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METS GAME USED JERSEYS FOR SALE!!!

NYGAMEUSED Sep 21 2006 08:19 AM

Dear Members we are new to this forum but we are not new to many other baseball forums and the Baseball Hobby community. We are a huge seller on ebay for years, you can check our excellent feedback. Here is our ebay id - spendyour$ You can see for yourself some of our items. You can also contact us directly if you would like to see pictures and/or have any questions - admin@gameuseddirect.com Here are Mets Game Used items we have in stock: Mets Game Used Jerseys / Pants 2005 Mets Miguel Cairo Road Game Used Jersey Steiner LOA 2005 Mets Kris Benson Home White Alternate Game Used Jersey Steiner LOA 2005 Mets Benito Santiago Road Black Alternate Game Issued Jersey Steiner LOA 2004 Mets Pedro Feliciano Game Used ST Jersey Steiner LOA 2004 Mets Chris Basak Game Used ST Jersey Steiner LOA 2004 Mets Allen Watson Game Used ST Jersey Steiner LOA 2005 Mets Jose Offerman Game Used BP Jersey Steiner LOA 2005 Mets Joe Nelson Game Used BP Jersey Steiner LOA 2005 Mets Joe Hieptas Game Used BP Jersey Steiner LOA 2005 Mets Aaron Baldaris Game Used BP Jersey Steiner LOA 2005 Mets Dan Warthen Game Used BP Jersey Steiner LOA 2005 Mets John Pachot Game Used BP Jersey Steiner LOA 2003 Cyclones (NY Mets minor league) Tim Teufel (Mgr) Game Used Pants 2006 Cyclones (NY Mets minor League) Team Autographed 27 Auto's Game Used bat Mets Jaime Cerda Game Used Batting Helmet Steiner LOA Mets Jose Offerman Game Used Batting Helmet Steiner LOA Just came in - From the 1986 World Series Reunion Ceremony Game on August 19th & 20th 2006 - all come with Steiner LOA Aaron Heillman 1986 Game Used Throwback Jersey Roberto Hernandez 1986 Game Used Throwback Jersey Endy Chavez 1986 Game Used Throwback Jersey John Maine 1986 Game Used Throwback Jersey Jose Valetin 1986 Game Used Throwback Jersey Ricky Ledee 1986 Game Used Throwback Jersey If you have any question you can contact us - admin@gameuseddirect.com

Frayed Knot Sep 21 2006 08:21 AM

Go away!

Benjamin Grimm Sep 21 2006 08:23 AM

I wonder what a Steiner LOA is?

soupcan Sep 21 2006 08:26 AM

I'm guessing 'Letter of Authentification'. And I have absolutely no use for this: Ricky Ledee 1986 Game Used Throwback Jersey

Benjamin Grimm Sep 21 2006 08:29 AM

I'm not interested in any of that stuff. I wouldn't even be interested in a game-used Jerry Koosman jersey from the fifth game of the 1969 World Series. I have enough old clothing in my closet that I'm not likely to wear.

metirish Sep 21 2006 08:29 AM

I can't imagine anyone wanting Tim Teufel's game used pants.

metsmarathon Sep 21 2006 08:31 AM

wow, i'll bet that John Pachot jersey is a hot hot hot seller!

soupcan Sep 21 2006 08:31 AM

I wonder if they could get me a Ron Hodges game-used spit cup. With an 'LOA' of course.

Frayed Knot Sep 21 2006 08:32 AM

Letters/certificates of Authenticity are great! First, a guy wants to sell you a jersey that he claims is legit -- and, to prove that it's legit, you get a slip of paper verifying it ... from that same guy!! Oh, well NOW I believe you.

NYGAMEUSED Sep 21 2006 08:40 AM

Frayed Knot - are you serious do you know who the Mets are? Are you even a fan of the Mets???? You do not know who Steiner / Mets Collectibes are? Have you been to a game this year? Amazing how people can speak out of the side of there neck and not have a clue!!! Like I said I am new to this forum, but not to others and in other forums rule of thumb is even "If you dont have anything nice to say dont say it at all" I see that goes right out the window here!!! To those who would like to be educated The Game Used Collectiong hobby is huge and becoming bigger then Collecting Baseball Cards. The great thing about this hobby is you can actually own a ersey or Baseball bat of some of your favotite players that were actually used in a Game. For investment purposes - these items do go up in vaule and is another reason why people collect them. If you have any questions you may contact me as posted earlier.

metirish Sep 21 2006 08:42 AM

Hilarious...yeah FK do you fuckin know anything about the Mets?...do you even follow them?.....

cooby Sep 21 2006 08:43 AM

just when I thought today was going to be dull...

HahnSolo Sep 21 2006 08:49 AM

Was Benito Santiago ever a Met? I don't remember him from last year? Did he come to spring training or something? And I'm fairly certain Allen Watson's Met days were over long before 2004. Or maybe I should just ignore this message.

soupcan Sep 21 2006 08:50 AM

NYGAMEUSED wrote: For investment purposes - these items do go up in vaule and is another reason why people collect them. This is exactly why I've emptied my 401K and put everything I have into Mark Bomback's game-used underwear. It's huge and gettin' huger!

