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soupcan
Oct 27 2006 09:46 AM

Science bites myth of vampires, ghosts

By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer
Thu Oct 26, 7:50 PM ET



Casper the Friendly Ghost.
It may be the season for him, but
University of Central Florida professor
Costas Efthimiou used science and
math to prove vampires, ghosts and
zombies are not real.


WASHINGTON - It may be the season for vampires, ghosts and zombies. Just remember, they're not real, warns physicist Costas Efthimiou. Obviously, you might say. But Efthimiou, a professor at the University of Central Florida, points to surveys that show American gullibility for the supernatural.

Using science and math, Efthimiou explains why it is ghosts can't walk among us while also gliding through walls, like Patrick Swayze in the movie "Ghost." That violates Newton's law of action and reaction. If ghosts walk, their feet apply force to the floor, but if they go through walls they are without substance, the professor says.

"So which is it? Are ghosts material or material-less?" he asks.

Zombies and vampires fare even worse under Efthimiou's skeptical microscope.

Efthimiou looked at the most prominent child-turned-zombie case that zombie aficionados cite: the 1989 case of a Haitian 17-year-old who was declared dead and then rose from the grave a day after the funeral and was considered a zombie. The boy, who never died but was paralyzed and could not communicate, had been poisoned with toxins from a relative of the deadly Japanese pufferfish, later research showed.

Efthimiou takes out the calculator to prove that if a vampire sucked one person's blood each month — turning each victim into an equally hungry vampire — after a couple of years there would be no people left, just vampires. He started his calculations with just one vampire and 537 million humans on Jan. 1, 1600 and shows that the human population would be down to zero by July 1602.

Take that Casper, Dracula and creepy friends.

All this may seem obvious, but to Efthimiou and other scientists, the public often isn't as skeptical as you might think. Efthimiou points to National Science Foundation reports showing widespread belief in pseudosciences — such as vampires, astrology and ESP.

More than 1 in 3 Americans believe houses can be haunted, a 2005 Gallup poll showed. More than 20 percent of Americans believe in witches and that people can communicate with the dead. TV shows such as "Medium" and "Ghost Whisperer" are popular.

"We're talking about a large fraction of the public that believes in subjects that scientists believe are out of the question," said Efthimiou. His paper is in an archive awaiting publication either in the journal Physics Education or the magazine Skeptical Inquirer, he said.

University of Maryland physics professor Bob Park, author of the book "Voodoo Science," said scientists have to keep telling the public what seems all-too-obvious.

"There are things that we need to point out that are crap," Park said.

It's gotten so bad, Park has a hard time watching movies these days. Not Efthimiou, who liked the horror movie "The Ring."

"I have nothing against movies," he said. "I have nothing against people who like them, as long as they don't mix reality with fiction."

And Halloween? Both physicists will suspend disbelief when vampires, ghosts and zombies come to their doors.

"I give them candy and I feign fright," Park said. "They enjoy it, what the hell. The problem is the ones that never get over it."



soupcan - Okay smarty pants what if vampires eat rats most of the time and humans are maybe a delicacy that they only eat every so often? Duh.

Frayed Knot
Oct 27 2006 09:56 AM

Well I'm glad he cleared that up!

cooby
Oct 27 2006 09:57 AM

boo is right! There are so ghosts!

Edgy DC
Oct 27 2006 10:05 AM

His vampire case and zombie case are sounder than his ghost case.

Yancy Street Gang
Oct 27 2006 10:07 AM

]All this may seem obvious, but to Efthimiou and other scientists, the public often isn't as skeptical as you might think. Efthimiou points to National Science Foundation reports showing widespread belief in pseudosciences — such as vampires, astrology and ESP.

More than 1 in 3 Americans believe houses can be haunted, a 2005 Gallup poll showed. More than 20 percent of Americans believe in witches and that people can communicate with the dead. TV shows such as "Medium" and "Ghost Whisperer" are popular.


Yes, all too many Americans are gullible to the supernatural.

It's frustrating, but I don't think there's anything that can be done about it.

cooby
Oct 27 2006 10:08 AM

Edgy you live in one of the most haunted towns in the world...

MFS62
Oct 27 2006 10:10 AM

There are three different theories about how vampires are created. Each has been described in popular books.

In Steven King's Salem's Lot, one bite by a vampire turns the victim into one.

In Bram Stroker's Dracula, a person must be bitten three times by the same vampire to become one.

In Anne Rice's Interview With the Vampire, the vampire must engage in a ritualistic blood-exchange process to intentionally turn its victim onto one.

