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Rotblatt Oct 08 2006 12:40 AM

So! What should we do? What do we think Willie will do? Glavine's a lock to start Game 1, and he should. I don't think we should try and use Glavine on short rest, since it hasn't worked with him in the past. If you accept that premise, then Glavine, Maine & Trachs will each get 2 starts if we go to 7 games, so in terms of Maine & Trachs, the order comes down to who would perform better where. Historically, Trachs has been better at Shea, and Maine's been better away from Shea, which makes me lean a little towards starting Trachs in Game 2. In that scenario, he'd start at Shea in Games 2 & 6. Maine would start away in Game 2 & at home in Game 7. Glavine would start at home in Game 1 & away in Game 5. Game 4 is a little tricky, but if we're leading the series at that point, I'd go with Perez. He has the potential to toss off a gem, but if he doesn't, we turn to Oliver and our bullpen. Any good arguments for using Glavine on short rest and trying to get him into 3 games? He'd be on short rest twice, and frankly, I'd rather have Glavine pitch twice on full rest . . .

Yancy Street Gang Oct 08 2006 12:43 AM

I just posted the following in the ongoing rotation thread: Yancy Street Gang wrote: Okay, for the NLCS, I'd go Glavine in Game 1, Trachsel in Game 2 (he'd be on his usual four days rest, which he seems to need) and Maine in Game 3. Unless the Mets lose the first three, I'd let Perez pitch Game 4, gnashing my teeth the entire time. (I'd much rather they gave his roster spot to Bannister or Williams, but I don't see that happening.) The danger there is that if the Mets win in seven games, you're looking at Perez in World Series Game 1 and 5. A win in six games and you could at least open with Maine. Perez would be the Games 2 and 6 guy, but by Game 6 you could possibly pitch Glavine on three days rest in Game 6 and Maine on three in Game 7.

Willets Point Oct 08 2006 12:45 AM Re: NLCS Rotation

Rotblatt wrote: Any good arguments for using Glavine on short rest and trying to get him into 3 games? He'd be on short rest twice, and frankly, I'd rather have Glavine pitch twice on full rest . . . Ditto.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 08 2006 12:48 AM

I wouldn't consider Glavine on short rest until the World Series, depending on the situation. But not in the NLCS.

Rotblatt Oct 08 2006 12:51 AM

I just saw that, Yance! I'm glad we're in agreement. ;-) We don't really have many pieces to move around here. Bullpen management is going to be key in the 7-game series. Willie's probably going to have to give his starters a little more rope in the NLCS. If we come up against St. Louis, I think we can count on our offense giving us some breathing room, but I'm not sure about San Diego. They have some nice pitchers there and a solid bullpen. Thankfully, we've got 3 days to rest our pen a little.

Edgy DC Oct 08 2006 01:19 AM

Glavine, 1 and 5. Maine, 2 and 6 Trachsel, 3 and 7. Perez, 4.

cleonjones11 Oct 08 2006 01:39 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Glavine, 1 and 5. Maine, 2 and 6 Trachsel, 3 and 7. Perez, 4. I agree....Darren Oliver quick hook for Perez if needed?

Yancy Street Gang Oct 08 2006 09:26 AM

I think Oliver probably is the only long relief option. But with eight guys in the bullpen, you can pull your starter in the third inning and still get through the game without any long stinits by any of the relievers. Having said that, I'd like to see some of the starters pitch into, and complete, the 7th or even the 8th inning in the NLCS. There's no reason to think that Glavine and Trachsel and Maine can't do that. Even Perez can do that about one start out of ten.

TheOldMole Oct 08 2006 10:27 AM

I'm with Rotblatt. Perez always has a chance to be brilliant, although the others probably have more of a chance to be capable. I'm going with the idea that Willie and Peterson have seen something in Perez, and in spite of the general consensus here that Willie and Peterson are idiots, to quote the immortal words of Captain Louis Renault: ]We musn't underestimate American blundering. I was with them when they blundered into Berlin in 1918.

SwitchHitter Oct 08 2006 12:56 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Having said that, I'd like to see some of the starters pitch into, and complete, the 7th or even the 8th inning in the NLCS. There's no reason to think that Glavine and Trachsel and Maine can't do that. I agree with both parts of this. I think that's part of what makes someone a good starter is their ability to go into the 7th or the 8th. And I think that these guys are good starters and can do that.

