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Mets v Cards - NLCS Game 2 -- IGT

Frayed Knot Oct 13 2006 01:52 PM

Maine vs Carpenter Small samples in pitcher/batter history to go on here Beltran: 4/19 plus a walk but w/2 HRs (.211/.238/.526) Valentin: 1/15 tho w/4 BBs (.067/.263/.067) Chavez: 0-for-11, 2 Ks LoDuca: 1 single + 1 double in 6 ABs Delgado: 1 single + 1 double in 3 ABs Tucker: 2/9 w/1 HR Wright: 0/3; Reyes: 1/3 and, unfortunately, our best hitter against Carpenter won't play against him tonight. With a single and a double w/3 RBIs in 2 ABs ... Tom Glavine Maine faced the Cards just once, in that game where he basically got Pujols-ed to within an inch of his life until the Mets came back to win.

metirish Oct 13 2006 01:57 PM

Carpenter V The Mets . Career vs. Mets: 1-2, 4.24 ERA, 3 starts Career postseason: 4-0, 2.10 ERA, 5 starts Remember when Pujols last faced Maine.....7RBI ...

Willets Point Oct 13 2006 02:25 PM

I thought the game was at 8 tonight. This is an awfully early start on the IGT.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 13 2006 02:31 PM

It's the pregame show. Last night was a game the Mets were supposed to win, and they did. I think this one could be called a game the Cards are supposed to win. It'll be big if the Mets can steal it from them. I plan on tuning in!

metirish Oct 13 2006 02:36 PM

Carpenter's road ERA this season is 4.70....Go Mets

soupcan Oct 13 2006 03:50 PM

Um, did you guys get permission from Mr. Rogers before starting this thread? I certainly hope you did.

metirish Oct 13 2006 03:52 PM

Yeah I thought Steve was going to do every postseason KTE,IGT and EKG...

Yancy Street Gang Oct 13 2006 03:55 PM

soupcan wrote: Um, did you guys get permission from Mr. Rogers before starting this thread? I thought you were talking about this guy!

soupcan Oct 13 2006 05:21 PM

Spezio getting the start over Rolen tonight.

Gwreck Oct 13 2006 05:39 PM

Hasn't been announced yet but you can also expect Duncan in for Wilson in left.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 06:29 PM

metirish wrote: Yeah I thought Steve was going to do every postseason KTE,IGT and EKG... Ha! EKG.lol. We Met fans can be contained. But we cant be controlled. Whoever brings the IGT 1st is fine with me. Hope FK brings the luck, if the Mets should need some.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 07:24 PM

Willets Point wrote: I thought the game was at 8 tonight. This is an awfully early start on the IGT. So,.... an 8:05 (listed) game start really is more like an 8:20 start, isnt it? I never know, the way TV takes control of the event.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 07:45 PM

ANOTHER PLANE? WITH A-ROD??? His plane ran off the runway, but he's ok.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 07:46 PM

Valadius wrote: ANOTHER PLANE? WITH A-ROD??? His plane ran off the runway, but he's ok. Yea--just seein this Wacky stuff. Kinda scary too.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 07:47 PM

Steinbrenner might go to a John Madden-esque policy for his players now.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 13 2006 07:48 PM

Some idiot is going to say that there's a "Curse."

Zvon Oct 13 2006 07:55 PM

LMAO! Great Fri 13th segment/spot there on Fox. That was funny. Normally a Friday the 13th game might worry me, but not with Wags bein #13. That changes everything. That makes it a lucky day.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 08:00 PM

I hope Buck has gum for everybody....................

Valadius Oct 13 2006 08:06 PM

Here we go!

Zvon Oct 13 2006 08:11 PM

Good start 1-2-3 for Maine. Nice. I think if we keep Ekstein from hitting and reaching, we are half way there. No way can Pujols do it alone. Even if he drives in 7, we'll drive in 8. ;)

Valadius Oct 13 2006 08:13 PM

GOGGLES!!!

metsguyinmichigan Oct 13 2006 08:13 PM

Hi guys! I'm at work tonight, but we have a TV and we're entering a slow part of the evening. Do the A's plan on showing up at some point? Not for nothing, but next time I'm on a plane, I'm asking if there are any Yankees on board.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 08:14 PM

Wow--a single for Reyes-legged into a lead off double. LoDuke moves him over to third. Getting Reyes in here would be big.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 08:16 PM

Here comes Delgado.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 08:18 PM

Valadius Oct 13 2006 08:18 PM

CARLOOOOOOOOOOOOS DELGAAAAAAAADOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

metsguyinmichigan Oct 13 2006 08:19 PM

Awesome!!!!!! Tiger fans in the newsroom are displeased by my jumping and fist-pumping.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 08:19 PM

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cVlbIWq1EA]Let's Go Mets!!![/url]

Valadius Oct 13 2006 08:21 PM

WOW!!! Thank you whoever threw that beach ball on the field!!!

Zvon Oct 13 2006 08:21 PM

mmmmm. Wright gets another chance--and walks! crazy stuff.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 08:24 PM

AWESOME baserunning by Wright!

