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Farmer Ted Oct 28 2006 10:49 PM |
Let the dealings begin.
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metirish Oct 28 2006 11:01 PM |
I really could not care if none came back...I like Cliff but he seems finished,El Duque might be worth another look....
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Yancy Street Gang Oct 29 2006 06:21 AM |
Of those, Hernandez is the one I'd most like to see come back. Of course, that depends on what other pitchers the Mets might add.
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smg58 Oct 29 2006 09:35 AM |
El Duque could keep a rotation spot warm for Pedro. Otherwise, he'd either be brought back instead of signing somebody younger and better, or he'd blocking Maine or Perez. I'd keep him in mind, but I'm not sure I'd call him a priority.
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Rockin' Doc Oct 29 2006 03:29 PM |
I always liked Cliff and will hate to see him go, but I think his best days are behind him now. He's just too fragile to count on him as an everyday player.
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Elster88 Oct 29 2006 03:31 PM |
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You can never have too much pitching. People have accidents.
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Edgy DC Oct 29 2006 03:45 PM |
A huge part of our success this year was living by that mantra.
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Nymr83 Oct 29 2006 04:19 PM |
thats true, but you have to differentiate between guys who are nice to have around incase of said accident and guys whose very presense getsw them a rotation spot whether they deserve it or not... i'm wary of el duque because he could have a 5 ERA and not get benched, any of these other guys (maine, perez, bannister, pelfrey, humber, etc) would find hteir way to AAA if they pitched poorly enough.
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Farmer Ted Oct 30 2006 10:38 AM |
Jose Valentin and Michael Tucker filed for free agency yesterday. I don't see Jose waiting around for the Mets to offer. He's going to take his 2006 season and parlay it into one more 2-year deal. I hoped for more from Tucker. I thought he could be this year's Timo. That turned out to be Endy.
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HahnSolo Oct 30 2006 10:41 AM |
I can see Jose not waiting out the Mets, but I don't believe that he's going to have a lot of suitors offering 2-year deals.
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Vic Sage Oct 30 2006 11:56 AM |
he doesn't need A LOT of suitors offering 2-year deals... he just needs one.
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Farmer Ted Oct 30 2006 12:08 PM |
Julio Franco got a two-year deal.
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Frayed Knot Oct 30 2006 02:10 PM |
Franco, btw, is on the trip as a coach for this upcoming US/Japan series.
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MFS62 Oct 30 2006 02:15 PM |
All they have to do is pass him through waivers once. If he makes it, they could put him on the bench and activate him if needed in a hurry.
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metirish Oct 30 2006 02:16 PM |
Good point FK, Omar said as much when he signed Julio that he wanted him as a coach when he finished playing,course franco says he wants to play past 50 so it might be a few years.
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Vic Sage Oct 30 2006 02:31 PM |
why couldn't he be a player/coach?
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Yancy Street Gang Oct 30 2006 02:51 PM |
I wonder, is there a limit to how many coaches there can be at a given time? In other words, is there anything preventing teams from loading up on coaches like the Yankees have on broadcasters?
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Frayed Knot Oct 30 2006 02:53 PM |
Yes, there is a limit on coaches; or, more accurately, on the number of uniformed coaches who can be in the dugout during game time.
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Edgy DC Oct 30 2006 02:57 PM |
But a player-coach would presumably not count against that limit, as he is already welcome there as a member of the roster.
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Frayed Knot Oct 30 2006 02:59 PM |
That '# of coaches rule' is part of what set Keith off upon seeing that female trainer in the SD dugout.
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metirish Oct 30 2006 02:59 PM |
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Frayed Knot Oct 30 2006 03:02 PM |
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Well yeah, if Franco fills a player/coach role and the limits are '25 + 5' (I think it's either 5 or 6) it's not like he'd be counted twice. I was being general in response to Yancy's "unlimited?" question.
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Farmer Ted Oct 30 2006 03:35 PM |
The White Sox on Monday exercised the 2007 club options on the contracts of Buehrle, Dye and Iguchi.
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metirish Oct 30 2006 06:26 PM |
Mota and R Hernandez filed today.
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TransMonk Oct 30 2006 09:02 PM |
Padres pick up option for Cameron, decline option on Piazza.
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metirish Oct 30 2006 09:06 PM |
Mike, the American League is calling you...Angels?
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Valadius Oct 30 2006 09:07 PM |
Bradford filed today too.
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Nymr83 Oct 30 2006 09:09 PM |
lets lock Bradford and Mota back up before they see the market, the bullpen is going to be key again next year on a staff unlikely to take many games deep.
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Farmer Ted Oct 30 2006 10:15 PM |
From Phil Rogers, ESPN.com...
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Zvon Oct 30 2006 10:23 PM |
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Esp Bradford. No matter what the shape of the rotation we could use that freakin double play machine.
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metirish Oct 30 2006 10:43 PM |
Deffo want to have Bradford and Mota back....
