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The fate of Steve Trachsel

What should be done with Steve Trachsel?

Not on the postseason roster, consider bringing him back next year.	4 votes
In the postseason rotation, consider bringing him back next year.	3 votes
In the postseason bullpen, consider bringing him back next year.	1 votes
Not on the postseason roster, don't bring him back next year.	7 votes
In the postseason rotation, don't bring him back next year.	5 votes
In the postseason bullpen, don't bring him back next year.	10 votes

Yancy Street Gang Sep 11 2006 09:50 AM

What should be done with Steve Trachsel? I considered adding a "wait and see" option, but opted not to. Let's assume the decision has to be made today. In your comments, you can add any hedging, such as, "Well, if he pitches shutouts in his next three starts..."

metirish Sep 11 2006 10:00 AM

I voted in the rotation and consider bringing him back next year,I like Steve and think it would be a shame if he were not on the post-season roster,having said that though he is not making that decision easy,but as he said himself he has had four good months and a few bad starts so I think he'll make it.

duan Sep 11 2006 10:13 AM

y'know what, I'm going with my gut here and saying that I think he's a bad playoff bet and that I'd rather take my chances with someone like John Maine, David Williams or Oliver Perez as my fourth starter in the playoffs if we need one. I also don't see the point in bringing him back next year unless it's very cheap. I know there's a value in innings munching but it ain't that high.

Yancy Street Gang Sep 11 2006 10:16 AM

Duan didn't say it explicitly, but I think he voted the way I did: Not on the postseason roster, don't bring him back next year. I'd consider Maine or Williams as the fourth starter. And I'd use a fourth starter as little as possible.

Valadius Sep 11 2006 10:41 AM

He's been with us for a while, but let's face it, the rotation is getting old, and Trax is standing in the way of a Pelfrey or an Oliver Perez being in the rotation full-time. He's still serviceable, but let him go after this year.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 11 2006 10:42 AM

If you're gonna use 13 or 14 different starting pitchers in the regular season, someone's going to wind up disappointed at the postseason and Trachsel has just been too unreliable. That said, I'm guessing this poll assumes that ... y'know ... one of the starters is Pedro.

Vic Sage Sep 11 2006 10:44 AM

my antipathy for Trax goes way back. I've given him a free pass for a while, but i'm happy to take this opportunity to dump on him. His pitching style is not only tedious, its cowardly. He gets ahead, and then slowwwwly nibbles. I can't count the number of times he's walked a guy who he had 0-2. And thats on his good days, when he's able to get ahead in the first place. His results (in terms of peripherals) have only ever been (at best) league average, and often below average. I don't think the fact that the Mets have scored a huge amount of runs in most of his starts this year should be allowed to disguise that fact. His useless in the pen, due to his reported need for a long warmup period. I don't think you want to see him pitching a game 3 or 4 against a good team in the playoffs.

MFS62 Sep 11 2006 10:57 AM

]I ... think it would be a shame if he were not on the post-season roster I agree. Its one of those "long and meritorious service" kinds of things. But I would bury him in the bullpen. If he has to pitch, then the Mets have deeper issues than whether or not he is on the roster. As for next year, I don't know the specifics of his contract. If the Mets could retain his services without spending a lot of money (cheap ooption clause), then keep him. That way, if some of the youngsters aren't ready next Spring, he would be cheap insurance until they are. If this would be a costly option, or the Mets would be in a situation where they'd be limited in how much they can cut him (see Piazza, Mike) , I'd let him go. Later

RealityChuck Sep 11 2006 11:30 AM

I'm not sure if Trachsel is able to pitch out of the bullpen -- he may take too long to warm up and be only useful as a mop-up man. But there's no need to renew his contract. The team has better, younger options.

Edgy DC Sep 11 2006 12:14 PM

duan wrote: y'know what, I'm going with my gut here and saying that I think he's a bad playoff bet and that I'd rather take my chances with someone like John Maine, David Williams or Oliver Perez as my fourth starter in the playoffs if we need one. I also don't see the point in bringing him back next year unless it's very cheap. I know there's a value in innings munching but it ain't that high. Lookin at the voting stats, we're all over the board on this thing. That said, I hope that Minaya/Randolph/Peterson have more in play than a gut call, even if that's all duan has, or I have. Besides, a gut call is a bad thing to make the morning after the day before, even if his performance was more typical than not.

