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2006 ALCS - Detroit vs. Oakland

Willets Point Oct 10 2006 06:45 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 10 2006 08:25 PM

Getting past the Yankees gossip and gloating, and the impeding Mets NLCS game #1 and rain, there is actually a series starting tonight. Barry Zito is on the mound for the A's, Nate Robertson starts for the Tigers. Motor City Kitties: C. Granderson CF P. Polanco 2B S. Casey 1B M. Ordonez RF C. Guillen SS I. Rodriguez C C. Monroe LF M. Thames DH B. Inge 3B East Bay Discount Warehouse: J. Kendall C M. Kotsay CF M. Bradley RF F. Thomas DH J. Payton LF E. Chavez 3B N. Swisher 1B M. Scutaro SS D. Jimenez 2B One of these teams may be playing the Mets in the near future, so pay attention! EDIT: Fixed typo per metirish.

metirish Oct 10 2006 07:04 PM

I'm looking forward to this series,should be full of great pitching.. btw I think it's Nate Robertson.

Willets Point Oct 10 2006 08:25 PM

Zito's a Las Vegas native. I didn't think anyone actually came from there.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 10 2006 08:29 PM

When your parents are in show business, you have a decent shot at coming from Vegas.

metirish Oct 10 2006 08:35 PM

Christ I wish they had fired Torre so Lou wouldn't be in the TV booth....

Farmer Ted Oct 10 2006 08:37 PM

I enjoy watching a league championhip series where the home team has tarp over the upper deck because they have no fans.

Willets Point Oct 10 2006 08:38 PM

You think they could take that off for the postseason even if they needed it for the regular season.

metirish Oct 10 2006 08:38 PM

You'd think they would sell tickets for a $ just to fill the place.

Willets Point Oct 10 2006 08:40 PM

I just checked online to see if I could buy tickets for tomorrow's game and it is sold out. Now I'm not about to fly across the country, but I'm sure there are folks in the Bay Area who would happily buy Upper Deck seats if they could get them.

Gwreck Oct 10 2006 08:59 PM

I suspect they may take off the tarps for the WS. It's not like those seats haven't been used for baseball before.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 10 2006 09:19 PM

Is Lou Piniella senile? Or just drunk?

ScarletKnight41 Oct 10 2006 09:23 PM

Detroit has a 3-0 lead in the 4th inning.

Willets Point Oct 10 2006 09:23 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote: Detroit has a 3-0 lead in the 4th inning. Eat 'em Tigers, eat 'em up!!!

metirish Oct 10 2006 09:29 PM

4 to zip..Tigers are mauling them A's.

Willets Point Oct 10 2006 09:29 PM

4-0 for the striped ones. Sounds like there's about 10 people at the Collesium.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 10 2006 09:32 PM

Zito's out in the 4th, down 5-0.

Willets Point Oct 10 2006 09:34 PM

Zito Exit.

Elster88 Oct 10 2006 09:44 PM

I really miss Jay Payton. Frank Thomas runs like a 65 year old woman. Which is pretty darn impressive since he's about 80. Super slo-mo is fucking cool

metirish Oct 10 2006 10:09 PM

Those Tigers have some great defence..

ScarletKnight41 Oct 10 2006 10:14 PM

I can see why it was so humiliating to lose to such a team <rolling my eyes>

smg58 Oct 10 2006 10:29 PM

metirish wrote: Christ I wish they had fired Torre so Lou wouldn't be in the TV booth.... Amen.

Willets Point Oct 10 2006 11:41 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 14 2006 05:40 PM

Willets Point Oct 11 2006 10:23 AM

Tuesdays with Jim Leyland.

cooby Oct 11 2006 10:25 AM

That tiger looks like he was eating cheezits

Valadius Oct 11 2006 08:13 PM

It remains to be seen whether or not the A's have a moment of silence for Cory Lidle tonight. I would be SHOCKED if they didn't.

