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1970 Crane Pool Forum Rankings Thread

d'Kong76 Jul 15 2005 03:07 PM

Edgy MD Jul 15 2005 03:22 PM

Donn Clendenon finished 13th in MVP voting this season, ahead of Agee, Harrelson, and Seaver.

d'Kong76 Aug 04 2005 06:21 PM

Frayed Knot Nov 27 2006 09:05 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Nov 18 2009 08:47 PM

1970 RANKINGS POINTS PLAYER 30 Tom Seaver 29 Jerry Koosman 28 Tommie Agee 27 Donn Clendenon 26 Tug McGraw 25 Jim McAndrew 24 Gary Gentry 23 Nolan Ryan 22 Bud Harrelson 21 Cleon Jones 20 Ray Sadecki 19 Ron Taylor 18 Wayne Garrett 17 Art Shamsky 16 Jerry Grote 15 Ken Boswell 14 Danny Frisella 13 Ron Swoboda 12 Joe Foy 11 Ken Singleton 10 Dave Marshall 9 Duffy Dyer 8 Al Weis 7 Mike Jorgenen 6 Ron Herbal 5 Cal Koonce 4 Don Cardwell 3 Rich Folkers 2 Tim Foli 1 Teddy Martinez

Edgy MD Dec 10 2006 09:21 PM

Well, numbers two and thee should each have 28.5. That's 22.5 for Harrelson and Ryan. Shamsky and Garrett sould be 17.5. There's a coupla ties there.

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2006 12:12 PM

Is that how you actually had it, or is that a result of some sort of ex post facto tidying effort on your part, a la your belated attempt to steal a point for Kranepool? Problems are; a) the changes you mention leaves us a point short unless there's some other adjustment somewhere b) they don't seem to be correct. The wrap-up of the thread is as straight forward as it can be and, seeing as how it was my thread, I'm reasonably sure I didn't change it anywhere along the line. And not that a couple of half-point adjustments would change a whole lot in the grand scheme of things, but I am a bit concerned with these are coming from.

Edgy MD Dec 11 2006 12:19 PM

I'm telling you what the list says. When did I attempt to steal a point for Kranepool? I thought it was simply logical that two guys tied for second would get 28.5 points each, rather than 29, and two guys tied for 20th (Dave Marshall and Ken Singleton) would get 10.5 points rather than 10.

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2006 02:50 PM

Well it's not logical if that wasn't the original intent. Remember that some of that point-shifting stuff was done where it was thought sizable gaps existed.

Edgy MD Dec 11 2006 05:20 PM

I'm not seeing how two guys can have 29 under any circumstances. If two guys are tied for second, we would tend to give them the average of 28 and 29, 28.5. When did I attempt to steal a point for Kranepool?

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2006 09:03 PM

Well it's not like this was the only year in which this was done. Again, the idea was not just that the two players were tied but that there was a larger than normal gap between them and the player directly above or below them and so the points were adjusted (slightly) the reflect it; ie. Koosman & Agee were closer to Seaver than to Clendenon. I'll change them to the half-points in this case since it's not like it's making a huge difference. I'm just trying to make sure that we've got some kind of reliable (and findable) record of this stuff and that the data hasn't become screwed up over time for various reasons.