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They Suck Again - Orange Basketball 06-07
Centerfield Dec 06 2006 12:05 PM |
Dropped their second straight to a ranked opponent to fall to 7-2. I think I knew we might be in for a tough year with Gerry McNamara gone (never had much faith in the Nichols-Roberts-Watkins class). I had been hoping freshman Paul Harris and Eric Devendorf could step up, but from Boeheim's comments, it seems like Harris has a ways to go: "I laugh when people talk about him being our best player. He's not good enough to start for us right now. That's the facts. He doesn't know where he is on offense 99 percent of the time. He's still learning. He can be a good player." "He's going to make mistakes. He's over-dribbling the ball. That's how he played in high school and you have to learn in college when you can and when you can't. He hasn't learned that yet. He's got a long ways to go." "He's a work in progress. He can't shoot the ball . . . He still thinks he can make the next one. He's confident. I'll give him credit. If I was 1-for-13 (from 3 point range), I wouldn't be quite so confident that I was going to make the next one." So I'm thinking Paul Harris isn't exactly the next Carmelo.
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cooby Dec 06 2006 06:02 PM |
CF, they were 7-0 before and none of you guys even mentioned them!
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soupcan Dec 08 2006 12:40 PM |
Lulling the opposition into a false sense of security is what I call it.
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Methead Dec 08 2006 02:32 PM |
It's true. Harris is going to be a monster, but he's still learning. That play he made against OK State, driving the length of the court to finish with a dunk was pretty sweet though. I don't think it will take him long to adapt to the college game. This team is turning the ball over too much, and I don't really think they focus well or play as a team, other than short stretches of time. Devendorf and Wright it seems would both rather be scorers than point guards, and it affects their decision making. They're leaning heavily the three seniors, which would normally be a good thing, but it doesn't seem so with these particular guys. Nichols has improved a lot, but Roberts and Watkins are the same old players so far this year. And I'm sick of these double-digit deficits. So yeah, they're 7-2 but I think this particular team needed to face some real competition early in the year to wake them up.
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Methead Dec 15 2006 09:13 AM |
Apparently Gerry Macnamara has turned down a $200K contract from a Greek team to play with Bakersfield of the NBDL. He'll be paid $18K. [url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2696715[/url]
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soupcan Dec 15 2006 09:16 AM |
I saw that! How insane is he?
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Methead Dec 15 2006 09:31 AM |
I dunno. It wasn't as if he was playing much in Greece. I'd take the money and come to the US after the contract was expired, but that's me. Are the NBDL teams affiliated with specific NBA teams, or not? I mean at least this way he has the chance to sign a quick 10-day NBA contract and get some USA exposure. And hell, maybe he just hated living in Greece, crazy as that sounds to me.
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soupcan Dec 15 2006 09:37 AM |
I agree with you. Who cares about the playing time? Hang out in Greece for a year, collect $200K and come on over next year. Maybe he felt his best chance to showcase himself to the NBA was now but still, good money plus a year in Greece doesn't sould like too shabby a deal to me.
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Edgy DC Dec 15 2006 09:44 AM |
I imagine a lot more guys parlay their NBDL play into an NBA contract than their performance in foreign leagues. How many MLB managers in training wouldn't take a AAA job over a more lucrative and secure NCAA job, knowing that AAA is one step short of the big time. Even more analogous are the guys who grind it out in the International League instead of heading to a foreign baseball league and being paid more like stars.
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soupcan Dec 15 2006 09:47 AM |
I suppose but its only one year (more like half a year at this point) and a lot of money. Would it make that much of a difference to play it out over there and then do the NBDL thing next year? Its not like he wouldn't be able to find a team here willing to take him.
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Rockin' Doc Dec 15 2006 05:15 PM |
Apparently, McNamara wasn't an accounting major at Syracuse. Take the money, enjoy Greece, then come home to the US and chase your dream for peanuts.
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Centerfield Jan 04 2007 01:07 PM |
Big East portion of the schedule starts tonight. I guess it's time to find out how good this team actually is. I have my doubts, but sometimes Boeheim does wonders with teams that come in with low expectations.
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Nymr83 Jan 04 2007 05:43 PM |
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where else can one get paid big dollars to play baseball?
