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Rotblatt Oct 17 2006 11:46 PM

We play at home tomorrow. We haven't given up all season and I don't see us starting now. Our pen is still in pretty good shape for tomorrow night.

Willets Point Oct 17 2006 11:48 PM

Glavine won't have any more starts this series.

Johnny Dickshot Oct 17 2006 11:49 PM

Carpenter ammassed most of his good numbers against RH hitters. This team sacks up.

Johnny Dickshot Oct 17 2006 11:49 PM

Willets Point wrote: Glavine won't have any more starts this series. enough.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 17 2006 11:49 PM

Did Glavine run over your cat or something?

Valadius Oct 17 2006 11:49 PM

We're playing at home. That means a lot.

Rockin' Doc Oct 17 2006 11:56 PM

Willets never been much of a Glavine fan.

Hillbilly Oct 17 2006 11:59 PM

It will be game 6 at Shea with the Mets down 3-2 and their backs against the wall. Mookie will be in the house.

holychicken Oct 18 2006 12:04 AM

All I am saying is that Taguchi, Duncan against and lefty and Spiezio, a bunch of crubs (although Spiezio seems to be a non-scrub in the postseason), all did damage against us this series. Eventhough the matchups for the next two days don't favor us, weird shit happens in baseball and, with our offense, anything can happen.

Edgy DC Oct 18 2006 12:19 AM

Film reviews will tell Met lefties to stop swinging at the down-and-in breaking pitches. New home plate umpire won't be calling that inside shit to lefties as strikes.

cleonjones11 Oct 18 2006 12:23 AM

The Cardinal plane could go down?

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2006 12:29 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 18 2006 12:34 AM

Willets Point wrote: Glavine won't have any more starts this series. Yeah, we've scored 0 & 2 runs in two of the threee losses this series (6 in the other) and are severely hurting for healthy and effective starting pitchers, so it's a good thing we don't have to be burdened by any more starts from the guy who's given up 3 runs over 3 games and 18 innings during the playoffs because it's clearly all his fault!! This kind of reminds me of the 'pick your designated whipping boy(s) ahead of time and then bend the facts so as to fit your pre-determined bias' shit that I thought I left behind at another forum!

Valadius Oct 18 2006 12:31 AM

There's plenty of blame to spread. But now is not the time to assign blame. There's still baseball to be played.

cleonjones11 Oct 18 2006 12:34 AM

I'm looking forward to game 7 for the AMAZIN Mets....

G-Fafif Oct 18 2006 02:59 AM

A new plot for 61*. Forget Fear. Nothing but Faith in Flushing.

cooby Oct 18 2006 09:10 AM

Maybe Cliffy feels better!

cleonjones11 Oct 18 2006 09:39 AM

cooby wrote: Maybe Cliffy feels better! I smell a Floyd walk off homerun

Yancy Street Gang Oct 18 2006 09:40 AM

Suddenly, cleon is our optimist.

soupcan Oct 18 2006 09:46 AM

Yeah, really.

metirish Oct 18 2006 10:11 AM

I'm sick of this crap,the Mets will win tonight behind a brilliant Maine ,I feel better now...

ScarletKnight41 Oct 18 2006 10:11 AM

HahnSolo Oct 18 2006 10:23 AM

Optimism... Maine for 6 Heilman for 2 Wagner for 1 and it's on to Game 7.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 18 2006 10:50 AM

It is time for John Maine to step up. He says he's confident that he will.

soupcan Oct 18 2006 11:24 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: He says he's confident that he will. Can you point me in the direction of that quote?

Yancy Street Gang Oct 18 2006 11:28 AM

Today's Daily News. Article by Anthony McCarron, headlined "Innings Maine Concern." ]Now that he is one of those options, Maine is confident that he can help the Mets. "It will be all right," he said.

Rotblatt Oct 18 2006 01:51 PM

While we're a long-shot to win tonight, we've had far longer odds this season and managed to win. Anything can happen!

Johnny Dickshot Oct 18 2006 01:53 PM

The beard is more uncomfortable than ever before. It says, "Johnny, I'm here for you."

Centerfield Oct 18 2006 02:29 PM

We're gonna fucking win. They're gonna give Carpenter a beat-down tonight...Maine will only need to be adequate to get us a win. Tomorrow, Steve Trachsel will start and give us the pitching performance of his lifetime. Complete game 2-hitter, retiring the last 21 batters he faces.

metirish Oct 18 2006 02:35 PM

] Steve Trachsel will start and give us the pitching performance of his lifetime. Complete game 2-hitter, retiring the last 21 batters he faces. Willie has said Trax is in the pen. http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spmnotes184937825oct18,0,558912.story?coll=ny-main-breakingnewslinks

Hillbilly Oct 18 2006 02:48 PM

I have a strange sense of clam right now. The Mets seem to be about where they always are in October, in a tense struggle with their backs to the wall. Likely the nature of the beast that is post-season baseball, but when the Mets are involved it’s our time to feel it. Of course, this sense of calm will be replaced by a frenzy of nervous anticipation as the afternoon proceeds.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 18 2006 03:06 PM

A strange sense of clam? Ewwww!

