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Breaking News on the East Side

Edgy DC Oct 11 2006 01:17 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 11 2006 01:22 PM

Breaking news on a small plane hitting a building at 72nd and York.

Johnny Dickshot Oct 11 2006 01:19 PM

Some say a helicopter, which seems to make more sense given its location at 72 & York. Steady stream of emergency vehicles heading up 3rd ave.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 11 2006 01:19 PM

That's not good. I thought this thread was going to be part of a Meet the Mets singalong.

metirish Oct 11 2006 01:21 PM

Edgy DC Oct 11 2006 01:22 PM

Yeah, I'll retitle.

metirish Oct 11 2006 01:36 PM

Fighter aircraft are being mobilised over several US cities.

metsmarathon Oct 11 2006 01:47 PM

ya s'pose the conspiracy theorists'll be all over this one if that apartment building doesn't collapse? while on a smaller scale, strikingly similar imagery to the last time. thankfully so much less dire, i imagine. and hope.

Willets Point Oct 11 2006 01:50 PM

They put the fire out already from what I read.

metsmarathon Oct 11 2006 01:52 PM

I figure there’s a 20% chance of a jilted lover figuring on an innovative and unforgettable way to exact revenge on an ex.

Sandgnat Oct 11 2006 01:59 PM

Clearly the Bush Administration was behind this crash to scare people about the ongoing terrorist threat so they vote for Republicans in November.

Frayed Knot Oct 11 2006 02:02 PM

That building (524 E. 72nd St) is on the south side of 72nd Street between York Ave and the river. I used to hang around with a girl who lived on that block a bunch of years ago (I think her adress was 520) but haven't been over there in a long time (she's not still there either) and with the way buildings go up and are replaced I had trouble picturing the exact building from the few TV shots I saw.

Willets Point Oct 11 2006 02:17 PM

="Yancy Street Gang"]That's not good. I thought this thread was going to be part of a Meet the Mets singalong. What was the original title of this thread? And why don't we have a Meet the Mets singalong?

Valadius Oct 11 2006 02:18 PM

It's near New York Hospital. That's where I was born.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 11 2006 02:25 PM

="Willets Point"]What was the original title of this thread? And why don't we have a Meet the Mets singalong? The original title was "East Side." Naturally, in my current frame of mind, I saw that and thought, "West Side, everybody's coming down..."

metirish Oct 11 2006 02:30 PM

Plane registered to Cory Lidle. http://www.newsday.com/

seawolf17 Oct 11 2006 02:32 PM

What does Cory Lidle have to do with this? Confused.

metirish Oct 11 2006 02:33 PM

It's his plane,I think...click the newsday link, I have no sound here at work but the caption says it's registered to Lidle.

metsmarathon Oct 11 2006 02:43 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 11 2006 02:45 PM

can't find anything about cory lidle being involved in this crash, but did find the following link: http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060910/SPORTS01/609100378/-1/NEWS01 ]Posted Sunday, September 10, 2006 Fly guy The Phillies weren't enamored of pitcher Cory Lidle's hobby of flying a four-seat airplane. But now that Lidle is with the Yankees, it's an especially sensitive topic. In 1979, Yankees catcher Thurman Munson died when a plane he was piloting crashed near his home in Canton, Ohio. Lidle earned his pilot's license last offseason, and has insisted his plane is safe. "The whole plane has a parachute on it," he told The New York Times. "Ninety-nine percent of pilots that go up never have engine failure, and the 1 percent that do usually land. "But, if you're up in the air and something goes wrong, you pull that parachute, and the whole plane goes down slowly." also, there's nothing in teh accompanying newsday article about lidle. only this, at 4:37pm: ]The Federal Aviation Administration said it was too early to determine what type of aircraft was involved.

Frayed Knot Oct 11 2006 02:43 PM

metirish wrote: Plane registered to Cory Lidle. WTF?!?!

ScarletKnight41 Oct 11 2006 02:45 PM

WABC Channel 7 confirms that the plane is registered to Lidle.

metsmarathon Oct 11 2006 02:45 PM

wow. i'm behind the times.

Willets Point Oct 11 2006 02:46 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 11 2006 02:49 PM

Valadius Oct 11 2006 02:46 PM

CNN now reporting Cory Lidle as owner of the plane.