Zvon Oct 13 2006 08:24 PM

OHH! Awsum running by Wright keeps the inning alive. Wow.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 08:26 PM

Aww--cant get him in. Well, we are up 3-0 and made Carpenter throw more pitches than he had to. Ill take it. :)

Valadius Oct 13 2006 08:27 PM

Great inning by our Metsies.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 08:32 PM

Spiezio looks like a fucking retard with that red tuft on his chin.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 08:32 PM

Ugh--lead off walk for Cards in the 2nd. Dont like that-not a bit. And then the twisting grounder gets by Delgado..crap. 1st and 3rd- 0 out.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 08:32 PM

SHIT!!! Delgado fucks up.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 08:34 PM

Big pitch coming up here.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 08:35 PM

FUCKING SHIT!!!!!!!

Zvon Oct 13 2006 08:36 PM

bases loaded- if we EVER needed a DP, the time is now.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 08:37 PM

PHEW. One away.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 08:37 PM

...or 3 pop ups...thatll work. Whew-- One out

Valadius Oct 13 2006 08:38 PM

FUCKSHIT!!!!

Zvon Oct 13 2006 08:38 PM

UGH--the shitty hitting catcher drives in 2 with a line hit to right.

metirish Oct 13 2006 08:38 PM

Shit, I hate when our pitcher gives the runs right back...Molina gets two runs home.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 08:40 PM

Let's go Maine!!!

Zvon Oct 13 2006 08:41 PM

Maine gets the call on Carpenter-YAY!

metirish Oct 13 2006 08:41 PM

Tim McCarver wondering why there in no one warming up in the Mets pen...come on Tim it's the second inning...

Valadius Oct 13 2006 08:42 PM

Thank you Pistachio!!!

Zvon Oct 13 2006 08:43 PM

Thank you Eckstein.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 08:45 PM

Lasorda looks weird in a bowtie.

Willets Point Oct 13 2006 08:46 PM

Valadius wrote: Let's go Maine!!! And New Hampshire and Vermont too!!!

Valadius Oct 13 2006 08:47 PM

Great double by N-D, awesome bunt by Maine.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 08:48 PM

Jose Jose Jose Jose. Jose. Jose.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 08:49 PM

Yea! Endy hits! GREAT bunt by Maine! Reyes knocks him in! 4-2

Valadius Oct 13 2006 09:01 PM

Double play here. Come on Maine.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 09:01 PM

Well, walks may kill but Id rather see Pujols reach that way as opposed to any other way. But come on Mainey--settle down. Go get em.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 09:03 PM

FUCKING SHIT!!!!!

Zvon Oct 13 2006 09:03 PM

FRACK! Edmunds goes yard. Tie ballgame.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 09:05 PM

Let's get some action in the bullpen.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 09:07 PM

Ok, 2 outs.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 09:08 PM

PHEW!!! Let's get some more runs in.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 09:10 PM

I'm getting sick of those Aquos TV commercials.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 09:11 PM

Coulda been worse. 4-4. Im with Willie. Squeeze Maine for eveything we can get. But only for sooo long. We are still in this,,,,, But unless Maine throws quality strikes, his pitches are REALLY numbered now. Even a lead off walk next frame--pull him.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 09:12 PM

Ok, time for Wright to do something here.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 09:14 PM

Valadius wrote: Ok, time for Wright to do something here. That'd be real nice. Ill take the walk. Delgados shot up the middle--damn-I hate shifts by opposing teams.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 09:19 PM

GREAT at-bat by the Green Monster!!!

Edgy DC Oct 13 2006 09:23 PM

The problem with tagging Mellancamp a sellout is that guys like him and Petty don't fit in any radio formats any longer, so commercials are the best way to tell people that they have a new album.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 09:28 PM

One of these days, Eckstein will strain something running to first on a walk.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 09:29 PM

Edgy DC wrote: The problem with tagging Mellancamp a sellout is that guys like him and Petty don't fit in any radio formats any longer, so commercials are the best way to tell people that they have a new album. Thanks for that tid-bit out of nowhere,lol. (That song is growing on me- drat!) Eckstein makes it to third. I told ya bout this guy.... Cant let him be reachin.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 13 2006 09:29 PM

Okay, FOX, I'm all good on close-ups of Chris Duncan making out with that enormous wad of chew in his lip, thank you.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 09:30 PM

YES!!!!!!!!! Maines 3rd K is crucial.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 09:30 PM

Way to get out of the inning, Maine!

metsguyinmichigan Oct 13 2006 09:36 PM

OK, I'm back... --- I like the Mellencamp song. Saw him last year, great concert. --- What's with our D tonight? --- Valentin can mix in a hit once in a while.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 09:37 PM

Tucker hits for Maine, and is hit by Carpenter. I wished for more from Maine, but I like that he has kept us in this ballgame. Thats all I can ask for from him here.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 09:38 PM

Chad Bradford looks to be coming into the game.

