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Dodgers in 4 See ya Next Year

cleonjones11
Oct 03 2006 01:07 PM

Maddux,Lowe,Kuo,Penny...hot team

Oliver Perex Glavine and a pile of AAA pitchers. Another Yankee World series...

Typical Mets since 1962

metirish
Oct 03 2006 01:09 PM

You seem happy about this Cleon, some Mets fan you are.

Edgy DC
Oct 03 2006 01:09 PM

You already said this, trollsky.

Centerfield
Oct 03 2006 01:11 PM

Bye cleon! See you next year! Bye!

cooby
Oct 03 2006 01:12 PM

cleon, why are you 11 and not 21? I always wondered that

cleonjones11
Oct 03 2006 01:12 PM

metirish wrote:
You seem happy about this Cleon, some Mets fan you are.


I've been a Mets fan so long I am so used to it its funny to me. and Yes the MFYS will cruise You don't go far in the post season without pitching

We have the worst pitching of the 8 teams left dude

Get a reality check

cleonjones11
Oct 03 2006 01:14 PM

cooby wrote:
cleon, why are you 11 and not 21? I always wondered that


Don't know..I love your photo of Milner.. silent dignity..Kinda like me HAAAAAAAAAAHAAABWAAAAHA

cooby
Oct 03 2006 01:16 PM

I love it too, thank you :)

See, you're not all bad

cleonjones11
Oct 03 2006 01:20 PM

look I love the Mets and Rutgers Football..Mets since 65.....This pitching mess just fits in so well it's like Dick Gallo wrote the cartoon and Dick Young said we were finished in the seventies Daily News.

I can't help myself..I'm so dissapointed..

soupcan
Oct 03 2006 01:20 PM

Just cause Duque's down doesn't mean the Dodgers are all of a sudden world beaters.

It's not like Koufax and Drysdale still pitch for them.

Maddux, Lowe and Penny are not invincible by any stretch and I still think Little's gonna get burned by starting the rookie.

Glavine should be able to give us 5 or 6 innings, Maine's been more than serviceable and its not out of the realm of possibility to get a gem from Trax.

I'd be more concerned if we made it to the next round and still were w/o Duque.

Bring the Dodgers on, the only reason they are in the playoffs in the first place is becase they got hot at the right time in a mediocre league.

Frayed Knot
Oct 03 2006 01:23 PM
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]look I love the Mets and Rutgers Football..Mets since 65


Good lord, you're an adult?
That was like my third guess.




]Dick Gallo wrote the cartoon


Any relation to Bill Gallo?

cooby
Oct 03 2006 01:23 PM

Cripes, you ought to be happy about Rutgers football anyway

ABG
Oct 03 2006 01:23 PM

I think Cleon=Bret.

The alias is Bret's way of making himself look like a rational, reasonable dissenter.

cleonjones11
Oct 03 2006 01:26 PM

ABG wrote:
I think Cleon=Bret.

The alias is Bret's way of making himself look like a rational, reasonable dissenter.


Bill Gallo my error im ficused at the moment..Bret.. no I'm a different lunatic sorry though...

Johnny Dickshot
Oct 03 2006 01:26 PM

ABG wrote:
I think Cleon=Bret.

The alias is Bret's way of making himself look like a rational, reasonable dissenter.


No sir that's not correct.

seawolf17
Oct 03 2006 02:02 PM

Wow. I don't know that namecalling one of our most respected posters is the answer. I'm always up for intelligent, two-sided discussion; that's pretty low.

Rockin' Doc
Oct 03 2006 08:38 PM

cleonjones11 - "Dick Gallo wrote the cartoon"

Frayed Knot - "Any relation to Bill Gallo?"

Any relation to Jerry Callo?

Elster88
Oct 03 2006 08:49 PM

You can still call me Gambini.

vtmet
Oct 03 2006 08:58 PM

I refuse to believe that our pitching is that much worse than the Dodgers...and IMO, it's not a battle of pitcher vs pitcher...it's a battle of how our offense hits their pitching vs how their offense hits our pitching...so even if their pitching is better than ours, our hitting is still superior to theirs (except for when they throw a no-name lefty at us)...

Elster88
Oct 03 2006 09:01 PM

vtmet wrote:
I refuse to believe that our pitching is that much worse than the Dodgers


I don't want to believe it either. But it's probably true.

The starting pitching at least.

Valadius
Oct 03 2006 09:01 PM

Is Oliver Perez on the postseason roster?

SteveJRogers
Oct 03 2006 09:25 PM

As of this moment (no news of El Duque being off) no

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 04 2006 04:06 AM

Nothing would be more foolish than giving Oliver Perez a postseason start.