TheOldMole Oct 08 2006 01:00 PM

I agree, sort of. Except that this particular team is built around a strategy that involves starters going six. It sort of offends my old-fashioned, Kinerian sense of the game, which says that there's no reason a started can't finish a game. Or it would, if the Mets weren't doing it and making it work. As it is -- GO BULLPEN!

Willets Point Oct 08 2006 01:41 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Having said that, I'd like to see some of the starters pitch into, and complete, the 7th or even the 8th inning in the NLCS. There's no reason to think that Glavine and Trachsel and Maine can't do that. I have reason to think that Glavine can't do that since he so often is pulled in the 5th or 6th inning, but maybe he can go the extra mile in the playoffs.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 08 2006 01:45 PM

Glavine went 7 or more 10 times this season, about one third of his starts.

Willets Point Oct 08 2006 01:49 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Glavine went 7 or more 10 times this season, about one third of his starts. Ugh, I didn't think it was that bad.

vtmet Oct 08 2006 03:41 PM

one of the benefits of the Pads extending the series is that the Cards can't set up Carpenter for game 1, he's pitching tonight so best case for the Cards would be him pitching Thursday on 3 days rest...if there is a game 5 for them, that also moves their number 2 guy back as well...

Elster88 Oct 08 2006 07:01 PM

Bannister in game 4. Since that's not happening I agree with the general concensus.

OlerudOwned Oct 09 2006 10:53 AM

I do not want to see Oliver Perez start a game in this series. Yes, I know there's a chance he pitches brilliantly and yes, I love his stuff too. HOW-EVAH, there's a way better chance that he gets wild early and throws a flat slider over the plate to Pujols with a man on base or something. If I made the calls, I'd have Dave Williams pitching Game 4. The guy made 5 starts for us and was pretty much excellent 4 times, getting his ERA inflated by the one bad start. [url=http://ultimatemets.com/profile.php?PlayerCode=0795&tabno=4&ThisYear=2006]See here[/url] He's also [url=http://ultimatemets.com/gamedetail.php?gameno=7186]faced the Cardinals[/url] once this season and pitched extremely well. 6.1 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 4 K The only guy who could hit him was backup catcher Gary Bennett. That's way more than I would expect out of Perez.

smg58 Oct 09 2006 12:41 PM

I'm also concerned about the stamina of the pen. Willie played to win three straight (properly, I thought) by going to the pen early and often, and the Mets did win in three and everybody will be well-rested by Wednesday. Fantastic. But with two longer series coming up, the pen will wear down before the end of them if they're used the same way. So we're going to need to get six from somebody other than Glavine, and preferably more than six from him.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 09 2006 01:08 PM

I agree about the heavy bullpen use in the NLDS. I think Willie took a bit of a risk in Game 3 in LA with a lot of early pitching changes. (Obviously, it paid off.) Early in the game, he had already burned through Oliver, Feliciano, and Bradford in a close game. If the game had stayed close, he probably would have still used the pitchers that he did: Mota, Heilman, and Wagner. But if it had become an extra-inning game, he would have been left with Ring and Roberto Hernandez for what could have been a long haul. (Of course, if the game had gone deep into extra innings, Oliver Perez would also have been an option and Maine would have moved up to Game 4.) I think I would have been less quick to go to the pen in that game. I might have tried to get a little more out of Trachsel. I also wouldn't have wanted to pull Bradford after two batters, but Chad didn't get either of the two out, so I can understand his quick exit. I guess I'm saying I might have handled the pitching differently in that game if I was the manager. I also might not have ended up with as good an outcome.

Johnny Dickshot Oct 09 2006 01:39 PM

To me, sloppy D forced Willie's hand in yanking Trachs. An error by Wright and Reyes and the pop fly non-play got the carousel going at least an inning sooner than necessary. If we make the plays in the game, Trax goes 5 or 6. I don't think a heavy workload is something worth worrying about at this juncture. We're going to have it, no matter what. What we can do to mitigate that is hit like crazy, and that means, getting guys in from 3rd, which we haven't done a good job with, and making the plays in the field, which was the real cause of the only sweating we had to do in this series (think the Valentin play as a sweatmaker, and home plate DP as sweat releiver in Game 1). I must be less a believer in Bannister than just about anyone else here. His walks & hits against are just as ugly as Perez, he's kust been luckier, with less (read: almost zero) ability to dominate. Perez will start Game 4 I'm almost certain. The move I might like is Williams over Ring (maybe even Oliver, who hasn't been good for awhile now), just to provide xtra length if we need it.