Edgy DC Oct 13 2006 09:41 PM

Chad Bradford, the last Jackson Met.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 09:45 PM

Wonder if Pujols will go on record saying Maine and all the Mets pitchers (who end up in) pitched bad,...had nothing....blah,blah, waaWaa.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 09:46 PM

Wow, that dude is a retard.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 09:51 PM

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqv9Z6W4nCY]Slash does an awesome guitar solo. I love this ad.[/url]

Valadius Oct 13 2006 09:53 PM

Let's go Delgado!!!

Valadius Oct 13 2006 09:54 PM

DELGAAAAAAAAADOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Zvon Oct 13 2006 09:55 PM

ScarletKnight41 Oct 13 2006 09:55 PM

metirish Oct 13 2006 09:56 PM

I think Delgado is enjoying his first postseason experience...

ScarletKnight41 Oct 13 2006 09:57 PM

Z - that's fabulous! (MK thinks so also!)

Valadius Oct 13 2006 09:58 PM

All right!!! Green Monster!!!

Valadius Oct 13 2006 10:01 PM

Let's go N-D!!!

Zvon Oct 13 2006 10:01 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote: Z - that's fabulous! (MK thinks so also!) HaHa--thanks! That layout had only been prepared for 5 Met players. Of course Delgado was one of em. LETS GET MORE RUNS METS!

Yancy Street Gang Oct 13 2006 10:03 PM

This is a real squirmy kind of game. I'm very fidgety. Making my cat crazy.

metirish Oct 13 2006 10:04 PM

Is Bert coming in?, I'm worried....

metirish Oct 13 2006 10:06 PM

Bradford back to pitch...good.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 10:06 PM

I'd rather not see Robocop in there.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 13 2006 10:09 PM

I don't miss Mike Jacobs. At all.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 10:10 PM

Neither do I. Not now.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 10:11 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I don't miss Mike Jacobs. At all. Nope,not at all. He did ok this season too. Okay for a Fish.

metirish Oct 13 2006 10:11 PM

Carpenter lifted for a pinch hitter...I like that..

Valadius Oct 13 2006 10:13 PM

Feliciano coming in.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 10:13 PM

metirish wrote: Carpenter lifted for a pinch hitter...I like that.. But as a result Chad is lifted.. but I like Felicianoooooooooo. So far, so good.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 13 2006 10:15 PM

2 pitches, 1 out. Whew!

Zvon Oct 13 2006 10:18 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote: 2 pitches, 1 out. Whew! Usually its Bradford who does that. lol.

metirish Oct 13 2006 10:18 PM

Feliciano has been brilliant for the Mets this season....time for the Mets to hammer the pen.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 10:19 PM

Andy Hernandy up to bat.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 10:21 PM

And the ump blows the call.

Edgy DC Oct 13 2006 10:22 PM

Overmatched.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 10:23 PM

Reyes walks, here's Dookie.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 10:24 PM

Im really impressed the way Reyes is looking over pitches. Even if he Kd, Id say that. But he walks. Very nice to see him not swinging wildly in the post season, for the most part.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 10:26 PM

All right Dookie!!!

metirish Oct 13 2006 10:26 PM

I love LoDuca..and I really love Reyes.....

Zvon Oct 13 2006 10:26 PM

damn! Reyes can flyyyyyy man. That run is HUGE!

ScarletKnight41 Oct 13 2006 10:26 PM

Ole Jose! Reyes scores on LoDuca's double! 6-4!

Valadius Oct 13 2006 10:27 PM

And David comes out of the dugout saying "ROCK ON!"

metsguyinmichigan Oct 13 2006 10:28 PM

Lo Duca and Delgado...imagine how decent the Fish would have been had they held on to these guys? Glad they didn't, of course...

Valadius Oct 13 2006 10:30 PM

Here's Delgado once more.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 10:33 PM

Valadius wrote: Here's Delgado once more. ...ya cant hit em all out. ( I dont have a graphic for that ) K-Mets are in good shape here. We're where we wanna be. We have a lead late. Mota coming in? mmmmm.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 10:36 PM

niccccce play by Val

Edgy DC Oct 13 2006 10:39 PM

It's in other threads, but the Fishies did OK in those trades.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 10:42 PM

note to FOX booth___________________ we know Pujols is the best hitter in the game-- so SHUT-UP-ALREADY!

Zvon Oct 13 2006 10:43 PM

Holding Pujols to a single on that....absolutely amazing. Chavez isDAmAn!

Valadius Oct 13 2006 10:48 PM

FUCKSHIT!!!

ScarletKnight41 Oct 13 2006 10:49 PM

Crap - 6-6. Green just missed catching it, but his glove brought it back into the park at least.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 10:49 PM

DAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYM. OH--if Green makes that catch.....! But he cant haul it in. tied again. The umps better not call that a homer.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 10:51 PM

Thank goodness they didn't.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 10:51 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote: Crap - 6-6. Green just missed catching it, but his glove brought it back into the park at least. bringin it back in might end up being a game saver. I can only hope thats how it looks in the postgame. Damn. Damn,damn,damn, damn,damn.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 13 2006 10:52 PM

This is murder.

Edgy DC Oct 13 2006 10:52 PM

He almost knocked it out with his face. Funny that the manager went out to coach the pitcher, he throws the wrong pitch, and then the coach goes out to yank him.

metirish Oct 13 2006 10:53 PM

We can still win this game.....