Benjamin Grimm Sep 21 2006 08:51 AM

I didn't recognize the Steiner name at first, but now I do remember Chris Cotter interviewing some Steiner guy on SNY. But it's laughable to think that knowlege of Steiner an integral part of following the Mets. I don't agree that these things will increase in value. Knowing that Steiner is officially affiliated with the Mets makes it more likely that the jerseys are legitimate. But on the other hand, can't somebody forge a letter from Steiner? And even if I bought a Ricky Ledee jersey and was fully confident that it was authentic, wouldn't I have similar trouble selling it years from now? Would my buyer believe me when I say that I got the letter from Steiner, a company that was affiliated with the Mets back in 2006? There's been so much fraud in the collectibles industry that I can't see it as a wise investment. Buy for fun, if you think it's fun, but don't buy anything planning to make money on it later on.

Frayed Knot Sep 21 2006 08:52 AM

NYGAMEUSED wrote: Frayed Knot - are you serious do you know who the Mets are? Are you even a fan of the Mets???? The Met, that's where the stage operas right? ]You do not know who Steiner / Mets Collectibes are? Have you been to a game this year? I do, I have. ]Amazing how people can speak out of the side of there neck and not have a clue!!! Usually people accuse me of talking out of other body parts, but they know me better. ]Like I said I am new to this forum, So you decided to enter it by spamming? ]but not to others and in other forums rule of thumb is even "If you dont have anything nice to say dont say it at all" I see that goes right out the window here!!! Depends on the entrance. ]To those who would like to be educated Educated? Is that what they're calling sales pitches these days? ]The Game Used Collectiong hobby is huge and becoming bigger then Collecting Baseball Cards. The great thing about this hobby is you can actually own a ersey or Baseball bat of some of your favotite players that were actually used in a Game. R thay also autogaffed by our favotite playaz? ]For investment purposes - these items do go up in vaule and is another reason why people collect them. Tell that top the guy who bought that Bonds ball. These things will go up in value ... unless they don't. ]If you have any questions you may contact me as posted earlier. I'll get right on it

NYGAMEUSED Sep 21 2006 08:53 AM

soupcan well to let you know one of Mickey Mantles Game Used Jersey just sold for over $200,000 I think thats a nice sum of money.

metirish Sep 21 2006 08:55 AM

Mark Bomback is not Mickey Mantle.....

NYGAMEUSED Sep 21 2006 09:06 AM

Dont remember saying Mark Bomback was Mickey Mantle ........nope i checked never did!!!

Benjamin Grimm Sep 21 2006 09:11 AM

Mark Bomback may have said it a few times.

SteveJRogers Sep 21 2006 09:13 AM

I like how this spammer is having give and take, most spammers just post once and thats it BTW, I have a game used Steve J. Rogers # 1 Scarsdale Raiders baseball pullover shirt, worn as a manager/statistician for the 1994 season. Wonder how much that is worth? =;)

Valadius Sep 21 2006 09:19 AM

I love how the dude just singled FK out for no reason. I also love the super-frequent spelling errors and obvious impossibilities in terms of merchandise.

SteveJRogers Sep 21 2006 09:23 AM

="Valadius"]I love how the dude just singled FK out for no reason. I also love the super-frequent spelling errors and obvious impossibilities in terms of merchandise. Well FK sniffed him out as a spammer. Clearly the guy needs to know about RMPL! on this forum

SteveJRogers Sep 21 2006 09:24 AM

BTW, I'm pretty sure the "impossiblities" are Spring Training gear, clearly not marked as such in order to get a higher mark up price, such as Benito Santiago

NYGAMEUSED Sep 21 2006 09:26 AM

You guys can love everything I do, as far as being called a spammer I have to laugh at that!!! I just found this site as I mentioned, I do sell Mets Game Used items, so since I found this METS site wouldnt this be a great place to post items you have that might interest the members. How else would you have liked me to post? It's not like I emailed you each individually with a solicitation to buying my items. I just put up a general post in the forum for anyone who is interested. As far as my spelling errors!!! I have to laugh at that also, cuz im just trying to get the point across but for those of you who have nothing better to do during the day but critique someones grammar GOOD LUCK TO YOU!!!

Edgy DC Sep 21 2006 09:27 AM

Can a batting practice jersey be "game-used"?

Rotblatt Sep 21 2006 09:28 AM

]BTW, I have a game used Steve J. Rogers # 1 Scarsdale Raiders baseball pullover shirt, worn as a manager/statistician for the 1994 season. Wonder how much that is worth? =;) Hey, good idea! Anyone want to buy a game-used Rotblatt #99 Prospect Park Beer League half-sleeve shirt, worn as OF/1B/3B/SS/P/2B for the 2002 season? It's got some authentic beer and coffee stains on it, and I'll sign it for free. Any questions, just shoot me an email!