Johnny Dickshot Oct 09 2006 01:47 PM

To me, sloppy D forced Willie's hand in yanking Trachs. An error by Wright and Reyes and the pop fly non-play got the carousel going at least an inning sooner than necessary. If we make the plays in the game, Trax goes 5 or 6. I don't think a heavy workload is something worth worrying about at this juncture. We're going to have it, no matter what. What we can do to mitigate that is hit like crazy, and that means, getting guys in from 3rd, which we haven't done a good job with, and making the plays in the field, which was the real cause of the only sweating we had to do in this series (think the Valentin play as a sweatmaker, and home plate DP as sweat releiver in Game 1). I must be less a believer in Bannister than just about anyone else here. His walks & hits against are just as ugly as Perez, he's kust been luckier, with less (read: almost zero) ability to dominate. Perez will start Game 4 I'm almost certain. The move I might like is Williams over Ring (maybe even Oliver, who hasn't been good for awhile now), just to provide xtra length if we need it. Oliver, last 5 outings: 8 IP, 14 H, 11 ER (12.38 ERA), 1 BB, 8 K

Yancy Street Gang Oct 09 2006 01:55 PM

I like Bannister better than Perez, but Bannister wouldn't have been my choice either. I prefer Williams. Johnny Dickshot wrote: If we make the plays in the game, Trax goes 5 or 6. You may be right about that. Let's hope we make the plays next time around. Getting 5 or 6 from the starter would be a huge help. I'm less worried about stressing the bullpen through overwork than I am in depleting in during the course of a single game. When you've used five or six pitchers by the eighth inning, you have very few options remaining in a close game.

Centerfield Oct 09 2006 02:39 PM

Williams is my first choice too, then Bannister, then maybe even Pelfrey. I would have gone with almost anyone, even taking a flyer on Humber, before I went with Oliver Perez. While the other guys may not be great, I feel like Perez is the most likely to give up 7 runs in the second and kill our chances at that game and eat up the pen.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 09 2006 03:28 PM

="OlerudOwned"]I do not want to see Oliver Perez start a game in this series. Yes, I know there's a chance he pitches brilliantly and yes, I love his stuff too. HOW-EVAH, there's a way better chance that he gets wild early and throws a flat slider over the plate to Pujols with a man on base or something. If I made the calls, I'd have Dave Williams pitching Game 4. The guy made 5 starts for us and was pretty much excellent 4 times, getting his ERA inflated by the one bad start. [url=http://ultimatemets.com/profile.php?PlayerCode=0795&tabno=4&ThisYear=2006]See here[/url] He's also [url=http://ultimatemets.com/gamedetail.php?gameno=7186]faced the Cardinals[/url] once this season and pitched extremely well. 6.1 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 4 K The only guy who could hit him was backup catcher Gary Bennett. That's way more than I would expect out of Perez. Dave Williams [url=http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6738/splits;_ylt=AvEB8dACRYxHuMfArtpzvr.FCLcF]faced the Cards[/url] three times this year and was rocked harder than Perez was by them. 3 starts, 16 IP, 21 hits, 10 ER, 4 Homers, 6 BB, 8 K, 5.63 ERA, .308 BAA. Oliver Perez is I guess just as likely to get torched as Williams, but at least has the potential to be lights out that Williams doesn't have. I'd stick with Perez.

RealityChuck Oct 09 2006 03:41 PM

I'd lean toward Perez. He's been pitching OK lately and definitely has more upside if he's on. Williams would be my next choice after Perez. But he's just as likely to pitch poorly as Perez, and does not have the upside. Bannister isn't an option. I like him, but he has not been pitching enough in the majors to be given a start in the playoffs.