Vic Sage Oct 18 2006 03:15 PM

We're going to take Carpenter to the woodshed and we'll be into their bullpen by the 4th inning. Maine will give us 5 decent IP and our bullpen will finally outpitch theirs, because water always seeks its own level. i'll take a 7th game at home any time. Its not like they've got another ace to throw out there, either. Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead! Go NADS! Go NADS! Go... oh ... um... LGM!!

soupcan Oct 18 2006 03:15 PM

]Now that he is one of those options, Maine is confident that he can help the Mets. "It will be all right," he said. "It will be all right". See that? Rigfht there? THAT my friends is the definition of 'balls' "Sit back, relax, calm, down Met fans, it's under control, I've got the ball tonight. It will be all right" Oh yeah.

Rotblatt Oct 18 2006 03:20 PM

Since we lost Game 2, I started growing my beard (I operated under normal shaving operations leading up to the NLDS and decided I wouldn't switch up until we lost), and while it's not at the peak of its powers yet, I can just feel the good karma getting stronger by the minute. Let's Go Mets!

Willets Point Oct 18 2006 03:30 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Did Glavine run over your cat or something? Nah, I just take umbrage with the contstant adulation of Glavine as our "ace," "clutch," and "a big game pitcher." These things may have been true in the distant past but not during 5 Inning Tommy's time as a Met. His heart is obviously still with the Braves and he's been mailing it in for three years as he cashes his paychecks. Thus I don't wan't the Mets to be reliant on Glavine when the season's on the line. An "ace" would not automatically cough up an early lead when his team is playing on the road. A "clutch pitcher" would be able to pitch more than 5 innings. A "big game pitcher" would be able to pitch himself out of a jam. Willie went right to the pen instead of giving Glavine a chance to pitch out of a jam because he knew that Glavine couldn't do it and was on the verge of a meltdown. Runs are scarce and precious in the postseason because the pitching steps up. Weaver - whom our own usually wise Frayed Knot declared suxx - stepped up last night. Glavine, did not.

metirish Oct 18 2006 03:38 PM

Carpenter is 0-0 with an ERA of 9.00 this postseason...Maine is 0-0 with an ERA of 6.75.......Mets win.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 18 2006 03:45 PM

Willets Point wrote: Nah, I just take umbrage with the contstant adulation of Glavine as our "ace," "clutch," and "a big game pitcher." He is our ace, but only by default. It's faint praise, but he's better than John Maine, Steve Trachsel, and Oliver Perez. Willets Point wrote: His heart is obviously still with the Braves and he's been mailing it in for three years as he cashes his paychecks. His heart is obviously still with the Braves? I don't see that at all. How come nobody says that Pedro's heart is still with the Red Sox? Or that Beltran's is still in Kansas City? Is this more of this Triple Happiness nonsense? And as for "mailing it in," his performance has been very bad at times, and very good at times as well. I don't think he's mailing it in; I think he's trying to adapt to pitching with less effective stuff than he used to have. Willets Point wrote: Thus I don't wan't the Mets to be reliant on Glavine when the season's on the line. You don't honestly prefer Maine or Perez or Trachsel, do you? Willets Point wrote: Weaver - whom our own usually wise Frayed Knot declared suxx - stepped up last night. Glavine, did not. No, last night he didn't step up. But he did in NLDS Game 2 and NLCS Game 1. Are you dismissing those two starts because they were at Shea? That doesn't make much sense. Or is it because he only pitched 13 innings in the two games, and not 15 or 16? That would be quibbling. I was glad to get 6 and 7 innings from our 40-year-old starter.

OlerudOwned Oct 18 2006 03:47 PM

Those bounces. Off the glove, past the glove, off the end of the bat, off the top of the wall. They will go our way. We're due.

Edgy DC Oct 18 2006 03:49 PM

Truly there is no "constant adulation" of anybody here, except for maybe Mr. Met. I think WP knows this and is just getting an early start on maudlin drinking.

metirish Oct 18 2006 03:58 PM

I forget who,but one member recently expressed hatred for Mr.Met.

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2006 04:05 PM

I can barely recall even intermittant adulation of Glavine. Talk about your strawman arguments. But if you insist: Playoff runs given up: - in Glavine started games: 1, 0, 4 (Avg Glavine IPs = 6-2/3) - in Non-Glavine started games: 5, 5, 9, 5, 5 (Avg starter IPs = 3-2/3) Insisting that it's good news that he'll pitch no more games for us this round, or that he's been some sort of choking dog who wishes he was elsewhere just sounds like more of this childish 'ewww, he's got Brave cooties' stuff that I thought went over well only on the playground during recess

metsguyinmichigan Oct 18 2006 05:06 PM

Call me an optimist, but the Mets have never done things easily in the postseason except for the last division series and perhaps the 1969 playoffs against the Braves. This is what we do. If we wanted things to be easy, we'd haul our asses up to the Bronx and root for the team with the $200 million payroll and an All-Star at every position. That's not what we do. We are Mets fans.