SteveJRogers Sep 21 2006 09:33 AM

]You guys can love everything I do, as far as being called a spammer I have to laugh at that!!! I just found this site as I mentioned, I do sell Mets Game Used items, so since I found this METS site wouldnt this be a great place to post items you have that might interest the members. How else would you have liked me to post? True you did not provide a link in your post to your ebay store or online store. But advertzing your wares is the definition of spamming, especially if its the first post you ever do on a board. If you imbedded it in the midst of your post about something, then it'd be different. I.e. "Boy those clubhouse gear looks neat this year...blah blah blah...Hey FYI I have my own memorabilia shop online, and a spot on ebay..." Or even if you posted in the Ebay Babules thread (you'd have to search for it, I think its now somewhere on the 4th or 5th page of the main forum)

SteveJRogers Sep 21 2006 09:33 AM

="Edgy DC"]Can a batting practice jersey be "game-used"? Actually yeah it can fit the definition as they double as Spring Training jerseys

NYGAMEUSED Sep 21 2006 09:37 AM

SteveJRogers wrote: BTW, I'm pretty sure the "impossiblities" are Spring Training gear, clearly not marked as such in order to get a higher mark up price, such as Benito Santiago I found this post pretty interesting - If you can read I do state in each description if it is a Batting Practice or Spring Training by putting "BP" or "ST". I would also assume you would want to see the item before you purchase it which would clearly tell you what kind of Jersey it is and would SO CALLED PREVENT ME FROM MARKIING IT UP - unless you just by things without looking at them!!!

Edgy DC Sep 21 2006 09:42 AM

]Actually yeah it can fit the definition as they double as Spring Training jerseys. Maybe. Then full disclosure would require that it's not an actual game but an exhibition game. I had a party this weekend. Some of the people (friends of the guest of honor), I didn't actually know, but I took the time to chat with them. If a stranger showed up at my house, and introduced himself by referring to himself in the plural and pulling out a suitcase full of watches and pitching them to my other guests, my guests would be offended, and I'd tell him as delicately as possible to can it or get lost. And that wouldn't make me the rude one. People come here for discussion. Not marketing.

SteveJRogers Sep 21 2006 09:43 AM

NYGAMEUSED wrote: ="SteveJRogers"]BTW, I'm pretty sure the "impossiblities" are Spring Training gear, clearly not marked as such in order to get a higher mark up price, such as Benito Santiago I found this post pretty interesting - If you can read I do state in each description if it is a Batting Practice or Spring Training by putting "BP" or "ST". I would also assume you would want to see the item before you purchase it which would clearly tell you what kind of Jersey it is and would SO CALLED PREVENT ME FROM MARKIING IT UP - unless you just by things without looking at them!!! Okay, I meant in generally, you're right I quickly glanced in order to answer someone's post saying that it was "impossible" for you to have it.

Edgy DC Sep 21 2006 09:47 AM

NYGAMEUSED wrote: I found this post pretty interesting - If you can read I do state in each description if it is a Batting Practice or Spring Training by putting "BP" or "ST" This sort of condescending chat is getting tiresome. From sombeobody with posts full of spelling errors and abbreviations, it's absurd. LOA means Library of America where I come from. Let''s start over. Welcome to the Crane Pool Forum, a small dedicated group of Mets fans who enjoy in-depth discussion of the Mets, baseball, and various ephemera in the Non-Baseball Fora. Feel free to join in the exchange, but please don't make marketing pitches. This is a commercial-free zone.

NYGAMEUSED Sep 21 2006 09:52 AM

Edgy DC wrote: ="NYGAMEUSED"]I found this post pretty interesting - If you can read I do state in each description if it is a Batting Practice or Spring Training by putting "BP" or "ST" This sort of condescending chat is getting tiresome. From sombeobody with posts full of spelling errors and abbreviations, it's absurd. LOA means Library of America where I come from. Let''s start over. Welcome to the Crane Pool Forum, a small dedicated group of Mets fans who enjoy in-depth discussion of the Mets, baseball, and various ephemera in the Non-Baseball Fora. Feel free to join in the exchange, but please don't make marketing pitches. This is a commercial-free zone.

soupcan Sep 21 2006 09:53 AM Re: METS GAME USED JERSEYS FOR SALE!!!

="NYGAMEUSED"]soupcan well to let you know one of Mickey Mantles Game Used Jersey just sold for over $200,000 I think thats a nice sum of money. $200,000.00 huh? So that's the kind of return I should expect from that Allen Watson jersey, eh? Or maybe the Dan Warthen (Dan Warthen?) jersey would be the better choice to use a college fund for my kids. Did you know that its illegal for a commodities or stock broker to make that kind of statement when solicting a potential client? Do you know why? Because, among other things, its misleading and implies a return on an investment that is completely unrealistic. Now if you were to guarantee that my 'game-used, LOA accompanying memorabilia' would return a significant increased return back to me in a matter of a few years I might be interested. You must have those written guarantees lying around somewhere, right?

