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Frayed Knot Oct 03 2006 04:38 PM

Game 1: Carpernter v Peavy Scoreless end of the 2nd

vtmet Oct 03 2006 04:48 PM

pretty boring game so far...

A Boy Named Seo Oct 03 2006 04:59 PM

Good game, I think. Peavy and Carp both dealing. Props to SD for wearing home whites today and not dark blue or camouflage or whatever other dreck they have hanging in their dressing rooms.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 03 2006 05:05 PM

Piazza can't make the play on a tough Pujols pop-up in foul ground. Later in the at bat, Albert smokes a hanging Peavy slider for a 2-run bomb. Another road team looking to steal a game 1 win against the home team's ace.

vtmet Oct 03 2006 05:07 PM

that ball that Piazza didn't get was catchable...but as Ms Met used to preach, Piazza's mistakes have never led to giving up runs...

vtmet Oct 03 2006 05:08 PM

at least the game isn't boring anymore...after the A's/Twins sleeper, I want to see some offense...

Hillbilly Oct 03 2006 05:09 PM

Rolen with a bloop double 2nd and 3rd...

SteveJRogers Oct 03 2006 05:11 PM

vtmet wrote: that ball that Piazza didn't get was catchable...but as Ms Met used to preach, Piazza's mistakes have never led to giving up runs... Heh. Speaking of which, I loved hearing the ESPN Radio guys go on about running all the time on Piazza. Again, can someone show me stats where gunning down runners was the difference between a team winning and losing?

metsmarathon Oct 03 2006 05:14 PM

see: dave roberts, 2004

SteveJRogers Oct 03 2006 05:17 PM

metsmarathon wrote: see: dave roberts, 2004 Theres a difference between a runner and a catcher being able to gun them down. Jose Reyes may be picked off by a Pudge Rodriguez, but its going to be the Beltran HR that still puts the Mets in the lead

HahnSolo Oct 03 2006 05:21 PM

OK, how'd they get their third run. On Yahoo it says Edmonds singled, then scored on an Encarnacion Sac Fly. How'd he go from first to third?

metsmarathon Oct 03 2006 05:23 PM

a runner on second has a greater chance of scoring than a runner on first. a runner on second needn't be driven in on a home run, but can score on other types of batted balls, or can more easliy move to third where he can score without the benefit of a batted ball. a team only needs to lead by one run to win a game. successfully stealing bases increases your chances of leading by that one run or more. unsuccessfully throwing out basestealers likewise decreases your chances of leading by that one run or more.

metsmarathon Oct 03 2006 05:24 PM

Top 4TH B:3 S:1 O:0 Jim Edmonds singles on a line drive to right fielder Brian Giles. Top 4TH B:2 S:2 O:0 Scott Rolen doubles (1) on a soft line drive to right fielder Brian Giles. Jim Edmonds to 3rd. Top 4TH B:1 S:1 O:1 Juan Encarnacion out on a sacrifice fly to left fielder Dave Roberts. Jim Edmonds scores.

SteveJRogers Oct 03 2006 05:24 PM

metsmarathon wrote: a runner on second has a greater chance of scoring than a runner on first. a runner on second needn't be driven in on a home run, but can score on other types of batted balls, or can more easliy move to third where he can score without the benefit of a batted ball. a team only needs to lead by one run to win a game. successfully stealing bases increases your chances of leading by that one run or more. unsuccessfully throwing out basestealers likewise decreases your chances of leading by that one run or more. Can I just say Piazza being a bad thrower is actually overrated

metsmarathon Oct 03 2006 05:33 PM

its certainly overblown. i remember way back in 01 or 02 i played around with teh numbers and i figured that his poor throwing cost the mets a grand total of about 10 runs or so over an entire season. which adds up to what, two, maybe three losses? it was an overblown issue at the time, especially in the contect of a long season. but in a short series, against a team that is equipped to exploit that weakness, the effect could be very appropriately rated. if the mets faced the padres, i would expect us to steal maybe 5 bases per game, and for some of those runners to score. that's where the difference can be made. against a slow, station-to-station team, its less of an impact.

vtmet Oct 03 2006 05:38 PM

IMO, Metsmarathon just hit the nail on the head...over the course of the year, probably not a big measurable statistical difference...but IMO, I saw several times a few years ago, where in close games vs the Braves, Bobby Cox had his guys run/bunt on Piazza/Leiter and it was embarrassing just how easy it was for them to exploit the weakness and win by one run...

vtmet Oct 03 2006 05:39 PM

I also worry about LoDuca vs the Dodgers runners...Furcal, Lugo and Lofton could exploit LoDuca's arm...