Centerfield Oct 11 2006 02:46 PM

It said it in the caption of the newsclip on Newsday (taken from Channel 11 News) but they don't mention it during the clip.

metsmarathon Oct 11 2006 02:46 PM

and holy shit. and, damn, willets, that was wrong.

Willets Point Oct 11 2006 02:48 PM

metsmarathon wrote: and holy shit. and, damn, willets, that was wrong. Didn't know it was for real. Sorry, I'll delete.

soupcan Oct 11 2006 02:49 PM

Wow.

metsmarathon Oct 11 2006 02:52 PM

well, it was still funny... m&md are having a pretty tough time with ripping on people lately. they bust on pedro, and turns out he's all kinds of broken. they bust on lidle, and he gets his plane flown into an apartment building, tho hopefully he wasn't flying it. is it wrong to say "hopefully he wasn't flying it"? i mean, two people are dead no matter what. should i be wishing death on a stranger, as if they are less worthy of life than a celebrity? begin the philosophical debate. i've gotta go chop some wood. no, really.

metsmarathon Oct 11 2006 02:53 PM

and google news still doesnt link to anything plane crash related upon a query of "lidle" i just find that interesting. i wonder how long it takes for that to register...

Centerfield Oct 11 2006 02:53 PM

Lidle confirmed dead.

Willets Point Oct 11 2006 02:54 PM

That's so weird. I thought that it was just some weird fluke in metirish's link and not a real story which is why I made a tasteless joke. Not funny though no matter who lives or dies.

Zvon Oct 11 2006 02:57 PM

watching this now--absolutely ubelieveable.

Zvon Oct 11 2006 03:03 PM

I didnt see what you deleted WP, but a joke certainly occured to me. Concerning the Skanks and the headlines,.... but..... this is just---devistaing news in this area. Lidle was very well known being an ex- Phillie and all. I still may have posted the joke in due time---but must... refrain... *Z clenches teeth.

Zvon Oct 11 2006 03:06 PM

This is just unreal. And it shouldnt be any more unreal than if it was just some ordinary Joe. But----its not the same when you can put a face on the tragedy. A familiar face.........

ScarletKnight41 Oct 11 2006 03:07 PM

Worse than that, Channel 7 actually mentioned the disappointing end to the MFY's season in relation to this story. Stoopid!

Rotblatt Oct 11 2006 03:10 PM

Ugh, this is just terrible.

sharpie Oct 11 2006 03:19 PM

We mustn't forget that he was also a former Met.

Valadius Oct 11 2006 03:36 PM

Cory Lidle March 22, 1972 - October 11, 2006

Hillbilly Oct 11 2006 04:18 PM

Horrible.

Nymr83 Oct 11 2006 04:21 PM

the first thing i thought of was "George has the headlines for another day."

SteveJRogers Oct 11 2006 04:54 PM

[url=http://www.ultimatemets.com/profile.php?PlayerCode=0573]RIP[/url]

SteveJRogers Oct 11 2006 04:56 PM

Sandgnat wrote: Clearly the Bush Administration was behind this crash to scare people about the ongoing terrorist threat so they vote for Republicans in November. Please delete

Edgy DC Oct 11 2006 04:57 PM

This is no less tragic, but yeah, it is more unreal. To post news of a small aircraft crashing on a Mets site, wonder if it's appropriate, go off to my evening job, come home and find out that it's an ex-Met whose plane crashed... un-real. Rest in peace, Mr. Lidle. A lot of peeps heading out to the game early may not find out until they get to the park. Hopefully the Mets acknowledge it with a moment of silence.

Edgy DC Oct 11 2006 05:07 PM

And no game. That 7-2, 3.53 record is a pretty good Metly mark to leave. Nabbed by the Diamondbacks in the expansion draft.

seawolf17 Oct 11 2006 05:16 PM

Nymr83 wrote: the first thing i thought of was "George has the headlines for another day." Boy, it's morbid, but I thought the same thing.