NYGAMEUSED Sep 21 2006 09:56 AM

Edgy DC wrote: ="NYGAMEUSED"]I found this post pretty interesting - If you can read I do state in each description if it is a Batting Practice or Spring Training by putting "BP" or "ST" This sort of condescending chat is getting tiresome. From sombeobody with posts full of spelling errors and abbreviations, it's absurd. LOA means Library of America where I come from. Let''s start over. Welcome to the Crane Pool Forum, a small dedicated group of Mets fans who enjoy in-depth discussion of the Mets, baseball, and various ephemera in the Non-Baseball Fora. Feel free to join in the exchange, but please don't make marketing pitches. This is a commercial-free zone. As far as condescending chat - then you need to have a chat with your fellow forum members since they were the ones who started attacking me first. And if I post full of errors - your a big boy im sure you can get over it. LOA - well if thats what it means to you thats great. Starting over im all for it was just trying to give an option to people who were interested, I had no harm intended. So I do not mind starting over, again i wasnt trying to harm anyone, but fur future notice if a new member joins here for whatever reason - dont slam him - you might lose a valuable resource.

SteveJRogers Sep 21 2006 09:57 AM

BTW, the Mets used to have an actual Game Used kiosk on the Field Level at Shea. I wonder if they still sell such memorabillia at the Team Store

NYGAMEUSED Sep 21 2006 10:02 AM Re: METS GAME USED JERSEYS FOR SALE!!!

="soupcan"] ="NYGAMEUSED"]soupcan well to let you know one of Mickey Mantles Game Used Jersey just sold for over $200,000 I think thats a nice sum of money. $200,000.00 huh? So that's the kind of return I should expect from that Allen Watson jersey, eh? Or maybe the Dan Warthen (Dan Warthen?) jersey would be the better choice to use a college fund for my kids. Did you know that its illegal for a commodities or stock broker to make that kind of statement when solicting a potential client? Do you know why? Because, among other things, its misleading and implies a return on an investment that is completely unrealistic. Now if you were to guarantee that my 'game-used, LOA accompanying memorabilia' would return a significant increased return back to me in a matter of a few years I might be interested. You must have those written guarantees lying around somewhere, right? Boy these no clue reponses get better and better. I never said thats the kind of return you will get back from Watson or Warthen just stating a fact the memorabilia can go up pretty nicely in value. For your knowledge a Broker can always state possibilities of anything there is nothing illegal about it, he just can't guarantee it because as e all know nothing in this world is certain As far as buying these items for investment purposes again I was just stating one reason why people collect Game Used memorabilia. I never said it's the only reason. Some die hard Mets fans just like to own an actual piece of there favorite team , some even buy the Jerseys because they have the same last name, There are many different reasons.

SteveJRogers Sep 21 2006 10:04 AM

Oh and most of the stuff would be exactly what you can find at this guy's place. GU stuff (sometimes autoed actually) like BP and ST jerseys, bats and whatnot from "nobody" players BTW, I don't see the words GUARANTEE anywhere, just "they do go up in value" I.e. that 2001 or 2002 Jose Reyes GU ST jersey has probably gone up a very big percentage since 2002 But a 2002 GU ST jersey of a AAA player who would never spend a day in the majors, will not go up in value, just a pretty spiffy piece of Met memorabillia (and pretty cheap as well if you don't mind the unknown name on the back)

Edgy DC Sep 21 2006 10:04 AM

Yeah, but you empty your guns before you start over. ]As far as condescending chat - then you need to have a chat with your fellow forum members since they were the ones who started attacking me first. Listen, introducting yourself with a sales pitch in a new community is rude. Period. If they reacted in kind, sorry, but reconsider your entry. Please. ]And if I post full of errors - your a big boy im sure you can get over it. More condescension. That's not starting over.

NYGAMEUSED Sep 21 2006 10:04 AM

SteveJRogers wrote: BTW, the Mets used to have an actual Game Used kiosk on the Field Level at Shea. I wonder if they still sell such memorabillia at the Team Store Steven the do have a Kiosk there controlled by Steiner where you will pay top dollar for the items.

MFS62 Sep 21 2006 10:05 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 21 2006 10:07 AM

HahnSolo wrote: Was Benito Santiago ever a Met? I don't remember him from last year? Did he come to spring training or something? Yep, spring training, as Steve mentioned in his response. He may have even played a few games at Norfolk. Edit: I just checked the Norfolk season stats. He apparently didn't play there during their regular season. Later

SteveJRogers Sep 21 2006 10:06 AM Re: METS GAME USED JERSEYS FOR SALE!!!

NYGAMEUSED wrote: some even buy the Jerseys because they have the same last name I don't see myself picking up a Rogers #73 for very obvious reasons! Got any Expos Rogers from the late 70's-early 80's? =;)

cooby Sep 21 2006 10:06 AM

]I never said thats the kind of return you will get back from Watson or Warthen just stating a fact the memorabilia can go up pretty nicely in value So it's kinda a bait 'n' switch

NYGAMEUSED Sep 21 2006 10:09 AM Re: METS GAME USED JERSEYS FOR SALE!!!