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Centerfield Jan 05 2007 10:14 AM |
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Course, this may not necessarily be one of those times...
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Methead Jan 05 2007 10:16 AM |
Pitt looks pretty good. Syracuse is in some trouble here... two players are hurt (Gorman, Roberts) and Mike Jones left the team. At one point last night, I believe they only had one guy (Rautins) available off the bench. Anything happens to Nichols, they're screwed.
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soupcan Jan 05 2007 04:39 PM |
But there's hope... From this week's Sports Illustrated Joined at the Hoop
When Neumann-Goretti (Philadelphia) guard Antonio "Scoop" Jardine dribbles on the wing, center Rick Jackson knows what to do. Without even exchanging a glance with Jardine, Jackson charges over the top, sets a screen, then rolls to the basket to receive one of Jardine's pinpoint passes for a layup. It's a chemistry two seniors can develop when they've been playing together almost daily for four years and spend almost every waking moment together. "That's our play," says Jardine. "We've got that one down cold." They are Neumann-Goretti's odd couple, Jardine a six-foot-nine chatterbox with a flashy dribble, Jackson an imposing 6-9 shot blocker with a quieter demeanor. Friends since meeting in the seventh grade on a neighborhood playground, Jardine and Jackson -- who live two blocks apart in crime-plagued South Philadelphia -- became inseparable after both enrolled in 2003 at Neumann-Goretti, a Catholic school near their homes. "We just clicked," says Jardine, who averaged 14 points and eight assists last season. "Anywhere you saw me, you saw Rick." Jardine initially showed the most promise, but by the end of their freshman year Jackson -- who came in at a pudgy 6-2 -- had sprouted to a lean 6-6 -- and was showing skills that would later make him one of the nation's top prospects. They also found that they played their best together. "We'd play two-on-two against seniors," says Jackson, who last year averaged 15 points and 12 rebounds. "And we'd kill them." So they made a pact to go to college together, a commitment that grew stronger as they led the Saints to back-to-back Philadelphia Catholic League titles. They bonded off the court too, especially after Jackson's beloved aunt, Laretta Thomas, died last July. (Jardine says he was at Jackson's house "every day," helping him cope.) Though both were recruited by numerous elite Division I schools, only Syracuse pursued them aggressively as a package, and that, says Neumann-Goretti coach Carl Arrigale, "was the only way to get them." Jardine and Jackson will room together at Syracuse -- "Rick can cook," says Jardine; "As long as Scoop doesn't hit me with pillows, we'll be fine," says Jackson -- but first they'll make a run at a school-record third league championship. Arrigale has high hopes. "I've seen guys get a scholarship and stop working," he says. "Not Scoop and Rick. That's just not in their nature."
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Methead Jan 05 2007 05:55 PM |
Yeah, next year's class is supposed to be the best in a long time. Another recruit, a highly-rated guard named Johnny Flynn, played on the same (state title winning) team as Paul Harris last year.
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Methead Jan 08 2007 11:53 AM |
Nice win at Marquette last evening.
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Centerfield Jan 10 2007 12:38 PM |
Freakin' Rutgers tonight.
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Centerfield Jan 10 2007 12:42 PM |
Meanwhile, GMac is Jamming for Bakersfield: http://www.bakersfield.com/136/story/93183.html
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Methead Jan 10 2007 01:00 PM |
Sweet... the ninth pick in the draft fouls out with 2 points, undrafted McNamara pours in 29.
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soupcan Jan 10 2007 03:21 PM |
Yes - Freakin' Rutgers tonight but at 9:00 not 7:00 or 8:00 which means I get to watch an entire game from start to finish for once! Freakin' 'Harry Potter and The Half Blood Prince keeps me busy til at least 8:30-9:45.
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Methead Jan 10 2007 09:13 PM |
Game was supposed to be on SNY, are we blacked out in CT? Rutgers screws us again.
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ScarletKnight41 Jan 10 2007 09:14 PM |
Don't blame Rutgers. Blame prime-time hogging Marquette and Connecticut. Once they get off the friggin' court then we can get to the good game!
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Methead Jan 10 2007 09:26 PM |
Nah, I've got a Mario Lemieux documentary on SNY here. edit : However, it's on ESPN Full Court, which you normally have to pay for, but this week happens to be FREE. How about that!
