first three notes of each song, but once everybody recognized it that was it. I'd have no problem putting up a handful of monuments marking specific moments in the stadium's history, and the Beatles concert would certainly qualify.

ScarletKnight41 Aug 24 2006 12:11 PM

Rather than monuments, they could do bricks around the stadium, like they did in St. Louis. It was actually a nice way to commemorate the history of the place -

SteveJRogers Aug 24 2006 12:27 PM

="cooby"] ="SteveJRogers"] ="cooby"]Please try to explain this line First stadium rock concert, ever. Ask people of a certain age who know nothing about baseball, and they'll probably know Shea as the place where the Beatles performed when they played in NYC Part of pop-culture history that should be remembered, more so than the actual tennants of the place because of the historic cultural signfigance. This is just so utterly preposterous, that 3 1/2 hours later, I still can't believe my eyes. The hell with the mock infield folks, the Beatles are the only thing that ever happened there. Of any historical significance, that is. Atlanta Fulton County Coliseum. Saw a Brave World Championship won on its field, as well as one of the top NLCS moments of all time (Sid Bream scores series winning run in 1992) Saw just as many great Brave hurlers toil on the mound as Shea has seen Met hurlers (Niekro, Glavine, Maddux, Smoltz, even short timers like Sutter, Perry, Sutton) And what is the only real moment commemorated? A historic and culturally signficant event that people remember or know about, even if they never heard of Dale Murphy, Tom Glavine, Darrell Evans, Ralph Garr, Chipper Jones, Biff Porcoba, ect Thats what I mean about the Beatles at Shea. More people know the Beatles played at Shea than do know who Tom Seaver or Joe Namath were (or what stadium they played their home games in) More people have heard of the Ryman Auditorium and the Grand Ole Opry than know that the "Music City Miracle" play in the 1999 NFC Championship game happened in Nashville. If the Ryman and wherever they call the Titans home stadium were torn down, more people would demand a marker for the Grand Ole Opry than the "Music City Miracle" play Maybe the full scale was being over the top (that was a big stage) and a much smaller monument marker would be more appropriate, and "all I want" is a bit strong, but that history behind 2nd base should be commemorated in some fashion, yes more so than anything the Jets or Mets ever did, because it trancended something bigger than just baseball. There should be a marker plaque where Cleon Jones caught the final out of the 1969 World Series, there should be one right around where Bill Buckner stood as the ball dipped underneath his glove, and there should be small statues where the mound is of Tom Seaver and Jesse Orosco on his knees after the final out of 1986.

cooby Aug 24 2006 01:05 PM

You can't honestly think that a Beatles concert rates right up there in people's memories of baseball stadium history with the record setting homerun? Now I know it's a joke. Where is Durwood Kirby? Which of you guys set this up? I'll get you. I'm about to use the s word

seawolf17 Aug 24 2006 01:09 PM

Cooby, don't ever leave.

SteveJRogers Aug 24 2006 01:26 PM

cooby wrote: You can't honestly think that a Beatles concert rates right up there in people's memories of baseball stadium history with the record setting homerun? Not JUST a Beatle concert, just like 715 wasn't JUST a record setting HR. A historic first for pop-culture and rock history with the first large venue concert. If the Beatles say played Fenway, or Baltimore's Memorial stadium first I wouldn't be saying anything (just like I'm not mentioning the Stones, Who, Janis, Grand Funk Railroad, Jethro Tull and all the others through the years that played Shea

Edgy DC Aug 24 2006 01:29 PM

Police.

Yancy Street Gang Aug 24 2006 01:34 PM

I think one of the first rules in designing an efficient parking lot is that you should make sure to clutter it up with a lot of statues of baseball players and replicas of rock concert stages. If it was a park, it would be great to have statues of Jesse Orosco and Tom Seaver and Bruce Boisclair, but it's a parking lot. And the primary concern has to be the timely movement of automobiles from the parking spots to the exits. That's why I prefer painted asphalt. Give us the outline of the infield, and the pitcher's mound, and the outfield walls. The images that Scarlett shared from St. Louis are also a good idea; they're flat to the ground and don't impede traffic flow. If I was to drive to an Orioles game, I wouldn't want to have to navigate my way around a statue of Boog Powell. And as much as I loved 1986, I don't want to be stuck in my car behind Jesse Orosco either.

cooby Aug 24 2006 01:34 PM

Okay, I will concede (in fact I would have right from the start if you had worded it better) that the Beatles deserve a recognition award for Shea Stadium history. But please don't come to a Mets forum and tell a bunch of people who aren't even old enough to remember said concert that it's the Most Memorable Event Held There Ever!, because to us, it ain't.

G-Fafif Aug 24 2006 01:36 PM

Edgy DC wrote: And it's not about the pope. The Mets are bigger than Jesus. How about something to commemorate how often "Oh Christ!" was uttered at the sight of John Franco?

Yancy Street Gang Aug 24 2006 01:38 PM

We've mentioned Seaver and Orosco and John and Paul (and John Paul) but Shea was also the home of Joe Namath.

G-Fafif Aug 24 2006 01:39 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I think one of the first rules in designing an efficient parking lot is that you should make sure to clutter it up with a lot of statues of baseball players and replicas of rock concert stages. Just take care that the parking space where it got through Buckner doesn't become a cracked reservoir for puddles and, otherwise, leave room for, ou know...cars.

cooby Aug 24 2006 01:40 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 24 2006 01:40 PM

Now that would be a cool giant sized statue. You could drive between his legs, maybe. Pretend you're "THE ball"

G-Fafif Aug 24 2006 01:40 PM

cooby wrote: A rock concert has more historical significance than a baseball team who has played in the same stadium for 40+ years and has won two World Series there. Please update the World Series won total between now and 2009.