SteveJRogers wrote: ="NYGAMEUSED"]some even buy the Jerseys because they have the same last name I don't see myself picking up a Rogers #73 for very obvious reasons! Got any Expos Rogers from the late 70's-early 80's? =;) Unfortunately I do not have any Expos Rogers items, But I did recently sell an 2003 All Star Expos Game Issued Jose Vidro Autographed Jersey, not that, that helps

Edgy DC Sep 21 2006 10:10 AM

Santiago was signed in June 2005 after he was released by the Pirates. He never went to spring training with the team. The only games he got into were a handful with Norfolk or perhaps at the extended spring training camp in St. Lucie.

SteveJRogers Sep 21 2006 10:11 AM

cooby wrote: ]I never said thats the kind of return you will get back from Watson or Warthen just stating a fact the memorabilia can go up pretty nicely in value So it's kinda a bait 'n' switch Uh no, just a come on for someone to buy the merchandise. A bait and switch would be saying "I got this GU Jones jersey" and it turns out to be Chris Jones, not Cleon Jones

Willets Point Sep 21 2006 10:15 AM

Ooh, can I join in the Spamma Slamma? Seriously though, you need to do your market research. Read this forum and see how we respond to unsolicited advertising (aka SPAM), before making your pitch. I think you would find that we don't take too kindly to commercial interuption of our friendly discussion of the Mets. If you'd like to join the conversation, welcome abordick!

Edgy DC Sep 21 2006 10:16 AM

Steve, please continue the conversation with NYGAMEUSED by e-mail.

soupcan Sep 21 2006 10:26 AM Re: METS GAME USED JERSEYS FOR SALE!!!

="NYGAMEUSED"]Boy these no clue reponses get better and better. I never said thats the kind of return you will get back from Watson or Warthen just stating a fact the memorabilia can go up pretty nicely in value. No you didn't say that, you implied it, as I stated in my post. ="NYGAMEUSED"]For your knowledge a Broker can always state possibilities of anything there is nothing illegal about it, he just can't guarantee it because as e all know nothing in this world is certain. That's an extremely fine line there my friend, best not to try and walk it lest you fall off it.

cooby Sep 21 2006 10:31 AM

They sure as hell better not be standing in a bank when they are giving these "possibilities".

ScarletKnight41 Sep 21 2006 10:53 AM

In response to your Private Message - No, I will not reply to your sales pitch via e-mail. I do not wish to give it to you. And I'm not interested in making any purchases at this time.

cooby Sep 21 2006 10:55 AM

How do you rate?

Johnny Dickshot Sep 21 2006 10:56 AM

Not to continue picking on this guy but I think the reaction on some level must be about how distatsteful the whole "game-used" thing is. And not because it smells bad, but because it looks to exploit fantasy by "making it real." That's creepy. Plus these Steiner buttheads are bigtime MFY fans. btw, edgy has a party where strangers were invited, but not me? WTF?

NYGAMEUSED Sep 21 2006 11:02 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Not to continue picking on this guy but I think the reaction on some level must be about how distatsteful the whole "game-used" thing is. And not because it smells bad, but because it looks to exploit fantasy by "making it real." That's creepy. Plus these Steiner buttheads are bigtime MFY fans. btw, edgy has a party where strangers were invited, but not me? WTF? I am a bit confused from your statement your saying it brings Fantasy to Reality - but this hobby has been going on since the late 1800's people have been collecting Game Used item dating back to the Lemon Peel Baseballs - this isn't a new Hobby it's just a hobby thats starting to get more exposed. Steiner was just really the first one to jump on it and get an exclusivity thats all. As far as them being Yankees fans I can't agree with you there either, as that I am not sure of. but just because they signed the Yankees first that doesn't make them a Yankee fan.

silverdsl Sep 21 2006 11:04 AM

And to think on NYYFans, we just just nuke the spammers and move their threads out of view. I'm thinking this way of handling 'em is much more entertaining. I agree on the distastefulness of the whole game-used thing. I just looked this seller up on Ebay. He's got a 2004 Felix Heredia Yankees jersey for $450 and it retails for $1,000? Who would pay that?! I won't pay for autographs anymore let alone game-used stuff unless the proceeds go to charity.

SteveJRogers Sep 21 2006 11:06 AM

Either JD is getting them confused with the late Barry Halper who was a minority partner in the original Steinbrenner purchasing group or he has heard Brandon Steiner mention that he is in fact a Yankee fan

ScarletKnight41 Sep 21 2006 11:21 AM

cooby wrote: How do you rate? I'm very special. And I sponsored Joe Hietpas' page at Baseball Reference.com.