Frayed Knot Oct 11 2006 08:44 PM

So Casey's injury last night forces the Tiggers to move Guillen to 1st and insert Neifi Perez at SS. OK, that I can see ... but here's what I can't: Perez: .243/.260/.316 (and just 12 singles + 1 double in 65 ABs as a Tiger) And while Inge is hardly great, he's at: 542 ABs; .253/.313/.463 (137 hits, 58 of them for xtra bases) So what's the problem? How 'bout Perez batting 2nd and Inge 9th!! And I'm willing to bet it's based entirely on Neifi's supposed speed - even though he's got a career mark of 57 steals while being caught 45 times!! I mean jeeez, Inge is a former catcher and has almost as good (read: bad) a theft ratio: 25 steals in 50 attempts Now you realize what drives "stats nuts" nuts about "Old-Skool" managers.

cleonjones11 Oct 11 2006 08:50 PM

No Mets No Care Rasta

soupcan Oct 11 2006 09:18 PM

Do you think Lou Piniella knows where he is?

Willets Point Oct 11 2006 09:30 PM

Tigers roar again, lead 5-3 after being down 3-1.

Zvon Oct 11 2006 09:44 PM

Im tryin to catch this game and so far I was only looking at the TV for one pitch, and Bradley hit it out. Dont think I was even lookin--just heard the crowd and looked. lol. Was there a moment of silence for Cory Lidle? Pinella is soooo bad Im really surprised his broadcasting doesnt ruin any chance he'll ever manage anywhere again. He just, most times,(there hv been some interesting insights) sounds so dumb. Yesterday the play by play guy goes- "And its drilled to deep left-----deep enough--------------but its foul." And Pinella goes(something like)_ "That was drilled.......deep to left....but it was foul." --Like he was a freakin parrot or something.

Valadius Oct 11 2006 10:11 PM

Tiggers in front 7-4 now. It is confirmed that there was a moment of silence for Cory Lidle before the game.

TransMonk Oct 11 2006 10:33 PM

FOX is taking some liberties with their pitch speed graphics. Miller and Morgan on ESPN radio said last night that FOX's speed was 3-4 MPH more than what the stadium gun was showing. I don't care how young or good Verlander is...I just can't buy that he was repeatedly hitting triple digits after 90+ pitches. FOX baseball sucks.

Willets Point Oct 11 2006 11:31 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 14 2006 05:41 PM

Johnny Dickshot Oct 11 2006 11:37 PM

Jeez. Jones in the 9th has a 3 run lead, 2 outs, 0 on and 2 strikes on Kendall. He singles, Melhuse walks, Bradley gets a crazy infield single to bring up Big Hurt as the winning run. But as soon as you can say to yerself, this could be Game 6 all over again, Thomas pops out on a meatball down the chute. Was rooting for a few A's runs at least, so that Jones comes to us a little damaged.

Frayed Knot Oct 11 2006 11:42 PM

Detroit's Sean Casey out for this round and almost certainly the next with what seems to be the injury of the month; a tear in his calf muscle. Too bad for him and the Tigers ... especially if it means repeated sightings of Neifi Perez.

Willets Point Oct 11 2006 11:42 PM

Eh, just a higher pedestal to fall off of.

MFS62 Oct 12 2006 10:05 AM

="Frayed Knot"] Too bad for him and the Tigers ... especially if it means repeated sightings of Neifi Perez. As seen on another board. Seems a Tiger fan shares your concern. Later ] If your real-ball team suffered an injury during the postseason, and you found out that: 1) they didn't have a real backup player for that position on their playoff roster, having to switch another regular player to play out of position; 2) they did include on the roster 3 (count 'em, 3) other players who can reasonably play the position vacated by the regular player now playing out of position; and 3) of the 3 players available (let's call them Omar Infante, Ramon Santiago, and Neifi Fucking Perez) they were going to replace that player playing out of position with Neifi Fucking Perez... How pissed off would you be, on a scale of 1-10? As much as I want to say "In Leyland We Trust," I'm clearly developing a love-hate relationship with him. P.S. Corollary question: Just how bad is Neifi Perez? Count for us the ways...

Edgy DC Oct 12 2006 10:08 AM

"real-ball team"? That's just so sad I might sit at my desk and cry all day.

cooby Oct 12 2006 10:08 AM

Double cheezit teeth

MFS62 Oct 12 2006 10:11 AM

Edgy DC wrote: "real-ball team"? The page is mainly about strat, and the league in which most of the posters on that page participate. "Real ball" is how they describe the posters' MLB teams as opposed to their strat teams. Later

Willets Point Oct 12 2006 10:13 AM

MFS62 wrote: ="Edgy DC"]"real-ball team"? The page is mainly about strat, and the league in which most of the posters on that page participate. "Real ball" is how they describe the posters' MLB teams as opposed to their strat teams. Later Edgy has a deep-seeded loathing of fantasy baseball. I think that's why this makes him want to weep.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 12 2006 10:14 AM

Geez, 62, how many boards do you read?

