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Glavine Wins Countdown Continues!

SteveJRogers Oct 07 2006 12:47 AM

Uh, his Postseason Wins this time... Third All-Time (Yes Whitey Ford is very much still the WS Win King) 15 John Smoltz 14 Andy Pettitte 13 Tom Glavine

Yancy Street Gang Oct 07 2006 06:17 AM

If he passes Smoltz this year, that would be a good thing.

Frayed Knot Oct 07 2006 08:22 AM

Virtually all "Post-Season" records are, of course, ridiculously skewed towards players of the most recent generation and, in turn, towards long-standing Yanquis & Braves.

SteveJRogers Oct 07 2006 08:33 AM

And of course all WS are skewered towards MFY

soupcan Oct 07 2006 09:07 AM

="SteveJRogers"]And of course all WS are skewered towards MFY If that was a typo its funny but if you meant it you get a golf clap.

Frayed Knot Oct 07 2006 09:16 AM

Typo unfortunately ... I'm not that bright.

SteveJRogers Oct 12 2006 11:40 PM

And with that, Glavine is tied with Andy Pettitte

vtmet Oct 12 2006 11:45 PM

so technically, Glavine only has 290 wins...but counting post season, he's at 304?

SteveJRogers Oct 12 2006 11:46 PM

Yeah, but then I'd have to start counting ASG wins (if any) and attempt to track down spring training wins, exhibition (Japan series in November, ect) games, and other assorted things over the years =;)

metirish Oct 12 2006 11:49 PM

i never understood why postseason stats are not counted in baseball...in soccer even goals scored in exhibition games are counted on record,hence Robbie keane is Ireland's all-time goal scorer,altough you could count on one hand how many important goals he has scored in real games...

vtmet Oct 12 2006 11:49 PM

I think a playoff win is a little more important than an ASG or exhibition win...

SteveJRogers Oct 13 2006 12:04 AM

True, but the fact is baseball doesn't factor postseason numbers in player's life time totals Or all sports, save for soccer. I guess its so HOF debaters don't go into silly arguments like "Derek Jeter had more postseason hits than Ted Williams, hence Jeter is better than Williams!" the way HOF debates with QBs and NBA stars tend to

Nymr83 Oct 13 2006 12:17 AM

theres a bit more merit to that in the NBA where making the playoffs is easy and carrying your team is more likely than it is in baseball. either way i'd keep postseason totals seperate from regular season ones, and i'd keep exhibition stats completely out of any discussion.

RealityChuck Oct 13 2006 09:16 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: Virtually all "Post-Season" records are, of course, ridiculously skewed towards players of the most recent generation Obviously. There are almost three times as many postseason games as there were prior to 1968. Ford's wins were all in World Series. The records are comparing apples to oranges.

SteveJRogers Oct 14 2006 12:41 PM

RealityChuck wrote: ="Frayed Knot"]Virtually all "Post-Season" records are, of course, ridiculously skewed towards players of the most recent generation Obviously. There are almost three times as many postseason games as there were prior to 1968. Ford's wins were all in World Series. The records are comparing apples to oranges. Not to mention Ford probably pitched in by far the most WS ever. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if the WS total of the above Top Three didn't equal Ford's total, and most of that would be thanks to Pettitte's role with the 96, 98-01 and 03 Yanks while Glavine's last WS win was his 1-hit performance in Game 6 of the 1995 World Series, his 3rd WS victory. BTW, not thinking ahead or anything, but I wonder what the record is for lenght between a WS win and a person's next WS win Hmmmm... Anyway, the next year's Game 1 was the last and second career WS win for Smoltz! BTW for the record I was WAY off, Pettitte only has 3 total WS wins! Okay, so its the most between the three, but I had thought it would have been more like 5.

SteveJRogers Oct 14 2006 12:49 PM

From WorldSeries.com here is the top 13 list of WS Game Winners: 1. Whitey Ford 10 2. Bob Gibson 7 Allie Reynolds 7 Red Ruffing 7 5. Chief Bender 6 Lefty Gomez 6 Waite Hoyt 6 8. Mordecai Brown 5 Jack Coombs 5 Catfish Hunter 5 Christy Mathewson 5 Herb Pennock 5 Vic Raschi 5 Not sure exactly what it says when the last time any of these men hurled in a World Series was 1978! Probably more to do with the general specialization of the bullpen since 1978 than pitchers getting chances in WS play. I mean case in point is that there is a nice synergy with Mariano Rivera being the all-time Postseason AND World Series Saves leader! So there can be a case that Ford's World Series record would be at least challenged if not for the rise of bullpens and the closer over the course of the last 30 years. I mean Gibson won his 7 in only 3 Series apperances! So its clearly not a case of "Well how many different teams have gone to the World Series" or anything like that.

SteveJRogers Oct 14 2006 01:03 PM

Oh BTW, Glavine is now the first Met to ever beat the Mets in a playoff game (1999 NLCS) and win a playoff game for the Mets (2006 NLDS and NLCS)