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Elster88 Oct 30 2006 10:55 PM |
Mota's another one that confuses the hell out of me. He got the everloving crap kicked out of him for half a year and then pitched well for us.
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Johnny Dickshot Oct 30 2006 11:10 PM |
Willie left him in a batter too long is all. I thought after Pujols & Edmonds worked him for lo-o-ong ABs he was prolly gassed.
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Edgy DC Oct 30 2006 11:18 PM |
There's also the minor fact of him shaking off his catcher's call.
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RealityChuck Oct 31 2006 08:28 AM |
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metirish Oct 31 2006 08:59 AM |
Yusaku Iriki filed yesterday....he was the only major league player to fail a drug test this season.
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MFS62 Oct 31 2006 09:14 AM |
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Later
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smg58 Oct 31 2006 09:14 AM |
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You can say the same thing about Perez, although Ollie wasn't as consistently good. The Cardinals will happily say the same thing about Jeff Weaver. Sometimes these things happen. I've got no problem bringing Bradford and Mota back. I'd like to see Owens get a fair chance to compete for a spot, but otherwise I see no good reason to tamper too much with the bullpen.
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Edgy DC Oct 31 2006 09:35 AM |
Guillermo Mota has been good most of his career, and he's a pretty good bet to continue to be good.
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metirish Oct 31 2006 09:42 AM |
Kennedy has "definite interest" in the Mets..no shit
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Yancy Street Gang Oct 31 2006 09:44 AM |
It's more interesting to know who the Mets are interested in, rather than the other way around.
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soupcan Oct 31 2006 09:56 AM |
Perhaps I haven't paying enough attention but there are a few names in this article that I haven't heard before...
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metirish Oct 31 2006 09:57 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 31 2006 10:15 AM |
A report in the Newsday today is saying that Schmidt wants to say on the West Coast, his agent of course says the Mets and any east coast team should not count themselves out.
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Edgy DC Oct 31 2006 10:13 AM |
Tennis elbow, it's the new appencitis.
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Yancy Street Gang Oct 31 2006 10:21 AM |
They all want to. (Why wouldn't they?)
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Frayed Knot Oct 31 2006 10:21 AM |
99% of the "news" at this time of year consists of either sportswriter speculation, or player/agent/GM posturing.
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metirish Oct 31 2006 10:23 AM |
We should at least wait till our guy goes to the winter meetings...
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Yancy Street Gang Oct 31 2006 10:26 AM |
When are the winter meetings?
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metirish Oct 31 2006 10:43 AM |
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Yancy Street Gang Oct 31 2006 11:11 AM |
I guess I won't be missing the Winter Meetings, then.
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metirish Oct 31 2006 11:18 AM |
I'm sure you'll find plenty of internet cafe's,and your hotel probably will be linked up.
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Johnny Dickshot Oct 31 2006 11:28 AM |
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Perhaps we oughta sked the Parody Challenge for this period too, so as to give the rest of us a chance
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Yancy Street Gang Oct 31 2006 11:34 AM |
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Some of my hotels don't even have toilets, so I'm not so sure how wired they'll be. Even if I do find an Internet Cafe, I don't know if I'll understand the keyboards.
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smg58 Oct 31 2006 03:52 PM |
I don't have a problem with simply picking up Glavine's option and keeping Pelfrey in AAA for a year. Glavine's buyout would be for $3M, so for the Mets to bring him back for $11M total would mean Glavine couldn't get $8M on the open market (or at least from the Braves). That's a gamble I wouldn't make. It could easily make things more expensive (i.e., if they have to scramble to get a comparable replacement) in the long run.
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Farmer Ted Nov 01 2006 08:32 AM |
Glavine's going to get a nice $25 million deal for two years. But Oliver #1 is going to take a look around.
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Vic Sage Nov 01 2006 11:10 AM |
Kennedy? Loretta?
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Elster88 Nov 01 2006 11:21 AM |
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No way in hell do I want the Mets emulating the Cardinals. "Let's try to win 83 games next year."
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Elster88 Nov 01 2006 11:45 AM |
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I know it's anathema to say it in front of many of our regular posters...but Soriano seems like a pretty good option. We need a left fielder and we need a second baseman. He plays both. And it would cost us only cash. PS: Did I use anathema correctly? I need some vocabulary/elitist help.
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Yancy Street Gang Nov 01 2006 12:04 PM |
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Elster88 Nov 01 2006 12:05 PM |
Thank you. But how 'bout the usage? Fix my sentence.
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MFS62 Nov 01 2006 12:09 PM |
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Definitiojns 3 and 4 seem to fit the bill. No need to fix your thread. :) Later
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Yancy Street Gang Nov 01 2006 12:12 PM |
I think your usage was just a little off. I don't think the suggestion is anathema, but perhaps Soriano himself is.
