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Yancy Street Gang Dec 20 2006 09:06 PM

From the Associated Press: ]NEW YORK (AP) -- A day after dining with Barry Zito, New York Mets officials met Wednesday with another free-agent pitcher, Jeff Suppan.

Rockin' Doc Dec 20 2006 09:58 PM

The Mets brass went from prime rib to bologna in one day's time.

KC Dec 20 2006 10:05 PM

Thanks for not calling the former fillet mignon ... he's prime rib at best, and probably a little overdone. I'm getting a little tired of the Zito or bust thing.

cooby Dec 20 2006 10:07 PM

Well, Zito reminds me of ziti, which makes me hungry, and Suppan always reminded me of ramen noodles, which makes me hungry, now you guys are comparing them to hunks of meat. I think I need a snack.

patona314 Dec 20 2006 10:17 PM

i don't see much difference between suppan and trachsell. why not save some cash and sign the stevemeister for 1 yr 500k. i'm actually surprised that no one has shown any interest in a '06 15 game winner.

Edgy DC Dec 20 2006 10:40 PM

patona314 wrote: i don't see much difference between suppan and trachsell. Well, Suppan really hurt us in them playoffs. Of course, so did Trachsel. But I don't want anyone making decisions based on win totals. I imagine someone has shown interest in Trachsel.

iramets Dec 20 2006 10:50 PM

It's funny, I happened this afternoon to watch the entire game (Game 3, I think) of this year's playoffs where Suppan hooked up with Trachsel, and shut the Mets out and hit a HR and...omigawd, what a mess. The worst moment came early when Shawn Greeen tried to shoestring a catch in RF with two outs, and it bounced off his fucking neck and that was pretty much it. Not a pretty picture by any means. Plus he has very funny-looking ears.

Nymr83 Dec 21 2006 12:50 AM

Suppan? no thank you. there are enough unknown young guys on this roster that there is no need to add an unknown old guy, if you can't get Zito or someone of similiar ability just stick with what you have.

Yancy Street Gang Dec 21 2006 09:14 AM

Suppan turns 32 next month. He may not be young but I wouldn't call him "old" either. He's four years (and a couple of months) younger than Trachsel, so he has that advantage over Steve as well as a much better 2006 post-season. I'd rather have Zito than Suppan. But I prefer Suppan (despite his position on stem cells) over Trachsel or sticking with what we currently have.

Frayed Knot Dec 21 2006 09:20 AM

No harm in talking to the guy while you're out there and there does need to be some sort of "Plan B" if Lord Barry of Zito decides to ply his trade elsewhere. But, the thing is, if they are actually Tim Leary about going for a 4th, 5th, or 6th year for Zito (as opposed to it being a negotiating ploy) then you have to wonder what's the point since there's every indication that the Suppan's of the world (Meche, Lilly, Eaton, etc) have had no problem commanding 3-to-5 year deals.

Yancy Street Gang Dec 21 2006 09:27 AM

I certainly hope they're not leary of the fourth year. I think they can get it done by guaranteeing five years and offering an option on a sixth. Hopefully the Mets will be willing to do that.

smg58 Dec 21 2006 03:09 PM

Trachsel will sign for a bit more than 500K in this market. I wish him well but don't want him back. I don't understand the demand for pitchers like Suppan when a few million more dollars will get you quality instead of mediocrity. People have said that Suppan will get 10 or 11 million a year, but I'm betting at least 12. The postseason has to guarantee him more money than Ted Lilly or Gil Meche.

Edgy DC Dec 21 2006 03:16 PM

It maybe should, but not necessarily. It may be the teams willing to go that high for such pitchers are now out of the market.

Yancy Street Gang Dec 21 2006 03:18 PM

The only rumor I've heard about Trachsel is that the Twins are considering him. I didn't hear anything about years and dollars. You might be able to get Suppan for $36 million over three years. And Zito might cost $85 million over five. If that's true, then there's a real difference in dollars between landing Suppan and landing Zito. Which would be why some teams would see Suppan as a viable alternative.