RealityChuck Sep 21 2006 11:55 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 21 2006 12:11 PM

NYGAMEUSED wrote: I am a bit confused from your statement your saying it brings Fantasy to Reality - but this hobby has been going on since the late 1800's people have been collecting Game Used item dating back to the Lemon Peel Baseballs Cite? Or, in other words, can you give any evidence to back this claim? Any ads from the late 1800s selling these? Any dealers, buyers or sellers ever using the term "game-used" during that era?

cooby Sep 21 2006 12:02 PM

Oh no, he's a Scarlet Night groupie! NYGAMEUSED, what do you think of people that hack up a collectors item bat, jersey, whatnot and put little bitty pieces of them on baseball cards? I'm not talking about Tim Tuefel's pants either, I mean like that Babe Ruth jersey some months back. And please answer Reality Chuck, that's a good question

NYGAMEUSED Sep 21 2006 12:23 PM

RealityChuck wrote: ="NYGAMEUSED"]I am a bit confused from your statement your saying it brings Fantasy to Reality - but this hobby has been going on since the late 1800's people have been collecting Game Used item dating back to the Lemon Peel Baseballs Cite? Or, in other words, can you give any evidence to back this claim? Any ads from the late 1800s selling these? Any dealers, buyers or sellers ever using the term "game-used" during that era? Actually I can give plenty of examples for one, they are out there floating around being sold just check ebay or any sports auction thats proof enough!! As far as actual paperwork showing People buying and selling - thats the business end of it I didnt say the business end of it existed back then I said the hobby did of people collecting these Game Used items. cooby as your statement regarding me a Scarlet Groupie???? I don't even know who he is??? Towards your question regarding chopping up Game Used pieces for baseball cards I think its disgusting. Why how do you feel about it?

Centerfield Sep 21 2006 12:23 PM

Have the game-used jerseys been washed or are they still sweaty?

cooby Sep 21 2006 12:25 PM

I think it is terrible but it seems to be a popular new trend

ScarletKnight41 Sep 21 2006 12:25 PM

cooby wrote: Oh no, he's a Scarlet Night groupie! One of many ;)

NYGAMEUSED Sep 21 2006 12:29 PM

I understand why the baseball card companies did it and continue to do it but its not right at all!!!

RealityChuck Sep 21 2006 12:48 PM

NYGAMEUSED wrote: Actually I can give plenty of examples for one, they are out there floating around being sold just check ebay or any sports auction thats proof enough!! I didn't know they had eBay in the 19th Century. Live and learn. However, unless you are willing to make that claim, an eBay auction is no proof that the hobby existed in the 19th Century. NYGAMEUSED wrote: As far as actual paperwork showing People buying and selling - thats the business end of it I didnt say the business end of it existed back then I said the hobby did of people collecting these Game Used items. Attacking a straw man. I didn't ask for the sales paperwork. I asked for evidence that anyone was selling game-used jerseys in the 19th century. You have asserted people in the 19th century collected "game-used items." Do you have any evidence to back up this claim? Any names of prominent 19th century collectors or dealers, for example. Any cites from a 19th century document that uses the phrase "game-used"? Any ads in Baseball periodical selling jerseys? You made an assertion. I have called it into question. Now, produce some evidence to prove me wrong.

NYGAMEUSED Sep 21 2006 01:08 PM

RealityChuck wrote: ="NYGAMEUSED"]Actually I can give plenty of examples for one, they are out there floating around being sold just check ebay or any sports auction thats proof enough!! I didn't know they had eBay in the 19th Century. Live and learn. However, unless you are willing to make that claim, an eBay auction is no proof that the hobby existed in the 19th Century. I never once claimed that ebay did exist then, isaid you can find these items on ebay. ="NYGAMEUSED"]As far as actual paperwork showing People buying and selling - thats the business end of it I didnt say the business end of it existed back then I said the hobby did of people collecting these Game Used items. Attacking a straw man. I didn't ask for the sales paperwork. I asked for evidence that anyone was selling game-used jerseys in the 19th century. You have asserted people in the 19th century collected "game-used items." Do you have any evidence to back up this claim? Any names of prominent 19th century collectors or dealers, for example. Any cites from a 19th century document that uses the phrase "game-used"? Any ads in Baseball periodical selling jerseys? Yes collected sure as mentioned earlier these items out there, if no one collected them, then how would they exist today on the secondary markets? I personally do not know the names of prominent 19th century collectors, but I can give you the name of my grandfather who passed down a collection to me of Game Used baseballs and a Jersey. As stated before the phrase"Game Used" falls into the aspect of the business end of it. I don't know if there were periodicals back then for such an item as said before back then people collected these items, an actual sale didnt necessarilly take place. I SEE THIS IS A HARD CONCEPT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND. You made an assertion. I have called it into question. Now, produce some evidence to prove me wrong. The insertion I made has nothing to do with the questions you ask. I stated it was a collectin hobby yet you keep referring to the business aspect of it. I dont understand why you can't comprehend the difference between someone just collecting something and a business sale

RealityChuck Sep 21 2006 01:21 PM

NYGAMEUSED wrote: The insertion I made has nothing to do with the questions you ask. I stated it was a collectin hobby yet you keep referring to the business aspect of it. I dont understand why you can't comprehend the difference between someone just collecting something and a business sale So? You haven't given any evidence that the hobby existed, either. I'm merely suggesting evidence that would prove it did, but if you can come up with something else, that's great: the name of a 19th century collector, for instance. Or any document from the time (e.g., a private letter) that talks about getting a "game-used jersey." Let's see some proof. You made an assertion, but keep changing the subject whenever I ask you to back it up.