Zvon Oct 13 2006 10:54 PM

If Green makes that catch........another Met postgame play for the ages. Damn--I wanted him to make that grab. But I[u:b7f0b535ba] will [/u:b7f0b535ba]settle for him keeping it in the park. Heilman on, and hopefully shuts em down til the 9th.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 10:55 PM

PHEW.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 10:56 PM

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w6H4HtOV2s]Stretch Time![/url]

Edgy DC Oct 13 2006 10:57 PM

I may be misreading this, but Pedro seemed to be questioning Mota's pitch selection. I am also, and so is Tim McCarver, but Pedro seems to be doing it to Mota's face, as he's pointing at his head (think, Guillermo) while talking to him, and Mota is looking back at him like he wants to put Pedro's other arm in a cast.

Hillbilly Oct 13 2006 10:59 PM

Give Pedro a raise, now!! He should be pointing at his head and his ass!

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:00 PM

Let's get back to work, Metsies!

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:02 PM

Valentin is due.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 11:02 PM

Edgy DC wrote: I may be misreading this, but Pedro seemed to be questioning Mota's pitch selection. I am also, and so is Tim McCarver, but Pedro seems to be doing it to Mota's face, as he's pointing at his head (think, Guillermo) while talking to him, and Mota is looking back at him like he wants to put Pedro's other arm in a cast. Tim has a valid point (mark the date) with the "out"pitch talk.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:02 PM

Boy did I call that one!

Edgy DC Oct 13 2006 11:03 PM

That's what 'Tin needed. A chance to bat rightie.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 13 2006 11:04 PM

Mets have three pitchers left in their pen: Hernandez, Oliver, and Wagner.

Hillbilly Oct 13 2006 11:04 PM

Heilman will keep us in there? Do you hit for him with it tied in the bottom of the frame? I wonder how Cliff feels tonight?

Zvon Oct 13 2006 11:05 PM

Valadius wrote: Boy did I call that one! ......call for some more good stuff!

Zvon Oct 13 2006 11:07 PM

Hillbilly wrote: Heilman will keep us in there? Do you hit for him with it tied in the bottom of the frame? I wonder how Cliff feels tonight? I really only want to see Wags in a Mets have the lead kind of situation. But only the game can dictate how it goes.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:08 PM

1 out. Preston Wilson on deck now.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:10 PM

Molina has earned the title of "Shitface" from me now.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 11:11 PM

UGH--Molina. This is what makes baseball the greatest game. Some no bat catcher suddenly hits like Ted Freakin Williams. Held the loser to a single HA! good.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:12 PM

Let's go Heilman!!!

Hillbilly Oct 13 2006 11:13 PM

JD already coined 'fatassed catcher', and I'm glad he did, otherwise he'd be on 2nd base with that hit down the line.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 11:15 PM

Heilman got Wilson GOOD! STRIKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE3 Nice movement on that change!

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:16 PM

THANK FREAKING GOD.

Hillbilly Oct 13 2006 11:16 PM

Don't do a Mota and go bacK in there!!!!

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:17 PM

Wait... did Mookie marry his brother's wife? I thought Preston was his nephew.

Hillbilly Oct 13 2006 11:18 PM

He's from rural SC. Who was he suposed to marry?

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:19 PM

SHIT!!!

Hillbilly Oct 13 2006 11:19 PM

Get out of this inning, now!!!

Edgy DC Oct 13 2006 11:20 PM

This at-bat by Eck is driving me crazy.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 11:20 PM

...somebody tell Eckstein the object is to hit the ball in betweeeeeeeeen the lines. damn pesky mini-shortstop. Tim says Heilman has to exhaust Eck, but all these pitches,,,well--i aint gonna say it.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:21 PM

PHEWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!

Hillbilly Oct 13 2006 11:21 PM

Even that ground had to scare us!

Edgy DC Oct 13 2006 11:21 PM

Hillbilly wrote: He's from rural SC. Who was he suposed to marry? Smasher of regional stereotyping, ladies and gennilmen.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 13 2006 11:21 PM

So who hits for Heilman? I say... Woody.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:22 PM

Dumbo or the Old Fart.

Edgy DC Oct 13 2006 11:23 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 13 2006 11:23 PM

You make the call. Who leads off? Woodie, in an attempt to set the table? Cliffie, in an attempt to end it one swing? Franco, in an attempt to not go down without using your best pinch-hitter, even in a non-RBI situation? Castro, in an attempt to be cute?

Zvon Oct 13 2006 11:23 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: So who hits for Heilman? I say... Woody. Earlier I was hoping to see that classical matchup, Carpenter vs. Wood(y). BadaBING!

Edgy DC Oct 13 2006 11:24 PM

Generalissimo.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 11:24 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Cliffie, in an attempt to end it one swing? not in the 8th. Cliffy only if we are in a position for a limpoff homer.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:24 PM

And it's the Old Fart.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 13 2006 11:25 PM

Let's Kill Kinney!