MFS62 Oct 12 2006 11:46 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Geez, 62, how many boards do you read? My wife says too many. Anyhow, here's the answer to the Neifi Perez question posted by another Tigers' fan. Enjoy, Later ]No one really took up the corollary question, but I will: Between the Tigers and Cubs, Neifi Perez somehow blackmailed his managers into 316 plate appearances in 2006. Now, thanks to the miracle that is espn.com sortable stats, I can tell you with confidence that, among all batters with 250 plate appearances or more, Neifi ranked thusly: 5th worst on-base percentage, having a mere one-point advantage at each step on Angel Berroa, Vinny Castilla, and Juan Uribe, but a 35 point advantage over the hideous Tomas Perez. 4th worst walk rate (BB/PA), just points ahead of baseball luminaries such as Shane Costa, Miguel Olivo and the hideous Tomas Perez. But what’s that you say? Those items up above can be made up for with a high batting average, a la Tony Gwynn, Sr.? Well, Neifi Perez is no Tony Gwynn, let me assure you. He’s better than he is in the other categories, having merely the 44th worst batting average, and a full 50 points better than Mark Bellhorn’s, but let’s remember that we’re talking about 267th place out of 310 players with 250 or more PA. Now, last night, the A’s threw Esteban Loaiza on the mound, and Jim Leyland played a hunch in starting the left-handed batting Alexis Gomez over the right-handed batting Marcus Thames at DH, and that worked out pretty well... So, what about Neifi? Despite getting only about 1/3 of his at-bats against lefties, Neifi had well over half of his extra base hits – and both of his home runs – against lefties. Read ’em and weep: .265/.275/.408, 683 OPS v L; .232/.252/.271, 523 OPS v R. What about Leyland’s other options? If Loaiza is so weak against lefty batters (and he is – allowing 891 OPS v L, 685 OPS v R), then what about the other switch-hitter on the bench, the admittedly useless Ramon Santiago? Well, in a much smaller sample size (24 AB v L, 56 AB v R), he has batted: .208/.208/.250, 458 OPS v L, .232/.259/.268, 527 OPS v R. And Omar Infante, who admittedly would bat right-handed against Loaiza, who is tough on righties? .286/.333/.414, 748 v L, .273/.321/.416, 737 OPS v R. So, by not starting Infante, we’re just going to give away 200 points of OPS in production out of the shortstop position, although I must admit that we’ve gained 200 points of OPS in production out of 1st base by putting Carlos Guillen there over Sean Casey. On the other hand, we could have gained 100 points of OPS at the 1st base position by putting Chris Shelton in, and kept our advantage by having a great-hitting SS. So, wait, I’ve distracted myself from the task at hand... How bad is Neifi Perez? Well, maybe it was just a bad year for him, eh? Nope... In 2005, when he used photos of Dusty Baker raping babies to garner 572 at-bats (and, naturally, just 18 walks), he finished the season with the 5th-worst OBP among qualifying full-timers, just 8 points ahead of dead-last Adam Everett and Ivan Rodriguez. Of course, included in that was the 4th-worst walk rate, barely ahead of Robinson Cano and Angel Berroa, but comfortably ahead of Ivan Rodriguez’s divorce-induced hideous year. Again, he could have ameliorated this with a good batting average, and he did hit for average that year better than any other since he left Colorado. But that .274 average still ranked him 84th in MLB, out of 148 players qualifying. And in 2004? Well, he managed to steal a little over 400 plate appearances from other more worthy players, and again managed to stink out loud with the bat. Among those with 300 or more plate appearances, Neifi’s .296 OBP found him 24th-worst in MLB, but if you went with just his performance with the Giants (he hit .371 with a .400 OBP after being picked up by the Cubs – the Giants released him), it would have been the 8th-worst. By some miracle, his walk rate was merely 44th-worst. And that batting average, at .255, it was merely 59th-worst, but still, 218th out of 276 is nothing to write home about. Pardon my review of his 2003 numbers, but I’ll go over them quickly, because 2002 deserves special mention. In 2003, the Giants lost their minds and gave Neifi a touch over 350 plate appearances, and among those with 300 or more, he finished: 10th-worst in OBP, 11th-worst in walk rate, and in batting average, he was merely 78th-worst, or 194th out of 271. Now, in 2002, Neifi spent his entire season with the Royals for the first time after a trade-deadline deal the prior year that you just won’t believe: July 25, 2001, Neifi Perez traded by the Colorado Rockies to the Kansas City Royals for Jermaine Dye. Yeah, straight-up. If Allard Baird is wondering why he is sitting home unemployed (well, he’s probably a scout for somebody somewhere, I’d imagine), this is one of the best reasons out there. So, in 2002, the Royals were pretty much forced by the circumstance of what was traded away for him to give Neifi a full season to suck. And suck he did, for nearly 600 plate appearances. In the same year when Barry Bonds was re-writing the record books at the top of the OBP charts, Neifi occupied the bottom... .260. The same could be said for Bonds’ other-worldly walk rate of .324 BB/PA, while Neifi finished 5th-worst at .034, with only Alfonso Soriano, Corey Patterson, Cristian Guzman and Randall Simon behind him. And his batting average was 6th-worst, ahead of only Aramis Ramirez, Melvin Mora, Vinny Castilla, Raul Mondesi, and Jeromy Burnitz. So, in sum, then, aside from a brief period of “blind squirrel finding a nut” immediately upon joining the Cubs, Neifi has stunk out loud for 5 straight years. Five. Yet, we keep him and the utterly useless Ramon Santiago on the roster, and leave Chris Shelton to rot on the bench. I’m sorry, but I don’t care how good Neifi’s defense is at shortstop, he ain’t worth it.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 13 2006 05:59 PM

