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Where do i find a current list of top Met prospects?
| Vic Sage Oct 30 2006 09:59 AM |
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Knot, I'm speaking to you!
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| MFS62 Oct 30 2006 11:58 AM |
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Here ya' go.
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| Edgy DC Oct 30 2006 12:02 PM |
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Hi, Mark.
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| Mark Healey Oct 30 2006 12:06 PM |
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lol...
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| Frayed Knot Oct 30 2006 12:07 PM Re: Where do i find a current list of top Met prospects? |
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Didn't realize I was the authority on this sort of thing. Baseball America will start their annual take on each team probably starting in the next week or two. They'll release their review of a new team every few days at [url=http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/]their website[/url] (or one division at a time via their bi-monthly newsstand magazine) between early November and around February or so -- meaning that their NYM list could be as soon as next week or not for a few months yet depending on which order they choose. A non-subscriber will get access to some info via the site but blocked out of others (like you'll get their top-10 list but not individual scouting reports). If you want the write-ups find a newsstand and buy the one issue where they scout the NL East. If top-10 isn't enough for you they sell a handbook where they go 30-deep in each system. John Sickels is also considered an authoritative view on this sort of thing and will do a similar review for minorleaguebaseball.com at some point over the winter. If you want something NOW!!!! a little internet searching will probably turn up various lists with some Met fan's opinion of the minor league world. Whether his/her opinion is worth anything is anyone's guess. Any list still left over from last year will be so out of date at this time as to be virtually worthless.
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| MFS62 Oct 30 2006 12:11 PM |
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That post, and his response, both earn high marks. Later
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| Edgy DC Oct 30 2006 12:15 PM |
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Mark, do you have a more up-to-date list?
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| Vic Sage Oct 30 2006 12:28 PM |
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well, yeah, thats the problem. I've searched all over and i'll i'm finding is stuff from the spring 06, at the latest. I have no interest in PAYING for this sort of info, so i guess i'll just have to wait for the BA and Sickels updates. I just figured our own FK could list our current top 30-50 prospects off the top of his head.
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| Edgy DC Oct 30 2006 12:30 PM |
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What did Smith do this year? Turned his ankle badly or something, wans't it?
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| Mark Healey Oct 30 2006 12:37 PM |
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Working on one now...we usually update the laist (even in the offseason) for the realese of each mag issue...as BA and other places do, we use a panel of scouts, team personnel and others to compile the ranksings and this is a tough time to get feedback...I might wait until the Winter Meetings in Orlando (when a lot of those people are in the same place) to do it... Phil Humber and Mike Carp will def be on the new list, though...
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| Frayed Knot Oct 30 2006 12:43 PM |
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Hell no, I don't even pretend to be an expert on this sort of stuff. I'll be shakey after 4 or 5. Pelfrey & Humber didn't play enough to ruin their 'prospect' status so they'll be at/near the top but I don't think Milledge is still eligible, meaning that the remaining names are going to be mostly lower-level "potential" guys, but no one real polished or all that close to the show. No use subscribing to BA is all you want is the basic list - although coughing up the 3-4 bucks for that one issue just to get the quickie write-ups on the top 10 guys isn't a bad idea.
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| Edgy DC Oct 30 2006 12:49 PM |
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Jesus Flores will move up. Martinez certainly didn't hurt himself this year (except that he literally hurt himself). Just treading water, at the rate the Mets have pushed him, is impressive.
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| Vic Sage Oct 30 2006 02:13 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 30 2006 02:55 PM |
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Okay, so far thats:
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| Edgy DC Oct 30 2006 02:21 PM |
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Smith and Concepcion are fallback candidates.
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| Vic Sage Oct 30 2006 02:31 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 30 2006 03:22 PM |
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what has happened to:
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| Frayed Knot Oct 30 2006 03:06 PM |
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My guesses: L.Milledge (OF) -- Too much ML time, no longer a prospect C.Gomez (OF) -- Top 5 guy in our system, I'll be more interested to see how they view this guy in the wider universe of all prospects (that list comes out in early March) M.Pelfrey (RHP) -- Top 5 P.Humber (RHP) -- Ditto F.Martinez (OF) -- Ditto again, J.Flores (C) -- Top 10 H.Owens (RHRP) -- Not sure how he's viewed J.Niese (LHP) -- Top 10 D.Guerra (RHP) -- Top 5 A.Concepcion (OF) -- Top 10? M.Lindstrom (RHP) J.Smith (RHP) M.Carp -- Top 10 Anderson Hernandez, SS -- Might not be eligible, and wouldn't rank too high even if he is Brian Bannister, RHP -- Top 10 if he's still eligible Alay Soler, RHP -- Too much ML time, not eligible and what has happened to: Emmanuel Garcia, SS Brett Harper, 1B, -- possible top 10 Robert Parnell, RHP -- moving up I'd guess, but nothing eye-popping, possible top 10 Ryan Coultas, SS Matthew Durkin, RHP German Marte, RHP Shawn Bowman, 3B Nick Evans, 3B M.Pinango C.Coles Michel Abreu (1b) Kevin Mulvey (RHP) -- Not much of a track record to date Bobby Malek (of) -- Future utility guy at best Brandon Nall (RHP) Steve Schmoll (RHP) Dustin Martin (OF) Drew Butera (C) Blake Eager (RHP)
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| Vic Sage Oct 30 2006 03:22 PM |
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Waner Mateo, RHP
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| Edgy DC Oct 30 2006 04:32 PM |
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Soler and Bannister each clocked under 50 innings, so both should still be eligible.