Hillbilly Oct 13 2006 11:26 PM

I lived in Aiken, SC for six years. Mookie hails from Bamburg, if I remember correctly. I was always surprise that the town didn't have more love for Mookie, but it is a very small rural town and from looks of it, it's best days are well behind. But my comment, related to the fact that it's a tiny town.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:28 PM

Let's go Jose!!!

Zvon Oct 13 2006 11:28 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote: Let's Kill Kinney! ...us bastards! lol :)

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:29 PM

All right Jose!!!

Hillbilly Oct 13 2006 11:29 PM

I'd like to see Reyes running, NOW!!!

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:32 PM

Let's go Beltran!!! This is your time!!!

Hillbilly Oct 13 2006 11:32 PM

Thi s starting to set up nicely!

Zvon Oct 13 2006 11:32 PM

Hillbilly wrote: I'd like to see Reyes running, NOW!!! wish the no hit catcher wasnt in there. Hey! Ill take a walk to move him over. Big bats with 2 on, 1 out. I like.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:35 PM

FUCKSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zvon Oct 13 2006 11:35 PM

UGH- DP Last thing I expected. sheesh(lol)

Willets Point Oct 13 2006 11:35 PM

RATFUCK!

Hillbilly Oct 13 2006 11:36 PM

I can't believe it. We can't waste chances like that.

Edgy DC Oct 13 2006 11:37 PM

How good a defensive game has Belliard and his fat butt had?

Hillbilly Oct 13 2006 11:38 PM

He's had an impact.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:41 PM

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hillbilly Oct 13 2006 11:41 PM

These bit players are starting to piss me off!

ScarletKnight41 Oct 13 2006 11:42 PM

Fuckshit! Taguchi homers off of Wagner. St. Louis up 7-6 in the 9th :(

metirish Oct 13 2006 11:42 PM

WOW..I mean fucking WOW... Wagner

Willets Point Oct 13 2006 11:42 PM

Stop fartin' around. Send these putzes dragging their bats back to the dugout and bring up Delgado for the walkoff homerun.

Willets Point Oct 13 2006 11:43 PM

Ah, fuckit!!!

Zvon Oct 13 2006 11:43 PM

are you kiddin me? (I left the TV for a minute)

Willets Point Oct 13 2006 11:43 PM

He continued farting around. No one ever listens to me.

Hillbilly Oct 13 2006 11:44 PM

So far Wags is fooling nobody.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 11:46 PM

...this is why I didnt want Wags in. I dont want the Cards getting to him unless we have a lead. Cuz this hurts our motivation on so many levels.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:47 PM

FUCKING SHIT!!!!!!

Zvon Oct 13 2006 11:47 PM

Aw .....crapizillacoyds. Its getting away.....

Hillbilly Oct 13 2006 11:49 PM

We still get a crack at them, but damn,... Wags.

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:49 PM

I'm shocked too, Joe Buck.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 11:51 PM

UGH-what a waste a Wags.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 11:53 PM

Zvon wrote: UGH-what a waste a Wags. Can only blame Wags tho--he has to come thru in these situations as well as save sitch's.

Willets Point Oct 13 2006 11:54 PM

Can the Mets face Looper in the bottom of the 9th just so we get a fighting chance?

Valadius Oct 13 2006 11:55 PM

What a rundown!

Edgy DC Oct 13 2006 11:56 PM

Dear Duaner, I miss you. I miss you when the other lineup is stacked with righties. Billy just tries to pound them inside like he's still 25. He's not. Make him stop, Duaner. And get well soon. Love, Edgy DC

Zvon Oct 13 2006 11:57 PM

I just dont like what it does for motivation if they get to Wags. At any time that applies, but esp this early in the series. He would have been the last arm I wouldve run out there, and hopefully with a lead. But, I aint no manager. A manager would probly have liked 2 innings out of Wagner there,... best laid plans.

Hillbilly Oct 13 2006 11:57 PM

The play was to first. Wright didn't have that set up well because no one was behind him. He did well to get back and get the run down going in a rotation.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 11:58 PM

Hillbilly wrote: The play was to first. Wright didn't have that set up well because no one was behind him. He did well to get back and get the run down going in a rotation. Yea, that was a lil scary.

Edgy DC Oct 13 2006 11:58 PM

Tyler, stick it in your cheek like everybody else. You're making me sick.

Zvon Oct 14 2006 12:03 AM

Frackin Rolin.

Zvon Oct 14 2006 12:04 AM

DAMN! We gave one away! WAGNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zvon Oct 14 2006 12:04 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 14 2006 12:05 AM

DAMN! We gave one away! WAGNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Got the 'ol debug message here--whoops.

Valadius Oct 14 2006 12:05 AM

Fucking bullshit.

Willets Point Oct 14 2006 12:05 AM

Well the winning was fun while it lasted.

Hillbilly Oct 14 2006 12:06 AM

This game was so winable. The Cards got it done but the Mets couldn't. We need to get a solid start from Stevie Wonder and get back on the winning track cause this game sucked.

Valadius Oct 14 2006 12:06 AM

I know what must have happened. Looper snuck into the Mets' clubhouse and switched gloves with Wagner. Looper's suckiness rubbed off.