SteveJRogers Oct 11 2006 05:19 PM

I believe the second Met to die in a transportation accident. Danny Frisella via a dune buggy accident is the other

Edgy DC Oct 11 2006 05:42 PM

Certainly there are others. Nino Espinosa on Christmas Eve 1987. Almost-Met Brian Cole.

SteveJRogers Oct 11 2006 05:44 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Certainly there are others. Nino Espinosa on Christmas Eve 1987. Almost-Met Brian Cole. I thought Nino was a heart attack or something natural?

Edgy DC Oct 11 2006 05:46 PM

I think you're right.

SteveJRogers Oct 11 2006 05:50 PM

1973's Bob L. Miller car crash

Edgy DC Oct 11 2006 05:53 PM

There you go. Amazing that the Phils had expressed concern with his flying.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 11 2006 06:03 PM

Lidle running away with UMDB hits today. Still a long way behind Jeff Reardon on 12/27/2005. But the night is young.

dinosaur jesus Oct 11 2006 06:03 PM

Another almost is Bobby Ojeda.

Valadius Oct 11 2006 06:06 PM

John Franco on ESPN now about it.

seawolf17 Oct 11 2006 06:13 PM

The UMDB comes up sixth on a Yahoo search of "cory lidle" (no quotes).

Johnny Dickshot Oct 11 2006 06:41 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: 1973's Bob L. Miller car crash He was a Met in 1974... Lidle was something in 97, serving a valuable role as spot starter/longman. For a time he wore the lowest number ever by a Met pitcher, 11, which was defeated by Funky Shingo a year ago. He was a non-union replacement player, probably accounting for at least some of the cold shoulders he encountered. Interesting what if anything Franco had to say, considering he was a union reliever and not at peace with scabs who might take the food off his table. Following the 97 season, he was in Pheonix with his wife and his agent, who was meeting with player association people on his behalf (fall league bball was also going on at the time). It was also the day of the Diamondbacks expansion draft and so with nothing to do the Lidles joined the crowd at a PHX hotel to watch who got chosen. He was surprised when his name came up 7th overall -- but not as surprised as the D-Backs to learn he was on hand. They gave him a hat and an impromptu press conference and everything. Lidle had said he was surprised by the pick since the Mets had informed him he was on their list of 15 protected guys, though it turned out they'd held (IIRC) McMichael and Rigo Beltran instread (I;'m actually not sure of either of those 2. I know it was 2 relievers, one a vet). I'm sad to hear about his loss but before he dies a hero or anything I hope they find out what happened. Among the things Arthur Rhodes said about him was that he had a gambling issue. He didn't speak well of the Phils when he was sprung from there and his comments about Torre were obviously looked at as fresh meat by M & MD. Maddog this evening appeared to be truly shaken up and regretful, as if the possibility it was a suicide, as remote as that might be, had entered his mind and wouldn't leave.

cleonjones11 Oct 11 2006 06:47 PM

OK....time's up.. Couldnt he have flown the Yankee plane? He was always kind of wild The Yankes attack NY and scramble NORAD... Yankees get the Papers again tomorrow..

dinosaur jesus Oct 11 2006 06:49 PM

Actually, he had pretty good control. Sorry to be so literal.

cleonjones11 Oct 11 2006 06:51 PM

dinosaur jesus wrote: Actually, he had pretty good control. Sorry to be so literal. It's sad at moments like this how much I hate the MFY's

SteveJRogers Oct 11 2006 06:53 PM

cleonjones11 wrote: OK....time's up.. Couldnt he have flown the Yankee plane? He was always kind of wild The Yankes attack NY and scramble NORAD... Yankees get the Papers again tomorrow.. No time is NOT up. That was worse than me using an inappropriate word in a Thurman Munson anniversary tribute thread.

Valadius Oct 11 2006 09:23 PM

This just in: Manny Acta lives in the building Lidle crashed into.

metsmarathon Oct 11 2006 09:36 PM

cleonjones11 wrote: Couldnt he have flown the Yankee plane? no. cleonjones11 wrote: Yankees get the Papers again tomorrow.. so?