Gwreck Sep 11 2006 12:45 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: That said, I'm guessing this poll assumes that ... y'know ... one of the starters is Pedro. I think that's a fair assumption. He's scheduled to start Friday or Saturday.

martin Sep 11 2006 03:59 PM

his ERA is just too bad to make the cut over maine. i feel bad for the guy, because he apparently really has been waiting his whole career for a chance like this, but he just hasnt pitched as well as maine.

metirish Sep 11 2006 04:03 PM

Of course the one time Trax got to the post-season he got bumped fpr Kerry Wood...it might happen again with Maine...

cooby Sep 11 2006 04:04 PM

That's not fair!

Rotblatt Sep 11 2006 04:25 PM

Frankly, I think Trachs is going to feel shitty either way. If he doesn't make it, he'll feel like he wuz robbed. If he does make it, he'll most likely suck and will feel guilty for letting his team down. It's a lose-lose proposition for Trachs, at least the way he's throwing right now. I don't mind carrying him as an emergency starter, but he's not one of our four best starting pitchers, and from the pen, I'm not sure he'd crack our top ten. In short, there's no place for him EXCEPT as an emergency starter, IMO. Trachs has been great for us over the years, but he's pitched poorly this year, and he's old enough that there's no reason to expect him to improve.

Yancy Street Gang Sep 11 2006 04:30 PM

I'd carry Dave Williams into the NLDS before I would Trachsel. I feel bad for the guy, and for Cliff Floyd too if he's unable to play, but you don't give out playoff roster spots like gold watches as rewards for past service. If either or both of them miss out on the roster, they should certainly get a full playoff share, a ring (if things turn out well), a seat at a victory parade (if things turn out really well) and whatever else the active postseason guys get. But starting October 3 (or 4) it's Mission World Championship. And you have to go with the guys who give you the best chance of winning.

metirish Sep 11 2006 04:30 PM

I wonder when Trax takes the mound lately if he's thinking about all of this.

Yancy Street Gang Sep 11 2006 04:31 PM

I suspect that he is.

duan Sep 12 2006 05:42 AM

so does WIlliams' implosion last night mean its now Tracschel vs Perez/Maine

Yancy Street Gang Sep 12 2006 05:47 AM

Perez will have to pitch another two or three shutouts before I'd put him on the mound in a playoff game. I'd definitely prefer Maine over Perez.

duan Sep 12 2006 08:54 AM

sure; I'm not saying perez' is the solution but does last night rule Williams out?

Edgy DC Sep 12 2006 09:18 AM

I think it certainly knocks him below Trachsel for now.

Yancy Street Gang Sep 12 2006 09:19 AM

It does complicate matters a little.

smg58 Sep 12 2006 10:00 AM

You have to put Williams below Trachsel. At this point I'd be leaning to Maine for the rotation, but I couldn't keep Trachsel off the roster. Certainly you look elsewhere for pitching next year.

MFS62 Sep 12 2006 10:13 AM

Since neither would realistically get a start, Oliver and Williams would be redundant (lefty long-man). And if someone had to "take one for the team" IIRC Feliciano pitched 4 innings in a game during his first go round with the Mets as well as being a LOOGY. Later

old original jb Sep 12 2006 10:17 AM

So that makes Feliciano both a LOOGY and a TOFTTG?

MFS62 Sep 12 2006 10:22 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 12 2006 02:27 PM

old original jb wrote: So that makes Feliciano both a LOOGY and a TOFTTG? Indeed* Later * = the recent hot word of the CPF. Thought I'd jump on the bandwagon.