Vic Sage Dec 21 2006 03:22 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: .... If that's true, then there's a real difference in dollars between landing Suppan and landing Zito. Which would be why some teams would see Suppan as a viable alternative. lets just hope the Mets aren't one of those teams.

Yancy Street Gang Dec 21 2006 03:48 PM

I hope that, at this point anyway, the chats with Suppan are just a signal to Boras that the Mets have other options. If Zito goes to Texas, then it's a different story and they might want to really target Suppan if he's the best remaining option. Mulder's out of the picture now, isn't he?

Yancy Street Gang Dec 21 2006 08:05 PM

="MLB.com"] Brewers offer Suppan four-year deal 12/21/2006 7:44 PM ET By Adam McCalvy / MLB.com MILWAUKEE -- Jeff Suppan's agent says the veteran right-hander is just as interested in the Brewers as the Brewers are in him. But that does not mean Suppan is ready to sign on the dotted line. The team submitted a four-year contract offer in writing on Wednesday, a day after general manager Doug Melvin, manager Ned Yost and principal owner Mark Attanasio hosted Suppan and agent Scott Leventhal at Attanasio's Los Angeles home. The men wined, dined and discussed a variety of topics for five hours. "One of the reasons for the meeting with Doug, Ned and Mark was to sit down with 'Soup' and gauge his interest level," said Leventhal, who was also present. "Soup's interest could not be more sincere." The Brewers were apparently convinced of that. Melvin met again with Leventhal on Wednesday and made the formal offer. But that does not mean Suppan is ready to sign just yet. A number of teams are reportedly in the running for the right-hander's services, some as a fallback in case they cannot sign free agent left-hander Barry Zito. The Mets are one of at least two teams showing interest in both Zito and Suppan, and Mets officials met with Leventhal and Suppan later Wednesday. According to various media reports Thursday, New York has also submitted a four-year offer. "Our interest level is serious and sincere, and I hope they respect that," Melvin said. "He's not a fallback guy for us. We've stepped up and made him our No. 1 guy." The fact Zito is still available could affect the timing of a deal for Suppan, who would be wise to leave the door open to as many offers as possible. Given the current market for pitching, Suppan, who will turn 32 on Jan. 2, will likely command a per-season salary of more than $10 million. Sheets, who is in the middle of a four-year, $38.5 million contract, is Milwaukee's only current player earning eight digits. Leventhal wouldn't say whether Suppan would wait for Zito to sign before making a decision. He also refused to put a deadline on negotiations. "I don't have a crystal ball, so I don't know what the timetable will be," he said. Suppan is 44-26 with a 3.95 ERA over the past three seasons with the St. Louis Cardinals. He posted double-digit win totals in each of the last four seasons and is 5-0 with a 1.76 ERA in seven career starts at Miller Park. Suppan boosted his own value during the Cardinals' run to the World Series, and he is 5-2 with a 3.00 ERA in nine postseason starts over the last three seasons with St. Louis. "We're in an information-gathering stage [with] a few offers on the table and more to come," Leventhal said. "Before Soup and [his wife] Dana make a decision, they want to have all of the information that's available." Suppan would join a Milwaukee starting rotation with Ben Sheets, Chris Capuano, Dave Bush and Claudio Vargas. If they are unsuccessful in their bid for Suppan, the Brewers will likely go with 23-year-old right-hander Carlos Villanueva. Milwaukee is an intriguing destination, Leventhal said, and not just because of Suppan's recent success there. "When you take a look at the young guys on that pitching staff and that team, you feel that they are on the cusp of some big things to come," Leventhal said. "They suffered a lot of injuries last year, and you wonder without those injuries, what would have happened?"