Rockin' Doc Oct 11 2006 09:44 PM

cj11 - "OK....time's up.. Couldnt he have flown the Yankee plane? He was always kind of wild The Yankes attack NY and scramble NORAD... Yankees get the Papers again tomorrow.." Pure class.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 12 2006 05:53 AM

It's a bit surprising, but you get 15% more hits on the UMDB on the day you get arrested for robbing a jewelry store than on the day you crash your airplane into a Manhattan highrise.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 12 2006 05:58 AM

Perhaps it's because Lidle is less closely associated with the Mets than with some of the other teams for which he played.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 12 2006 06:01 AM

You could say the same about Jeff Reardon too. Maybe the Jeff Reardon news broke earlier in the day.

Edgy DC Oct 12 2006 06:11 AM

I guess there are more Cory Lidle pages on the web than Jeff Reardon pages, as Lidle was a current player.

cooby Oct 12 2006 06:26 AM

Cleon, it's okay to be nice when the situation calls for it

cooby Oct 12 2006 06:31 AM

Oh my. NEW YORK -- For Mets third-base coach Manny Acta, Wednesday was supposed to be like any other day. He left his home at the Belaire Condominiums, a high-rise building on 524 East 72nd Street in Manhattan at 2 p.m. ET. By the time he reached Shea Stadium at close to 4 p.m., he started receiving concerned phone calls from his family. "Are you all right?" his wife, Cindy, and daughters, Jenny and Leslie, asked Acta. Acta was OK, but he learned that Yankees right-hander Cory Lidle and a passenger were killed when Lidle's plane crashed into the Belaire Condominiums. Acta was not sure he still had a home to go to on Wednesday night. If not, he would stay at a hotel that the Mets arranged for him. The ironic part was that Acta was planning to check out of the condominium for good on Thursday and stay at a hotel for the rest of the postseason. "I didn't know where the crash was," he said. "I turned on the TV [at Shea Stadium] and they started saying that it was on 71st [Street], which is a block over, and then finally, they came out and said it was on 72nd Street. "They still didn't have the exact address until they said it was 524, where I live. I started getting phone calls from my wife and daughters and friends who know where I live. It was pretty shocking." Acta was saddened to learn that Lidle lost his life in the crash. "I feel real bad about Cory Lidle, his co-pilot, his family," he said. "I also feel bad for the people inside the building. It's not just about him and me."

silverdsl Oct 12 2006 06:37 AM

cleonjones11 wrote: OK....time's up.. Couldnt he have flown the Yankee plane? He was always kind of wild The Yankes attack NY and scramble NORAD... Yankees get the Papers again tomorrow.. It's a shame when someone's fandom seems to get in the way of their respect for someone's life.This plane wreck puts things into perspective for most people that as heated and passionate as rivalries might get, it's only a game. Lidle was a living, breathing human being whose only difference from any other baseball player was that he happened to wear Yankee pinstripes most recently.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 12 2006 06:40 AM

Sorry about that, silver. Cleon's our black sheep. He speaks for himself, and not for any of the rest of us.

silverdsl Oct 12 2006 06:50 AM

Thanks. I'm a very tolerant person but some things just cross the line for me.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 12 2006 07:09 AM

Silver - please don't judge the rest of us by Cleon. You can see at a glance that he doesn't represent us.

MFS62 Oct 12 2006 07:12 AM

A list of sports-related people who have died in plane crashes was in today's NY Daily News. Until I saw that list, I had never known that legendary Notre Dame football coach Knute Rockne died in a plane crash. And he was only 44 when he died. Later

silverdsl Oct 12 2006 07:18 AM

I know that post doesn't reflect the thoughts of everyone else. Even on NYYFans we had to ban a few people since last night who thought it was appropriate to troll, try to stir up trouble and joke about Lidle's death. I'd like to say I'm surprised, but really I'm not. I'm more sad that some have that kind of attitude about this kind of a tragedy.