Edgy DC Sep 12 2006 10:46 AM

I think we can mostly agree about this one: If it comes down to a choice between Steve Trachsel and Dave Williams for a round of the playoffs (not saying it should or will, but if it does), Steve Trachsel doesn't get chosen if our opponent is Los Angeles, and Dave Williams doesn't get chosen if our opponent is Florida.

duan Sep 12 2006 12:16 PM

well both are entirely plausible situations, indeed, one could face LA and THEN the marlins if one were lucky enough to progress. Isn't it fun to be able to debate post-season rosters in SEPTEMBER without worrying that we're going to jinx the whole fucking thing!!!

Yancy Street Gang Sep 28 2006 10:45 AM

With decision time near, it's time to revisit this. Trachsel's had one good recent start, but he's looking better now only because Pedro is looking so much worse.

soupcan Sep 28 2006 10:49 AM

]In the postseason rotation, consider bringing him back next year Do we really have a choice at this point?

Yancy Street Gang Sep 28 2006 10:51 AM

I believe I voted this way originally; Not on the postseason roster, don't bring him back next year. Now, I think the only option other than the one soupcan mentioned is: In the postseason rotation, don't bring him back next year.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 15 2006 10:06 AM

After NLCS Game 3, I've had it with Steve Trachsel. If the series goes to a Game 7, I'd let Darren Oliver start.

Rotblatt Oct 15 2006 10:22 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: After NLCS Game 3, I've had it with Steve Trachsel. If the series goes to a Game 7, I'd let Darren Oliver start. Hell yes.

cooby Oct 15 2006 10:29 AM

I think something was up with him. He looked like his mind was a million miles away.

Willets Point Oct 15 2006 10:35 AM

cooby wrote: I think something was up with him. He looked like his mind was a million miles away. Because Sarah Traschel is sleeping with Pujols? You'd think he'd at least put a pitch behind Prince Albert's ear if that's the case.

cooby Oct 15 2006 10:37 AM

If he tried that, it probably would've hit Pujols on the foot

cleonjones11 Oct 15 2006 11:05 AM

cooby wrote: I think something was up with him. He looked like his mind was a million miles away. He was having animated conversations with himself behind the mound after every negative event. Hit bit his glove and either broke a tooth or cut his lip if anyone caught that when being taken out..

cooby Oct 15 2006 11:19 AM

Yeah, that's just what I mean, he seemed to be under some really bad emotional stress. I think he was fighting back tears there at the end, and that's kinda sad to see. By the way, sorry about your kitty.

MFS62 Oct 15 2006 11:25 AM

Is it related to the "personal matters" that he left the team to attend to at season's end? I never saw those matters defined. Is it marriage related? No wonder they guy's a wreck. Later

OlerudOwned Oct 15 2006 11:27 AM

cooby wrote: I think something was up with him. He looked like his mind was a million miles away. He looked like he couldn't hit the strike zone, like usual, and it compunded because it was the NLCS.

holychicken Oct 15 2006 12:01 PM

I am sure there are numerous fans right now that want "sleep him with the fishes" added to this poll.

Valadius Oct 15 2006 12:49 PM

It's probably marriage-related.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 15 2006 01:05 PM

We should put a picture of Cruella D'Evil under Sarah Trachsel's name in Wifey Watch.

*62 Oct 15 2006 01:09 PM

Trachsel should never pitch for the Mets, in New York, again. There's no way in hell you can have your starting pitcher booed AT HOME in a World Series Game Seven; it's just fkng bad karma, Man. He should be good and fresh for mop up duty if Perez takes a dump. Trax's Mets days are done, IMO.

*62 Oct 15 2006 01:12 PM

OlerudOwned wrote: ="cooby"]I think something was up with him. He looked like his mind was a million miles away. He looked like he couldn't hit the strike zone, like usual, and it compunded because it was the NLCS. Ten of twelve hitters reached base against him and he was lucky to pick Eckstien off. Stick a fork in him. I gave him a lot of credit over his Mets career for the things he does right but he sh!t the bed in the first two important, or "big", games of his entire career. C ya !!