OlerudOwned Oct 09 2006 06:13 PM

="A Boy Named Seo"] ="OlerudOwned"]I do not want to see Oliver Perez start a game in this series. Yes, I know there's a chance he pitches brilliantly and yes, I love his stuff too. HOW-EVAH, there's a way better chance that he gets wild early and throws a flat slider over the plate to Pujols with a man on base or something. If I made the calls, I'd have Dave Williams pitching Game 4. The guy made 5 starts for us and was pretty much excellent 4 times, getting his ERA inflated by the one bad start. [url=http://ultimatemets.com/profile.php?PlayerCode=0795&tabno=4&ThisYear=2006]See here[/url] He's also [url=http://ultimatemets.com/gamedetail.php?gameno=7186]faced the Cardinals[/url] once this season and pitched extremely well. 6.1 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 4 K The only guy who could hit him was backup catcher Gary Bennett. That's way more than I would expect out of Perez. Dave Williams [url=http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6738/splits;_ylt=AvEB8dACRYxHuMfArtpzvr.FCLcF]faced the Cards[/url] three times this year and was rocked harder than Perez was by them. 3 starts, 16 IP, 21 hits, 10 ER, 4 Homers, 6 BB, 8 K, 5.63 ERA, .308 BAA. Oliver Perez is I guess just as likely to get torched as Williams, but at least has the potential to be lights out that Williams doesn't have. I'd stick with Perez. A good point, and a stupid oversight on my part, but I'd still have more cahnfidence in Williams. Dave got torched nearly everytime he touched the ball for the Redlegs, but seemed like a new man in the blue and orange (except the 9-run Marlin drubbing). Perez actually had a very good start where he got outdueled by Carpenter, had a decent one where he had plenty of run support and won despite putting 9 runners on in 6.2, and got smashed once. However, he just hasn't shown me enough as a Met for me to trust him. As much as I'd like to believe lightning will strike again and we'll get the the Oliver that dominated Atlanta, there's a way better chance we see the one that got flustered, lost his command, and got spanked 4-or-so times.

Nymr83 Oct 09 2006 07:12 PM

i would do the following: game 1 (wed): Glavine game 2 (thu): Maine game 3 (sat): Traschel game 4 (sun): Perez game 5 (mon): Glavine game 6 (wed): Maine (though i'd go to Williams, Pelfrey, Bannister in that order if Maine were bombed in game 2) game 7 (thu): Traschel (unless he was bombed in game 3 in which case i go to Williams, Pelfrey, Perez on 3 days rest, Bannister in that order) i have NO confidence in Bannister, i'd prefer not to see pelfrey either even though i love the guy, he hasnt started enough in the majors down the stretch for me to want to use him in the playoffs. when i say "bombed" in reference to maine/traschel pitching a 2nd time i mean essentially more runs allowed than innings pitched. 5 innings 4 runs while not nice isnt enough for me to not pitch them a 2nd time. finally, i'd go to the bullpen early and often with anyone but glavine on the mound. if these guys give us 5 innings 3 runs i'd be happy enough. if the mets really want to carry 12 pitchers i'd drop ring for another guy who can be a long man (williams would be my choice.) i don't see the need for a 1-out lefty when we already have feliciano and pujols is right-handed anyway. i would generally restrict wagner to 1 inning, the only exception i'd make is pujols up with the tying runs on base for the cardinals in the 8th inning, or if 2-3-4/ 3-4-5 were due up with a 1-run met lead entering the 8th it would be worth using wagner there.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 10 2006 01:26 PM

The thought of a rainout on Wednesday is worrisome. The makeup game would probably be on Friday afternoon, with the series resuming as scheduled in St. Louis on Saturday. That would leave the Mets (and Cards, of course) playing on five consecutive days. Which means they'd either need a fifth starter or they'd have to send Glavine on three days rest in Game 5. I'd probably go with Glavine on three days. The alternative would be Darren Oliver making his first start of the year? Or do the Mets replace Ring on the roster with Williams tomorrow morning if the weather forecast looks like rain is likely?

Yancy Street Gang Oct 11 2006 09:51 AM

Forecast is looking a little more promising: ="National Weather Service"]Tonight: Occasional rain, mainly after midnight. Low around 60. East wind 7 to 15 mph becoming south. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between a quarter and half of an inch possible.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 11 2006 09:58 AM

And though it's early, here's the forecast for the weekend in St. Louis: ="National Weather Service"]Saturday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 46. Sunday: Mostly cloudy, with a high near 65. Sunday Night: A chance of showers. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 50.