Edgy DC Oct 12 2006 07:24 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 12 2006 07:25 AM

Give cleon some credit, at least regarding his or her team bias. He/she pretty much dishes nothing but sub-literate crap about the Mets also. I'm going to disagree that these sort of things put sports into persepctive. I think it helps to blow sports out of perspective. If the pilot was Joe Rudnik, his name would be forfotten by Saturday and this would be out of the news by Sunday. Even now, it's the morning after. Without checking, how many of us can name the dead flight instructor? He should have been a utility infielder, then the whole country would know his name this morning. (None of this is meant with disrespect.)

metirish Oct 12 2006 07:25 AM

It's such a horrible thing to make fun of this accident,I really don't care what uniform Lidle wore,the man was a husband and father to a young child. Rest In Peace.

cleonjones11 Oct 12 2006 08:29 AM

I guess the entire Yankee season went up in flames

Benjamin Grimm Oct 12 2006 08:48 AM

Valadius Oct 12 2006 09:19 AM

Hey Yancy, are you working on getting a Metly photo for Cory Lidle's profile on the UMDB?

Edgy DC Oct 12 2006 09:24 AM

Steve posted that detail from the team photo above.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 12 2006 09:27 AM

"Working on it" is a bit of a stretch. I did do a search and came up empty. If anyone can find a good clear headshot of Cory Lidle in a Mets cap, I'll be glad to use it. I imagine that there's one in the 1997 yearbook. My scanner's not working or I'd dig out my copy and scan the photo. If anyone has the 1997 yearbook and a working scanner, I'd appreciate the assist.

Valadius Oct 12 2006 09:27 AM

There's one on the third page of this thread.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 12 2006 09:31 AM

The quality on that one is too poor. I'm going to have to pass on it.

Elster88 Oct 12 2006 09:41 AM

silverdsl wrote: ="cleonjones11"]OK....time's up.. Couldnt he have flown the Yankee plane? He was always kind of wild The Yankes attack NY and scramble NORAD... Yankees get the Papers again tomorrow.. It's a shame when someone's fandom seems to get in the way of their respect for someone's life.This plane wreck puts things into perspective for most people that as heated and passionate as rivalries might get, it's only a game. Lidle was a living, breathing human being whose only difference from any other baseball player was that he happened to wear Yankee pinstripes most recently. I wouldn't have made the jokes today either....but I'm always wary when someone gets upset over this. Jokes are made about dead people all the time. This forum, myself included, unmercifully mocks Mariano for the incident in his pool. Guess what? People died there too. So what makes that different? Or what's different when someone makes up a joke about the fire in Waco, Texas in the ninteies? Or Jeffery Dahmer's eating habits? Is it just the timespan being so small that cleon is not allowed to make these jokes? Is it okay in a year? Five years? A few days? Before anyone goes blasting cleon for this, I hope you have decided you will never joke about something related to death again. As in ever. Because otherwise ripping him is just being a hypocrite. BTW, I don't mean this as a defense for cleon. Like I said I wouldn't have made these jokes either. But I do joke about tragic events, so I'm not going rip him a new one for making these remarks.

dinosaur jesus Oct 12 2006 09:45 AM

This is way too close, both in time and, for a lot of people here, distance. There's nothing hypocritical about not finding it funny.

Elster88 Oct 12 2006 09:48 AM

Agreed. There is nothing hypocritical in not finding it funny. But what I actually SAID was there is something hypocritical in ripping the guy and then turning around tomorrow and making a joke related to someone else dying. Distance and timing matter not.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 12 2006 09:49 AM

And if you die from arguing about it we'll make jokes about you.

Elster88 Oct 12 2006 09:50 AM

I'm fine with that....but if you ripped cleon the day before then you're a hypocrite.

smg58 Oct 12 2006 09:56 AM

[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=schwarz_alan&id=2622245[/url] This was worth reading. Schwarz and Lidle were on good terms, and even discussed flying.

metsmarathon Oct 12 2006 10:45 AM

if you're gonna make off color, offensive, disrespectful, and inappropriate jokes, at least make them funny.

metirish Oct 12 2006 11:07 AM

] If anyone can find a good clear headshot of Cory Lidle in a Mets cap, I'll be glad to use it.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 12 2006 11:27 AM

Thanks, Irish! http://ultimatemets.com/profile.php?PlayerCode=0573

Valadius Oct 12 2006 11:28 AM

OE: Too late. That was quick, Yancy.

Sandgnat Oct 12 2006 11:51 AM

SteveJRogers wrote: ="Sandgnat"]Clearly the Bush Administration was behind this crash to scare people about the ongoing terrorist threat so they vote for Republicans in November. Please delete Why? Did I really need to add a SC to that? It wasn't obvious?