Edgy DC Oct 15 2006 01:14 PM

*62 wrote: Trachsel should never pitch for the Mets, in New York, again. There's no way in hell you can have your starting pitcher booed AT HOME in a World Series Game Seven; it's just fkng bad karma, Man. He should be good and fresh for mop up duty if Perez takes a dump. Trax's Mets days are done, IMO. God help us if the boobirds get to decide anything.

soupcan Oct 15 2006 01:27 PM

="Yancy Street Gang"]We should put a picture of Cruella D'Evil under Sarah Trachsel's name in Wifey Watch. Totally agree. Sarah Trachsel

Yancy Street Gang Oct 17 2006 09:50 AM Trach takes another beating

Jeff Brantley trashes Steve Trachsel in this morning's Daily News: ] Trach takes another beating BY ADAM RUBIN DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER ST. LOUIS - Before Steve Trachsel tried to return to a mound last night to test his bruised right thigh, the Game 3 starter and loser defended himself from allegations his awful performance - and not an injury - prompted him to leave his first career NLCS start. "I don't think that's fair, considering I've been waiting 13 years for this opportunity, and I've never done that ever, ever, ever," Trachsel said. Trachsel left Saturday's game against the Cardinals in the second inning without recording an out, after getting struck on the right thigh by a Preston Wilson comebacker, then walking Albert Pujols. He raised eyebrows even in his own clubhouse for motioning to Willie Randolph and trainer Ray Ramirez to pull him. He was charged with five runs, after which Darren Oliver hurled six scoreless innings. Trachsel was charged with all five runs in St. Louis' 5-0 victory. Trachsel said the thigh stiffened to the point he couldn't pitch, but critics - including ESPN's Jeff Brantley, a major-league pitcher for 14 seasons - labeled him soft. Trachsel leaving the game couldn't have come at a worse time for the overtaxed bullpen, though Oliver's relief performance bailed them out. Brantley, a "Baseball Tonight" analyst, continued to tear into Trachsel yesterday, telling the Daily News: "I know what it's like to get hit with a line drive. I know what it's like to pitch with your shoulder torn up. I know what it's like to be out there in a lot of different circumstances. And I played with guys who, when the first thing is not perfect with them, they don't want to take the ball. That's what I saw in that situation. I believe I'm totally correct. I don't think I'm the only one who feels that way. Otherwise there wouldn't be talk of Darren Oliver starting Game 7. I don't think the team has confidence in Trachsel after that outing. I don't believe that Willie Randolph does, whether he says (so) or not. That was a place in time where a ballclub really needed a guy to step up and perform and he did not do that." Trachsel yesterday expressed confidence he could contribute again in the NLCS, yet the Mets appear prepared to turn to Oliver over him for the Game 7 start if the series goes the distance, though they've made no formal announcement. Trachsel, a pending free agent, clearly is in his final days as a Met, no matter how he and Randolph publicly define their relationship. He lasted only 3-1/3 innings in the division series against the Dodgers before Randolph pulled him. "I was pretty miffed with the fact he came out of the game," Brantley said about the latest outing. "I don't believe that ball hit back up the middle was a significant enough blow to him for him to take himself out of the game. With the way the bullpen had been stretched out the night before and the fact the New York Mets club has already lost two starters that can't pitch, it looked very questionable to me as to whether he really wanted to be out there in that ballgame." As for any swelling, Trachsel said: "It's gone down, definitely. I haven't done any running or anything like that. I was planning to do it today." Tom Glavine starts tonight's Game 5 against Jeff Weaver, with both pitchers now on standard rest because of last night's rainout. Tomorrow at Shea, John Maine will oppose Chris Carpenter in Game 6. Randolph remained noncommittal on Game 7, noting the Mets would do everything to wrap up the series before then. But provided Oliver isn't pressed into duty before then, and if the teams split the next two games, the reliever should make his first start as a Met, team sources quietly acknowledged. "I'm just trying to be available for whatever we need at this point," Trachsel said. "The doctors don't think it should be an issue, and I don't really believe it will be." Oliver threw 72 pitches Saturday, raising the question about whether he'd be able to bounce back on Thursday. Randolph expressed no concerns. "He said he felt good (Sunday), as a matter of fact," Randolph said. "I always check with the guys the day after. He was maybe a little sore like most guys, but he said he felt fine."

metirish Oct 17 2006 09:55 AM

I think Brantley went over the top on this, how is he to know how hurt or stiff Trax felt after taking the line drive, having said that Trax is getting hammered in just about every paper today.

