Oct 03 2006 02:44 PM
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Duque's Calf
| G-Fafif Oct 03 2006 02:33 PM |
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El Duque's push-off calf acted up during workouts. Going for MRI. Doesn't sound like he'll be starting. Don't know who will.
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| metirish Oct 03 2006 02:35 PM |
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You're joking right?....I can't believe this crap.
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| G-Fafif Oct 03 2006 02:35 PM |
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More of a don't know than won't pitch situation, according to SNY, but it doesn't sound rosy. Trachsel just getting back from personal biz. Not an option, according to Willie.
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| Edgy DC Oct 03 2006 02:36 PM |
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Franzenmorphinfrackin.
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| Frayed Knot Oct 03 2006 02:37 PM |
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Didn't realize calf problems were contagious.
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| Rotblatt Oct 03 2006 02:40 PM |
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Fucking shit.
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| cleonjones11 Oct 03 2006 02:40 PM |
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JOSE LIMA TIME!!!
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| Rotblatt Oct 03 2006 02:42 PM |
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Okay, not THAT'S funny!
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| Centerfield Oct 03 2006 02:42 PM |
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So really, what are our options if Duque can't go? Williams?
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| Willets Point Oct 03 2006 02:44 PM |
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| soupcan Oct 03 2006 02:44 PM |
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FAN said Maine in Game 1 if Duque can't go.
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| metirish Oct 03 2006 02:45 PM |
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I think the options are what Rotty said,Maine would be on regular rest to pitch Thursday.....
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| Edgy DC Oct 03 2006 02:45 PM |
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This is where that depth comes into play.
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| Frayed Knot Oct 03 2006 02:46 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 03 2006 02:47 PM |
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Well, the replacement might partially depend on whether he's out for the whole series (in which case he would be replaced on the roster) or merely delayed for a day or two.
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| metirish Oct 03 2006 02:46 PM |
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Maine must be shitting a brick,from nowhere to possible game one starter...WOW.
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| Gwreck Oct 03 2006 02:47 PM |
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Tough call on whether to put Dave Williams, Perez, or Bannister on the roster instead of El Duque (if that's necessary).
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| Willets Point Oct 03 2006 02:47 PM |
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Dickshot predicted the Mets would win with a rotation of John Maine, Mike Pelfrey, Phil Humber, Oliver Perez and Bobby Parnell. Let's hope he's on to something.
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| Rotblatt Oct 03 2006 02:48 PM |
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I'd be okay with that. Maine's been solid. Glavine & Trachs would start Games 2 & 3 as planned, then we go to El Duque for 4 if he's ready. If he's not ready, do we bring up Perez?
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| Edgy DC Oct 03 2006 02:50 PM |
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Well, there's part of the problem. They have to commit to the roster for the entire series now. There's no bringng him up if Hernandez can't go.
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 03 2006 02:50 PM |
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If Bret was here, he'd be pointing out that this is why relying on old pitchers is perilous.
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| metirish Oct 03 2006 02:51 PM |
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Ok I'll say it because I know someone will.....start Heilman....
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| Frayed Knot Oct 03 2006 02:51 PM |
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Rosters don't have to be set until 10AM tomorrow.
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| ScarletKnight41 Oct 03 2006 02:53 PM |
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What are the options?
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| cooby Oct 03 2006 02:54 PM |
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Glavine, Maine and pray for rain
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| cleonjones11 Oct 03 2006 02:55 PM |
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Your going to see 3 innings of Darren Oliver 3 of Dave Williams then bullpen
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| cleonjones11 Oct 03 2006 02:56 PM |
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I believe they are exhausted Jesse Orosco looked good 2 weeks ago
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| ABG Oct 03 2006 02:57 PM |
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It's occurred to me to just say--hell with it, we're throwing Pelfrey, Perez, Maine and Glavine. Maybe you just catch lightning.
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| metirish Oct 03 2006 02:57 PM |
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What the feck was he doing running in the outfield for,at his age he should be walking......I am so pissed right now.
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| cleonjones11 Oct 03 2006 03:01 PM |
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As Dean Wormer said "I hate these guys" How about
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| metirish Oct 03 2006 03:04 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 03 2006 03:07 PM |
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Cleon lets not joke about a guy who went home to take care of personal stuff....we have no idea what that is....could be serious ya know.