Benjamin Grimm Oct 12 2006 11:53 AM

Deleting is bad form anyway. It was obvious you were being sarcastic, by the way. I assume Steve found the joke to be in poor taste.

metirish Oct 12 2006 11:53 AM

I found nothing offensive about it Sandgnat.....gave me a chuckle .

Centerfield Oct 12 2006 12:11 PM

It was inevitable, but today at the gym was the first time I heard it: "If it weren't for A-Rod, he would have been at the Stadium getting ready."

metirish Oct 12 2006 12:35 PM

From the AP. ] A moment of silence was to be held before the game in tribute to New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle, who was killed Wednesday when his small plane crashed into a Manhattan high-rise.

cleonjones11 Oct 12 2006 12:37 PM

The Crane Pool Forum is a forum...but seems to be more of a club. As a forum I speak for myself only not for and other readers of this forum. As far as Lidle goes there is nothing funny about a wife and child under any circumstances when dad passes away.......MY comments were in poor taste.. Anyway..on a light note.. The YES Network present the new YANKEEOGRAPHY 2001-2006 The Choke Years! Now c'mon thats not too bad... Hey I was called the Blacksheep...Is that rascist? I'm a white sheep..more like a goat

cooby Oct 12 2006 12:38 PM

metirish wrote: From the AP. ] A moment of silence was to be held before the game in tribute to New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle, who was killed Wednesday when his small plane crashed into a Manhattan high-rise. was? I hope they mean is

ScarletKnight41 Oct 12 2006 12:39 PM

It was, indeed, held before the game.

metirish Oct 12 2006 12:41 PM

Sorry for the confusion, there will be a moments silence before tonight's game at Shea. Ok I am reading this wrong..there was going to be a moments silence before the Mets game last night...I would think they would do it tonight.

Edgy DC Oct 12 2006 12:46 PM

Never did I think of it as "inevitable" that A-Rod would be accused of killing someone with suck.

Ned Fengus Oct 12 2006 12:58 PM

Centerfield wrote: "If it weren't for A-Rod, he would have been at the Stadium getting ready." Typical bandwagon Yankmee fan - thinking it is one man's fault that a 'team" lost a series.

apmorris Oct 12 2006 02:51 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 12 2006 04:50 PM

Ned Fengus wrote: ="Centerfield"]"If it weren't for A-Rod, he would have been at the Stadium getting ready." Typical bandwagon Yankmee fan - thinking it is one man's fault that a 'team" lost a series. that is pretty funny. OK, Rushed in after I heard the story breaking on the car radio and put on WFAN and heard Chris and Mike saying they should cancel Game 1. I listen to them most days (I'm in CA), and other sports talk radio, ESPN and Jim Rome. It'll be a long time before I listen again. I get the idea that Manhattan thought it was under attack again, I am really really sensitve to that kind of thinking but, after ten minutes it was clear it was just a small plane in bad weather accident. So why call for cancelling the games. Pretending like you care, maybe? Or feeling like you should've cared more? Maybe there were no big stories (ALCS g2 and NLCS g1 mean nothing in comparison, apparently) yesterday. NOW, if it were a car accident, should the game be cancelled? If the entire Yankee team died in a plane crash, in somewhere other than NYC mind you, should MLB cancel the Game? Hell no. Just have a moment of silence and play ball ferchrissakes. WW3 did not start and he was just some hired gun who yesterday "wasn't worthy of wearing pinstripes" (so said Mike) died. Tragic yes. But we need to shut the LCS down because of it? What if he commited suicide? What if he was drunk? What if he was just careless? What if he was just CARELESS? Then I hear on ESPN this morning one sentence before I turned THAT NOISE off - "some thought MLB should've cancelled the games" - WTF is going on? I'm sure they mentioned that the A's lost because they were playing with a heavy heart blah blah blah. (I wouldn't know, I've taken to watching games with the sound off.) Did The World Wide Leader in Hype run out of T.O. news? Just an acute case of hyperbole. And ESPN and others got it terminally. ps. DIdn't KC Chief Derrick Thomas die after rolling his SUV on Superbowl Sunday morning? Did we debate not playing the game? Maybe he needed to crash it into the Pentagon or something and then we could've got all excited and acted like it was meaningful tragic and what a great guy he was (and he was).