Edgy DC Oct 17 2006 10:12 AM

]I believe I'm totally correct. Wow.

cooby Oct 17 2006 10:15 AM

You know, if the poor guy just wanted to be taken out because he knew that by staying in, he'd just make things worse, this really isn't fair. They should let him alone. And waiting three days to trash him certainly doesn't help either. Maybe by now he was starting to calm down.

MFS62 Oct 17 2006 10:21 AM

I haven't seen any article about why he left the team the last week of the season. All I've read is "family matters". Speculation has ranged from an illness of a family member to his wife is about to file for divorce. But it was important enough to have him miss his last season start/ tune-up. And there have been a lot of articles about how he has to be in a set routine to pitch well. (Well, as well as he pitches) Whatever, it has taken his concentration away from the game. I'm sure the details will be known soon. Later

Edgy DC Oct 17 2006 10:23 AM

MFS62 wrote: Whatever, it has taken his concentration away from the game. I don't think we know that.

Frayed Knot Oct 17 2006 10:23 AM

Not all that surprising. Brantley seems to have grabbed (been assigned?) the macho guy role on 'BB2N' - right down to his moniker on that show of 'Cowboy' (one I've never heard anywhere else). I was listening to him talk a while back about relievers/closers and he was making the usual point about 9th innings being "different" than others yyybbb. A debatable point certainly, but nothing too unusual about hearing it from a pundit or ex-player. Until, that is, he launches into how that difference affected him in his reliever days claiming that he was the type who needed that kind of pressure to the point where, while he'd sometimes give up runs in non-save-type situations, he NEVER coughed it up when the game was on the line in the 9th because he was able to set his mind to the task. Call me cynical but I'm betting that claim wouldn't stand up to even semi-close scrutiny.

metirish Oct 17 2006 10:24 AM

Maybe I have missd it but I've read or seen anyone on the team come out and defend Trax.

MFS62 Oct 17 2006 10:28 AM

Edgy DC wrote: ="MFS62"]Whatever, it has taken his concentration away from the game. I don't think we know that. Five walks in one inning plus? I'd think that was a pretty good indication that something was bothering him. That's not the Steve we've come to know. Maybe I should have put "IMO" in there somewhere. Later

Edgy DC Oct 17 2006 10:29 AM

Wel, sheesh, when did this article come out? Willie deflected the story and Trachs is a man and that's as much as you can hope for. The Mets have better things to do than get in team-wide battles with Jeff Freakin' Brantley. From an earlier Rubin piece: ]Like her husband, Trachsel's wife, Sarah, had no interest in discussing her marriage, telling the Daily News by phone from Malibu, Calif.: "That's none of your business." She said she was "absolutely not" filing for divorce, adding: "Don't call here again."

metsmarathon Oct 17 2006 10:37 AM

i'm disappointed that a former player would come out on the side of "if a guy does poorly, its because he didn't really care enough to do well" sometimes you don't have it. sometimes you have a shitty day, and can't get a single ball to go where you want it to. that doesn't mean you're not busting your ass to get the ball to go where you want it to, or that you're not trying your damnedest to play and perform. he sounds just like the rest of the armchair idiots who think that the results of an athletic performance are tied directly to the desire of an athlete to perform in that instance, with no other influencing factors. trachsel sucked. no doubt. for that reason there should be questions about wether or not you want him to pitch game 7 if needed. i don't think we need to start inferring his level of desire or manhood based on this. and SECONDLY... lets say trachsel went out there and knew he had nothing. couldn't get the ball to where he wanted it. couldn't get a damned guy out. and he knew it wouldn't get better, cos he just couldn't get a feel for the ball. try as he might. how long should he stayed out there waiting for the manager and pitching coach to see what he already knew? hmm? wouldn't we be killing him MORE if he stayed out there for the rest of that inning, game up four MORE runs, and removed any doubt about wether or not our offense could get us back into the game? there's no benefit to the team by him continuing to toe the rubber when he knows he's not right, and can't get the job done. i want my athletes to tell me when they honestly can't get it done. that way those who can will have the chance to. but jeff freakin' brantley knows steve trachsel's body better than he does, and jeff freakin' brantley knows for damned sure that steve trachsel was just being a wussy little girl, and that his thigh didnt really hurt and wasn't really bruised, and couldn't possibly have affected his delivery or his mechanics. sure thing, jeff.