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ScarletKnight41 Jan 10 2007 09:32 PM |
Do you get ESPN Plus? Scan around and see whether you can find it.
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Methead Jan 10 2007 09:36 PM |
Wow, I do have it. Channel 445.
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ScarletKnight41 Jan 10 2007 09:40 PM |
Cool! And we finally get to the game, almost halfway through. Ugh!
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Methead Jan 10 2007 09:41 PM |
I rarely venture into 3-digit territory but I gotta remember channel 445.
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ScarletKnight41 Jan 10 2007 09:44 PM |
Don't remember it too hard - it'll probably be a different channel next time. The key is to obsessively scan every channel when there's a reasonable chance that a game you want too see is on somewhere.
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cooby Jan 10 2007 09:54 PM |
Now, that's determination
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ScarletKnight41 Jan 10 2007 09:57 PM |
Librarians are good at these things <g>
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Methead Jan 10 2007 10:00 PM |
Honestly, I didn't know I even had that many channels.
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soupcan Jan 10 2007 10:19 PM |
'Head - I've got it on SNY. It's that rinky-dink town you live in.
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ScarletKnight41 Jan 10 2007 11:04 PM |
It just wasn't Rutgers' night tonight. Well done Orange.
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Methead Jan 10 2007 11:23 PM |
That's strange, soup. That's 2 conference road wins in a row.
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Methead Jan 12 2007 09:39 AM |
[url=http://www.syracuse.com/poliquin/poststandard/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1152694598116760.xml&coll=1]Recognizing Rony Seikaly[/url] Cool article. I don't think they're retiring his number, but there's supposed to be some kind of ceremony tomorrow.
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soupcan Jan 12 2007 10:08 AM |
[url=http://www.suathletics.com/News/basketball/mbasket/2007/1/5/Seikaly1.7.06.asp?path=mbasket]This article says they are retiring his jersey.[/url]
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soupcan Jan 18 2007 10:35 PM |
To update you: -Last night the Orange blew a first half 19 point lead against the barely over .500 and winless in the Big East, Cincinnati Bearcats at home. Nevertheless they did recover and won the game by 1 point, helped out in no small way by a stoo-pid Cincy foul with like less than 30 seconds left in the game. -They have currently won 4 consecutive conference games and are in sole possession of second place with a 4-1 record (15-4 overall). - I believe that an editor at Sports Illustrated is sleeping with the AD at 'Cuse. There is yet another two column blurb in this weeks issue about a player going to central New York next year: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Greener Pastures After years of trial and sorrow, world traveler Donte' Greene finds himself in a Melo place
Basketball's his game, but before moving to Maryland in 2001, Donte' Greene bounced around the world like a knock-hockey puck. Born on an Air Force base in Germany (his mother, April, worked for the National Security Agency), the Towson Catholic senior has lived in Japan, Guam, Thailand, South Korea, Hawaii and Pennsylvania. He speaks some German and Japanese, yet his English can sound as if he's been channeling Don King: "Mr. Boeheim and I enjoy conversating and whatnot." Mr. Boeheim, of course, is Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim, who will showcase the 6'10", 220-pound forward's dazzling perimeter game next season. For now Greene is averaging 22.7 points, 12 rebounds, 4 assists and 2.5 blocks for the 15-3 Owls. Greene picked up hoops fundamentals from his mother, a former semipro player in England. She was his first coach and once let him draw up the final play of one of younger brother D'Metrique's games. "I freed him up in the corner, and he hit the winning shot," Greene says. "It's the high point of my life." The low point was when April died of an enlarged heart. Donte' was 13 years old. "I found her in bed and called 911," he recalls. "I was depressed for two years." He and D'Metrique moved from Hanover, Pa., to live with their father, Donald, in inner-city Baltimore. (Their parents divorced when Donte' was six.) That's when the fast-growing Greene began to focus more on basketball and less on baseball, his favorite sport while growing up in Japan. "The basketball transiteration was tough," he says. "I was 6'4" but Ethiopian-marathon-runner skinny, and players in Baltimore were very physical." The only private school that recruited Greene was Towson Catholic, which another late-bloomer, Carmelo Anthony, had attended for three years. Greene became a starter midway through his freshman season. During the summers he has played on Team Melo, the Anthony-sponsored team that won the AAU under-16 national championship two years ago -- with Greene making the all-tournament team. By his junior year he was such a hot college prospect that he changed his text-messaging plan to unlimited. Now he is following Anthony's trail to Syracuse. "Melo and I are friends," reports Greene, "but during the NBA season we don't conversate much." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -Lastly, on page 73 of the same magazine at the bottom of the 'Inside College Basketball' column there is this nugget: Demetris Nichols is the best player in the Big East. Syracuse's 6'8" senior forward was leading the league in scoring (18.9 points a game) through Sunday and was fourth in three-point shooting (47.1%) and 11th in blocks (1.39). -- Seth Davis
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Methead Jan 19 2007 06:28 AM |
Yeah, Donte Green is supposed to be a good one, but he should stop using the word "conversate". Anyone going to the St. John's game Sunday?