Hillbilly Oct 03 2006 06:36 PM

Pads leave 'em load in the 7th. 5-1 cards. Bailed out by a great defensive play.

vtmet Oct 03 2006 07:03 PM

Pad's #1 & #2 hitters: 5 for 7 with a double and triple; #3 & #4 hitters (Gonzo & Piazza): 0 for 8 (none leaving the infield); Lack of hitting with men on base yielding only 1 run for the Pads... a double and 2 triples, yet only 1 run?

metirish Oct 03 2006 09:27 PM

Piazza should have caught that ball at the backstop,he didn't and it extended the AB for Pujols who then homered....

Frayed Knot Oct 03 2006 10:00 PM

ESPN had a reporter in the stands who happened to be right behind the screen where that popup was. He claims that the ball hit the screen coming down which is what made it come down behind Piazza.

Rotblatt Oct 04 2006 12:19 PM

Not only did these announcers suck ass, whomever was responsible for the cuts was just fucking awful. They missed the first pitch in practically every inning I watched. A batter would hit the ball and they follow the runner half the time instead of the ball, which meant I missed a great diving stop by Polanco (they did show it on a replay) . . . Inexcusable. Am I spoiled by SNY or was the game yesterday particularly bad?

Frayed Knot Oct 05 2006 04:12 PM

Game 2 set to go Weaver v Wells Piazza sitting

Zvon Oct 05 2006 04:16 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: Piazza sitting Has anybody heard why he's on the bench?

Frayed Knot Oct 05 2006 04:20 PM

Because there was no room at the Inn?

Zvon Oct 05 2006 04:25 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: Because there was no room at the Inn? lol. He better have a better excuse than that. I cant believe he's sitting.

Frayed Knot Oct 05 2006 04:28 PM

I'm surprised too although the backup Josh Bard - the guy traded to and then re-acquired from the BoSox - has had himself a good year.

Edgy DC Oct 05 2006 04:30 PM

Good? Grrreat. I don't think Mike Piazza is a Friar next year.

Zvon Oct 05 2006 04:30 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: I'm surprised too although the backup Josh Bard - the guy traded to and then re-acquired from the BoSox - has had himself a good year. Just heard Pads manager Bochy wanted to stack the lineup with lefties.

Zvon Oct 05 2006 04:31 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: I'm surprised too although the backup Josh Bard - the guy traded to and then re-acquired from the BoSox - has had himself a good year. Just heard Pads manager Bochy wanted to stack the lineup with lefties.

Zvon Oct 05 2006 04:32 PM

whoops. theres an echo in here whoops. theres an echo in here

Willets Point Oct 05 2006 04:32 PM

The monster is in the cage.

Frayed Knot Oct 05 2006 04:35 PM

Edgy DC wrote: I don't think Mike Piazza is a Friar next year. IIRC, he was signed to a reasonable amount this year but a big ($8mil?) option for next; one that would all but assure the Pads would NOT pick up.

OlerudOwned Oct 05 2006 04:42 PM

A base hit for Cammy. Good for him.

Zvon Oct 05 2006 04:47 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: ="Edgy DC"]I don't think Mike Piazza is a Friar next year. IIRC, he was signed to a reasonable amount this year but a big ($8mil?) option for next; one that would all but assure the Pads would NOT pick up. He'd be wise just to go AL and DH. Nice play at the plate there but these guys can only get one out at the plate at a time. sheesh

Willets Point Oct 05 2006 06:25 PM

The Padres, like the Twins, are not clear on the concept of home field advantage.

metirish Oct 05 2006 06:38 PM

Chris Berman is so fucking annoying..how is he still working?

cooby Oct 06 2006 10:56 PM

I am surprised we are not more into this series.