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Rotblatt Nov 01 2006 12:21 PM |
To the meat of Elster's argument, I'm starting to come around.
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Yancy Street Gang Nov 01 2006 12:39 PM |
I'd be okay with Soriano, too.
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Vic Sage Nov 01 2006 12:57 PM |
glad to see some of youse coming around.
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metirish Nov 01 2006 01:00 PM |
Twenty four homers at RFK Stadium this season,hell yeah I would be happy to have him.
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Centerfield Nov 01 2006 01:15 PM |
Sign Soriano to play second base. Re-sign Glavine and Floyd. Sign either Schmidt/Zito/Matsuzaka or trade Heilman-Milledge for a front of the rotation guy.
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Nymr83 Nov 01 2006 02:59 PM |
i wouldnt re-sign Floyd, he's got an awful lot of injury issues.
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patona314 Nov 01 2006 03:15 PM |
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I wouldn't sign him. He would probably bat in the 6 hole behind Wright. There would be too many strike outs between the two of them
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metirish Nov 04 2006 09:36 PM |
What about Bonds got LF....he'd look damn good in that lineup....
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patona314 Nov 04 2006 09:43 PM |
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f bonds. i'm still pissed off at him when he was a pirate. there is a guy out there called LEE if you all remember. all said and done though. sign floyd to a 1 year contract w/a 1 year option and give milledge a chance. milledge ain't no alex escobar.
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MFS62 Nov 05 2006 10:26 AM |
Neither Bonds nor Floyd is going to remind us of Cal Ripken Jr. when it comes to staying in the lineup.
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metirish Nov 06 2006 11:06 AM |
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There's that "playing for a contender" again.
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DocTee Nov 06 2006 12:26 PM |
Bay Area rumors have Pat Burrell (an area native) replacing Bonds in SF and Soriano replacing Pat the Bat in Philly.
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metirish Nov 06 2006 12:31 PM |
I read where the Giants would likely have Burrell tryout at first base.
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patona314 Nov 06 2006 02:54 PM |
I don't think anyone in MLB wants the headache that Bonds brings with him. If the Giants don't sign him, there's a good chance no one will. He could be done.
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metirish Nov 06 2006 03:24 PM |
I think some teams like like the extra bums in the seats Bonds would bring.
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Vic Sage Nov 06 2006 03:36 PM |
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plans to fill hole at 2b: Plan A: Soriano Plan B: Garciaparra Plan C: the cheapest available option from amongst: Valentin, Durham, or Loretta (and sign Aurilia as UT/backup) Plan D: the cheapest available option from amongst: Aurilia, Kennedy, DeRosa, Lugo, Belliard, T.Walker Plan E: Anderson Hernandez? Uh oh.
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patona314 Nov 06 2006 03:54 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 06 2006 03:59 PM |
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i actually like plan E. this kid can play D and the way things are going for MLB pitching in general. defense is the way to go to improve pitching. we'll have plenty of boppers when evrything is said and done.
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metirish Nov 06 2006 03:57 PM |
Yeah but at the least you would want Hernandez to hit a bit,like .240 even.
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Yancy Street Gang Nov 06 2006 04:09 PM |
Time may prove me wrong, but the way I see it, Anderson Hernandez = Rey Ordonez.
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Edgy DC Nov 06 2006 04:15 PM |
Well, apart from one or two highlight reel catches and a late-season homer, he's neither fielded nor hit up to Ordoñez's standards.
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Johnny Dickshot Nov 06 2006 06:50 PM |
Let's all right now disabuse ourselves of the notion that we can afford a 2nd baseman (or any position) who cannot hit. That doesn't mean AHernandez is out, just that he has to hit to be in.
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Nymr83 Nov 06 2006 07:45 PM |
I would have to put Lugo in the same group of options with Durham, Valentin, and Loretta, and not with the likes of Belliard and Walker
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KC Nov 06 2006 08:00 PM |
Warms my ostrich neck to see that a thread or two can bring up Rey still.
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MFS62 Nov 06 2006 08:11 PM |
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For all of us who have been holding our breath:
His leaving didn't seem likely, but it was possible. Later
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Edgy DC Nov 06 2006 08:54 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Nov 07 2006 09:46 AM |
Sage's Plan C Group:
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metirish Nov 06 2006 08:58 PM |
What happened to Aurilia the last few seasons,he was brilliant in SF and then seemed to fall of the face of the earth...
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Valadius Nov 06 2006 09:39 PM |
He went to Cincy, got injured and overtaken by Felipe Lopez in '05.
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smg58 Nov 06 2006 09:50 PM |
He was actually very good this past year, especially against lefties (1.086 OPS, .867 over last three years). He was way over his head in 01 and bad in 04, but otherwise he's been fairly consistent.