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Methead Jan 23 2007 09:55 AM |
Well... I have to say, it was fun going to the Garden and watching SU play live and in person. The last game I actually attended was 12/30/92 at the Dome, a heartbreaking one-point loss to Boston College. Anyway, this particular loss to St. John's was even worse, since they played like crap the entire game. Both teams did, actually, although St. John's sacked up and made the big shots at the end when they had to. Without Devendorf, it would have been a blowout. I guess that means the last time I attended a Syracuse win was 1990 or so!
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Methead Jan 23 2007 09:59 AM |
This site rules, BTW. http://www.orangehoops.org/
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soupcan Jan 23 2007 10:06 AM |
Thanks 'Head. My procrastination will be even more enjoyable now! On another note, what do hear about the Devendorf/Boeheim mini-feud? Someone asked me about it yesterday and I knew nothing about it. Are you aware of any friction? Supposedly it stemmed from an incident at the St. John's game.
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Methead Jan 23 2007 10:15 AM |
I wasn't really aware of anything. Devendorf was mouthing off to some of the St. John's players during his little run in the 2nd half. The Syracuse paper said he made an obscene gesture toward some fans too. I said to my buddy after the game, if Devendorf played for Duke, everyone in the country would hate him.
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Centerfield Jan 25 2007 11:22 AM |
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Great site. It could use a few pictures though.
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Methead Jan 29 2007 12:18 PM |
Horrible loss at Louisville on Saturday. They went without a field goal over the final 9 minutes... allowing Pitino's team to go on a 24-4 run. It's maddening.
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Centerfield Jan 29 2007 02:21 PM |
When GMac left, I wondered, "Who will make that basket when the team really needs one?" I guess the answer to that question is "no one".
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Centerfield Jan 31 2007 10:22 AM |
I'm starting to think this team is not very good.
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Methead Jan 31 2007 10:36 AM |
Tailspin!
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soupcan Jan 31 2007 10:44 AM |
Yup.
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Methead Feb 12 2007 03:13 PM |
Nichols exploded for 37 points yesterday in a near-loss to St. John's. Watkins might have saved the game in the final minute with his two big rebounds off missed free throws.
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Methead Feb 26 2007 09:14 PM |
CUSE I love it when they beat Georgetown... every time it happens.
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soupcan Feb 26 2007 09:39 PM |
'EWING CAN'T READ THIS SIGN!' Beating the Hoyas is the bestest! Unfortunately I didn't see one minute of this game. 72-58! They killed 'em!
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Centerfield Feb 27 2007 10:49 AM |
I have never really liked this year's senior class. In a way, I felt like their failure to develop robbed GMac and Warrick of their shot to be a legitimate Final Four contender after Melo left. And even throughout most of their senior year, they've done little to impress me. But with that win over Georgetown last night, I'm willing to give them their due. What a fantastic game to watch...I swear, it felt like the 1980's. Great win. In a season I thought would be a disappointment, they are headed to the NCAA's, and they beat Georgetown and beat UConn. I'll take that. By the way, how old did that game make you feel? John Thompson's son, Leo Rautins' son, Patrick Ewing's son...I guess it was only fitting that I watched part of the game with my own son.
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Edgy DC Feb 27 2007 11:04 AM |
What's wrong wtih Chris Mullin? Can't he procreate? John Pinone? Danny Callandrilo? Dwayne McClain? Get with the program.