metirish Oct 17 2006 10:40 AM

Didn't Bartolo Colon come out in the first inning of a playoff series last season?,did Brantley hammer him as soft too?

metsmarathon Oct 17 2006 10:47 AM

="Frayed Knot"]Not all that surprising. Brantley seems to have grabbed (been assigned?) the macho guy role on 'BB2N' - right down to his moniker on that show of 'Cowboy' (one I've never heard anywhere else). I was listening to him talk a while back about relievers/closers and he was making the usual point about 9th innings being "different" than others yyybbb. A debatable point certainly, but nothing too unusual about hearing it from a pundit or ex-player. Until, that is, he launches into how that difference affected him in his reliever days claiming that he was the type who needed that kind of pressure to the point where, while he'd sometimes give up runs in non-save-type situations, he NEVER coughed it up when the game was on the line in the 9th because he was able to set his mind to the task. Call me cynical but I'm betting that claim wouldn't stand up to even semi-close scrutiny. jeff brantley was 23 of 28 save opportunities in 2000. and i'm just gonna guess, since the record for consecutively converted save opportunities is not held by him and does not stand at about one hundred and fifty, that he actually may have coughed it up when the game was on the line. but that's just a hunch. purely speculative...

HahnSolo Oct 17 2006 11:41 AM

At the risk of getting hammered as bad as Trachsel in game 3, I'm coming out and endorsing Trachsel as the game 7 (if necessary) starter, as long as he's healthy. Guessing here, but I would bet that Darren Oliver would be the first person to ever start a Game 7 (if necessary) without having made a single start all season. Do we really want to risk that? My reasonings for Trax in Game 7 (if necessary): - this is subjective, but I have a hard time believing that he's not chomping at the bit to redeem himself. He did win 15 games this year. And I believe he'll be alright...and I think the Shea crowd will be behind him at the start. - If Trax has another poor outing, Oliver will be there, just like he has all season to pick the starter up. If Oliver starts and struggles, I don't think you can count on Trax to come out of the bullpen (different mentality and all that) to right the ship. - Willie's talked all year about "these are my guys, these are my guys; we'll do what we've done all year." Panicking and starting Oliver, IMO, goes against that.

Edgy DC Oct 17 2006 11:44 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 17 2006 11:58 AM

If he's healthy, I go with him. Trax has rebounded from a crap outing more times than I can count. If he doesn't have it, all hands will be on deck, and Willie is clearly not shy about a quick hook.

cooby Oct 17 2006 11:44 AM

I wish Trachsel could read this; I think we are the only supporters he has

metirish Oct 17 2006 11:48 AM

] I wish Trachsel could read this; I think we are the only supporters he has I believe Trax when he says this.. ] I don't think that's fair, considering I've been waiting 13 years for this opportunity, and I've never done that ever, ever, ever," It's quite a contrast when you compare how Delgado is doing after waiting his whole career to play in the postseason like Trax has. I feel bad for the guy even though he stank.

cooby Oct 17 2006 11:53 AM

Somebody should invite him here. Yancy.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 17 2006 12:06 PM

="HahnSolo"] If Trax has another poor outing, Oliver will be there, just like he has all season to pick the starter up. If Oliver starts and struggles, I don't think you can count on Trax to come out of the bullpen (different mentality and all that) to right the ship. Oliver coming in after Trachsel has given up five runs doesn't help win the game, though. I'd let Oliver start, and if he struggles, then it's all hands on deck. Trachsel's had two bad outings in a row. I don't want to see him start Game 7. The Cards are weak against lefties. They're strong against Trachsel. Oliver's not ideal, but we saw him go six scoreless innings. That's as good as a start to me.