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| OlerudOwned Oct 30 2006 05:48 PM |
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Emmanuel Garcia, SS
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| Johnny Dickshot Oct 30 2006 05:54 PM |
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This guy was Duke's 2nd pick, in a pretty sweet draft position, in '04 I guess. I know he's been hurt, but what of him otherwise? Like, can he be good? Be a shame to know we'd wasted that pick.
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| MFS62 Oct 30 2006 06:56 PM |
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Miguel Pinango was a minor league free agent - released by the organization.
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| Edgy DC Oct 30 2006 09:45 PM |
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Andrew Wayne Wilson took a U-Turn. After winning awards going .284 / .370 / .532 // .902 at St. Lucie in 127 games (20 of them behind the plate) in 2005, he regressed to .226 / .303 / .335 // .638 in 90 games in 2006.
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| ABG Oct 31 2006 07:29 AM |
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Other than Payton, who else is from Zanesville?
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| Edgy DC Oct 31 2006 07:36 AM |
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Mike Bordick.
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| MFS62 Oct 31 2006 07:38 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 31 2006 07:42 AM |
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Waner Mateo, RHP 0-5, 3.94 at Hagerstown
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| Benjamin Grimm Oct 31 2006 07:41 AM |
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I don't mind if the Mets hang on to Ragsdale in an attempt to get something from their investment. That kind of thing bothers me more on the big league level than it does in the minors.
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| MFS62 Oct 31 2006 08:14 AM |
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Some others:
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| Frayed Knot Oct 31 2006 08:30 AM |
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I'm not sure Melville had his ship captain pursue that overgrown fish as much as MFS chases after Ragsdale.
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| MFS62 Oct 31 2006 08:39 AM |
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You're not too far off in that estimation. LOL! BTW- IIRC his bonus was around $900K. That sounds high for a second rounder, but that the number that sticks in my head. EDIT: "Its not personal, Sonny. Its business." Michael Corleone I'm sure Corey is a nice guy, kind to his mom, buys girl scout cookies and loves animals. But my feelings toward him are out of the frustration that, as you said, he's not blocking anybody. And that's because the Mets haven't come up with any decent middle infielders (except for Reyes) for him to block since they drafted him. Incidentally, my opinion of Corey led to a 10+ page thread that has lasted all season on another board. Some of the replies in defense of Corey are quite funny, and were intended to be. Later
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| Frayed Knot Oct 31 2006 09:05 AM |
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The thing is, you constantly hold him up as THE PRIME example of draft picks gone wrong when, in fact, his journey is far more common than not.
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| MFS62 Oct 31 2006 09:14 AM |
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He is my personal pet peeve. Everyone has one. And it is usually irrational. I plead guilty to that.
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| Johnny Dickshot Oct 31 2006 09:18 AM |
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What a relief to know your tiresome Corey Ragsdale act isn't annoying just us.
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| Edgy DC Oct 31 2006 09:18 AM |
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We're supposed to debate you on this when you insist on being irrational?
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| MFS62 Oct 31 2006 09:26 AM |
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How am I "hanging this over everybody's head"?
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| metirish Oct 31 2006 09:31 AM |
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Anyone know how Concepcion is doing,FK has him as a questionable top 10 prospect...has he fallen back or is he on the up?
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| Edgy DC Oct 31 2006 09:35 AM |
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This isn't about everyone. You catch others making irrational arguments, I expect you to call them on it. And you can expect them not to acknowledge the irrationality on one hand and go right on merrily working it on the other.
Fine. As continuously shown above and elsewhere, it's annoying, and, not immaterially, such foolishness lends discredit to other things you have to offer. But it's your perogative. Lack of self-awareness is abosulutely epidemic.