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| vtmet Oct 03 2006 03:05 PM |
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If El' Duque can't go at all, is Humber totally out of the question? Of possible starters, he's got the best stuff, hasn't thrown many innings this season, has allowed under a .200 BAA, has about a 4:1 K:BB ratio in the minors, and I doubt that the Dodgers hitters know much about him...secret weapon, like the Dodgers used Kuo against the Mets on Sept 8th...
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| Edgy DC Oct 03 2006 03:09 PM |
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I think Humber is out of the question, for many reasons, not least of which is that he joined the team after September 1.
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| cleonjones11 Oct 03 2006 03:10 PM |
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He probably went home to rest for his start I would think. I think he should be fined...
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| Johnny Dickshot Oct 03 2006 03:13 PM |
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This is so cool! I mean, we're just gonna SACK UP and go for it!
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| cleonjones11 Oct 03 2006 03:15 PM |
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ROTSA RUCK
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| ABG Oct 03 2006 03:28 PM |
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All these leg injuries...where the fuck is Mackey Shilstone?
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 03 2006 03:29 PM |
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I tried splitting this thread and evidently goofed somehow.
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| vtmet Oct 03 2006 03:31 PM |
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I was wondering what that debug error was all about...
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| vtmet Oct 03 2006 03:34 PM |
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Floyd, Pedro and El Duque are all old enough that osteoperosis is already setting in, I don't think Shilstone woulda helped... Bannister's another story...
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| Edgy DC Oct 03 2006 03:41 PM |
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I'm aware that Humber could be worked in (hate to see my post duplicted a half dozen times above) by sending Hernandez to the 60 day. I don't see it though.
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| Johnny Dickshot Oct 03 2006 03:45 PM |
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Seriously: How cool would that be? And not that farfetched, which is why (along with being a retarded optimist) the Pedro injury doesn't worry me too much either. As long as the lineup is healthy & the bullpen is solid, if we make the plays in the field and limit the bad guys to 3 or 4 runs over 6, we'll win. We've done it like that all year. Offense offense offense.
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| Edgy DC Oct 03 2006 03:50 PM |
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I'm just proud as punch of the extra depth (a) we have and (b) we've used and prepared for this moment.
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| metirish Oct 03 2006 03:55 PM |
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From keith Law ...scouts.inc
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| PatchyFogg Oct 03 2006 04:01 PM |
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OK, OK, this is all my fault. I was able to book Adam Rubin for tonight's show "unless something happens at the Workout." "What could possibly happen?" says I.
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 03 2006 04:02 PM |
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Mets record in 2006 in games started by Pedro Martinez (11-12) and Orlando Hernandez (11-9): 22-21 (.512)
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| soupcan Oct 03 2006 04:06 PM |
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This is my new mantra.
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| seawolf17 Oct 03 2006 04:06 PM |
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I have plenty of confidence in Maine. Honestly, I have confidence in Oliver Perez; I think there are lot worse options out there. I wouldn't mind giving him a go if the need arose.
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| soupcan Oct 03 2006 04:07 PM |
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Having Oliver Perez start a postseason game would seriously bum me out.
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 03 2006 04:08 PM |
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I agree. He seems to pitch well once every six or seven starts. I'd rather see Williams or Bannister.
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| metirish Oct 03 2006 04:09 PM |
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It would have to be Williams then, when did Bannister last pitch for the mets?
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| soupcan Oct 03 2006 04:12 PM |
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I actually wouldn't mind seeing Williams get a start. He pitched very well.
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| vtmet Oct 03 2006 04:19 PM |
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Bannister pitched an inning on Sept 27th (only appearance since Sept 10th)...however, with the fragility of our starters, I would imagine that he's been having quite a few side sessions under Peterson's, Conte's, Wait's or Neiman's guidance...I don't think he was shipped out to St Lucie for the night life...as bad of control that Bannister showed this season, he did have good BAA against RH batters and on the road (true, very limited numbers but one can only hope that he can come through if need be)...I wouldn't really want to have a lefty with control issues face the Dodgers or the Cards...
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| Johnny Dickshot Oct 03 2006 04:19 PM |
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Williams had only one bad outing as a Met. Just one. And what -- 3 or 4 very good ones.
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| metirish Oct 03 2006 04:22 PM |
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With Williams being a leftie does that come into the thought process?
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| Rotblatt Oct 03 2006 04:28 PM |
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I could kiss you, Yance.
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 03 2006 04:30 PM |
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When I decided to look into those numbers, I didn't anticipate that they'd look as good as they do.
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| OlerudOwned Oct 03 2006 04:34 PM |
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John Maine has balls.