NYGAMEUSED Sep 21 2006 01:27 PM

I see you didnt full read my reply by accident i posted my responses in the quote part - if you read through the last quote part I answered all your questions. As far as me backing up what I said, that I did. As far as chaning the subject, I have not that's what you have been doing because you don't know the difference between Hobby collectiong and Business. But thats ok your excused, I am curious why you don't have this comprehnsion i see its a problem for you.

Valadius Sep 21 2006 01:29 PM

You know, if you didn't constantly attack people's intelligence, etc., maybe we'd take you a bit more seriously.

NYGAMEUSED Sep 21 2006 01:34 PM

Vladius so let me get this correct its ok for him to attack me because he full doesnt understand what I wrote and after explaining it the second time he still doesnt get it and continues to attack me for a 3rde time thats ok??? but becuz after his second attack I attacked him back thats not ok??????? Meanwhile he continuosly attacks me

Edgy DC Sep 21 2006 01:40 PM

RealityChuck wrote: Let's see some proof. You made an assertion, but keep changing the subject whenever I ask you to back it up. I think Chuck is wasting his time with you. It doesn't matter how far back this hobby goes. But this isn't an attack.

Valadius Sep 21 2006 01:42 PM

Brush it off, for crying out loud. It's not right for anyone to attack anybody, but come on, lighten up a little. Crack a joke or two.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 21 2006 01:42 PM

]Yes collected sure as mentioned earlier these items out there, if no one collected them, then how would they exist today on the secondary markets? There's a difference between someone "collecting" something and someone not throwing it out. If my great grandchildren somehow find my toaster oven in my attic years after I die, it's not evidence that I collected toaster ovens. It simply means that my toaster oven was never disposed of. ]I personally do not know the names of prominent 19th century collectors, but I can give you the name of my grandfather who passed down a collection to me of Game Used baseballs and a Jersey. How did your grandfather come by these items? If he bought them from players or teams because he liked having used baseball jerseys, then he was a collector. But unless you're pretty old your grandfather probably wasn't doing this collecting in the 19th Century. I'd guess he probably bought them, either directly or indirectly, from the families that never threw them out.

RealityChuck Sep 21 2006 01:52 PM

NYGAMEUSED wrote: I see you didnt full read my reply by accident i posted my responses in the quote part - if you read through the last quote part I answered all your questions. You're right. Here it is: ]Yes collected sure as mentioned earlier these items out there, if no one collected them, then how would they exist today on the secondary markets? Not proof. Or, at least, no more proof than saying, "they exist, thus elves laid them on people's pillows." There are many ways these could have existed without active collectors -- they were kept by the players themselves, for example, or their relatives. You are claiming that there were actually people who went around gathering these items as part of a collection, not merely keeping one or two personal souveniers. ] I personally do not know the names of prominent 19th century collectors, but I can give you the name of my grandfather who passed down a collection to me of Game Used baseballs and a Jersey. Your grandfather was a 19th century collector? Really? My grandfather was born in 1899, so he couldn't be a collector in the 19th century, and I bet I'm older than you are. What year was your grandfather born? More likely, he started collecting well into the 20th century. That's does nothing to prove your claim. ]As stated before the phrase"Game Used" falls into the aspect of the business end of it. I don't know if there were periodicals back then for such an item as said before back then people collected these items, an actual sale didnt necessarilly take place. I SEE THIS IS A HARD CONCEPT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND. And I don't see why it's so hard to come up with evidence to show that people did actually collect these items. I did not insist you show a market and sales, just some evidence to back your claim. And saying "What else could it be?" will result in the answer "elves." ]As far as me backing up what I said, that I did. As far as chaning the subject, I have not that's what you have been doing because you don't know the difference between Hobby collectiong and Business. All I'm asking is evidence that this purported hobby existed in the 19th century. You keep avoiding that and pretending that I'm asking the business existed. I am not asking that, and I never asked that. I'm asking for evidence OF THE HOBBY. I, too, am curious why you don't have this comprehnsion, but I see it's that you just want to evade the issue because you have no proof to back up your assertion.

SteveJRogers Sep 21 2006 02:00 PM

RealityChuck wrote: ="NYGAMEUSED"]The insertion I made has nothing to do with the questions you ask. I stated it was a collectin hobby yet you keep referring to the business aspect of it. I dont understand why you can't comprehend the difference between someone just collecting something and a business sale So? You haven't given any evidence that the hobby existed, either. I'm merely suggesting evidence that would prove it did, but if you can come up with something else, that's great: the name of a 19th century collector, for instance. Or any document from the time (e.g., a private letter) that talks about getting a "game-used jersey." Let's see some proof. You made an assertion, but keep changing the subject whenever I ask you to back it up. Chuck, Barry Halper once had a collection of GU jerseys of EVERY HOFer, that means even Pud Galvin, Billy Hamilton, Hoss Radbourn, Al Spaulding, ect Does that mean there were dealers back then or Barry bought them from family/estates who knows, but there is a reason those keepsakes were kept

RealityChuck Sep 21 2006 02:13 PM

I agree. People held on to these and were later added to collections by collectors. But that wasn't the claim. The claim was that there were collectors -- people searching out the "game-used" jerseys in the 19th century. It's not that the jerseys don't exist. I'm looking for proof that collectors of these jerseys existed in the 19th Century.

