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Edgy DC
Jan 02 2007 11:10 AM

No, this isn't another thread about Mike Vail's car dealership or Teddy Martinez's baseball camp. This is the thread where we figure out where our 2006 Mets have fallen into the team pantheon.

I've been updating the master ranking list based on our current consensus for 2006, as posted by Frayed Knot. Though it's not final, I needed to move along, and reposition some of the rankings.

Well, I tell you, there's been some movement. (Three guys went backwards!) How much movement? You tell me, by guessing the highest-ranked guy each of these ranked Mets passed this season on the all-time list.

30 - Carlos Beltran. Alpha-Carlos' difficult 2005 left him ranked as the 159th most accomplished Met, just ahead of Tommy Davis. He made huge strides this year. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

29 - Reyes. Baby, though he may be, Jose was the fourth highest ranked Met, at 93rd, going into this season, a little better than Dennis Freakin' Cook. He's moved up. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

28 - Wright. He started the season ranked 85, proving beyond all doubt that he was a better Met than Terry Leach. This season, the fans chanted MVP. The team locked him up for several years. Much ado about nothing? Maybe. You (and history) decide when you tell me whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

27 - Delgado. Beta-Carlos should be climibing into the upper echelons in his second Metly season. Instead, we're measuring where he has debuted. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006? (Hint: he has passed Wilson Delgado to become our highest ranked Delgado.

26 - Tom Glavine. Tom opened the season as our second-highest ranked active Met (61st -- Gregg Jefferies was 62nd), and his good season helped him pass active leader Steve Trachsel sometime this summer. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

25 - LoDuca. It's his first year. You love him. You hate him. All the girlies wanna date him. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

24 - Wagner. Another debut, and it's so hard to rank a closer. But whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

23 - Valentin. Like Delgado, he has passed his namesake Jon to become the highest ranking Delgado Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

22 - Chavez. History will show that he is and will remain the highest ranking Endy ever. But whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

21 - Heilman. If you thought Aaron was a lesser Met than Al Luplow, 2005 put that notion to rest, as Aaron finished that season ranked 213th, a notch ahead of Al. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

20 - Pedro. A glorious debut season in 2005 had Pedro ranked 123rd, surpassing in one season the extended Met legacy of Kevin Elster. This season, the glory was limited to the spring, but whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

19 - Maine. Throw-in, my ass. A sweet Met debut from Vacationland. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

18 - OHernandez. Another debut. Where has his legacy positioned him. Oh, where? Is he our top Cuban pitcher ever? Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

17 - Sanchez. A wonderful partial season is a tough thing to judge for this 2006 debutante. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

16 - Feliciano. The world's only three-time Met opened the season in un-esteemed company, ranked 386th, just ahead of the unpleasant memory of Miguel Cairo. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

15 - Bradford. What a season for the knuckle-scraper, even if it didn't put him on the top of the 2006 rankees in his debut season. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

14 - Nady. Traded. Jaded. Still he left a legacy. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

13 - Oliver. Garbage innings mean contract winnings for yet another debutante. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

12 - Trachsel. A sordid tale here, as Steve Trachsel opened the season as the highest ranked active Met, just ahead of Dave Magadan at 51st, will be unable to leave the team with that title. Still he moved up. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

11 - Floyd. Actually, this is a sadder fuckin' case. Having finished his third injury-shortened season in four Met years, Cliff Floyd --- who opened 2006 ahead of Hall of Fame ballottee Bret Sabehagen in 57th place among Met legacies, becomes the only highly ranked player to move downward on our list in 2006, a remarkable achievement on a 45-year-old team. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

10 - Green. is Shawn is a in a private race with his fellow Jewish Met legacies? I don't know. And after his tepid debut, does it matter? Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

9 - Franco. Julio is not about to become the highest ranking Franco, not unless he plays to 70, but he is the highest ranked 48-year-old Met after an inspired and inspiring debut. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

8 - Mota. Bean Piazza, Do 'roids. Get contract. What a country. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

7 - Perez. Oh, what a season for debutantes. This one may make a bold statement in 2007. But whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

6 - Bannister. One more. But he's gone, Daddy, gone. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

5 - Milledge. Will Lastings be Nextings, and increase his small 2005 ranking, or will he join Terrence Long, Alex Escobar, and Preston Wilson as centerfield prospects who debut with the Mets and establish themselves elsewhere. More importantly, whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

4 - Woodward. A solid 2005 put him as the 358th ranked Met, ahead of 1979's Jerry Morales. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

3 - Soler. A longer journey to the US got less note than El Duque, probably because the lousy Mets publicists won't pull the same overtime as the class Yankee squad. He finally debuted. But where? Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

1.5 - Castro. Speaking of Cubans, here's another case of somebody --- after sitting at 262, a spot ahead of Seaver-bait Charlie Puleo --- going backward while still participating. My word. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

1.5 - R Hernandez. This two-timer put himself at 197th setting up Braden Looper in 2005 (often for failure), ahead of fellow one-year wonder Kevin Mitchell. He returned, but too late to stop his backslide in this fine season. Whom has he positioned himself on top of after 2006?

Edgy DC
Jan 02 2007 01:24 PM

Just, you know, not everybody at once.

Typically stupid idea of launching by me, so I'll just fill in the blanks.

Beltran (30) has gone from 159th to 64th, slotting ahead of Gregg Jefferies and behind Skip Lockwood.

Reyes (29) has gone from 93rd to 51st, slotting ahead of Robin Ventura and behind teammate David Wright.

Wright (28) has gone from 84th to 50th, slotting ahead of Jose Reyes (obviously) and behind teammate Gary Gentry.

Delgado (27) debuts at 119th, slotting ahead of Bruce Boisclaiir and behind teammate Aaron Heilman.