Nymr83 Dec 21 2006 10:28 PM

if New york has submitted a 4 year offer I hope it is a 4 year offer to serve as the New Orleans pitching coach.

patona314 Dec 21 2006 10:45 PM

Nymr83 wrote: if New york has submitted a 4 year offer I hope it is a 4 year offer to serve as the New Orleans pitching coach. agreed, the brewers can have him

patona314 Dec 21 2006 10:53 PM

="Yancy Street Gang"]I hope that, at this point anyway, the chats with Suppan are just a signal to Boras that the Mets have other options. If Zito goes to Texas, then it's a different story and they might want to really target Suppan if he's the best remaining option. Mulder's out of the picture now, isn't he? i disagree. if zito goes somewhere else, we must be like oakland,, which means... [URL=http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=b00005o5av01lzzzzzzzpu8.gif][/URL] baptism by fire baby...

Edgy DC Dec 21 2006 11:33 PM

And we'll just hope the team isn't as awful and ill-conceived and contemptuous of their audience as that film was.

patona314 Dec 21 2006 11:37 PM

it was a terrible movie, just the best i could find quickly. i'll stick with the premise though.

Nymr83 Dec 22 2006 12:07 AM

at second glance his numbers aren't as bad as i thought, but i'd still never offer him 4 years.

SteveJRogers Dec 22 2006 11:00 PM

Edgy DC wrote: And we'll just hope the team isn't as awful and ill-conceived and contemptuous of their audience as that film was. Wow, I guess I'm the only one that thought it and it's sequel were nice pop-corn westerns of the late 80's and early 90's. I mean thats the reason I dragged out "Blaze of Glory" for one of the IGTs "Contemptuous of their audience?" Where do you get that? Seemed like it was an 80's Brat Pack movie set in the West, didn't see it as "Oh we are going to target the classic Western fan base and spit in their face with this one" or anything

Edgy DC Dec 23 2006 12:22 AM

SteveJRogers wrote: "Contemptuous of their audience?" Where do you get that? Seemed like it was an 80's Brat Pack movie set in the West, didn't see it as "Oh we are going to target the classic Western fan base and spit in their face with this one" or anything It was an 80's Brat Pack movie set in the West.

Edgy DC Dec 23 2006 12:24 AM

SteveJRogers wrote: I mean thats the reason I dragged out "Blaze of Glory" for one of the IGTs And I'm going to ask you not to do that again.

SteveJRogers Dec 23 2006 12:30 AM

So I'm guessing "Keep The Faith" is out as well?

SteveJRogers Dec 23 2006 12:32 AM

Edgy DC wrote: ="SteveJRogers"]"Contemptuous of their audience?" Where do you get that? Seemed like it was an 80's Brat Pack movie set in the West, didn't see it as "Oh we are going to target the classic Western fan base and spit in their face with this one" or anything It was an 80's Brat Pack movie set in the West. Hence why I'm not getting why you said "Contemptuous of their audience"

Edgy DC Dec 23 2006 12:37 AM

It seems obvious. The Brat Pack stopped being actors and started being a brand when they accepted being billed as such. Hence (as you say), the film wasn't really a film at all, but an exercise in brand expansion.

SteveJRogers Dec 23 2006 01:26 AM

Then I guess it comes down to "Did you like those particular group of actors or not" What LaBama is the "Brat Pack's Take On The Day The Music Died"?

Edgy DC Dec 23 2006 03:33 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: Then I guess it comes down to "Did you like those particular group of actors or not" Not really. SteveJRogers wrote: What LaBama is the "Brat Pack's Take On The Day The Music Died"? I don't get what this question means.

SteveJRogers Dec 23 2006 03:42 PM

Edgy DC wrote: ="SteveJRogers"]Then I guess it comes down to "Did you like those particular group of actors or not" Not really. If you don't like seeing Emilio Estevez, Charlie Sheen, Keifer Sutherland, Lou Diamond Phillips and/or Christian Slater it doesn't matter that they are being HS teens or doing a loose interpretation of historical figures ] ="SteveJRogers"]What LaBama is the "Brat Pack's Take On The Day The Music Died"? I don't get what this question means. Lou Diamond Phillips as Richie Valens. Basically you are dismissing a movie based on who was in it, saying that it was "Contemptuous of their audience" then you can say the same about La Bamba (yes I screwed up the spelling)