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Nymr83 Nov 06 2006 10:32 PM |
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i amended Edgy's list to include 2004, 2005, and 2006, i don't care what these guys did years ago if i had to order them i'd go: Durham, Aurilia, Loretta, DeRosa, Lugo, Valentin, Kennedy but thats irrespective of defense, age, and contract demands. if i factor in my own opinions of their defense, their ages, and i assume that they all want 2 years i'd go Durham, Loretta, Aurilia, Lugo, DeRosa, Kennedy, Valentin. Valentin was great for the Mets in 2006, but if he wanted 2 years i'd have to pass, he's the oldest man on the list and is responsible for 2 of the 5 worst seasons put up by these 7 guys in the last 3 years (21 seasons total) I've talked about liking Loretta in the past, but with the year he had in '06 I'd hesitate to give him more than a year with a team option as well. I've gotten the impression that DeRosa isn't very good defensively, but if i were told htat he's as good as the other guys on this list he'd be someone i'd take a gamble on along with Aurilia or Lugo. I'd give Durham 2 years but i have a feeling he wants 3 as he's the guy with the best name recognition here and its his last big payday.
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Nymr83 Nov 06 2006 10:35 PM |
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a platoon in general may be more cost-effective, and just as productive, as signing a Ray Durham and a guy like Woodward to be the 2B/UT, whoever isnt playing that day is the UT, i havent looked into the lefty/righty splits for these guys to see who would be the best targets (theres also the question of who would be willing)
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smg58 Nov 07 2006 08:43 AM |
Durham is clearly the best hitter of the bunch. His issues are his glove and staying healthy. You'd need a contingency plan to go with him.
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DocTee Nov 07 2006 09:42 AM |
Aurilia had a bad spell in Seattle before returning to the NL...FWIW, he's a native New Yorker (Brooklyn) so may be gotten cheaper
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Farmer Ted Nov 07 2006 09:48 AM |
Delagado doesn't request a trade, which he is entitled to. First base is locked up.
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Edgy DC Nov 07 2006 09:51 AM |
So we're agreed. Valentin plus a righthanded option at second. Call Miguel Cairo.
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Farmer Ted Nov 07 2006 09:53 AM |
I don't agree. I want Soriano's 40-40 in that lineup.
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Edgy DC Nov 07 2006 09:54 AM |
Well, um, yeah, there's that.
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Farmer Ted Nov 07 2006 09:58 AM |
Devil's advocate. It's election day, you know.
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DocTee Nov 08 2006 06:57 PM |
Josh Barfield to Cleveland--
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OlerudOwned Nov 09 2006 08:45 PM |
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Aj91hW3PTyAbpx3aVJEUUmARvLYF?slug=ap-dodgers-drew&prov=ap&type=lgns
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metirish Nov 09 2006 08:51 PM |
Does this team need another leftie hitter though?
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OlerudOwned Nov 09 2006 08:58 PM |
In my scenario, we get Drew to take Floyd's spot, and put the switch-hitting Ray Durham (who is better when facing lefties) in at second base. Milledge can give either Drew or Green an off-day with a LHP on the mound. (And Milledge will also, like, hit better).
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Johnny Dickshot Nov 09 2006 09:15 PM |
He's got to be an option now.
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TransMonk Nov 09 2006 11:37 PM |
If Drew can stay healthy, he's proven that he can put up decent offensive numbers. He has to be an option.
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Frayed Knot Nov 09 2006 11:58 PM |
Interesting tactic by Drew.
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DocTee Nov 10 2006 10:22 AM |
Biggio re-ups with Houston: 1 year $5 million
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Edgy DC Nov 10 2006 10:26 AM |
Here's hoping his helmet gets unconditionally released.
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seawolf17 Nov 10 2006 10:37 AM |
Good for Biggio. One of my favorite players ever.
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TransMonk Nov 10 2006 10:41 AM |
I agree. It's hard not to like a player who's played his entire 20 year career with one team.
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smg58 Nov 10 2006 01:50 PM |
Maybe Chris Burke is available, since the Astros seem determined not to make room for him.
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Vic Sage Nov 10 2006 02:25 PM |
oh, hell, i'd take him in a heartbeat.
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Yancy Street Gang Nov 11 2006 07:09 AM |
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From the New York Times:
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DocTee Nov 12 2006 07:03 PM |
Cubs re-up with Aramis Ramirez (5 years, $73 million) and Kerry Wood (1 year, $1.5 million).
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Edgy DC Nov 12 2006 09:07 PM |
Wood would seem worth more than that.
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Frayed Knot Nov 12 2006 09:18 PM |
Not lately
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Elster88 Nov 12 2006 09:18 PM |
Shit, I woulda taken him at 1 year, 3 mil.
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metirish Nov 12 2006 09:22 PM |
Wood must not have the same agent as Ramirez.....he's made out good with the Cubs..