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| vtmet Oct 03 2006 04:35 PM |
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I don't know if it's just because he's a lefty...he's got a .283 BAA vs lefties..and a .335 BAA vs righties...but the Dodgers have been a better team at hitting lefties than they have at hitting righties...
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| vtmet Oct 03 2006 04:41 PM |
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Maine's main problem has been the HR ball, however: the Dodgers don't hit alot of HRs (26th in MLB in HRs this season) & Shea/Dodger Stadium are not great parks for HR hitters... so hopefully, he'll be fine...
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| cooby Oct 03 2006 04:42 PM |
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Do we even know yet if Hernandez is really hurt?
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| vtmet Oct 03 2006 04:45 PM |
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ESPN is certainly making it sound like Doomsday for el'duque...I believe they have already said that it's not going to be: El'Duque, Trax, or even Glavine tomorrow...
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| ScarletKnight41 Oct 03 2006 04:46 PM |
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[url=http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061003&content_id=1696844&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym]We Don't Really Know Yet[/url]
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| cooby Oct 03 2006 04:48 PM |
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Yep, that's what I just went and read :)
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| Hillbilly Oct 03 2006 05:07 PM |
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What about Oliver in game 1?
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| Willets Point Oct 03 2006 05:48 PM |
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I'm with you there. There's nothing left to do but let it ride and hope for miracles (and maybe an angry God might smite the Yankees).
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| SteveJRogers Oct 03 2006 05:53 PM |
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| HahnSolo Oct 03 2006 05:57 PM |
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Eddie C told FAN that the decision won't be made until tomorrow morning. They want to see how Duque feels.
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| SteveJRogers Oct 03 2006 05:58 PM |
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| SteveJRogers Oct 03 2006 06:00 PM |
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 03 2006 07:08 PM |
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Steve's off his medication again.
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| Willets Point Oct 03 2006 07:13 PM |
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 NOT COOL!
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| SteveJRogers Oct 03 2006 07:16 PM |
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What, you don't like the inspirational quotes?
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 03 2006 07:18 PM |
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Is that what they are?
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| SteveJRogers Oct 03 2006 07:27 PM |
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Picture an image of a thigh slapping Tug McGraw:
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| vtmet Oct 03 2006 07:43 PM |
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I think what Steve was trying to illustrate was....regardless of the obstacles against the Mets...they are on a mission from God...as John Belushi would say...
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| metirish Oct 03 2006 07:50 PM |
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God must have a sense of humor then, I think this is all mind games from Willie and El Duque is fine....
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| vtmet Oct 03 2006 07:55 PM |
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According to ESPN:
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| Edgy DC Oct 03 2006 08:25 PM |
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I'm thinking of a different SNL actor --- Bill Murray --- and his attitude toward's women in the military. He said something along the lines of letting them into the infantry, then if there's a war, and we win, great. And if we lose, we say, "So what? You beat a bunch of girls."
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| Willets Point Oct 03 2006 08:30 PM |
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I don't think the Mets can add any girls to the lineup for the playoffs since there were no girls on the team prior to Sept. 1st.
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| cleonjones11 Oct 03 2006 08:41 PM |
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Just saw El Duque limping pretty bad on FOX..Kennedy says its Maine tomorrow..
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| cooby Oct 03 2006 08:42 PM |
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For a brief shining moment, Yancy thought I was on the pitching staff
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| Elster88 Oct 03 2006 10:41 PM |
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That's what I thought before the Maine/Kuo game. And then we got murdered.
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| Elster88 Oct 03 2006 10:55 PM |
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This makes me feel better too, and I hate to pee on the parade and on people's hopes.....but a lot of that is the coincidence of the Mets averaging about 25 runs in Traxxx's wins. IIRC, that is.
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| Elster88 Oct 03 2006 10:56 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 03 2006 11:32 PM |
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I'm thinking this is not a live shot and means absolutely nothing.
This may mean something. Edits 1 and 2: FOX still saying that no decision has been made...and I heard on the radio that the Mets won't announce until tomorrow....rendering the post about "Kennedy" a pile of shit. Which I shouldn't have to reason out, shoulda known because cj posted it.
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| vtmet Oct 03 2006 11:04 PM |
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even if El Duque isn't pitching tomorrow, that doesn't mean that he won't be able to pitch game 3 or game 4...game 4 is still almost 120 hours away, if it's just a tweak, that should be plenty of time (hopefully)...