SteveJRogers Oct 07 2006 10:09 AM

The AL has been the more compelling league all year, especially when it appears that the MFY might be jettisoned from the postseason. Also these two teams failed to win 90 games this year, so the potential for some not so great baseball is there in this series.

Willets Point Oct 07 2006 11:44 AM

On the other hand - and I think this was Cooby's point - one of these teams will be the Mets opponent in the NLCS if the Mets advance which is why we specifically should have more interest in this series. As I said before, I'm rooting for the Padres to win the next two games and for all three remaining games to be at least 18 innings in length. A good and tired opponent for the NLCS would be welcome.

Gwreck Oct 07 2006 11:45 AM

Also inconvenient game times. Today's game will be the first game I'll have a chance to see.

cooby Oct 07 2006 11:53 AM

Willets Point wrote: On the other hand - and I think this was Cooby's point - one of these teams will be the Mets opponent in the NLCS if the Mets advance which is why we specifically should have more interest in this series. . Yep.

SteveJRogers Oct 07 2006 12:52 PM

]Also inconvenient game times. Today's game will be the first game I'll have a chance to see. I have a Saturday afternoon class in a few minutes that officially goes to 5:45! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!! But the professor is one that feels he can compress all that he needs to teach in a tighter, normal schedule so I should be out of there by 3:25ish, just in time to hear the final few frames on my way home (may do some shopping as well) and ready to listen and watch the MFY-Tigers and Mets-Dodgers double dip

ScarletKnight41 Oct 07 2006 02:24 PM

In Game 3, the Padres have taken a 3-0 lead in the top of the 4th inning.

Frayed Knot Oct 07 2006 04:20 PM

Now 3-1 in the 8th following a So Taguchi HR (that HR was just soooo Taguchi). I think I voted that I wanted the Pads to win ... except that the fact that this'll (hopefully) be our next opponent makes me want to pull for St Looie because I think they'll be the easier target (although it's not like I've got a good track record with this sorta thing). What I would like to see is for the Pads to at least extend this thing another day or two and make LaRussa burn Carpenter for a game and take him out of Game 1 for the next round.

Frayed Knot Oct 07 2006 04:45 PM

3 quick ones for Hoffman and the Padres get on the board, now trail 2 games to 1

Yancy Street Gang Oct 07 2006 06:10 PM

My rooting interest in this series is 5 games and tired pitchers. I hope the Padres win, but I really want to see tired pitchers.

Valadius Oct 07 2006 06:13 PM

Piazza. Piazza. Piazza. And Cameron too. Plus Estes is hurt but he's with them. But mainly Piazza.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 08 2006 12:31 AM

As I said, I'd like to see the Padres win. But even if I was rooting for the Cardinals, I'd be rooting for San Diego to win Sunday's game. And if the Padres were up 2-1 instead of down, I'd be rooting for St. Louis on Sunday. I want the Mets LCS opponent to play on Monday night.

Gwreck Oct 08 2006 12:38 AM

Carpenter is starting tomorrow for St. Louis. If St. Louis wins, that will mean 1. No Carpenter in Game 1 2. Maximum 2 Carpenter starts over a 7-game LCS.

SteveJRogers Oct 08 2006 08:57 AM

This series finally gets a PRIME TIME SLOT! WHOOO-HOOOO! Looks like it will be ex-Card Woody Williams is being tabbed for the start against Carpenter tonight. Like WP said, hope Pads win this game, and may both tonight and Monday last untill the morning hours =;) [url=http://www.ultimatemets.com/metannual.php?ThisYear=2005]2005 83-79 3rd NL East[/url]

ScarletKnight41 Oct 08 2006 08:24 PM

Game 4 is underway. Piazza is sitting tonight. I'm not sure why.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 08 2006 08:26 PM

Cy Carpenter just walked in a run with the bases loaded. 1 out in the 1st, bags still juiced with Padres.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 08 2006 08:27 PM

Cameron's speed avoids the double play and gives San Diego a 2-0 lead.

Valadius Oct 08 2006 08:37 PM

Josh Barfield is Jesse Barfield's kid.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 08 2006 08:44 PM

The Pads uni's bug me in the way the Nats do in that the font of logo on the hat (the interlocking "SD" for the Pads and the curly-cue "W" for the Nats) doesn't match the script font on the front of the uni (cursive "Padres" and block "Nationals"). That said, I still love the sand color road uni's the Padres wear, and think they look pretty good with the deep, ocean blue tops, and as a rule, I hate dark alternate tops. Still prefer the sand-colored "San Diego" road uni, even though that font's not quite right either.