Ballgame going on. Kenny Rogers getting it done again so far, holding Oakland to only one hit as they bat in the fifth. Tigers are up 2-0.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 06:12 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Ballgame going on. Kenny Rogers getting it done again so far, holding Oakland to only one hit as they bat in the fifth. Tigers are up 2-0. Rogers--I figured he'd give it his best and all, but- This is rediculous. Ill forever see him throwing that 4th ball and marching off the mound at the end of a former Met post season run.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 06:13 PM

Piniella again sounds like a ranting drunkard today.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 07:04 PM

Zvon wrote: Ill forever see him throwing that 4th ball and marching off the mound at the end of a former Met post season run. .....he may as well have been carrying a suitcase and walkin to catch a bus, the way he marched off that mound. But this Tiger post season. The guys been so intense its sick. I think I hat him. (Im debating this with myself)

Zvon Oct 13 2006 07:29 PM

Tiggers win! One more and they go to THE SHOW! Rogers--unbelieveable. Never would have bet he could do that once, no less twice.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 07:30 PM

It is now ridiculously likely that the Tigers are going to the World Series.

Frayed Knot Oct 13 2006 07:37 PM

Kenny Rogers -- Superstar Are you the same pitcher that we thought you were? Oakland just used some infielder in a late-inning switch who was making his ML debut. First time ever that an ML debut came in a post-season game.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 13 2006 07:44 PM

="Frayed Knot"]Oakland just used some infielder in a late-inning switch who was making his ML debut. First time ever that an ML debut came in a post-season game. Huh? How'd that happen?

Frayed Knot Oct 13 2006 08:01 PM

I didn't catch the details but he was probably the injury replacement when 2B Mark Ellis broke his finger during the first round of play. Because of the injury, any position player on the team's 40-man can be called up for the new round. (Say Cliff had been DL'd between rounds. We could then call up Milledge to replace him even if he had never had his in-season call-up)

Willets Point Oct 13 2006 08:42 PM Edited 4 time(s), most recently on Oct 14 2006 09:26 PM

Willets Point Oct 13 2006 08:44 PM

It was so cold in Detroit Marcus Scutaro was wearing a knit cap over his baseball cap while on the playing field. Oddly, several other players on both teams were wearing shorts sleeves. Also, watching Kenny Rogers tonight, I notice he bears a passing resemblance to Edgy.

Valadius Oct 14 2006 04:21 PM

Steve Lyons was just fired for "making a racially insensitive comment on the air about Lou Piniella's Hispanic heritage."