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 04 2006 06:42 AM |
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From Newsday:
It's 6:41 a.m. Is Orlando awake yet? Let's call his house! Get him a ham and cheese sandwich. If that won't fix his calf, I'll try faxing him some Pop-Tarts.
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| cleonjones11 Oct 04 2006 07:24 AM |
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The video was from Shea was that after noon with El Due walking off after running. and Kevin Lenedy DID say MaineTry and know what your talking about. Thank you for the kind words.
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| seawolf17 Oct 04 2006 07:33 AM |
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I think Elster's point was that Kevin Kennedy doesn't decide the Mets' rotation, the Mets do, and that since Willie said they wouldn't make a decision until the morning, Kennedy was basically just blowing smoke.
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 04 2006 07:54 AM |
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Latest update: Orlando Hernandez is brushing his teeth. Possibly flossing as well.
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| metirish Oct 04 2006 08:50 AM |
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Get this exchange Hernandez had at the hospital.
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| Centerfield Oct 04 2006 08:50 AM |
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Latest latest update: Calf fine, but jammed his finger during tooth brushing process. Out for rest of post-season.
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 04 2006 08:57 AM |
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Damn! I knew he should have signed up for toothbrushing lessons from Mackey Shillstone.
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| metirish Oct 04 2006 10:33 AM |
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| Johnny Dickshot Oct 04 2006 10:35 AM |
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Yeow.
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| soupcan Oct 04 2006 10:40 AM |
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Why Perez?
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| Rotblatt Oct 04 2006 10:41 AM |
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Well, that's that.
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| TransMonk Oct 04 2006 10:42 AM |
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I never, ever, ever thought I'd be saying this on October 4th, but...
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| metirish Oct 04 2006 10:49 AM |
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With Oliver waiting to be the long man if needed...
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| Johnny Dickshot Oct 04 2006 10:51 AM |
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The addition of Ring, btw, costs Mike DiFelice a roster slot.
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| Gwreck Oct 04 2006 10:52 AM |
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That might be the only silver lining here.
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| Johnny Dickshot Oct 04 2006 10:54 AM |
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There's another -- winning will be the greatest sack-up job in Met history.
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 04 2006 10:57 AM |
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I agree with that. DiFelice would have been a waste of a spot anyway.
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 04 2006 11:00 AM |
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I think they should go three-man rotation and lean more heavily on the bullpen. Not ideal, but days off will be more frequent.
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| Rotblatt Oct 04 2006 11:05 AM |
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Glavine & Trachsel suck on short rest, and they've BOTH have to do it. We'd be shooting ourselves in the foot, even more than going with Perez every fourth game. I wouldn't mind trying to skate by with Williams starting & D. Oliver pitching after the fourth in one game, but I don't think it's a viable long-term strategy. Trachs & Maine are capable of putting up a clunker, which would mean we'd need a long man available. I say give the ball to Perez if there's a Game 4. If he starts to struggle, we can yank him before it gets too ugly and go with Option B.
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| metirish Oct 04 2006 11:07 AM |
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I'm worried about Trax,his preparation has been less than ideal.
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| Johnny Dickshot Oct 04 2006 11:08 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 04 2006 11:08 AM |
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By the time we get to Game 4 it's basically an all-hands-on-deck situation anyway. No biggie!
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| soupcan Oct 04 2006 11:08 AM |
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I guess I could live with that.
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| RealityChuck Oct 04 2006 11:10 AM |
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Not at all. Without DiFelice, Ramon Castro never gets into a game unless he starts. You don't play in the postseason with no catcher on the bench. If you pinch hit Castro, and Lo Duca breaks a finger on a bad pitch, who replaces him? If it's the bottom of the ninth and you're down a run, then you can use your backup catcher, but without DiFelice, you have to think long and hard about bringing in Castro to pinch hit in the 7th inning -- even if you're desperate for him. Ultimately, which bat would you prefer to have out of the lineup: DiFelice's or Castro's?
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| MFS62 Oct 04 2006 11:12 AM |
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Roster cut stuff;
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| Edgy DC Oct 04 2006 11:14 AM |
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I agree that there's always an argument for a third catcher.
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| metirish Oct 04 2006 11:16 AM |
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Who was the third catcher in 2000?
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| Methead Oct 04 2006 11:18 AM |
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McEwing?
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| TransMonk Oct 04 2006 11:19 AM |
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That'd be my guess.
