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Frayed Knot Nov 03 2006 10:35 AM

The AL list was announced late Thursday: P - Kenny Rogers (5th one) -- There's got to be a punchline somewhere about a Tiger pitcher winning a fielding award. Guess the stick'um really helps? Oldest ever to win? C - Ivan Rodriguez (12) -- I guess Joe Mauer will have to wait for Pudge to retire or die 1B - Mark Teixiera (2) 2B - Mark Grudzeyechart (1) SS - Derek Jeter (3) -- I was thinking (hoping) that Alex Gonzalez might win. He's clearly a better defensive player but missed a lot of time in the 2nd half . Plus, he's not, y'know ... Jeter. 3B - Eric Chavez (6) OF - Vernon Wells (3), Tori Hunter (6), Ichiro Suzuki (6) -- As usual, they pick 3 CFers (Ichiro split time between RF & CF). Gary Mathews Jr may have been snubbed although that still wouldn't have solved the too many CFers problem. NL to come out today.

Edgy DC Nov 03 2006 10:42 AM

Jim Kaat won his last Gold Glove at 38. Greg Maddux won last year at 39. Ozzie at 37, so I guess Kenny Rogers looks good for being the oldest.

Yancy Street Gang Nov 03 2006 10:51 AM

Think the Mets have any Gold Glove candidates this year? Does Beltran have a shot?

Edgy DC Nov 03 2006 10:54 AM

Yes. Reyes may get a look as well, though likely for the wrong reasons. Wright won't win, but I similarly wouldn't be surprised to see him get some support.

metirish Nov 03 2006 10:54 AM

Beltran should be in with a shot,what about Reyes?

Yancy Street Gang Nov 03 2006 10:59 AM

Mets haven't had a Gold Glove winner since 1999, when Ventura and Ordonez won. Other long Gloveless stretches were 1962 through 1969, 1972 through 1979, and 1990 through 1996. The last time I got to enter a post-season award on this page was in 2001 when Piazza won his last Silver Slugger award.

MFS62 Nov 03 2006 11:11 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Other long Gloveless stretches were 1962 through 1969, 1972 through 1979, and 1990 through 1996. Anyone who saw those teams doesn't have to wonder why. :) I think Bud Harrelson deserved one in '68. But he lost time in the service and playing onlly 109 games may have hurt his chances. Later

metsmarathon Nov 03 2006 12:08 PM

juan uribe would be another player worthy of taking away jeter's glove, tho he only played 132 games.

metsmarathon Nov 03 2006 12:11 PM

in the NL, shortstop should probably go to adam everett, but will certainly go to omar vizquel, who was the second best shortstop.

Valadius Nov 03 2006 12:12 PM

Hey Yancy - Piazza actually won the Silver Slugger in 2002 as well, according to MLB.com.

Yancy Street Gang Nov 03 2006 12:14 PM

I'm always the last to find out everything.

cooby Nov 03 2006 12:15 PM

MFS62 wrote: ="Yancy Street Gang"] Other long Gloveless stretches were 1962 through 1969, 1972 through 1979, and 1990 through 1996. Anyone who saw those teams doesn't have to wonder why. :) I think Bud Harrelson deserved one in '68. But he lost time in the service and playing onlly 109 games may have hurt his chances. Later Palmiero won one at first base once though while playing primarily as a DH Buddy wuz robbed

seawolf17 Nov 03 2006 12:20 PM

[url=http://progressiveboink.com/dugout/archive/nick90.htm]The Dugout[/url]'s take on the issue. That site makes me laugh every day.

Edgy DC Nov 03 2006 12:28 PM

A little cheap on giving Alex a kooky accent, no?

soupcan Nov 03 2006 12:28 PM

That site IS funny. I don't check that out enough.

MFS62 Nov 03 2006 12:30 PM

cooby wrote: Buddy wuz robbed He did a lot of robbery himself. I've seen all the shortstops in both leagues since the days of Phil Rizzuto, and Bud was the best I ever saw at tracking down pop flies, fair and foul, down the third base line. He must have turned dozens of would-be strikes and potential doubles into outs where most other shortstops couldn't have. Later

Johnny Dickshot Nov 03 2006 12:41 PM

Edgy DC wrote: A little cheap on giving Alex a kooky accent, no? I interpret that as commentary on his wavering identity as an American or Dominican.

Edgy DC Nov 03 2006 12:43 PM

The world with its subtlties is eluding me is eluding me these days.

Centerfield Nov 03 2006 01:03 PM

Shortstops who play in New York that are better defensive players than Jeter: Jose Reyes Alex Rodriguez Anderson Hernandez

KC Nov 03 2006 05:16 PM

Congratualtions to Carlos Beltran ... Gold Glover

Yancy Street Gang Nov 03 2006 05:56 PM

Beltran's Gold Glove has been officially recorded. As has Mike Piazza's 2002 Silver Slugger. Don't know how I missed that. Thanks to Valadius for pointing it out.