Rotblatt Oct 11 2006 09:18 PM

So anyone else think that Maine should pitch as scheduled tomorrow, with Glavine going on Friday? My thought is that since Glavine sucks on short rest, using Maine tomorrow would allow us to use him on short rest in game 5 instead of Glavine. Glavine could pitch in Game 6. So our rotations would line up: 10/12 Maine v. Weaver 10/13 Glavine v. Suppan 10/14 Trachsel v. Carpenter 10/15 Perez v. A. Reyes 10/16 Maine v. Weaver (short rest for both) 10/18 Glavine v. Suppan 10/19 Trachsel v. Carpenter I've no idea if Maine's any good on short rest, but you figure, the kid's pretty young, right? He should be able to swing it. The good thing about Game 5 being the one with short rest pitchers is that we'll have a day off afterwards to rest our bullpen. We'll still need Glavine and at least one other starter to get us deep into a game, though . . .

Willets Point Oct 11 2006 09:29 PM

Think we can get enough rainouts for Hernandez to be healthy? Pedro?

Yancy Street Gang Oct 12 2006 07:45 AM

From Marty Noble on Mets.com: ="Marty Noble"]NEW YORK -- The fallout from the rainout of the National League Championship Series opener on Wednesday night is just one more unknown added to an event that has been shrouded in uncertainty since the moment the Mets secured a place in it. But for the most part, the postponement appears to benefit the Cardinals and severely handicap the Mets. Because the first game was postponed, the Cardinals now have the option of reassigning their primary starting pitcher, Chris Carpenter, to Games 2 and 6, rather than Games 3 and 7. The Mets have an unwanted option now. Tom Glavine starts Game 1, now on Thursday. But his subsequent start would be in either Game 5 on short rest or in Game 6 with extra rest. At this point, with Game 1 still unplayed and Glavine's first start unmade, neither option is preferred. Moreover, the Mets have no other starter on their 25-player roster who would be available to start Game 5. Glavine said shortly after the postponement that he could start Game 5 on three rather four days' rest. He had made a similar offer to start Game 1 of the NLDS on short rest after Orlando Hernandez was scratched. But Glavine is 40 years old and full rest seemingly would benefit him as much as it would any starter in this series. The Mets' decision-makers didn't address the situation after the postponement. They did contact Major League Baseball to determine whether rosters submitted Wednesday morning could be revised because the series hadn't begun. The official response was negative, unless the changes were because of extreme circumstances. Sheesh! With rain in the forecast, you'd think they would have taken that into account when they finalized their roster on Wednesday morning, like I suggested on Tuesday. Doesn't Omar Minaya read this forum?

seawolf17 Oct 12 2006 09:15 AM

Yes, I do.

soupcan Oct 12 2006 09:20 AM

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Elster88 Oct 12 2006 11:22 AM

So basically we're f'ed? Perez and Williams both get a start? Or is Williams even on the roster?

Yancy Street Gang Oct 12 2006 11:29 AM

Earlier in this thread I was advocating putting Williams on the roster in case of a Wednesday rainout. But they didn't do that. The only choices the Mets have for Game 5 are Glavine on three days rest or Darren Oliver. Or Roberto Hernandez. Or some other reliever. If there is a Game 5, I hope the Mets take the field with a 3-1 lead. Otherwise there could be serious trouble.

Valadius Oct 12 2006 11:31 AM

Maybe Heilman?

metirish Oct 12 2006 11:33 AM

Glavine on three days rest ......not good.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 12 2006 11:35 AM

I doubt it. He's become a key part of their bullpen, and to start him in Game 5 would leave him unavailable for games 3, 4, 6, and 7. And I doubt they'd want to do that. It would probably be Darren Oliver. I threw out Roberto Hernandez's name because he seems to be the other infrequently used guy in the pen.

Hillbilly Oct 12 2006 11:35 AM

Lots and lots of reasons to hope game 5 is not required.

Ned Fengus Oct 12 2006 11:37 AM

metirish wrote: Glavine on three days rest ......not good. Seriously. You know they have those toasters that toast bread in half the time. Microwaves cook things in an accelerated manner. Why can't some genius come up with something to give a pitcher full rest in half the time? Any inventors out there?