Zvon Oct 14 2006 12:06 AM

We cant be giving games away tho. Id rather be blown out. DAMN YOU WAGNER!!! *until next time you come in and do great)

TransMonk Oct 14 2006 12:10 AM

#13 blows it on Friday the 13th. My triskaidekaphobia has returned.

Zvon Oct 14 2006 12:11 AM

Hillbilly wrote: This game was so winable. The Cards got it done but the Mets couldn't. We need to get a solid start from Stevie Wonder and get back on the winning track cause this game sucked. this was actually a great game. But, yea, the ending sucked.

Zvon Oct 14 2006 12:12 AM

Two bombs by Delgado--TWO. And we lose.......not good.

Edgy DC Oct 14 2006 12:14 AM

The Mets got outplayed in small ways. For the record, I'd not rather be blown out.

holychicken Oct 14 2006 12:19 AM

All I can say is that I REALLY hate baseball.

Zvon Oct 14 2006 12:28 AM

I had left the room for a minute at that point,..just saw the Tagushi homer now for the 1st time. How can Wagner give it up to him? How? Thats insane! Well, its driven me crazy. We got to Carpenter and had the lead, and I really thought that was gonna be the hardest part tonight. We all know, watchin alot a games, that no pen can be perfect. Not for a whole season. For a whole series? It would have been nice. And for it to be Wagner to Tagushi in the ninth......thats wack.

askus3 Oct 14 2006 12:50 AM Randolph blew it in the 6th!

Just my opinion. Anyone else agree? The Mets had a 6-4 lead and they brought Feliciano in to get the last out in the top of the 6th. They needed to lead off with a pinch-hitter in the bottom of the 6th, so the logical move I was saying to my daughter while we were watching the game was to do a double switch. Bring in Anderson Hernandez to bat 9th and play 2B for Valentin and lead off and bat Feliciano 7th. (Chavez made the last out in the 5th). Ironically A. Hernandez was brought in to pinch-hit. If Randolph did this he would have got more mileage out of a rested Feliciano and a better glove in the line-up for defense and no worse a hitter (than Valentin of late- both suck). And if you want to pinch hit with men on base you could even bring Woodward in later on. Thus they wasted an extra inning or two they would have got out of Feliciano. Mota would not have given up the tying triple to Spezio and who knows what might have happened. In the chess match Randolph blew it in my opinion.

Zvon Oct 14 2006 01:09 AM Re: Randolph blew it in the 6th!

askus3 wrote: Just my opinion. Anyone else agree? The Mets had a 6-4 lead and they brought Feliciano in to get the last out in the top of the 6th. They needed to lead off with a pinch-hitter in the bottom of the 6th, so the logical move I was saying to my daughter while we were watching the game was to do a double switch. Bring in Anderson Hernandez to bat 9th and play 2B for Valentin and lead off and bat Feliciano 7th. (Chavez made the last out in the 5th). Ironically A. Hernandez was brought in to pinch-hit. If Randolph did this he would have got more mileage out of a rested Feliciano and a better glove in the line-up for defense and no worse a hitter (than Valentin of late- both suck). And if you want to pinch hit with men on base you could even bring Woodward in later on. Thus they wasted an extra inning or two they would have got out of Feliciano. Mota would not have given up the tying triple to Spezio and who knows what might have happened. In the chess match Randolph blew it in my opinion. I was very surprised that Feliciano was used in that way. One batter-two pitches. But many times thats just what you need from your pen. Its a bit easier, in retrospect, being an armchair manager. Especially in this game. But I hear ya. Personally I even questioned the use of Mota (to myself--said "mmmm" on board) at all tonight, or at that point anyway, considering the rested pen and the other arms out there. But at first Mota looked mahhhhhvelous. I dunno-baseball is funny like that. Best laid plans and all.... Bottomline-Wagner was given the job to get us thru the ninth----- and we all had to be happy to be in that position. Ahead or tied,it looked good and was a good place to be. Wagner failed. I wonder how he writes this up in his column...........

Gwreck Oct 14 2006 01:30 AM

I was less worried about the performance -- sometimes it gets away, there's only one Mariano Rivera, etc. -- than I was about bullpen management. Using Feliciano for John Rodriguez? Seems kinda unnecessary, especially when Bradford was going great. Willie played like it was a 9 inning game, which is great, but I don't think he had much saved for extras, and it's only Game 2 of 5 games in a row. It was nice meeting many of you prior to the game. PS. Happy Birthday Duaner.

Edgy DC Oct 14 2006 01:59 AM

I think (1) the Mets didn't want to send their lefty out against the top of the order --- Eckstein (R) - Duncan(L) - Pujols(R). (2) I'm mad enough as it is that Hernandez got one at-bat. I don't think two would have been a solution.