Nymr83 Nov 03 2006 05:57 PM

they need to have the players or managers vote on GGs, i simply can't trust the writers after the Palmiero incident.

Edgy DC Nov 03 2006 07:14 PM

I think they should have advance scouts vote. Or a specially appointed panel of former players and coaches.

Nymr83 Nov 03 2006 07:30 PM

advance scouts are a good idea i think "former" anything could run into the same problem as the writers: they know a guy by reputation but dont know what hes done this year

Edgy DC Nov 03 2006 09:54 PM

Well, "specially appointed" would mean "carefully selected guys williing to do the work." But that's what advance scouts are anyway, and they're paid to be the first ones to notice when a guy loses a step.

metirish Nov 03 2006 09:56 PM

I think that's a great idea, the writers strike me as lazy.....

Nymr83 Nov 03 2006 10:06 PM

the writers strike me as ignorant or worse. to give a GG to a guy who played 20 games of the position smacks of ignorance to what is actually going on in the league

SteveJRogers Nov 03 2006 10:26 PM

Nymr83 wrote: the writers strike me as ignorant or worse. to give a GG to a guy who played 20 games of the position smacks of ignorance to what is actually going on in the league Did I miss something, I thought the GGs were done my managers and coaches? BTW, I'll give you something worse that was undereported and only because the player is one of the current "It" players in the game. How was David Ortiz even allowed to be on the ASG ballot as the AL 1Bman? Plays 10 games a year, and only because the Sox need that bat in the lineup when playing at the NL park during interleague.

Valadius Nov 05 2006 04:23 PM

Another thing I just picked up - Eddie Murray won the 1977 Rookie of the Year with Baltimore. It's not recorded on the UMDB.

Nymr83 Nov 05 2006 05:18 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: ="Nymr83"]the writers strike me as ignorant or worse. to give a GG to a guy who played 20 games of the position smacks of ignorance to what is actually going on in the league Did I miss something, I thought the GGs were done my managers and coaches? BTW, I'll give you something worse that was undereported and only because the player is one of the current "It" players in the game. How was David Ortiz even allowed to be on the ASG ballot as the AL 1Bman? Plays 10 games a year, and only because the Sox need that bat in the lineup when playing at the NL park during interleague. the AS ballot question is a good one, is there a spot for DH? if so he belongs there, if not i dont think its fair to leave him off the ballot which means putting him at the fielding spot where he played the most games the previous year. i wonder if Steinbrenner will try to put Matsui at 2B on the ballot, he'd stand a chance of getting in

Edgy DC Nov 05 2006 05:23 PM

This has been going on since the dawn of the DH, and tradition has been to allow teams to push their star DH onto the ballot at another position when there is no DH in the game.

SteveJRogers Nov 05 2006 05:31 PM

Nymr83 wrote: ="SteveJRogers"] Nymr83 wrote: the writers strike me as ignorant or worse. to give a GG to a guy who played 20 games of the position smacks of ignorance to what is actually going on in the league Did I miss something, I thought the GGs were done my managers and coaches? BTW, I'll give you something worse that was undereported and only because the player is one of the current "It" players in the game. How was David Ortiz even allowed to be on the ASG ballot as the AL 1Bman? Plays 10 games a year, and only because the Sox need that bat in the lineup when playing at the NL park during interleague. the AS ballot question is a good one, is there a spot for DH? if so he belongs there, if not i dont think its fair to leave him off the ballot which means putting him at the fielding spot where he played the most games the previous year. i wonder if Steinbrenner will try to put Matsui at 2B on the ballot, he'd stand a chance of getting in When the game is in the AL park there is a DH slot on the ballot. Not entirely sure when that officially started, probably mid-1990's. I know Edgar Martinez was usually the most vote getter a few times in that balloting. Ortiz was it in 2005 Not sure what the heck they are doing next year as the ASG moves to San Francisco so I doubt they'll be doing the DH ballot for 2007

SteveJRogers Nov 05 2006 05:34 PM

Edgy DC wrote: This has been going on since the dawn of the DH, and tradition has been to allow teams to push their star DH onto the ballot at another position when there is no DH in the game. Yup, but IIRC its only in more recent years where the regular DH played upwards of 140-162 games a year ala Edgar (due to injuries) and Ortiz (due to lack of skill). Usually they justified being considered an OFer or INFer with a decent buschel of games in the field.

Edgy DC Nov 05 2006 06:08 PM

Depends on what you call decent.

MFS62 Nov 06 2006 12:40 PM

Edgar's lack of playing a regular position in the field may have intitially been due to injuries. But when he did play (third base) he barely drove in more than he let in. He made Butch Huskey look like Brooks Robinson. (Welllll, maybe not quite that bad) Later