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SteveJRogers Nov 12 2006 09:25 PM |
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Eh, not sure if the reward would have been greater than the risk. Oh sure he could turn everything around and actually be Ryan/Clemens-esque, but the way things have been around here lately, do we need the probable headache when it turns out to be a disaster? We aren't the MFY who can absorb mistakes you know
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metirish Nov 12 2006 09:31 PM |
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Sure the Mets can and have ,Howe,Cedano ,Bonilla...the list goes on, the Mets are not the Royals Steve...
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Edgy DC Nov 12 2006 09:35 PM |
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I'm not sure how much of this is a joke, but I disagree with most of it.
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SteveJRogers Nov 12 2006 09:39 PM |
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MFY absorb mistakes and still manage to win We have mistakes and it cost us dearly. All of the aforementioned cost us. The Yankees make mistakes, it doesn't really cost them in the long run because they can send them to Baltimore or Detroit or whatever. We get stuck, thats how we got into that particular mess after 2000
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Elster88 Nov 12 2006 09:40 PM |
My head is slowly exploding.
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SteveJRogers Nov 12 2006 09:44 PM |
Have we not learned anything from some of the flyers we've taken over the years? Mo Vaughn?
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metirish Nov 12 2006 09:47 PM |
IIRC the insurance company ended up paying for Mo.....
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Edgy DC Nov 12 2006 09:48 PM |
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Steve, Yankee-envy is silly.
Mets won more. Forget the Yankees.
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metsmarathon Nov 12 2006 09:48 PM |
mo vaughn wasn't a flier. it was a poorly researched, ill executed major investment.
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smg58 Nov 12 2006 10:45 PM |
Wood is a moot point. We never had an opportunity to negotiate with him. I didn't think the offer was out of line with his worth, given the injuries and the fact that he's resigned to being a reliever at this point. $3M would be a lot to guarantee to an injury-prone setup guy.
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metirish Nov 15 2006 11:18 AM |
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I wonder if this is true,from a Klapisch article.
If it's true then things certainly have changed.
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Edgy DC Nov 15 2006 11:21 AM |
Blanco. That's pretty funny.
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Yancy Street Gang Nov 15 2006 11:29 AM |
They're probably a match for any team, except sometimes the Yankees, and except when the player has a New York phobia.
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metirish Nov 15 2006 11:29 AM |
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I suppose we got Castro instead of him...his sponsor on baseball reference has this to say....
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patona314 Nov 16 2006 12:33 PM |
New rumor: Soriano signs w/the bosox (7yr $105M). The bosox then turn around and deal manny to the amazin's for heilman and milledge. wow...
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Frayed Knot Nov 16 2006 01:15 PM |
Does "new rumor" mean the same as "voices inside my head" ... or is there actually a grain of basis for that wild-assed speculation?
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Yancy Street Gang Nov 16 2006 01:39 PM |
That trailing "wow" leads me to believe the source was external to his head.
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OlerudOwned Nov 16 2006 01:44 PM |
That seems like a lot of extra work when you can just sign Soriano instead.
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Frayed Knot Nov 16 2006 01:44 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 16 2006 01:52 PM |
Perhaps voices inside [u:c2d00d5e8a]someone's[/u:c2d00d5e8a] head would have been a better question.
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DocTee Nov 16 2006 01:47 PM |
Windy City deal: Cubs send David Aardsma and minor leaguer to ChiSox for Lefty Neal Cotts...Aardsma is not bad.
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Frayed Knot Nov 16 2006 01:50 PM |
I fnothing else, Aardsma will forever be the guy who knocked Hank Aaron out of the leadoff spot in the Baseball Encyclopedia
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Yancy Street Gang Nov 16 2006 01:51 PM |
Did he get any death threats because of that?
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patona314 Nov 16 2006 01:55 PM |
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http://www.metsblog.com/ look for the blog posted at 10:55 AM
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Frayed Knot Nov 16 2006 02:04 PM |
That doesn't even qualify as a rumor.
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patona314 Nov 16 2006 02:06 PM |
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it's called having fun talking about baseball when baseball is not being played
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Edgy DC Nov 16 2006 02:10 PM |
Frayed Knot, under a different name used to batter peeps for asking if a rumor was "true" back in the day. Now he's demanding that they qualify.
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metirish Nov 16 2006 02:14 PM |
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Boston.com is speculating Drew will get 4 years $56 million..crazy or what...Theo Epstein spoke with the Mets yesterday,about what the article does not know...Omar on Lugo..same article...
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Frayed Knot Nov 16 2006 02:16 PM |
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I understand that, but there's also a big difference between random thoughts and the implication that it's an idea actively being considered.
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OlerudOwned Nov 16 2006 06:09 PM |
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Well Omar, I don't think it's the defense that people are going to sell him short on. He's really not all that good a hitter.
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DocTee Nov 19 2006 06:59 PM |
MLB.com reporting that the Orioles are interested in reuniting Leo Mazzone with Tim Hudson...among those going to Atlanta would be starter Hayden Penn...would this open the door for Glavine's return to the team that Ted built?