Johnny Dickshot Oct 14 2006 08:30 AM

Misery. Big goofs: 1) Delgado's error. --We can't do anything to shorten the outings of guys like Maine. 2) Should yanked Mota after the Edmonds walk. --Pujols worked him hard. I was right field and couldn't see the Green play: Don't even wanna see the highlights. I'd like it if Wright could provide an XBH here and there. 5 runs off Carpenter should been a win. Cards did a nice job fouling off pitches. Wags = blech. Nice meeting you guys but just a miserable game.

cooby Oct 14 2006 09:20 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 14 2006 09:42 AM

]I was right field and couldn't see the Green play: Don't even wanna see the highlights. Go ahead and watch it; he didn't make a bad play. He just couldn't quite get it. Thank heavens they called it right, not that it mattered in the end, except to save us all a lot of bitterness.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 14 2006 09:34 AM

He actually broght the ball back in - it would have been a homer otherwise.

MFS62 Oct 14 2006 09:55 AM

Yep, nice meeting you folks. I have cautioned about Tagichi before. IIRC he once had a something like 11-12 streak (pre-season games carried over to the regular season) against the Mets. Since then, he has shown time and time again that they still haven't figured out how to pitch to the guy. When he came into the game, I yelled "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO" because I had the feeling he would do something to hurt the Mets. I wish I had been wrong. The fukker. I later heard the replay. Howie Rose called the homer "unexpected". Maybe by Howie. Not by me. I wonder if he really has watched the games he has called over the years. Later

Yancy Street Gang Oct 14 2006 10:37 AM

That blast against Howie was pretty unfair, 62. http://ultimatemets.com/opponent.php?PlayerCode=6439 Prior to last night, Taguchi had never homered against the Mets in 44 at bats. In 2006 he had a .091 batting average against the Mets, and in 2005 he hit .227. He did put up some terrific numbers against them in 2004, though. In 11 at bats he had five singles and three doubles and drove in 5 runs.

Frayed Knot Oct 14 2006 10:50 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 14 2006 10:55 AM

"I have cautioned about Tagichi before. IIRC he once had a something like 11-12 streak (pre-season games carried over to the regular season) against the Mets." PRE-SEASON?!?! We're counting pre-season memories now as long as it fits into the theory? Taguchi was 8 for 11 against the Mets in 2004 meaning that, yeah, you're right, he ONCE had a streak. "Since then, he has shown time and time again that they still haven't figured out how to pitch to the guy." Well, considering that he followed his '04 'mastery' with a 5-for-22 in '05 and then a 1-for-11 in '06 (that's .182 over 2 years) it sounds to me that they "figured it out" quite nicely. Y'see, you're not only seeing short-term variances and treating them as if rock-solid and predictable trends but then you're ignoring further evidence if/when it contradicts that conclusion. "When he came into the game, I yelled "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO" because I had the feeling he would do something to hurt the Mets." Was it just a feeling or a real hunch? Taguchi, btw, was 0-for-5 in his career against Wagner. So even if he did hold some kind of "hex" over Met pitchers in the past, how exactly would this affect Wagner who had never pitched for the Mets before this season? Do batters hit against pitchers or are their successes and failures determined by the laundry being worn? "I later heard the replay. Howie Rose called the homer "unexpected". Maybe by Howie. Not by me. I wonder if he really has watched the games he has called over the years." Judging by the stuff above, more closely than you. Look, Taguchi has 16 HRs in nearly 1,000 MLB ABs and, as mentioned above, had never even had a hit against Wagner. Can we PLEASE stop treating the outcomes of games and plays within games as if they're pre-determined by some unexplainable force, and, while we're at it, this notion that teams are some sort of unchanging blob that acts, thinks, and plays the same way no matter how much you change the braintrust & personnel over time? Yeah, it was surprising.

cooby Oct 14 2006 10:53 AM

The thing is too, the guys on TV were saying how Wagner had done so well against the Cardinals dating back to 1998 , so that meltdown was unexpected in that sense too. (Though I was thinking to myself, whole new set of Cardinals here, boys) Well, it's over with, he can start a new good streak.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 14 2006 10:58 AM

There was another dumb TV graphic on Fox near the end of the game. It was titled "OVERWORKED BULLPEN?" And listed how many pitches the Mets pen had thrown this postseason. What it didn't mention is that the Mets had a four-day break between the NLDS and the NLCS. So prior to last night's game, the bullpen had only pitched two innings in the last five days. The pen is probably going to be overworked in the next few days. But going into last night's game, it certainly wasn't.

MFS62 Oct 14 2006 12:43 PM

="Frayed Knot"] "When he came into the game, I yelled "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO" because I had the feeling he would do something to hurt the Mets." Was it just a feeling or a real hunch? Yeah, it was surprising. What's the difference? Yes, all , my opinion of Taguchi was based on a streak he had a few years ago. I hadn't followed his numbers very closely since then. But I had a feeling in my gut (OK so it was a feeling, but I'd still like to know how you differentiate between those terms)that So would do something damaging. Maybe not a homer (as your stats show), but something. Unfortunately, I was right. Sitting in the stadium, I didn't have the advantage of access to the stats that you did to challenge my post. I had to rely on memory. And I am a firm believer that if a player gives you problems, you use every game, including spring training, to work on way to solve him (pitcher or hitter). The fact that he once went something like 8 for 8 against the mets in spring training and he later went the 8 for 11 you noted was stuck in my mind. Did anyone else have an uneasy feeling when he entered the game? Honestly? Later

metsmarathon Oct 14 2006 02:12 PM

well, i just have this feeling that the guy most likely to beat a flame-throwing closer is the biggest scrubbeenie in the opposing clubhouse. fire fastballs at the weaklings, cos they're not expected to get the bat on the ball. only when they do connect with a fireball, it'll usually go very very far.