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| MFS62 Oct 04 2006 11:20 AM |
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Ex- catcher Mike Kinkade was on the team during the regular season. For the playoffs, I guess it was Little Joe. (After Pratt) This year, maybe Roberto Hernandez would be the (shudder) #3? Later
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| Johnny Dickshot Oct 04 2006 11:21 AM |
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Ed Hearn didn't make a single appearance in either 86 series.
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| RealityChuck Oct 04 2006 11:21 AM |
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Oh, I'm sure teams go into it with only two catchers, but having a third is never a bad idea.
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| Edgy DC Oct 04 2006 11:22 AM |
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To clarify, I'm not saying that a third catcher is a necessity. I'm saying that there's always an argument for one.
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| RealityChuck Oct 04 2006 11:24 AM |
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I'm guessing Randy Niemann.
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| Johnny Dickshot Oct 04 2006 11:27 AM |
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I mean, it;s pretty obvious our righthanded pinchhitteriness takes a big hit with the removal of DiFelice.
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| Hillbilly Oct 04 2006 11:27 AM |
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I'm not a fan of the 3rd C in post season and think it would be a big mistake for this series, I'd go with an extra arm for games 4 & 5, if required.
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| metirish Oct 04 2006 11:27 AM |
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Wasn't Vance Wilson with the Mets then.
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| Rotblatt Oct 04 2006 11:31 AM |
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I'm not so worried about not being able to use Castro during this series, since the Dodgers have no LOOGY's to speak of, but going forward (if we DO go forward), it'd be nice to have him available off the bench.
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| MFS62 Oct 04 2006 11:34 AM |
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This just in;
Ugh. Later
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| Hillbilly Oct 04 2006 11:36 AM |
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I agree and would make a similar agruement about Lastings. Hopefully we'll see one or both of these guys available as a right-handed PH later in the months.
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| Hillbilly Oct 04 2006 11:37 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 04 2006 11:37 AM |
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I don't think Doug Sisk threw a pitch during the 86 post season. Anybody know?
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| duan Oct 04 2006 11:37 AM I'm game for Oliver Perez BIG STYLE |
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as the fourth I think he's gonna rise to the occasion.
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| HahnSolo Oct 04 2006 11:39 AM |
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Sisk appeared in game 4 of the NLCS (the El Sid-Scott game), and I believe game 2 of the WS.
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| Hillbilly Oct 04 2006 11:44 AM |
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Thanks
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 04 2006 12:17 PM |
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No. Vance Wilson was never on a postseason roster.
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| Willets Point Oct 04 2006 12:19 PM |
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Hard to believe that with 3 extra inning games in the 1986 postseason that any players got left on the bench or in the pen.
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| Edgy DC Oct 04 2006 12:20 PM |
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Well, I bet he was last night.
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| Edgy DC Oct 04 2006 12:46 PM |
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You know, I am put out (though I understand it) when a manager tries to win a post-season series by riding the first 1-3 guys on his pitching staff mercilessly, and hiding the guys on the back end --- Dodgers in '88, Houston in '86, Arizona in 2001. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.*
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 04 2006 12:54 PM |
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I'll be really happy if the Mets are 2 and 0 when I go to bed tomorrow night.
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| metirish Oct 04 2006 01:15 PM |
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If the Mets advance and El Duque somehow recovers can he then be added to the NLCS roster?
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| Yancy Street Gang Oct 04 2006 01:17 PM |
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He could, but according to the medical reports it doesn't seem likely that he'd be healthy enough by then.
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| RealityChuck Oct 04 2006 01:17 PM |
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I believe they're allowed one roster change.
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| cooby Oct 04 2006 01:18 PM |
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Yance is so excited he's staying up for two days
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| Frayed Knot Oct 04 2006 01:18 PM |
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Yes.
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| MFS62 Oct 04 2006 01:19 PM |
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That's a good question. I believe thay can because they still hold some wild cards - several pitchers were on the 60 day DL this season, and Orlando was on the active 25 man roster as of August 31. Adding another position player would be dicier. Later
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| Farmer Ted Oct 04 2006 02:57 PM |
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I'm smelling a Gentry-'69 WS-esque performance by the Maine Man today. Dodgers blow.
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| Rotblatt Oct 05 2006 03:35 PM |
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So let's look at Trachs a little. He's been bad all season, posting overall numbers of 4.97 ERA, 1.60 WHIP, 1.01 K/BB. He did have one good month, August, where he was decent (4.50 ERA, 1.39 WHIP, 1.75 K/BB) but the bottom dropped out for him in September (4.91 ERA, 1.80 WHIP, 0.46 K/BB).
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