ScarletKnight41 Oct 14 2006 04:24 PM

Really? What did he say? And Piniella's Hispanic? I always assumed that he was Italian.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 14 2006 04:27 PM

I found the story. It seems like they just could have fired him for morbid banality - ]APNewsBreak: Fox fires Lyons after insensitive comment JANIE McCAULEY Associated Press DETROIT - Fox baseball broadcaster Steve Lyons has been fired for making a racially insensitive comment directed at colleague Lou Piniella's Hispanic heritage on the air during Game 3 of the American League championship series. The network confirmed Saturday that Lyons was dismissed after Friday's comments. He has been replaced for the remainder of the series by Los Angeles Angels announcer Jose Mota. "Steve Lyons has been relieved of his Fox Sports duties for making comments on air that the company found inappropriate," network spokesman Dan Bell said. Lyons had been working in the booth for the ALCS alongside Thom Brennaman and Piniella. A call to Lyons' cell phone was not immediately returned Saturday. In the second inning of Friday's game between Detroit and Oakland, Piniella talked about the success light-hitting A's infielder Marco Scutaro had in the first round of the playoffs. Piniella said that slugger Frank Thomas and Eric Chavez needed to contribute, comparing Scutaro's production to finding a "wallet on Friday" and hoping it happened again the next week. Later, Piniella said the A's needed Thomas to get "en fuego" - hot in Spanish - because he was currently "frio" - or cold. After Brennaman praised Piniella for being bilingual, Lyons spoke up. Lyons said that Piniella was "hablaing Espanol" - butchering the conjugation for the word "to speak" - and added, "I still can't find my wallet." "I don't understand him, and I don't want to sit too close to him now," Lyons continued. Fox executives told Lyons after the game he had been fired. Piniella, approached before Saturday's Game 4, declined to comment on the situation except to say: "No, he's not here today." This was not a first-time offense for Lyons, nicknamed "Psycho" during his nine-year big league career as a utilityman that ended in 1993 with the Boston Red Sox. Hired when Fox began broadcasting baseball in 1996, Lyons was suspended without pay in late September 2004 after his remarks about Shawn Green of the Los Angeles Dodgers. Green is Jewish and elected not to play one of the two games at San Francisco that took place during the Yom Kippur holiday. The network apologized for Lyons' remarks at the time. Lyons, 46, was a career .252 hitter with 19 home runs and 196 RBIs for Boston, the Chicago White Sox, Atlanta and Montreal. He was a first-round draft pick by the Red Sox, 19th overall, in 1981. --- AP Baseball Writer Ben Walker contributed to this story.

Valadius Oct 14 2006 04:36 PM

You know, I didn't pay much attention to it at the time, even though I was watching the game. If anything, it just sounded dumb when he said it.

Willets Point Oct 14 2006 04:46 PM

A's take a 2-0 lead in the first inning of game 4.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 14 2006 04:49 PM

Now I want to know what Lyons said about Shawn Green in 2004.

Valadius Oct 14 2006 04:53 PM

Got it: ]Steve Lyons questioned Shawn Green’s commitment to Judaism after the Los Angeles Dodgers slugger sat out a key game on Yom Kippur. Green’s “not a practicing Jew,” Lyons said. “He didn’t marry a Jewish girl.” He added: “And from what I understand, he never had a bar mitzvah, which is unfortunate because he didn’t get the money.” Fox apologized and said Lyons expressed remorse.

KC Oct 14 2006 04:54 PM

Steve Lyons -- vendedor de seguros futuro de automobile

ScarletKnight41 Oct 14 2006 05:00 PM

Thanks Val. Just out of curiosity, where did you find that? Kase - LOL. Perhaps he also has a future in the beverage distribution business.

Valadius Oct 14 2006 05:06 PM

Oddly enough, the Canadian Jewish News.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 14 2006 05:10 PM

Cool. I've been doing archive searches in different sources from September 2004, and I came up empty. Thanks

Willets Point Oct 14 2006 05:39 PM

The Cheezit-tooth Tiger is gone!!!!

cooby Oct 14 2006 05:48 PM

The new one is much prettier!

KC Oct 14 2006 05:49 PM

Maybe he commited a racial faux pa?

ScarletKnight41 Oct 14 2006 05:51 PM

Jay Payton homered to give Oakland a 3-0 lead.