Johnny Dickshot Oct 17 2006 12:08 PM

And Oliver's had one (1) good outing in a row. Leading up to that appearance, Oliver's been pretty bad dating back to September. It's all hands on deck anyway. Were it up to me I'd prolly give Trax the ball with the understanding that the second he encounters trouble Oliver's there. Of course if Ollie starts the same thing applies.

Edgy DC Oct 17 2006 12:17 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 17 2006 12:30 PM

Yeah, the idea isn't to allow Trax to dig a five-run hole. But Trachsel in support of Oliver seems far more desperate than Ollie is support of Trachsel. If Ollie chokes, you send Trachs out there as an undermined starter who has made all of one relief appearance (1995) in his career?

metirish Oct 17 2006 12:18 PM

What happens if we need a longman tonight or for game six?,that would throw a spanner in the works.

Edgy DC Oct 17 2006 12:32 PM

We say "fly in the ointment" over here. One more foreign dialectal expression out of you, buddy, and... The game at hand is a top priority. If the Mets can win by runnnig Oliver out there, they do. Perez, as it stands, is also a longman in the pen. And if mopup duty calls, nobody will be shy about stretching Roberto Hernandez.

metirish Oct 17 2006 12:38 PM

] Perez, as it stands, is also a longman in the pen. So game seven could be started by Oliver with Perez as the longman...Oliver / Perez...cool.

smg58 Oct 17 2006 01:20 PM

I'm with Edgy and cooby as far as giving Trachsel the chance to start goes. I also think Oliver has to be ready very quickly if Steve runs into trouble.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 17 2006 01:21 PM

Things will be so much nicer if the Mets can win tonight and tomorrow. Thursday's game is looking like a desperate mess.

cooby Oct 17 2006 01:23 PM

Maybe that will happen :)

MFS62 Oct 17 2006 01:30 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Things will be so much nicer if the Mets can win tonight and tomorrow. Thursday's game is looking like a desperate mess. As I posted in the Quotes of 2006 thread: ]When asked yesterday about who would start game 7 of the NLCS, Traschel or Oliver, Willie Randolph said: "The best thing we can do is win this in six". Willie seems to agree with you. So do we all. Later

Yancy Street Gang Oct 17 2006 01:32 PM

The thought of a Game 7 is as frightening, for different reasons, as it was in the 1986 NLCS. Of course, if the Mets lose tonight (must... not... happen...) we'll be desperately hoping for a Game 7, rather than rooting against it.

MFS62 Oct 17 2006 01:36 PM

="Yancy Street Gang"]The thought of a Game 7 is as frightening, for different reasons, as it was in the 1986 NLCS. Hey! You just came up with another 1986/2006 similarity for that thread. Later

Nymr83 Oct 17 2006 03:32 PM

I'd start Traschel but i'd have a guy warming the entire game and ready to make a quick hook, and i mean QUICK. if he walks the 1st two batters he does not face Pujols. if he lets 3 men on in any inning he's out of here. Oliver and Perez 1-2-3 Hernandez 5-6 Bradford 5-6 Mota 7 Heilman 8 Wagner 9 Feliciano- a big lefty anywhere from the 4th to 7th

dinosaur jesus Oct 17 2006 04:01 PM

The fate of Steve Trachsel? If he pitches again like he did last time, defenestration.

MFS62 Oct 17 2006 04:03 PM

dinosaur jesus wrote: The fate of Steve Trachsel? If he pitches again like he did last time, defenestration. What is Defenestration? The act of throwing something or someone out of a window. Nice word. Later

Yancy Street Gang Oct 17 2006 04:05 PM

I think that was popular in Florence during the Middle Ages. Popular for the throwers and the fans, if not for the defenestrated.

Willets Point Oct 17 2006 04:43 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I think that was popular in Florence during the Middle Ages. Popular for the throwers and the fans, if not for the defenestrated. Depends on where they land.