KC Sep 21 2006 02:15 PM

Maybe we should just move on. Collecting baseball uniforms is actually a very cool hobby if that's one's bag. I have a friend, actually Scarlett interviewed him for Inside Pitch, who has almost every uniform from the 86 team and has a ot of 60's uniforms and it's pretty impressive. He was also featured on SNY a little while back too. He has a veritable museum of Mets stuff. I'm surprised everyone is trashing collecting Mets laundry, but I suppose it's more trashing the peddling of one's wares on our little pond in cyber-space. NYGAME, if ya wanna do a low key ad stick it in the member promotion forum and if ya wanna hang out start off on a new (and better) note on something else baseball related and like I said, let's move on.

Frayed Knot Sep 21 2006 02:20 PM

Does this mean I'm no longer head of the welcoming committee?

cooby Sep 21 2006 02:23 PM

I thought it was KC all along. Now I know it.

KC Sep 21 2006 02:26 PM

We love ya FK, don't ever change. I escalated shit at work today, so I thought I'd try on the voice of reason hat for the internet ... mix it up a little.

KC Sep 21 2006 02:28 PM

cooby cooby cooby

metsmarathon Sep 21 2006 02:30 PM

i'm still trying to figure out how you would talk out of hte side of your neck. i think its been glossed over in this whole discussion. i mean, sure, talking out of the front of your neck - that i'll buy. there's that whole anti-smoking commercial thing that shows just what that's all about, along with a sad sad tale of a man no longer able to swin. but the side of your neck? that's just dangerous. there's big blood vessels in the way, and a fair amount of musculature and other connective tissues. its just not even a good idea to try it. i should reconsider my approach for making friends on new forums (not that i would ever have need to find new or different online friends. y'all are the best! i've gotta just start off with ] "NEW AND DEVELOPMENTAL MILITARY HARDWARE FOR SALE!" wargame used Ammo cans! wargame used Fuze wrenches! wargame used Artillery Shells!* wargame used bullets!* wargame used Portable Inductive Artillery Fuze Setters! Det Cord & Primer NIB! Sensor Fuzed Munitions NIB! Huge selection of new and used UAVs! Huge selection of training simulators** Actual Training Manuals (TMs) and Field Manuals (FMs)! Learn the way the pros learn! >>>check back soon as we add precision guided mortars and artillery to our wide inventory!!!!<<< *not responsible for UXO **condition may vary. all training simulators are sold as is.

cooby Sep 21 2006 02:36 PM

I think I have a general idea of what Frayed Knot looks like, but even so, I just can't picture him talking out of the side of his neck. It just sounds like it would hurt, doesn't it?

metirish Sep 21 2006 02:36 PM

I've heard of talking out of your arse but never the neck.

Frayed Knot Sep 21 2006 02:41 PM

="cooby"]I think I have a general idea of what Frayed Knot looks like

ScarletKnight41 Sep 21 2006 02:57 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: Does this mean I'm no longer head of the welcoming committee? Hello - He's Frayed Knot. He's damn glad to meet you!

Edgy DC Sep 21 2006 03:41 PM

I'm selling the shirt and tie I was wearing when I read this thread and posted in it. If anybody collects flame-used clothing, shoot me an e-mail.

cooby Sep 21 2006 04:42 PM

Frayed Knot, that picture along with your sig line is extra funny!

soupcan Sep 21 2006 07:42 PM

Edgy DC wrote: I'm selling the shirt and tie I was wearing when I read this thread and posted in it. If anybody collects flame-used clothing, shoot me an e-mail. Golf clap.

seawolf17 Sep 22 2006 07:22 AM

I haven't laughed this hard at a CPF discussion since CF's exploits in Latvia. Thank you, everyone.

ScarletKnight41 Sep 22 2006 07:24 AM

Whenever I see Latvia mentioned, I think of CF <g>

Nymr83 Sep 22 2006 09:19 AM

NYGAMEUSED wrote: ="SteveJRogers"]BTW, the Mets used to have an actual Game Used kiosk on the Field Level at Shea. I wonder if they still sell such memorabillia at the Team Store Steven the do have a Kiosk there controlled by Steiner where you will pay top dollar for the items. and these are the items they couldnt sell there. lol

KC Sep 24 2006 09:13 AM

Speak of the devil, our guy is in The New York Times today! http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/sports/baseball/24cheer.html?_r=1&ref=baseball&oref=login (shout out to SK for the link)

ScarletKnight41 Sep 24 2006 09:50 AM

To clarify, this is the guy whom I interviewed for Inside Pitch a couple of years back (and a truly nice guy, I must say). This is not the guy who started this thread.

KC Sep 24 2006 10:02 AM

D'oh

Elster88 Dec 24 2006 09:06 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: I like how this spammer is having give and take, most spammers just post once and thats it BTW, I have a game used Steve J. Rogers # 1 Scarsdale Raiders baseball pullover shirt, worn as a manager/statistician for the 1994 season. Wonder how much that is worth? =;) Wow. Steve, that's a good one. (sc = zero)