Frayed Knot Oct 14 2006 02:13 PM

]What's the difference? [between a feeling and a hunch] Nothing of course. I'm just tweaking the notion that either is worth much. ]Sitting in the stadium, I didn't have the advantage of access to the stats that you did to challenge my post. I had to rely on memory. And I am a firm believer that if a player gives you problems, you use every game, including spring training, to work on way to solve him (pitcher or hitter). The fact that he once went something like 8 for 8 against the mets in spring training and he later went the 8 for 11 you noted was stuck in my mind. Well I didn't have them at the time either, I only looked them up after reading your post because usually when I hear things like 'Player X always kills us': a) it's often not true, but rather is a generalization based on some small sample from years back (as in this case) and/or b) even if it were accurate, is this really something you want to base future strategy on? It's just so illogical to me to act as if some player is going to suddenly become some super-ized version of himself merely by seeing a hurler wearing our teams' pajamas (even one he HASN'T hit in the past) that I don't even think it's worth discussing. ]Did anyone else have an uneasy feeling when he entered the game? Honestly? - Uneasy because it was the 9th inning of a tied playoff game? ... Sure. - EVEN MORE Uneasy because some so-so hitting (see what I did there?) defensive replacement who once had a handful of singles & doubles 3 seasons back off some NYM pitchers who are almost certainly no longer on this team was the man leading off the inning? ... Not even a little bit

Willets Point Oct 14 2006 04:07 PM

Does anyone have stats on Wagner's performance in tie games or where the Mets have a big lead (AKA - non-save situations). My anectdotal evidence is that he seems to turn up the suck big time in those situations but stats often put such feelings to the test.

Rotblatt Oct 14 2006 07:22 PM

I fifth the "nice to meet you all" thing and millionth the "this game blew." Ugh. Just painful as hell. I know most of you have said this all, but what the hell: 1. Delgado's error. HUGE. Almost negates his first home run. Almost. 2. Why not use Darren Oliver in the fifth? He's a good long man, and while Bradford was great, he is, IMO, best saved until we need a ground ball--so generally when there are runners on base. And wasting Feliciano on a pinch hitter is just crazy to me. If we'd used Oliver for two, we could've spun Bradford & Feliciano out there in the seventh as a bridge to Heilman in the eighth. 3. Valentin has looked lost at the plate this entire post-season. Chavez should be batting ahead of him until he starts to get hot. 4. Anderson Hernandez? Seriously? Why not try Cliff in that situation? Sure, it would be leading off the inning, but if Cliff gets anything other than a dinger, you put Hernandez in to pinch run for him. If you ARE going to use Andy, for the love of Christ, tell him to bunt, not swing. It's the only thing he's remotely good at at the plate. And yeah, I know they're expecting it, but you've got to try, and it's not like Spiezio is GOOD at third. 5. Why Mota? Why not Heilman for two innings? Or at least after walking Edmonds? Willie went for the jungular again, and I think that was the right attitude, but I question the above chances. I'll grant that he's made similar moves and they worked out, and it's a lot easier to Monday morning quarterback than Sunday afternoon quarterback, but I thought all of the above at the time they happened . . . It's an interesting contrast to La Russa, too. He probably made the wrong choice in starting Carpenter, but everything else worked out beautifully. Flores got Beltran & Delgado with LoDuca on 2nd in the 6th. His double switch to get Taguchi in there. His putting of Rolen in there as a defensive replacement, who robbed Wright in the ninth. Willie outmanaged La Russa in Game 1, but La Russa clearly got the better of Willie in Game 2. Anyway, I now feel ridiculously pessimistic about our chances. Maine looked awful, our bullpen got exposed, and we've got Trachsel, Perez & Glavine on short rest coming up. Ugh. And even if we manage to win a game in St. Louis, we've looking at Maine & Trachsel in 6 & 7, and at this point, that's not an inspiring thought. I'm clearly in for the long haul, but man oh man do we have our work cut out for us. It's time to sac up and make it work, Trachs!

Zvon Oct 14 2006 07:37 PM

="Yancy Street Gang"]There was another dumb TV graphic on Fox near the end of the game. It was titled "OVERWORKED BULLPEN?" And listed how many pitches the Mets pen had thrown this postseason. What it didn't mention is that the Mets had a four-day break between the NLDS and the NLCS. So prior to last night's game, the bullpen had only pitched two innings in the last five days. The pen is probably going to be overworked in the next few days. But going into last night's game, it certainly wasn't. FOX and ESPN started playing up this angle the second the game was over....maybe even before. I STRONGLY agree with you Yancy, that to be saying this, under the circumstances, is a great big pile of bull dooty.