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DocTee Nov 25 2006 05:36 PM |
Six player swap: D-backs and Brewers...Johnny Estrada to Milwaukee for Doug Davis.
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MFS62 Nov 25 2006 06:40 PM |
The radio report I heard zipped through the other players involved. None of the names rang an immediate bell. Anyone else in that trade we might have heard of?
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metirish Nov 25 2006 06:43 PM |
Sure .
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A Boy Named Seo Nov 25 2006 10:29 PM |
I always dug Davis. He was pretty dern good in 04 and 05 but started walking everyone last year. Decent guy to take a chance on.
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OlerudOwned Nov 25 2006 11:25 PM |
I dug Davis' creative facial hair.
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duan Nov 27 2006 06:03 AM looks like Randy Wolf |
may sign for the Dodgers[url]http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6210860[/url], without knowing the terms it's impossible to get a read on it, but he's a guy I'd have love to have got for 1 year plus team option. At 30 and fully recovered from Tommy John, he's a good bet to return to his form of 3-4 seasons ago.
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metirish Nov 27 2006 03:50 PM |
Manny trade rumors are on again......could be treaded by Saturday,Mets not mentioned in rumors which means he'll probably end up at Shea....
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Frayed Knot Nov 27 2006 11:50 PM |
The funny thing about dealing Manny now is that the money they'll save isn't nearly as substantial as it would have been in recent years.
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Edgy DC Nov 28 2006 08:59 AM |
Manny can also veto a trade, which he couldn't do two years ago.
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duan Nov 28 2006 09:24 AM |
interestingly Manny would have got a no trade clause the moment anyone else got one, which was why the Varitek contract had this 'cute' little solution.
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Edgy DC Nov 28 2006 09:37 AM |
I'm sorry. Are you saying that Manny has a contract clause which supercedes his 5-and-10 rights, and he cannot veto a trade?
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duan Nov 28 2006 09:43 AM |
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no he's got 10 & 5 rights NOW, but in the afterglow of the world series as they were negotitating with Varitek they couldn't give him a no trade clause, as it would have triggered a no trade clause in 4 other red sox (one of whom was Ramirez). So they came up with this "rewarding loyalty" clause; couched it carefully and hoped that it would stand up legally should it come to that.
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Edgy DC Nov 29 2006 09:56 AM |
Apparently Soriano used to be a Met!
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metirish Dec 04 2006 07:49 PM |
Jayson Stark reports that both the Mets and Rangers made multi-year offers to Padilla today...a few hours later Jerry Crasnick is saying that Padilla is going to sign with the Rangers,also reports that Lilly to the Cubs...nothing official...it's a hot stove blog on ESPN..
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smg58 Dec 04 2006 09:27 PM |
I get the sense Padilla was a medium priority. The market being what it is, $34M over three years is reasonable for a 15-game winner (especially the three years). If Padilla was the guy Minaya really wanted, he could have beaten that offer.
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metirish Dec 06 2006 01:41 PM |
The Dodgers, who lost three players to free agency on Tuesday, are close to reloading in a big way Wednesday.
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Willets Point Dec 06 2006 01:48 PM |
Scary thought: The way things are going Tom Glavine is going to be the Mets "ace" next season.
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metirish Dec 06 2006 01:50 PM |
Omar will get an "ace" from the White Sox....
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sharpie Dec 06 2006 01:55 PM |
Or maybe from the A's...
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metirish Dec 06 2006 01:59 PM |
Are any of the guys been talked about in that link better options than Heilman?
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sharpie Dec 06 2006 02:11 PM |
If Harden can stay healthy then, yes, I think he is. Big if, however.
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ABG Dec 06 2006 03:00 PM |
A 25 year old pitcher who consistently throws in the high 90s, 8.28 k/9, .228 BAA, makes less than $2 million, etc? I like Heilman too, but lets not be ridiculous here.
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metirish Dec 06 2006 03:07 PM |
Well,I should have added is Harden worth Heilman and Milledge...
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attgig Dec 06 2006 03:28 PM |
that's a lot of money for schmidt (3/47). i wonder what zeetoe's worth now...
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ABG Dec 06 2006 03:38 PM |
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Yes.
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ScarletKnight41 Dec 06 2006 03:39 PM |
I like Rich Harden, but he does seem to go down with injuries very frequently.
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Yancy Street Gang Dec 06 2006 03:42 PM |
I wonder if the Devil Rays are still thinking of changing their name.
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Frayed Knot Dec 06 2006 04:32 PM |
Ted Lilly apparently down to the Cubs and Yanx as Jays have dropped out.
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Elster88 Dec 06 2006 07:53 PM |
Never mind
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metirish Dec 07 2006 11:22 AM |
The Gil Meche sweepstakes are nearly over, and the Kansas City Royals are looking like the winners.
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Edgy DC Dec 07 2006 11:27 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 07 2006 12:58 PM |
Got to be the biggest contract by far in Royals histroy, huh?