Willets Point Oct 18 2006 05:09 PM

Michigan, I said something similar in another thread, but you put it more eloquently. Miracles and Magic are the keystones of the Amazin' Mets.

Willets Point Oct 18 2006 11:24 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: You don't honestly prefer Maine or Perez or Trachsel, do you? Yup. Maine at least.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 18 2006 11:27 PM

Easy to say that now! Right now I want John Maine to marry my single 24-year-old cousin.

Edgy DC Oct 19 2006 09:09 AM

It has never been and isnt' about to be a Maine-or-Glavine choice. They've been our two best options throughout this post-season, and a team tends to need more than two.

cooby Oct 19 2006 09:19 AM

I have a single 23 year old daughter, but I wouldn't want her to marry him! He looks kinda doofy

Yancy Street Gang Oct 19 2006 09:21 AM

There's a difference between a cousin and a daughter, though. I have a five-year-old daughter, and I'd be upset if she married John Maine.

cooby Oct 19 2006 09:22 AM

Because he's doofy looking, right?

sharpie Oct 19 2006 09:26 AM

Speaking of doofy looking, mrs. sharpie last night opined that the Cards are the worst looking team she's ever seen, giving only Encarnacion a good grade.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 19 2006 09:29 AM

cooby wrote: Because he's doofy looking, right? What other reason would I have for not wanting my five-year-old daughter to marry a 25-year-old-man? I guess I can think of one other reason: he has too much earning potential.

Rotblatt Oct 19 2006 10:10 AM

Oliver Perez at Shea this year: 3 GS, 19.3 IP, 3.72 ERA, 1.09 WHIP, 8.86 K/9, 2.1 K/BB, 0.93 HR/9 Jeff Suppan away from home this year: 15 GS, 82.1 IP, 5.36 ERA, 1.68 WHIP, 4.48 K/9, 1.21 K/BB, 1.20 HR/9

Frayed Knot Oct 19 2006 10:19 AM

Right now, I want to marry John Maine (nttawwt)

Yancy Street Gang Oct 19 2006 10:26 AM

Those numbers are encouraging, Rotblatt. Here's the one regular season start Suppan had against the Mets this year. It was in St. Louis in May: http://ultimatemets.com/gamedetail.php?gameno=7098

Centerfield Oct 19 2006 11:10 AM

We're gonna fucking win. Suppan doesn't survive the first. Mets pitchers go on cruise control after the Mets reach double digits in the third inning.

soupcan Oct 19 2006 11:24 AM

Suppan was 12-7 with an ERA over 4 this year. If not for the fact that he got an early lead in Game 3 and Trachsel's married to Cruella DeVil you wouldn't even be worried about tonight's game. The Shea Stadium mojo is going to be too much for Suppan to overcome. The Cards will fold.

Valadius Oct 19 2006 11:30 AM

I'm gonna echo CF. We're gonna fucking win.

MFS62 Oct 19 2006 11:50 AM

] Next time you're found with your chin on the ground There's a lot to be learned so look around Just what makes that little ole ant Think he'll move that rubber tree plant? Anyone knows an ant can't Move a rubber tree plant But he's got hi-i-igh hopes, he's got hi-i-igh hopes He's got high apple pi-i-ie-in-the-sk-y-y hopes So, any time you're gettin' low, 'stead of lettin' go, just remember that ant Oops, there goes another rubber tree plant Oops, there goes another rubber tree plant Oops, there goes another rubber tree plant When troubles call and your back's to the wall There a lot to be learned that wall could fall Once there was a silly old ram Thought he'd punch a hole in a dam No one could make that ram scram He kept buttin' that dam 'cause he had hi-i-igh hopes, he had hi-i-igh hopes He had high apple pi-i-ie-in-the-sk-y-y hopes So, any time your feelin' bad, 'stead of feelin' sad, just remember that ram Oops, there goes a billion-kilowatt dam Oops, there goes a billion-kilowatt dam Oops, there goes a billion-kilowatt dam A problem's just a toy balloon, they'll be bursted soon They're just bound to go pop Oops, there goes another problem ker-plop Oops, there goes another problem ker-plop Oops, there goes another problem ker-plop Ker-plop! You're not going against Frank Sinatra, are you? If you are, I'll have to tell "the boys". Later

Willets Point Oct 19 2006 05:33 PM

The past 11 home teams that won Game 6 of an LCS or World Series to stave off elimination have won Game 7, too. The last time a home team dropped Game 7 after winning Game 6 was the 1975 World Series, when Boston lost to Cincinnati's Big Red Machine. Source

TheOldMole Oct 19 2006 05:47 PM

I only read the optimism thread, never the defeatism thread.

Willets Point Oct 19 2006 05:59 PM

I read all the threads if only to avoid the scorn of Scarlett Knight.

Willets Point Oct 20 2006 12:36 AM

1985 - Mets have a brilliant season only to fall short to the Cardinals with a tense, tightly-played series at the end of the season. 1986 - Mets win it all. 2006 - Mets have a brilliant season only to fall short to the Cardinalswith a tense, tightly-played series at the end of the season. 2007 - ?