Professor Efthimiou seems to have based his calculation on the King version.

But Efthimiou sounds like a Rumanian (Transylvanian) name to me. Could his statement just be a cover up? Maybe he is a vampire himself, and is just trying to get us to walk outside, alone, at night, unaware of the true potential consequences. Has anyone ever seen the Professor in the daylight? Or his reflection in a mirror? Served him a garlic bagel?

Or, hey, he only teaches at Central Florida University. How smart can he be?

Later

cooby
Oct 27 2006 10:24 AM

Stephen King's idea is the best. That's a very good book, btw

MFS62
Oct 27 2006 11:20 AM

Soupy, the title of this thread makes it a great candidate for the featured archives.
Good job.

Later

Vic Sage
Oct 27 2006 12:33 PM

]Yes, all too many Americans are gullible to the supernatural.
It's frustrating, but I don't think there's anything that can be done about it.


What a surprise that, in a nation largely populated by people who believe in a god and a heaven and a hell and angels, and whose legislators act accordingly, there are a large number of people who also believe in ghosts, vampires and zombies.

Magical thinking is a slippery slope. One person's myth is another person's dogma.

MFS62
Oct 27 2006 12:37 PM

Vic Sage wrote:
One person's myth is another person's dogma.


Well said. Did you just make that up?
If so, I'm impressed.

Later

cooby
Oct 27 2006 01:16 PM

Vic Sage wrote:
]Yes, all too many Americans are gullible to the supernatural.
It's frustrating, but I don't think there's anything that can be done about it.


What a surprise that, in a nation largely populated by people who believe in a god and a heaven and a hell and angels, and whose legislators act accordingly, there are a large number of people who also believe in ghosts, vampires and zombies.

Magical thinking is a slippery slope. One person's myth is another person's dogma.



I'm happy to believe in both

Yancy Street Gang
Oct 27 2006 01:30 PM

I'm with you Vic. Even though it's 2006, too many people are sticking with 12th Century beliefs.

Nymr83
Oct 27 2006 02:53 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
His vampire case and zombie case are sounder than his ghost case.


i think his vampire case is the least "sound" of all because it rests on at least 2 unprovable assumptions (because vampires aren't real anyway): 1. they need to feed once a month 2. their victims ALL become vampires

Edgy DC
Oct 27 2006 02:56 PM

Unproveable assumptions, of course, but if those are part of the vampire theory people are working with, than it is disproved.

It's an argument. They tend to work within a set of assumptions.

Sandgnat
Oct 27 2006 03:38 PM

This guy keeps it up and Ghost Hunters will be off the air and Savannah's countless haunted tour operators will be out of business in no time.

Edgy DC
Oct 27 2006 03:45 PM

So, enough, Sandgnat. What did you have to do with bringing the Mets to Savannah?

Because your gain is my loss.

Willets Point
Oct 27 2006 03:55 PM

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein.

KC
Oct 27 2006 04:27 PM

I've experienced a spirit more than once on The Cape at a house my friends
used to rent. There's no science or religion or anything that would change my
mind on this one. Call me a crackpot (it's not like ya'll don't already).

Willets Point
Oct 27 2006 04:31 PM

Using Dickshot's generator we can come up with much more creative (and obscene) things to call you than "crackpot."

Nymr83
Oct 27 2006 04:44 PM

haunted houses have even made their way to court, anyone here with lexis/westlaw access through work/school check out Stambovsky v. Ackley (169 A.D.2d 254, 572 N.Y.S.2d 672) for a really funny opinion filled with puns about ghosts.

KC
Oct 27 2006 04:49 PM

http://members.aol.com/schwenkler/wcc/stambov.htm

up one level is: http://members.aol.com/schwenkler/wcc/index.htm

Nymr83
Oct 27 2006 04:52 PM

thanks KC i had no idea about that site and did not wish to risk the wrath of westlaw by pasting from there.

KC
Oct 27 2006 05:21 PM

Everything is on the internet somewhere just waiting to be
googled, counselor.

Sandgnat
Oct 27 2006 06:07 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
So, enough, Sandgnat. What did you have to do with bringing the Mets to Savannah?

Because your gain is my loss.


Ummmm, voted yes on the recent SPLOST (Special Purpose Local Option Sales Tax) referendum which included $ 5 million for improvements to Grayson stadium?

Told them I would stop coming to Thirsty Thursday games, which threatened to decrease beer sales substantially?

Threatened to beat a baby sandgnat with a club unless they signed on with the muts?

Just those three things, I think.