ABG Oct 12 2006 11:38 AM

Thing is, I'll take our guy (Glavine) on 3 days rest vs. their guy (Suppan) on 3 days rest. Or do they have an extra starter?

seawolf17 Oct 12 2006 11:42 AM

Considering they left Marquis off the roster, I'm thinking they'd have to go short rest also.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 12 2006 11:47 AM

Game 5 looks like it could be a big sloppy mess. If it turns out our way, it might be one of the most entertaining games of the postseason.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 12 2006 12:28 PM

This is from the Times: BEN SHPIGEL wrote: “Wasn’t your typical day getting ready for a ballgame,” said Tom Glavine, who will pitch Game 1 tonight. In Glavine’s case, he had taped his ankles, stretched and was beginning to prepare for his start yesterday when he learned the game was canceled. Then he played catch and readied for the probability that he will have to come back to pitch Game 5, if necessary, on short rest. Glavine allowed six runs in five and one-third innings in his only start this season on three days’ rest, June 7 in Los Angeles. He has a 3.53 earned run average in 25 career starts with three or fewer days of rest. The Mets cannot add another pitcher to start in Glavine’s place in Game 5 because the deadline for submitting their roster for this series was 10 a.m. yesterday. “It’s the kind of thing that you worry about this game and worry about Game 5 if and when we get to that situation,” Glavine said. “The most important game for me is tomorrow.” The Mets need to try to win this thing without requiring Glavine to go much more than 5 or 6 innings so he's as fresh as possible for Monday.

Willets Point Oct 12 2006 12:30 PM

I'm sure Glavine can see to it that he'll only go 5 or 6 innings (or less), he's a pro that way.

Elster88 Oct 12 2006 12:36 PM

I think Glavine has pitched on short rest twice in the postseason, and both times he has taken ridiculous beatings. If I have my stats right, without those two short-rest massacres his name would be in the discussion of all-time greatest postseason pitchers.

HahnSolo Oct 12 2006 12:37 PM

My personal feeling is that it's better to know you're going on 3 days' rest before the first start, so that you can prepare accordingly. It's much worse to find out you're going on 3 days rest in between starts, messing with preparations.

Edgy DC Oct 12 2006 12:38 PM

Ouch. That's some ruthless pricking you're doing right there, Els.

metirish Oct 12 2006 12:42 PM

The last time Glavine went on three days rest in the postseason was whEn the Giants as Elster pointed out gave him a ridiculous beating, to the tune of a 15.00 ERA.

metirish Oct 12 2006 07:08 PM

Carpenter to start game two.

Nymr83 Oct 18 2006 11:18 PM

BUMP. whats the plan for tomorow night? i heard something earlier about Oliver Perez on 3 days rest. I'd rather see Darren Oliver.

cleonjones11 Oct 18 2006 11:20 PM

I say Trachsel

Willets Point Oct 18 2006 11:21 PM

Traschel/Oliver. Yes, the dual starter.

SteveJRogers Oct 18 2006 11:21 PM

WAPP How about Aaron Heilman. Not considered, but still be worth a gamble

Valadius Oct 18 2006 11:22 PM

Eh, Heilman pitched tonight. He's out.

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2006 11:23 PM

Willie hinted strongly towards Oliver (Perez, not Darren) followed by ... well everyone!

cleonjones11 Oct 18 2006 11:24 PM

Trachsel was throwing in the bullpen in 8th....hmmmm... Willie can be coy now..

DocTee Oct 18 2006 11:24 PM

]Aaron Heilman. Not considered, but still be worth a gamble No...but I empathize. The Oliver duo can combine for seven--let perez start and have a quick hook ready with Darren in reserve (TRAX, too)...

Yancy Street Gang Oct 18 2006 11:27 PM

DocTee wrote: No...but I empathize. The Oliver duo can combine for seven--let perez start and have a quick hook ready with Darren in reserve (TRAX, too)... I'd do it the other way around, start Darren and keep Perez handy.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 18 2006 11:28 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: ="DocTee"]No...but I empathize. The Oliver duo can combine for seven--let perez start and have a quick hook ready with Darren in reserve (TRAX, too)... I'd do it the other way around, start Darren and keep Perez handy. In fact, I think I feel a poll coming on...