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metirish Dec 07 2006 12:48 PM |
Apparently the Cards want to talk to Bonds....
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smg58 Dec 07 2006 12:52 PM |
$11M per year for a guy with a career 4.65 ERA. $10M per year for Ted Lilly and his 4.60 career ERA. And these are the "bargains"?
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metirish Dec 07 2006 12:54 PM |
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The life of mediocre pitchers,seeing some of the other deals makes me wish I was a washed up baseball player..
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Yancy Street Gang Dec 07 2006 10:33 PM |
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metirish Dec 07 2006 10:41 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 07 2006 10:49 PM |
So how do the people that think McGwire should not be in the HOF feel about the Mets giving Mota a two year contract?..I mean Omar gave a cheat a contract..it doesn't bother me one bit...
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Nymr83 Dec 07 2006 10:42 PM |
5 million for getting busted with roids? i'd have offered him league minimum for 2007 with a $3mil club option for '08.
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smg58 Dec 08 2006 08:41 AM |
Convince me that McGwire was HOF-worthy without steroids, and he'd get my vote. (Although I'd still like to see Roger Maris get in first.)
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Yancy Street Gang Dec 08 2006 08:48 AM |
That only makes sense, smg.
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Edgy DC Dec 08 2006 09:17 AM |
I don't like it. But, "Omar gave a cheat a contract" isn't really a complete framing.
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metirish Dec 09 2006 06:32 PM |
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From the Post
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cleonjones11 Dec 09 2006 11:30 PM |
From G Mota-----"Crime does Pay!"
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attgig Dec 09 2006 11:53 PM |
if he's suspended for 50 games, and we have a 2.5 mil contract, do the mets still have to pay that portion of the contract when he's suspended?
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A Boy Named Seo Dec 10 2006 04:41 PM |
The [url=http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/baseball/mlb/texas_rangers/16209438.htm]Ft. Worth Star Telegram[/url] says Eric Gagne had handful of suitors, but is leaning towards either the Rangers or Indians for around 1 year/$6 mil. He wasn't throwing hard at all last year before he went on the shelf again, but he he's never walked anybody and still has a killer change-up. I don't see why he couldn't be as effective as Trevor Hoffman. Could be a very nice pickup for someone.
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sharpie Dec 14 2006 09:26 AM |
Jose Vidro traded to the Mariners for 2 prospects pending physicals.
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Edgy DC Dec 15 2006 11:25 AM |
Allegedly contacted by the Mets about a minor-league contract and a spring training invite: Ruben Sierra.
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Yancy Street Gang Dec 15 2006 11:39 AM |
They're just going to keep inviting him every year aren't they?
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Sandgnat Dec 15 2006 01:56 PM |
On ESPN Insider right now, Buster Olney has an article up "Identifying contenders' top needs" and he leads off with the Mets.
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Vic Sage Dec 15 2006 02:37 PM |
Do you really need somebody to pay for Olney to tell us we need an ace and a 2bman?
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Yancy Street Gang Dec 15 2006 02:42 PM |
If he's arguing that the Mets need a second baseman then I'd like to pay Omar Minaya to read the article.
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Vic Sage Dec 15 2006 03:04 PM |
the ace is a need, the 2bman a luxury.
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sharpie Dec 15 2006 03:19 PM |
I'm with Vic. Between Valentin and Easley we can probably get adequate production out of second base. If not, I'm sure Omar will go out and find us somebody else.
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Farmer Ted Dec 15 2006 03:25 PM |
BoSox give up a former Mets farmhand in this deal.
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Frayed Knot Dec 15 2006 04:26 PM |
Wonder if the Sox will try to use Donnely as their closer since they intend to move Papelbon into the rotation and I'm not sure that their draft pick from L.I. & St. John's is up to the job yet.
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Nymr83 Dec 15 2006 05:15 PM |
Wells just turned 28, he has a 112 OPS+ for his 8 year career (3 of which were partial seasons, 1 of those was only a couple of games.)
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DocTee Dec 22 2006 10:43 AM |
Jeff Conine-- a career .300 hitter against lefties --goes from Philadelphia to Cincinnati. Will platoon at 1B and spell Ryan Freel in the OF. At $2 million for 2007, the Reds found him worth two prospects.
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DocTee Dec 23 2006 03:33 PM |
Texas lands ChiSox' Brandon McCarthy in 5- player deal.
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metirish Jan 17 2007 10:39 PM |
The Pittsburgh Pirates, filling their need for a left-handed power bat, acquired first baseman Adam LaRoche from the Atlanta Braves on Wednesday for lefty reliever Mike Gonzalez.
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iramets Jan 17 2007 10:53 PM |
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Oh, it wasn;t WFAN--it was Michael Kay.
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cleonjones11 Jan 17 2007 11:58 PM |
Nice trade for Pirates....LaRoche seems to have more of a ceiling.