Rockin' Doc
Oct 04 2006 05:06 AM

Unless, of course, WIllie and Omar were to completely lose their minds and decide to give Jose Lima a start.

The horrors that sometimes invade my mind before my morning coffee.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 04 2006 05:10 AM

Daily News is saying this morning that Oliver Perez will be on the postseason roster.

Ugh.

I hope he doesn't get into any games. While he can sometimes pitch well, he's more likely to be awful on any given day.

cooby
Oct 04 2006 05:28 AM

Lima......isn't......really......here.....is he? Please say no

Rockin' Doc
Oct 04 2006 05:43 AM

Cooby, only in the deepest darkest recesses of your mind, where your worst nightmares reside.

cooby
Oct 04 2006 05:45 AM

Whew, thank you!

Rotblatt
Oct 04 2006 06:07 AM

="Yancy Street Gang"]Daily News is saying this morning that Oliver Perez will be on the postseason roster.

Ugh.

I hope he doesn't get into any games. While he can sometimes pitch well, he's more likely to be awful on any given day.


True. But I don't mind having a wild card pitcher in our wings. Willie's played his cards pretty well this year, and he's earned a little trust from me.

And hey, it's the playoffs. Anything can happen.

Edgy DC
Oct 06 2006 07:30 AM

So much for Dodgers in 4.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 06 2006 07:32 AM

Poor cleon. I can imagine how sad he must be feeling right now.

Edgy DC
Oct 06 2006 07:33 AM

We'll probably see him before next year also.

cooby
Oct 06 2006 07:34 AM

He still has his dignity

Edgy DC
Oct 06 2006 07:55 AM

Speaking of seeing you next year, check out Julio Lugo with the faux pas of getting baited into talking about next year.



Odd time to look ahead for Lugo
Dodgers infielder is entertaining thought of playing with Mets
BY ERIK BOLAND
Newsday Staff Writer


Published October 6 2006

Credit Julio Lugo for answering the question honestly. Dock him for the timing.

Lugo, who received the start at third base for the Dodgers last night, was asked before the game about speculation the Mets might try to acquire him this offseason. Instead of offering the usual platitudes such as "We'll talk about that after the season, or I'm just worried about helping this team win a championship," Lugo actually gave an answer of substance.


"Well, it's nice to know that people want you out there," said Lugo, who will be a free agent at season's end. "I mean, I'm grateful for them to be interested because I was raised here in New York. I was a Met fan for a while."

Lugo, 30, moved from the Dominican Republic to Sunset Park in Brooklyn with his family when he was 13 and attended Fort Hamilton High School.

The Mets' appeal when he was young?

"The blue hats," Lugo said. "I used to love the blue hats they used to have."

Lugo was chosen in the 43rd round of the 1994 draft by the Astros, but he didn't reach the majors until 2000. Lugo spent three-and-a-half seasons with Houston before being dealt to the Devil Rays in the middle of the 2003 season. The Dodgers acquired Lugo July 31 in exchange for minor leaguers Joel Guzman and Sergio Pedroza. The Mets reportedly were interested as well, but the Dodgers were able to close the deal.

Primarily a shortstop for most of his career, Lugo became a utilityman in Los Angeles and struggled. He appeared in 29 games at second base, 16 at third, eight at shortstop, two in rightfield and one in leftfield. Lugo was hitting .308 with 12 home runs, 27 RBIs and 18 stolen bases for the Devil Rays, but his numbers dropped significantly after being dealt to the Dodgers. After the trade, Lugo hit .219 with 10 RBIs, no home runs and six stolen bases in 49 games.

"That's my main position. I played shortstop all through my career," Lugo said.

Of course, if Lugo joined the Mets, it likely would be as a second baseman. Jose Valentin is unlikely to be there next season and David Wright and Jose Reyes are fixtures at third and short, respectively. Lugo said exceptions can be made.

"If you want me to play second, I will think about it," Lugo said. "There's no reason why you couldn't do something for a good team."

What made Lugo's bluntness odd was the time and place. Players, especially those in the playoffs, rarely engage in conjecture on where their next stop will be. Dodgers manager Grady Little, however, sounded as if Lugo's departure was probable.

"I don't think he's adjusted to it in terms of the fact that he likes it," Little said. "I just think he'll do whatever he needs to do to help us win games."

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 06 2006 08:02 AM

]The Mets' appeal when he was young?

"The blue hats," Lugo said. "I used to love the blue hats they used to have."


Man has good taste.

Unfortunately, these days the Dodgers caps are blue much more frequently than the Mets caps are.

MFS62
Oct 06 2006 08:03 AM

]"If you want me to play second, I will think about it," Lugo said. "There's no reason why you couldn't do something for a good team."