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| Edgy DC Oct 31 2006 09:36 AM |
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Concepcion has fallen. Showing little power.
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| Valadius Oct 31 2006 10:03 AM |
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Edgy was thinking in the right direction. It's not Bordick, though, but Kurt Abbott.
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| Edgy DC Oct 31 2006 10:06 AM |
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Duh, of course. Abbott. Michigan-born Bordick was from Maine, and a rare speieces of another stripe --- an undrafted free agent that makes the bigs and flourishes.
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| Johnny Dickshot Oct 31 2006 10:16 AM |
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Anyway, what's the poop on Matt Durkin?
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| Frayed Knot Oct 31 2006 11:38 AM |
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Again, I don't think any of this makes Ragsdale different from virtually any other prosepct. There's no point in warehousing guys at those lower (short-season) rungs of the farm. Those are there as much to find out whether the new boys can play well with the other kids and to teach them to live away from home (or learn English in the case of the Latin kids) as much as anything. Look, either this guy will get better at some point or he'll wash out and start learning the phrase "want fries with that?". If/when he becomes a 6-year guy he'll have some other options to boot. In the meantime, he's drawing a paycheck and filling a spot that needs filling while not adversly affecting anyone in the org.
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| metirish Oct 31 2006 11:40 AM |
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I never heard of the guy until this thread...
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| Frayed Knot Oct 31 2006 11:50 AM |
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Keep in mind that's nothing more than my non-expert guess. But it also could be treated as a good sign in that we now have others who can push him out of a top-5 spot. The recent high draft picks (Humber, Pelfrey) and Latin signings (F Martinez, Guerra, Gomez) are better, younger, and/or more polished. Concepcion's problem is that he was always older than his level, having only acheived his somewhat lofty perch by having a good year against younger players in split-season Brooklyn. But, just as you don't get into college via good marks in grade school, prospects have to keep progressing if they want to get anywhere. Standing still is, in effect, the same as regressing.
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| Frayed Knot Oct 31 2006 09:29 PM |
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I found that BA study of draft picks that I mentioned earlier
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| Edgy DC Nov 01 2006 05:17 AM |
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If you're thinking about taking me in the seventh round, hold off until the eighth. If you're thinking about taking me in the ninth round, hold off until the tenth.
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| Mark Healey Nov 01 2006 05:25 AM |
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Just to chime in on Ragsdale...he's had plenty of opportunities, and plenty of special instruction...he just can't hit.
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| Vic Sage Nov 01 2006 08:31 AM |
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The TITTS swell with pride.
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| MFS62 Nov 01 2006 08:47 AM |
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Thanks, FK.
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| Frayed Knot Nov 01 2006 09:14 AM |
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Yes, the 1st round figures include the supplemental picks as well (that's how more than 300 signed)
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| Edgy DC Nov 01 2006 09:29 AM |
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How is Gammons doing, by the way?
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| MFS62 Nov 01 2006 09:35 AM |
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I think you're right in your interpretation of his comments. As for Gammons, he returned to ESPN at the end of the season and seems to be ok. Later
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| Vic Sage Nov 01 2006 01:16 PM |
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A tentative prospects list, based on info gleaned here and on last season's performance:
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| MFS62 Nov 01 2006 04:35 PM |
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Nice list.
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| Edgy DC Nov 01 2006 08:52 PM |
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It's a pretty safe bet, I think, that Martinez has passed Gomez.
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| Vic Sage Nov 02 2006 07:47 AM |
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REVISED:
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| MFS62 Nov 02 2006 08:00 AM |
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That may be true on some lists because of the way Martinez is being promoted quickly (like Gomez was this year). But I still think Gomez has the potential to become a better all around player because he has already demonstrated better speed, arm and defense than Martinez. Still, its nice to see the Mets with two outfield prospects with their abilities. Later
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| Frayed Knot Nov 02 2006 08:21 AM |
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In part it'll depend on who's doing the rating.
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| MFS62 Nov 02 2006 08:59 AM |
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FK, good analysis of the different approach by the different rating services.
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| Frayed Knot Nov 02 2006 11:55 AM |
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What I meant by 'Top-20' was having a player who rates that high on the league-wide 'Top-100' type of lists.
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| MFS62 Nov 02 2006 12:00 PM |
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That's the distiction I made, too. We are apparently in violent agreement. :) Later
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| Frayed Knot Nov 06 2006 10:36 AM |
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btw, Baseball America started its parade of team-by-team 'Top-10' lists today, beginning with the Orioles.
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| MFS62 Nov 06 2006 11:09 AM |
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AL first again?
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