Willets Point Oct 08 2006 08:48 PM

Good the Padres win tonight and then tomorrow and during the day Tuesday there are torrential downpours in San Diego, forcing the final game to start late Tuesday night and that game goes 18 innings.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 08 2006 08:50 PM

Belliard's bases loaded hit off of Williams ties the game.

ABG Oct 08 2006 08:53 PM

Someone is going to have to explain to me why they sit Piazza every other game for no particular reason. He is their best hitter other than Gonzalez, and the Cardinals aren't exactly the 1985 version of themselves.

Johnny Dickshot Oct 08 2006 09:51 PM

="A Boy Named Seo"]The Pads uni's bug me in the way the Nats do in that the font of logo on the hat (the interlocking "SD" for the Pads and the curly-cue "W" for the Nats) doesn't match the script font on the front of the uni (cursive "Padres" and block "Nationals"). That said, I still love the sand color road uni's the Padres wear, and think they look pretty good with the deep, ocean blue tops, and as a rule, I hate dark alternate tops. Still prefer the sand-colored "San Diego" road uni, even though that font's not quite right either. I think that jersey is great. Love the lettering.

soupcan Oct 08 2006 10:00 PM

Love the pods unis as well. Man Law: 2 uniform styles per team - Home whites with team name, road greys with city/state.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 08 2006 10:03 PM

St. Louis takes a 3-2 lead in the bottom of the 6th.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 08 2006 10:04 PM

Yadier Molina has a freaking cannon and showed it off throwing out quick, little Dave Roberts on a big, slow curveball. Of the 4 potential opponents still alive, only the Padres have catchers who suck at throwing out runners. We didn't run much against the Dodgers and Martin who's no slack himself, but Molina and Pudge could seriously slow us down. PLAYER TEAM SB CS CS% Ivan Rodriguez Detroit-AL 25 26 .510 Yadier Molina St. Louis-NL 37 29 .439 Jason Kendall Oakland-AL 71 31 .304 Josh Bard San Diego-NL 53 11 .172 Mike Piazza San Diego-NL 97 13 .118 *Russell Martin Los Angeles-NL 71 33 .311 *At home watching the Playoffs from his barcalounger.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 08 2006 10:11 PM

That red thing on Spezio's chin makes him look like a complete asstard. Edit: 4-2 'Nils.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 08 2006 10:14 PM

Now it's 6-2 on Eckstein's suicide squeeze.

Frayed Knot Oct 08 2006 10:22 PM

Valadius wrote: Josh Barfield is Jesse Barfield's kid. Which is why I was surprised to see that Josh was born in Venezuela (papa Jesse in Illinois) That Josh was born in the 2nd year of his dad's MLB career leads me to believe that he was a Winter Ball baby. Meanwhile, after looking like shite in the first inning, it's now the 7th and Carpenter is still in there dealing. LaRussa squeezes A LOT with Eckstein and that situation - where there was 1 out and the Cards had taken the lead and were piling on - just reeked of TLR prime squeezin' time.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 08 2006 10:30 PM

For a player to ask out of the lineup, he's got to be in pretty bad shape. Cards must be freaking about Rolen.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 08 2006 10:34 PM

Carpenter leaves in the 8th with a 4-run lead and runners on the corners.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 08 2006 10:42 PM

Piazza hits into an inning ended double play.

SteveJRogers Oct 08 2006 10:53 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: ="Valadius"]Josh Barfield is Jesse Barfield's kid. Which is why I was surprised to see that Josh was born in Venezuela (papa Jesse in Illinois) That Josh was born in the 2nd year of his dad's MLB career leads me to believe that he was a Winter Ball baby. Speaking of which, anyone hear more about the story of Jesse and one of his other sons? The Met draft pick who pushed Jesse down the stairs because he (the kid) was told it was time to go to church or something

ScarletKnight41 Oct 08 2006 11:01 PM

It's a final. The Mets will meet the Cardinals in the NLCS.