Benjamin Grimm Oct 12 2006 03:12 PM

We do seem to have become a more maudlin society. A lot of people have pointed out that they think we've been too weepy over September 11, and point to December 7, 1942 (and December 7, 1943...) in comparison to the annual 9/11 memorial events. I just looked it up on Retrosheet. The Yankees played baseball the day Lou Gehrig died. They also played the following day. (They were in Detroit.) According to Wikipedia, they were going to play on the day of the funeral, June 4, but the game got rained out. If the Yankees played a regular season game when Lou Gehrig died, I don't see the argument for the Mets canceling a playoff game when Cory Lidle died. And if we weren't such a maudlin society, the question never would have even been raised.

apmorris Oct 12 2006 04:47 PM

"Yesterday we all experience a tragedy" on ESPN tv today. reaching for the mute button ...

Benjamin Grimm Oct 13 2006 10:41 AM

It's a little bit surprising, but Cory Lidle was the first Met to die in 2006. It's pretty late in the year. I hadn't realized it, but 2006 had a shot at being the first year without a Met death since 1991.

Edgy DC Oct 13 2006 11:01 AM

With Paul Linblad passing, it seems the death rate of the Bronx Is Burning-era Yankees is just huge. So I privately worry about Wilie Randolph, but take comfort that he keeps himself in pretty good shape.

Zvon Oct 13 2006 05:41 PM

Anyone see the POST's PAGE SIX cartoon relating to the tragedy? Its hilarious, tho I felt so guilty laughing.

SwitchHitter Oct 14 2006 10:41 AM

My daughter was trying to comfort me and she said that now he was in a better place. The first thing that popped into my mind is that anything is better than playing for the MFY. I'm bad, I know it.

OlerudOwned Oct 14 2006 07:30 PM

http://progressiveboink.com/dugout/archive/jon79.html Absolutely perfect.

cleonjones11 Oct 15 2006 12:37 AM

And I'm an Ogre about all this? What a joke...

OlerudOwned Oct 15 2006 09:30 AM

cleonjones11 wrote: And I'm an Ogre about all this? What a joke... I know it's not even worth my time, but what in the bloody hell are you yammering about now?

Benjamin Grimm Oct 15 2006 09:39 AM

I'm curious about what the Post's Page Six cartoon looked like. Is it online anywhere? How about the fact that Lidle's plane crashed into the apartment of the woman who was knocked into a coma by the Cat in the Hat balloon at the Thanksgiving Day parade in 1997? Weird.

OlerudOwned Oct 15 2006 09:54 AM

="Yancy Street Gang"]I'm curious about what the Post's Page Six cartoon looked like. Is it online anywhere? How about the fact that Lidle's plane crashed into the apartment of the woman who was knocked into a coma by the Cat in the Hat balloon at the Thanksgiving Day parade in 1997? Weird. via [url=http://www.deadspin.com/sports/cory-lidle/perhaps-this-could-have-waited-207616.php]Deadspin[/url]

Benjamin Grimm Oct 15 2006 09:55 AM

Thanks! That could have been in better taste, but it is the Post after all.

soupcan Oct 15 2006 10:05 AM

I don't get it. How come he doesn't get wings? 'Cause the Yankees spit the bit?

OlerudOwned Oct 15 2006 10:09 AM

soupcan wrote: I don't get it. How come he doesn't get wings? 'Cause the Yankees spit the bit? It took a minute for it to click in my head, too. Wings...airplane...

Edgy DC Oct 15 2006 10:32 AM

It took me some time to get also. Big guy? Steinbrenner?

Valadius Oct 15 2006 10:48 AM

I got it right away.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 15 2006 11:04 AM

God doesn't trust him to fly around in heaven.

soupcan Oct 15 2006 11:17 AM

Groooooaaaaannnnn.

Edgy DC Oct 15 2006 11:26 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: God doesn't trust him to fly around in heaven. Well, yeah, I get it now.