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soupcan Feb 27 2007 11:09 AM |
The 'EWING CAN'T READ THIS SIGN!' comment was because that was a memory of my first SU-G'Town game at the Dome in 1983. Oranges thrown on the court, obscenities shouted as the visiting team is introduced. Ahhhh, memories. I'd love SU to win the Big East tourney this year if only to tie UConn and Georgetown at 6 titles apiece. The Orange have an all-time winning record against both of those teams (and St. John's, and Pitt and 'Nova) so matching them in Big East titles would be very satisfying.
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soupcan Feb 27 2007 11:10 AM |
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Mullins' brother played for SJU, no? And I think there was another Pinone that played at 'Nova.
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Edgy DC Feb 27 2007 11:17 AM |
Yeah, but a couple of jive-assed little brothers don't make for no second generaton.
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Methead Feb 27 2007 11:26 AM |
Leo Rautins' kid is 21 for his last 36 from beyond the arc. And he plays defense too.
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Centerfield Mar 02 2007 02:11 PM |
This is cool: http://www.syracuse.com/multimedia/subblegacy/
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soupcan Mar 04 2007 02:28 PM |
Villanova 78 "We have shot the ball better from the 3-point line the last few games," said Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim. "Obviously, we didn't shoot it as well tonight, but that can happen." 'Cuse is the #5 seed in the Big East tournament and it looks like a first round matchup against DePaul. OE: Nope, I'm wrong - first round matchup vs. UConn, Wednesday at 2:30.
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Methead Mar 05 2007 09:50 AM |
Well, they did sink three in a row at the end to make the score a little more respectable. They almost pulled off a miraculous win, after a technical foul against Nova with 3 seconds left gave SU 2 shots and the ball. edit: I know UConn's not that great this year, but I don't like seeing them in round 1.
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soupcan Mar 05 2007 10:09 AM |
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I'm with you there.
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Centerfield Mar 05 2007 10:16 AM |
I think they're in already, but one more win would make me a lot more comfortable.
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soupcan Mar 05 2007 10:21 AM |
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And I'm with you there.
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soupcan Mar 06 2007 12:20 PM |
Blast from the past... I think this happened in the fall of '87. I have no memory of it whatsoever.
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Centerfield Mar 06 2007 01:58 PM |
Derek Brower versus a wussy Ivy Leaguer. I'll take that bet any day. Is it ok to root against your alma mater in a fight? What if they punch like a girl?
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Methead Mar 06 2007 02:06 PM |
"Brower : Flying Ears Of Fury". Now playing at a theater near you.
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Centerfield Mar 07 2007 03:26 PM |
32-31 UConn. Three and change left in the first half.
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soupcan Mar 07 2007 03:41 PM |
38-36 UConn at the half.
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Centerfield Mar 07 2007 04:38 PM |
Good guys up 16. 4 minutes left.
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Methead Mar 07 2007 04:50 PM |
Put it in the books! 78-65 Orange. Notre Dame tomorrow... let's see if they can hold 'em under 103 points this time.
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Farmer Ted Mar 07 2007 04:54 PM |
Anyone have pics of those fanciful new unis the Orange are sporting?
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Methead Mar 07 2007 05:26 PM |
They're terrible. They say "ORANGE" across the front. I'll try to hunt down a pic. edit : for now, there's a pic on the syracuse.com homepage.
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Centerfield Mar 07 2007 09:54 PM |
Great win. Sunday should be a lot less stressful now.
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soupcan Mar 08 2007 10:19 AM |
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Nike Unveils Fitted Uniforms For Elite Basketball Schools
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Frayed Knot Mar 08 2007 10:31 AM |
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Unfuckinbelievable!!
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Methead Mar 08 2007 01:01 PM |
Eh, I guess the new unis aren't THAT bad. The shorts are cool. I just hate that it says "ORANGE" on the front. The traditionalist in me thinks it should just say the school's name and that's it. And yeah, that Lebron James thing is ridiculous.
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soupcan Mar 08 2007 02:57 PM |
Is the 'Cuse - ND game on local radio? OE: got it 1050AM
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Centerfield Mar 08 2007 03:29 PM |
I don't love the new jerseys, but I hated the ones they just had. I liked the ones they had in 2003.
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Centerfield Mar 08 2007 04:42 PM |
Not looking good. Down 7 with 4 minutes left.