Iubitul Aug 24 2006 01:41 PM

G-Fafif wrote: ="Edgy DC"]And it's not about the pope. The Mets are bigger than Jesus. How about something to commemorate how often "Oh Christ!" was uttered at the sight of John Franco? In my family, much worse was uttered....

cooby Aug 24 2006 01:41 PM

Don't worry, I'll be keeping track!

seawolf17 Aug 24 2006 01:51 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: We've mentioned Seaver and Orosco and John and Paul (and John Paul) but Shea was also the home of Joe Namath. Never heard of him. Wait! That's the drunk old man who tried to kiss Suzy Kolber!

Edgy DC Aug 24 2006 01:59 PM

He actually meant "home of Joe Namath" literally. Jeff Wilpon found him sleeping under one of the ramps last week.

Willets Point Aug 24 2006 02:06 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: We've mentioned Seaver and Orosco and John and Paul (and John Paul) Do you think anyone actually heard the Pope over all those screaming Catholics? Any markers in the parking lot would go on the meridians, naturally, not in the parking spots.

metsmarathon Aug 24 2006 02:43 PM

]there should be small statues where the mound is of Tom Seaver and Jesse Orosco on his knees after the final out of 1986. tom on the mound, and jesse on he knees, right in front of him. that's quite an image they'd be putting there, no? what the heck is a ryman auditorium? i'm a freakin' mets fan, fer chrissakes! the 715 marker is relevant culturally, BUT ALSO it is relevant to the sport of baseball. also, it would be cool if our monuments went unsponsored. would we need to get the rights from michael jackson to put a beatles statue in the parking lot? julio franco was six years old in 1964. damn.

HahnSolo Aug 24 2006 02:51 PM

The Beatles also played the Forest Hills tennis stadium two years before they played Shea -- an outdoor stadium, albeit a smaller one. Does that mean when they tear that place down they should put a Beatles plaque up there? Is the Beatles appearance there more important than all the US Opens contested there? [url]http://www.rarebeatles.com/photopg7/fh82864.htm[/url] edit: the Beatles also played Municipal Stadium in Kansas City, then the home of the Chiefs, before they played Shea the first time.

Yancy Street Gang Aug 24 2006 02:54 PM

There isn't even a plaque outside the Ed Sullivan Theater mentioning the Beatles' appearance there, nor Elvis Presley's for that matter. If any spot in New York should have a Beatles plaque, I'd think it would be the Ed Sullivan Theater.

SteveJRogers Aug 24 2006 05:59 PM

HahnSolo wrote: The Beatles also played the Forest Hills tennis stadium two years before they played Shea -- an outdoor stadium, albeit a smaller one. Does that mean when they tear that place down they should put a Beatles plaque up there? Is the Beatles appearance there more important than all the US Opens contested there? [url]http://www.rarebeatles.com/photopg7/fh82864.htm[/url] edit: the Beatles also played Municipal Stadium in Kansas City, then the home of the Chiefs, before they played Shea the first time. Then that blows a hole in my argument. Hmmmm... Shea does get all the glory though YSG: ]There isn't even a plaque outside the Ed Sullivan Theater mentioning the Beatles' appearance there, nor Elvis Presley's for that matter. If any spot in New York should have a Beatles plaque, I'd think it would be the Ed Sullivan Theater. Ditto! Real shame that that old place was in shambles for alot of years before Dave Letterman moved in back in 94ish. Should have been some sort of pop-culture museum or shrine

SteveJRogers Aug 24 2006 06:10 PM

metsmarathon wrote: what the heck is a ryman auditorium? i'm a freakin' mets fan, fer chrissakes! Home of a famous radio program out of Nashville from the late 20's till it moved to a much better and bigger locale in the early 1970's [url=http://www.grandoleopry.com/]WSM in Nashville's Grand Ole Opry[/url] [url=http://www.wsm650.com/]WSM[/url] once blanketed the country, much like KMOX did for the growth of Cardinal Nation, Grand Ole Opry did for country music and still airs the country broadcast today, though you can also catch it on Great American Country TV as well as Sirrus satilite radio All of the genres legends, and even some branched music played there. From The Carter Family, Hank Williams, Patsy Cline, George Jones, Johnny Cash, Bob Dylan (yes even him,) Conway Twitty, Vince Gill, Alan Jackson, Tim McGraw, Gretchen Wilson, ect The old bulding is still in use (actually is a church, not sure if its still used in that particular fashion) and my point was more people will shed a tear for that, than the Titans home stadium, even though one of the greatest plays in NFC championship game history happened there (unless of course the Titans start rolling with Vince Young and it becomes a Southern Lambaeu or something)

metsmarathon Aug 24 2006 06:51 PM

well, its not like it was the superbowl...

SteveJRogers Aug 24 2006 06:56 PM

metsmarathon wrote: well, its not like it was the superbowl... Heh, I was trying to say more people have a connection with music than sports. Tear down Giants Stadium or tear down some Jersey Shore dive where all the legends played (Bruce, Watts, Southside, ect) and more people will be up in arms over the place that Bruce Springsteen once played rather than the place that Bill Parcells got doused with Gatorade Yes I know The Boss regularly does concerts at Giants Stadium =;)

Gwreck Aug 24 2006 06:59 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: The old bulding is still in use (actually is a church, not sure if its still used in that particular fashion) It's used as an auditorium for concerts. It's a mega-cool place to see a show.