Glavine (26) has gone from 61st to 41st, slotting ahead of Lenny Dykstra) and behind Craig Swan.

Lo Duca (25) has debuted at 133rd, slotting ahead of Ed Charles and behind Harry Parker.

Wagner (24) has debuted at 144th, slotting ahead of Braden Looper (!) and behind Mackey Sasser.

Valentin (23) has debuted at 158th, slotting ahead of Mr. Sparkle and behind Jeff Reardon (another member of the all-depression team).

Chavez (22) has debuted at 165th, slotting ahead of Tommy Davis and behind Matt Franco.

Aaron Heilman (21) has climbed from 213th to 118th, slotting ahead of teammate Carlos Delgado and behand Alejandro Peça (porn name: Alejandro Peçis).

Pedro Martinez (20) has climbed from 123rd to 85th, slotting ahead of Doug Sisk and behind Pete Falcone.

Maine (19) has debuted at 198th, slotting ahead of Kevin Kobel and behind Tim Foli.

El Duque (18) has debuted at 212th, slotting ahead of Larry Elliott (who had just the bluest eyes) and behind Ed Bressoud.

Sanchez (17) has debuted at 222ndth, slotting ahead of Al Luplow and behind Ken Sanders.

Feliciano (16) has climbed from 386th to 217th, slotting ahead of Hall of Famer Duke Snider and behind Mark Guthrie.

Bradford (15) has debuted at 255th, slotting ahead of Dave Marshall and behind Grant Roberts' bong.

Nady (14) has debuted at 272nd, slotting ahead of Charlie Puleo and behind teammate Ramon Castro.

Oliver (13) has debuted at 289th, slotting ahead of Tim Bogar and behind Daryl Hamilton.

Trachsel (12) has climbed from 51st to 45th, slotting ahead of George Foster and behind Jeff Kent.

Floyd (10) has, as I mentioned, sadly dropped, from 57th to 59th, slotting ahead of between two nutty righthanded reliever, ahead of Turk Wendell and behind Neil Allen.

Oliver (9) has debuted at 343rd, slotting ahead of Don Shaw and behind Gary Kroll.

Mota (8) has debuted at 383rd, slotting ahead of Dave Schneck and behind Hal Reniff.

Perez (7) has debuted at 399th, slotting ahead of Matt Ginter and behind teammate Darrin Jackson.

Bannister (6) has debuted at 420th, slotting ahead of Mel Rojas and behind Tim Leary.

Milledge (5) has debuted at 448th, slotting ahead of Allen Watson and behind Jaime Cerda.

Woodward (4) has climbed from 358th to 345th, slotting ahead of pitcher Mike Marshall and behind Don Shaw.

Soler (3) has debuted at 483th, slotting ahead of Tommy Herr (who perhaps should never have been a Met) and behind Juan Berenger (who perhaps should never not have been one).

Roberto Hernandez (1.5) has fallen from 197th to 203rd, slotting ahead of Tom Gorman and behind Mike Scott.

Ramon Castro (1.5) has also backslid, from 271st to 261st, slotting ahead of teammate Xavier Nady and behind fellow backup catcher Todd Pratt.

Those are your 2006 Mets with 17 newcomers (and all 30 players) added to Crane Pool 500. Seventeen will drop when we upload the new rankings. More than 17, because we never re-loaded the list after 2005.

Bon Voyage to:

Paul Siebert
Dave Eilers
Tucker Ashford
Don Florence
Heath Bell
Randy Sterling
Bill Short
Chris Donnels
Shawn Hare
Leroy Stanton
David West
Takashi Kashiwada
John Hudek
Ed Bouchee
John Strohmeyer
Bubba Trammell
Dick Smith
Tom Veryzer
Butch Metzger
Dick Stuart
Tom Moore
Rich Folkers
Pepe Mangual
Don Aase
Jason Hardtke
Jim Bethke
Herm Winningham
Chico Fernandez
Pat Tabler
Amado Samuel
Bill Latham
Paul Byrd
Rigo Beltran
Edwin Nuņez

Frayed Knot
Jan 02 2007 01:31 PM

Only you would decide to put up a thread detailing the new order of the overall list before even getting around to contributing to the 2006 list itself which will, once your list is added, change the order of not only that list but also the final result that you're already quizzing people about.
In fact, marathon's contribution has already altered the order slightly from the temporary consensus you're using here.

How 'bout let's finish the 2006 list first, then fix 1965 plus whatever else needs fixing, before summarizing what the new overall order looks like?

Edgy DC
Jan 02 2007 01:35 PM

Only me.

I had to have some up-to-date master list in place to launch the Parody contest, Mr. Only You.

How 'bout?

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 02 2007 01:41 PM

Just my luck. I had a great idea for a Jim Bethke song!

In theory, if we were to continue updating this rankings for another thousand years, we'd eventually see names like Darling, Agee, and Alfonzo dropping off the list.

And maybe even Seaver, Gooden, Strawberry, and Piazza.

Edgy DC
Jan 02 2007 02:38 PM

In theory, but it took 45 years to make one guy as good as Seaver. At that rate, in order to get 500 as good, it wouldn't take 1000 years, but 22,500.

And that would be for players merely more or less as good as him. Presumably half would be ranked above him and half below, so it would more likely take a full 45,000 years to erase him from the chart.

Forty.

Five.

Thousand.

Sheesh, no wonder he's smug.

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 02 2007 02:47 PM

Wow!

So Seaver's safe for a while.

By 2962, though, approximately all but the current top 22 or 23 will have fallen from the list.

sharpie
Jan 02 2007 03:31 PM

Well, it took 45 years to get Ed Bouchee (he of the .161 average for the '62 Mets) off of Top 500 list. 45,000 years sounds right for Seaver.