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soupcan Mar 08 2007 04:47 PM |
Orange get peeled. Time to root against Georgetown.
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Methead Mar 08 2007 04:49 PM |
They Suck (from the free throw line) Again - Orange Basketball 06-07
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Methead Mar 11 2007 07:01 PM |
Wow. Time to go and win the NIT, I guess.
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Rockin' Doc Mar 11 2007 09:11 PM |
I know it's small consolation, but I think Syracuse got hosed by the selection committee. I think Syracuse is one of the teams that should have been in the NCAA's. I thought for sure that their win over Georgetown would have sealed the deal for them.
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soupcan Mar 11 2007 11:08 PM |
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You and me both, Doc. The old saying is: Win the NIT and show the selection committee they were wrong.
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MFS62 Mar 12 2007 07:31 AM |
Two schools I've attended on a post-graduate level made it: Later
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soupcan Mar 12 2007 09:11 AM |
[url=http://images.sportsline.com/images/madness/2007/viewable_nit.gif?241]This says it all.[/url]
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Methead Mar 12 2007 10:46 AM |
I assume they seed the teams in the NIT, but I don't see any numbers next to those names. There are a lot of good teams in there, too. edit : #1 seeds went to West Virginia, Clemson, Air Force, Mississipi State. Syracuse is a #2.
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Centerfield Mar 12 2007 04:08 PM |
I'm boycotting the NCAA tournament. March Madness is banned in my house.
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soupcan Mar 12 2007 04:50 PM |
Whoo-Hooo! Let's get psyched! It's March Mildness Time Bay-beeeeee!!!!
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Nymr83 Mar 12 2007 05:10 PM |
You'd better be careful that the FBI doesn't get their hands on your NIT bracket, picking Fresno State to beat Air Force could be considered un-patriotic!
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soupcan Mar 15 2007 01:29 PM |
My Syracuse - Marist dream final is still alive after the first round.
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Centerfield Mar 15 2007 02:55 PM |
It was good to see the fans get out and support their team last night. And good of the team to show up and avoid a letdown. Let's win this damn thing.
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Methead Mar 20 2007 09:53 AM |
SU rolls into the Discrete Eight with a convincing win over San Diego State. Over 26000 people showed up, breaking the NIT attendance record. They had the senior walk-ons on the floor in the final couple minutes for their final Dome game. On the road tomorrow at Clemson.
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Centerfield Mar 20 2007 05:43 PM |
I'm proud of this team. It's small consolation, but Syracuse is still playing while ND, Villanova, Marquette and Louisville are all done for the season.
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Methead Mar 21 2007 09:48 PM |
Gaaaaaaaah! How the hell is Josh Wright taking that last shot. Jesus. He's the 4th best option on the floor. I understand you want to leave time for a rebound, but you don't have to guarantee one. Anyway. I never thought they'd be anywhere close, down 17 with 11 minutes left. Very entertaining (yet frustrating) comeback... I was on the edge of the couch the whole time.
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soupcan Mar 21 2007 10:23 PM |
Yeah. Good last 10 minutes. Next few years should be good.
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Methead Mar 26 2007 03:53 PM |
SU's [url=http://www.syracuse.com/articles/orangebasketball/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1174813429318070.xml&coll=1]Elite Eight[/url] to face off! edit - of course, I have no idea how he plans to actually do this... unless it comes down to opinion.
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Centerfield Mar 26 2007 05:00 PM |
2003 wins. Duh. This year was much more fun than I expected it to be. I hope next year's recruiting class lives up to the hype.
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Methead Mar 26 2007 05:35 PM |
Yeah... when I started reading the article, I had high hopes that he was planning some sort of Diamond Mind style simulation. I guess that's not happening.
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soupcan Mar 27 2007 10:25 AM |
As per CF - 'duh' 1. 2003 The rest of them you can throw up in any random order you want.
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A Boy Named Seo Apr 01 2007 12:05 AM |
Whoever this Jason Hart guy from Syracuse is, he's been a Godsend to the Clippers.
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Methead Apr 02 2007 09:57 AM |
Cool, he's still kicking around? He was a pretty good guard at SU. Here are his [url=http://www.orangehoops.org/JHart.htm]stats from his college days...[/url]
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