Edgy DC Dec 23 2006 10:50 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: If you don't like seeing Emilio Estevez, Charlie Sheen, Keifer Sutherland, Lou Diamond Phillips and/or Christian Slater it doesn't matter that they are being HS teens or doing a loose interpretation of historical figures I didn't say I did or didn't like them. SteveJRogers wrote: Lou Diamond Phillips as Richie Valens. Basically you are dismissing a movie based on who was in it, saying that it was "Contemptuous of their audience" then you can say the same about La Bamba (yes I screwed up the spelling) You screwed up a lot more than that. No, I'm not saying this. Your willingness to misread is maddening. Christ, doesn't the double-entendre title scream that the film is cynical marketing ploy aimed at teenage girls and gay men?

Nymr83 Dec 24 2006 02:11 AM

its been 10 posts since Jeff Suppan was mentioned in the "Suppan" thread

iramets Dec 24 2006 06:36 AM

Seems like more.

Edgy DC Dec 24 2006 08:11 AM

Nymr83 wrote: its been 10 posts since Jeff Suppan was mentioned in the "Suppan" thread Very sorry for my five or so.

metsmarathon Dec 24 2006 10:13 AM

i've always wondered myself just how much of history is distorted in those young guns movies.... the movies themselves were fairly entertaining, though certainly not great movies.

Yancy Street Gang Dec 24 2006 11:32 AM

Namor's attempt to get this thread back on track doesn't seem to be working.

metsmarathon Dec 24 2006 01:30 PM

i like screwing up the works way more than i like the idea of jeff suppan as a zito consolation. but i'd certainly take him instead of steve trachsel. or, i think, any of the other remaining free agent pitchers. speaking of which, and getting way off track... why arent the mets mentioned as a future home for mark mulder anymore? was there a news story that i missed?

Rockin' Doc Dec 24 2006 05:06 PM

I don't want Suppan as a consoilation prize in the Zito sweepstakes. I prefer to think of him as possible insurance upon the Mets winning the Zito derby. I'm okay with Suppan as our #3 or #4 starter, I just don't want Glavine to be counted on as our #1. The Mets need Zito, or they need to pull of a big trade for a proven front of the rotation pitcher. Suppan's possible signing should be considered in addition to acquiring a front line starter, not instead of doing so.

DocTee Dec 24 2006 05:56 PM

Suppan to Milwaukee for four years-- looks like Boras has us over hte proverbial barrel, given the lack of arms. With the FA field all but barren and likely trading partners (ChiSox) dwindling, we need to get this deal done.

SteveJRogers Dec 24 2006 08:08 PM

Edgy DC wrote: ="Nymr83"]its been 10 posts since Jeff Suppan was mentioned in the "Suppan" thread Very sorry for my five or so. Ditto here, should have spun it off in the Film Folder.

Frayed Knot Dec 24 2006 08:56 PM

Nothing wrong with threads going off on tangents. Suppan's deal is 4yrs @ $42mil - which (IIRC) was exactly what we gave Kevin Appier to be a sort of consolation prize after Hampton left to take the REALLY big money. It's instructive, perhaps, to remember that Appier turned out to be nowhere near worth the money in the long run - even as he was only here for the short run. He, of course, begat Mo Vaughn in a contract-for-contract swap and even though Appier was part of the Angels WS team the following year, they wound up cutting him in the midst of his 2nd year there setting a record for money owed to a released player in the process. We, at least, got insurance relief for much of the bill for big Mo's last season. Of course it might also be instructive to remember that the main prize we 'lost out' on didn't turn out to be worth the money either.

Edgy DC Dec 24 2006 11:08 PM

Yeah, screw Boras's barrell. If they like the price, pay it. Else walk away and be OK with it.

iramets Dec 25 2006 12:59 AM

Either way, God's in his heaven, and all's right with the world. Nothing like declining to think. If the Mets pull the trigger on Boras's deal, that 's terrific, they get a great pitcher, and if they don't, well, just look at the heaps of money they just saved. Either way, they're geniuses.