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Barry Zito Meter 10/3 Do we go after no matter what cost
YES! YES! FOR THE LOVE OF SEAVER ANYTHING TO GET HIM HERE! | 5 votes |
Only go so much, we may actually have a budget and Boras may pull his ARod crap all over again | 8 votes |
Can we WAIT untill the 2006 postseason turns out? | 8 votes |
SteveJRogers Oct 03 2006 03:00 PM |
El Duque questionable
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metsmarathon Oct 03 2006 03:02 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 03 2006 03:07 PM |
i'm gonna go with option three...
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vtmet Oct 03 2006 03:05 PM |
is he worth the money?
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SteveJRogers Oct 03 2006 03:09 PM |
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Granted Peterson's track record (i.e. 10 minutes with Zambrano) is shitty, but there is a reason Beane still kept him around and dumped Hudson and Mulder on the Braves and Cards. Considering how Hudson and Mulder have been injury prone since the trades makes me think Mr. Zito just needs his old pitching coach and a "change of scenery
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metsmarathon Oct 03 2006 03:10 PM |
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i thought both ends of that statement had already been debunked...?
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SteveJRogers Oct 03 2006 03:16 PM |
Well he's no Mazzone or anything, but its kind of been a common thought around baseball that Peterson was kept around for this exact spot, to bring in Barry Zito
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metsmarathon Oct 03 2006 03:19 PM |
that's not at all what i'm questioning.
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SteveJRogers Oct 03 2006 03:22 PM |
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Peterson never used the 10 minutes line with Zambrano? Seems like Peterson will never live that one down though. Show me evidence that Peterson has made a difference to a pitcher here in NY since he's been here.
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metsmarathon Oct 03 2006 03:27 PM |
you claimed he's been shitty. i think htat makes it your onus, but i can look it up later if i'm sufficiently motivated.
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vtmet Oct 03 2006 03:34 PM |
so far, I've read that a catcher's inability to throw out runners has little effect on a pitcher...and now, a pitching coach has little effect on a pitcher? Does Willie's pep talks where he goes out and yells at Maine have any effect? It sure looks that way to me because just about every time that Maine is losing it, Willie's trips to the mound snaps him out of it...
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metirish Oct 03 2006 06:15 PM |
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Check out how Baltimore did this season...
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metsmarathon Oct 03 2006 06:29 PM |
so far, three people would have no problem wearing burlap to shea next season...
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Willets Point Oct 03 2006 06:31 PM |
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They saw how good Jessica Alba looks in burlap and decided to follow suit.
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Johnny Dickshot Oct 03 2006 07:16 PM |
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Kindly take garbage like this to a forum that will tolerate it. I mean it.
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d'Kong76 Oct 03 2006 07:26 PM |
I took three.
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Edgy MD Oct 03 2006 07:46 PM |
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That's because too many people get a hateful idea in their head and won't listen to anything else. Don't let yourself be one. Ever
Show me evidence that his track record is pretty shitty.
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metirish Oct 03 2006 07:49 PM |
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Pedro Feliciano,Jorge Julio,Chad Bradford, Mota...Glavine, Heilman...I could go on.....will this ever go away?
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Elster88 Oct 03 2006 08:27 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 03 2006 08:32 PM |
Eh. I'll remove this.
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Edgy MD Oct 03 2006 08:29 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 04 2006 07:23 AM |
See now, you shouldn't have answered that, because you allow him to put the burden of proof on you. Of course, it's rather unproveable that any player's success can be attributed to his coach, so your preponderance of evidence can be rejected as not being "proof."
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smg58 Oct 04 2006 07:07 AM |
I'm not sure how much of yesterday's game was Zito, and how much of it was the Twins swinging at one pitch out of the strike zone after another. He doesn't get away with that against the MFY's.
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smg58 Oct 04 2006 07:08 AM |
PS This marks the third year in a row that the Mets' pitching has exceeded my expectations, and I don't know how you'd evaluate a pitching coach based on anything else.
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Benjamin Grimm Oct 04 2006 07:10 AM |
There's always rumor and innuendo.
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Johnny Dickshot Oct 04 2006 07:18 AM |
Parroting talkradio douchewhistles is how I go about it.
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metsmarathon Oct 04 2006 07:24 AM |
douchewhistle. that's a new one.
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Edgy MD Oct 04 2006 07:31 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 04 2006 07:52 AM |
Three bad ways to behave:
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RealityChuck Oct 04 2006 07:51 AM |
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Oliver Perez went from a washed-up AAA player in July to just short of making the postseason roster (and some reports say he'll be on it). I saw a scout's analysis online comparing video of Perez with the Pirates earlier this year with how he's pitching with the Mets (and with him a couple of years ago), showing that he's changed the way he pitches to more like he did when he won a dozen games and praising Peterson. Someone had to tell Perez what he was doing wrong, and Peterson is the obvious choice. Here's the analysis: http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/fil ... ver_perez/
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Benjamin Grimm Oct 04 2006 07:53 AM |
Don't forget Guillermo Mota. What a turnaround he had this year after he was traded.
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metsmarathon Oct 04 2006 07:57 AM |
what pitchers has peterson made worse?
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MFS62 Oct 04 2006 08:07 AM |
Peterson;
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metirish Oct 04 2006 08:09 AM |
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IIRC it was Peterson that told him to go back to how he threw while at ND.
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RealityChuck Oct 04 2006 09:13 AM |
That's how it always been reported: Heilman changed his delivery and wanted to stick to his old one despite the urgings of the entire coaching staff.
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Edgy MD Oct 04 2006 10:07 AM |
Don't screw with Aaron's delivery! The father of New York Mets reliever and Logansport native Aaron Heilman, Joe Heilman, has advice for young pitchers everywhere.
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SteveJRogers Nov 12 2006 09:59 PM |
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I think we now know what fixed Mota!
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