That's interesting. In prior interviews, he has maintained that he wants to play shortstop - only. And I recall several articles that speculated that he would be adverse to coming to the Mets specifically because he didn't want to have to play second.

Do ya' think he's just trying to drive his price up, or is he really willing to change positions?

In the mean time, another second baseman, free agent to-be Belliard, has been putting on a good show in the other NLDS. His gut is almost as large as that of David Wells, but he has made some dazzling plays in the field.

Later

metirish
Oct 06 2006 08:05 AM

]

Do ya' think he's just trying to drive his price up, or is he really willing to change positions?


With the way he has played since joining the Dodgers his price might be going down.

Edgy DC
Oct 06 2006 08:10 AM

And his leverage to pick his position.

Really, though, his .278 / .341 / .421 // .762 line looks decent enough, until you see that it was all as a D-Ray, and in 150 at-bats as a Dodger, he's at a really yucky .219 / .278 / .267 // .545.

Good point by irish.

vtmet
Oct 06 2006 08:32 AM

I like Lugo's speed and versatily over Belliard...but as far as an every day 2nd baseman, I would prefer Belliard...from what I've seen of his defense, I have liked his range and arm (which allows him to play deeper than a lot of 2B's and still get the ball to first quickly)...I doubt that Lugo would agree to a utility role, but IMO that's where his value is the best for a team...both have ties to NY...

if you look at both of their numbers, both have struggled offensively going from the AL to the NL midseason...which kind of makes me ponder a bit...so many "experts" say that the AL is superior to the NL, yet how many AL batters have struggled in their initial leap to the NL, whereas IMO alot of NL guys have improved their batting once in the AL...

Edgy DC
Oct 06 2006 08:37 AM

Yeah, I didn't mean to hijack this thread (not that cleon gave it much of an itinerary) away from the business at hand. My point was only that Julio was committing a huge faux pas and maybe the Dodgers in general are already looking to next season.

ABG
Oct 06 2006 08:38 AM

It seems fairly unlikely at this juncture that the Dodgers will win this series in four games.

vtmet
Oct 06 2006 08:48 AM

ABG wrote:
It seems fairly unlikely at this juncture that the Dodgers will win this series in four games.


which IMO makes it the perfect "Battle Cry" thread to last as long as the Mets are still alive...the prophets of doom said that we should have just conceded: we lost our best reliever in Sanchez; we lost our ace in Pedro; we lost our "mr October" in El'Duque; we lost our RH hitting OFer in Nady; our HR leader from '05 can barely walk; Delgado/Beltran can't hit at Shea; we can't hit lefties; Dodgers are red hot; etc...yet, the Mets are not giving in to excuses...

soupcan
Oct 06 2006 08:50 AM

Meanwhile our Mets have quietly (or maybe not so quietly) won 6 in a row.

Thanks in large part to my facial hair.

vtmet
Oct 06 2006 08:53 AM

I could settle for a 15 game winning streak at the end of the year...kind of makes up for the losses in September when the games didn't mean much...

Valadius
Oct 06 2006 09:58 AM

Take THAT, Pittsburgh series!!!

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 06 2006 10:10 AM

Let's not get too cocky here. We're still vulnerable to a three-game losing streak. And if the Pirates could do it, so can the Dodgers.

cooby
Oct 06 2006 10:23 AM

You be dissin the Pirates? Arrrrgh

Edgy DC
Oct 06 2006 10:29 AM
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cooby is straddling between buccaneer slang and Compton slang. Excellent.

cooby
Oct 06 2006 10:31 AM

That's a wide straddle

MFS62
Oct 06 2006 10:31 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
cooby is straddling between buccaneer slang and Compton slang. Excellent.

A veritable confluence of cultures is our Cooby.

Later

cooby
Oct 06 2006 10:40 AM

Now that you mention it, if you took off the Arrgh, I see what you mean...

soupcan
Oct 10 2006 09:34 AM
Re: Dodgers in 4 See ya Next Year

cleonjones11 wrote:
Maddux,Lowe,Kuo,Penny...hot team

Oliver Perex Glavine and a pile of AAA pitchers. Another Yankee World series...

Typical Mets since 1962


I'm sorry, what was that Nostradomus?

Rockin' Doc
Oct 10 2006 11:23 AM

Could we please get a gloom and doom prediction from cleon on the NLCS with St. Louis? He's got the whole "reverse-Karma" thing down cold.

Nymr83
Oct 10 2006 12:15 PM
Re: Dodgers in 4 See ya Next Year

soupcan wrote:
="cleonjones11"]Maddux,Lowe,Kuo,Penny...hot team

Oliver Perex Glavine and a pile of AAA pitchers. Another Yankee World series...

Typical Mets since 1962


I'm sorry, what was that Nostradomus?


Nostradumbass?