Frayed Knot Oct 14 2006 06:26 PM

Now 3-3. Coupla hits plus an error, then a Magglio Ordonez leadoff HR in the 6th tied it off Danny Haren (the former StL prospect they dealt away for the injured Mark Mulder). Not that I mind Steve Lyons being canned (who I've thought was a dope for years now) but that statement seems more stupid than insulting and if you were going to fire him for dumb statements he wouldn't have lasted through the first practice run much less 10 years (or however long he's been at it now). Piniella roots, like many Tampa natives, are, I believe, Cuban.

Willets Point Oct 14 2006 06:42 PM

I hadn't realized this until the radio announcer mentioned it, but there are 9 players on the Tigers roster who also played for the team in the lousy 2003 season. This must be especially special for them.

cooby Oct 14 2006 07:05 PM

KC wrote: Maybe he commited a racial faux pa? or faux paw

Willets Point Oct 14 2006 07:11 PM

When Houston Street pitches does that make the mound SoHo?

cooby Oct 14 2006 07:45 PM

Don't we have to wait for this game to be over before ours will start? They need to hurry up!

seawolf17 Oct 14 2006 07:52 PM

These Tigers scare me.

seawolf17 Oct 14 2006 07:53 PM

Sweep. Yikes!

metirish Oct 14 2006 07:53 PM

Well that's how to finish things...WOW

Valadius Oct 14 2006 07:55 PM

Well... better start figuring out the Tigers.

Frayed Knot Oct 14 2006 07:55 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 14 2006 07:56 PM

Well, we've got our next opponent (assuming we advance) Magglio Ordonez - who had been quiet up til today - just smacked his 2nd HR of the day, this one a walk-off, 3R, pennant winning HR!!!! WOW!

Zvon Oct 14 2006 07:56 PM

wowzers-dramatic end.

metirish Oct 14 2006 07:56 PM

Is this the end for Lou Piniella or will he be doing the WS?, I hope he's done.

Zvon Oct 14 2006 07:57 PM

seawolf17 wrote: These Tigers scare me. They should. I can only hope and pray we have a chance to be scared by them in the BIG SHOW.

Willets Point Oct 14 2006 08:00 PM

Yay!

metirish Oct 14 2006 08:01 PM

Leyland manager of the year or Torre...it's gotta be Joe with the job he did getting that shitty team to the playoffs.

Frayed Knot Oct 14 2006 08:01 PM

metirish wrote: Is this the end for Lou Piniella or will he be doing the WS?, I hope he's done. You're letting yourself get too hung up on Lou there dude. Let it go. It'll be Buck, McCarver, plus [someone] for the Series. Not sure who the 3rd man will be. Good for Detroit. That city, like Cincy, has a great baseball tradition that's been beat down in recent years due to bad teams and bad mgmt.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 14 2006 08:09 PM

I was pulling for the Tigers, but wouldn't have minded them taking it until seven games so they weren't so rested. I love it when the do the trophy ceremony on the field where everyone can see it.

seawolf17 Oct 14 2006 08:22 PM

Let me the first to warn anyone even thinking about jumping the gun on a KTE that we still have three more wins to go, and if someone fucks up the mojo, then I'm holding that person personally responsible, even if Oliver Perez gives up fourteen runs tomorrow.

Zvon Oct 14 2006 08:26 PM

metirish wrote: Leyland manager of the year or Torre...it's gotta be Joe with the job he did getting that shitty team to the playoffs. Leyland is the great story-and the manager of the year, IMO.

Willets Point Oct 14 2006 09:27 PM

Congrats to the Tigers. I never had to find an image of an albino pachyderm for this thread.

Zvon Oct 14 2006 10:17 PM

Brodcaster Steve Lyons fired for racial remarks during todays game. I heard what he said too--it did occur to me that it wasnt the best, or smartest thing to say, but it wasnt THAT big a deal.

OlerudOwned Oct 14 2006 10:22 PM

="Zvon"]Brodcaster Steve Lyons fired for racial remarks during todays game. I heard what he said too--it did occur to me that it wasnt the best, or smartest thing to say, but it wasnt THAT big a deal. It seemed misinterpreted. Maybe they really fired him be being a lousy broadcaster. Nah, that never happens.

Willets Point Oct 14 2006 10:30 PM

This thread is about the Tigers not the Lyons.

OlerudOwned Oct 14 2006 10:32 PM

Oh my.

Zvon Oct 14 2006 10:35 PM

LMAO. This is great. I can still laugh. I was worried there....... Thnx WP and O_O. I really did need that laugh.