SteveJRogers Oct 15 2006 01:12 PM

Going through some stuff, I found a 1997 Mets Stadium Give-Away photo album featuring this nifty Lidle action shot

Valadius Oct 16 2006 03:04 PM

You know, over a decade later, don't you think it's time the union got over their beef with the replacement players?

Nymr83 Oct 16 2006 03:41 PM

Valadius wrote: You know, over a decade later, don't you think it's time the union got over their beef with the replacement players? if they were a normal union? no. considering that they are all a bunch of of rich bastards anyway? sure.

SteveJRogers Oct 16 2006 03:59 PM

I don't know about other union reps (like a Tom Glavine for example) but gotta also think (Metly anyway) about a guy like Franco's background. Sure he was in 1997 (and pretty much all of his career) a well paid entertainer, but he grew up in a very blue collar/pro-union environment, so in Franco's case I understand where he comes from being cold towards the replacement players. As for the others, Dude this is an ENTERTAINMENT industry, get over yourself, this isn't something to get all paranoid and militant about

Edgy DC Oct 16 2006 06:18 PM

So the United Auto Workers or United Mine Workers has a history of guys fraternally and happily working side-by-side with guys who crossed their picket line during a strike?

SteveJRogers Oct 16 2006 06:33 PM

Edgy DC wrote: So the United Auto Workers or United Mine Workers has a history of guys fraternally and happily working side-by-side with guys who crossed their picket line during a strike? Not sure where you are going with this Edge. I'm pretty sure my comment (and others) were aimed at sports (and actors, radio personel, ect) unions where the industry is an entertainment based industry rather than well, actual labor and all. In other words it is unfair to put the freeze on a replacement baseball player and act like you are some AFL-CIO big shot

Edgy DC Oct 18 2006 09:35 AM

I don't want to make too much of this, for obvious reasons. I don't like to beat up on Joe Torre, but the Times has these comments from him at the memorial for Lidle: “I was his manager for a couple of months, though I knew of him professionally for quite awhile,” Torre said during the reception at Faith Community Church in West Covina. “What sticks with me, what I keep replaying, is the fact that I went out to the mound and gave him the ball, and I went out to the mound and took the ball away for the last time on that day in Detroit,” he said, referring to the Yankees’ 8-3 loss to the Tigers on Oct. 7 in Game 4 of their American League division series. “I didn’t get to know him very well personally because we were only together a short time, but he seemed to blend in very well with our team,” Torre added. “And now the future that you sort of planned, there is no future other than his memory. But I know one thing: the fact that he was a Yankee and that he was very, very pleased when I called him after the trade, pleased he was to be a part of our Yankee family. Unfortunately, he couldn’t have been there longer.” Now, I initially thought that he made these in a formal address to the gathered mourners. Now, I'm thinking that it was just an empty statement to a reporter. But still, the guy dies, and the best you can say for him is that he really llikes that for 15 minutes, he was, you know, one of you? Forget that (1) his last public act was a heated defense of you, and (2) the Yankees weren't particularly likely to tender him an offer. The thing you remember about him was how pleased he was to be hit with your reflected glory? I don't think Torre is a dick or anything, but I wonder if he's been speaking the corporate bullshitspeak so long that he can't turn it off. The guy needs to drink from a different well.

MFS62 Oct 18 2006 10:01 AM

]Now, I initially thought that he made these in a formal address to the gathered mourners. Now, I'm thinking that it was just an empty statement to a reporter. But still, the guy dies, and the best you can say for him is that he really llikes that for 15 minutes, he was, you know, one of you? Forget that (1) his last public act was a heated defense of you, and (2) the Yankees weren't particularly likely to tender him an offer. The thing you remember about him was how pleased he was to be hit with your reflected glory? I don't think Torre is a dick or anything, but I wonder if he's been speaking the corporate bullshitspeak so long that he can't turn it off. Well done, Edgy. Torre has had a lot of face time with reporters, and I'd prefer to call it "manager speak". Outside the baseball world, in lengthy interviews, I haven't found him to be the most erudite person in the world. In a situation like this, it is difficult to always come up with the right words. So it may have been easier for him to revert to the references about the team that he used. I'm neither a Torre supporter nor a Torre basher, but in an situation like this, I'd be willing to cut him some slack. Later