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smg58 Jan 18 2007 09:52 AM |
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The Braves are doing 90 in the wrong direction. They might not beat out the Nationals this year. Neither LaRoche nor Giles is making that much, but they were evidently too expensive to keep even in this market. I'm surprised Schuerholz and Cox are sticking around. A few more years of this and they'll be the Devil Rays minus the good prospects.
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smg58 Jan 18 2007 10:01 AM |
After looking at Lillibridge's numbers, he does have excellent potential as a leadoff hitter down the road. This makes the deal more palatable for Atlanta, but he's still two years away. So maybe they'll be the D-Rays with a couple of good prospects.
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Nymr83 Jan 19 2007 12:53 AM |
LaRoche is 27 years old, he's played the last 2 full seasons and alot of 2004. he has a .274/.337/.504 (114 ops+) career line which was .285/.354/.561 (133 ops+) this past season (for comparison, Delgado was .265/.361/.548, a 134 ops+ this past year.)
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Nymr83 Jan 19 2007 01:07 AM |
the Braves have signed ex-Pirate Craig Wilson for 1 year and $2 million dollars. I still don't like their trade, but it makes alot more sense now.
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Edgy DC Jan 19 2007 07:45 AM |
I think the Bravos also like the minor league shortstop they got.
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duan Jan 19 2007 09:30 AM |
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23/24 and high A ball, mean that he's got a way to go yet.
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Edgy DC Jan 19 2007 09:34 AM |
Doesn't mean they don't also like him.
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smg58 Jan 19 2007 01:33 PM |
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That's great value. For that price he'd have made an excellent platoon with Green, and could conceivably have beaten him out. I don't think he got enough AB's with the Yanks to get going, so I wouldn't make anything negative out of his time in the Bronx. I still don't like the LaRoche trade either, but adding Wilson should keep the Braves from sliding backwards. I don't see them moving forwards any, though.
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Edgy DC Jan 19 2007 01:41 PM |
Somebody track a Braves forum and see what the reaction on the street is.
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metirish Jan 19 2007 02:24 PM |
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I've been reading a Braves blog on ajc.com ,reaction seems split,no surprise there...what I found even more interesting is that the blogger David O'Brien listed his top ten Braves ever and his top ten bands ever....here they are
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Edgy DC Jan 19 2007 02:30 PM |
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Hank Aaron was pretty big before coming to Atlanta also.
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Edgy DC Jan 19 2007 02:45 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 19 2007 03:00 PM |
Bottom ten Braves lesser Braves that still stick in my craw:
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metirish Jan 19 2007 02:49 PM |
Brian Jordan would make my list of Braves that stick in my craw(love that word)
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Yancy Street Gang Jan 19 2007 02:52 PM |
You really should have your craw cleaned out twice a year.
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Frayed Knot Jan 20 2007 08:47 AM |
David Wells and the Pads agree to one more go 'round.
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Edgy DC Jan 20 2007 09:32 AM |
In my world, no one who can get his contract guaranteed should ever opt not to.
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Frayed Knot Jan 20 2007 10:17 AM |
What the crying commentators [u:f66a6d20f1]should[/u:f66a6d20f1] say, of course, is that if the NFL doesn't want to let these players get away they ought to start offereing contracts with larger guarantees and more control over their future.
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Edgy DC Jan 20 2007 12:00 PM |
In my world, no one who can a) get a chance to avoid the NFL's salary cap late in his career, butshould ever opt not to.
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Edgy DC Jan 20 2007 12:02 PM |
Oh, and a strong argument here for the non-dying-ness of baseball.
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Nymr83 Jan 20 2007 05:47 PM |
baseball is healthier than ever, but whats that got to do with this thread?
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Edgy DC Jan 20 2007 10:49 PM |
An athlete with the opportunity to choose between two major sports chose MLB, and that speaks well of baseball.
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SteveJRogers Jan 21 2007 12:42 AM |
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It would be the same if he choose a chance to play on the PGA as opposed to the NFL Or even if a Major Indoor Lacrosse League (if it still exists) franchise offered him the same contract that the Cubs put on the table Same difference, you can't chalk it up to the health of the sport he chose, though he clearly was thinking about his own health! =;)
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Nymr83 Jan 21 2007 12:58 AM |
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I was going to make a different argument, an athlete chooses baseball because the money is generally gauranteed as of where in football it isn't. It could certainly be seen as an indication of the good health of baseball that the owners see no problem with handing out gauranteed money even over 7 year deals and the fact that franchises like the Royals can give 5 year 55 million dollar deals to mediocre (at best) pitchers....it might not have been a good baseball decision but it says alot for the health of the sport that a deal like that can be handed out.
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Edgy DC Jan 21 2007 07:57 AM |
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What would be the same?
No Steve, you are steeped in wrongness.
I didn't chalk anything up. I said it speaks well. It does.
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