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Relative Reserve Outfielders (Split from Now What)
Nymr83 Jan 05 2007 03:20 PM |
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i think that between Milledge and Johnson we have among the best 4th and 5th outfielders in the league, Omar did ok backing up the fragile old men.
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Vic Sage Jan 05 2007 03:35 PM |
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you can think what you want, but neither of those guys have proven anything on the major league level, so while they have potential, they aren't among the best ANYTHING in the league. And while i would agree that Endy Chavez, on the other hand, IS a damn good 4th OFer, he was last season's aqcquisition. At any rate, we didn't need an upgrade at BACKUP corner OFer (ie, see Chavez, above). We needed 2 better starters than Floyd and Green. Alou and Ben Johnson don't fill that bill.
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Edgy DC Jan 05 2007 04:08 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jan 06 2007 05:01 PM |
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Millege and Johnson are the fifth and sixth outfielders right now, not fourth and fifth.
Then I realized I have to get some work done and somebody else can can do the other 10 teams. So far, Cincy looks good, but Conine and Crosby have as much to prove about not being too old as Milledge and Johnson have to prove about being ready and capable. Colorado has a lot of young talent, though not a lot of power for a power-generating stadium. Chicago is a mess. Their website lists no centerfielder on their depth chart, so I mentally stuck Angel Pagan there and took the next three, the third of which was their backup firstbaseman whose outfielding days appear over.
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Edgy DC Jan 05 2007 04:14 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 05 2007 08:19 PM |
I split this scintillating mini-thread from the Now What thread, which was more about pitching anyhow.
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Gwreck Jan 05 2007 07:00 PM Re: Relative Reserve Outfielders (Split from Now What) |
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Needless hyperbole - check the numbers. Green has played 149+ games the last 9 seasons. Alou might be a bit more fragile but has produced solidly desipte missing time the past 2 years.
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Nymr83 Jan 05 2007 07:07 PM |
triple post!
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Edgy DC Jan 05 2007 08:20 PM |
I think it's neat-o that a post about needless hyperbole is expressed in triplicate.
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Gwreck Jan 05 2007 11:08 PM |
I think it's terribly ironic (wiping the egg of my face here).
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smg58 Jan 06 2007 12:27 AM |
And 120 games of Alou would constitute a huge upgrade from what we got out of left field last season.
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Edgy DC Jan 06 2007 10:23 AM |
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Well, depending on whether Alou can maintain his 2006 level of production.
Subjectively, do I still feel my team is vulnerable? Hell, yeah. But objectively, it's hard to look at the position and see it as unaddressed.
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Vic Sage Jan 06 2007 02:51 PM |
Your observation that our LF position generated relatively meager production last year was the very point i started with.
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Elster88 Jan 06 2007 03:29 PM |
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I feel somewhat better. Thanks EDC
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Edgy DC Jan 06 2007 05:03 PM |
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There's a lot of quesitons here. It's not like any answer would make them go away. We're dealing with likelihoods, not guarantees. Would anybody who subscribes to any of those fancy projection sites like to post what the Mets left field projections look like if they returned last year's crew and what they look like with Alou, Johnson, and Newhan in the mix?
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cleonjones11 Jan 06 2007 06:03 PM |
Ben Johnson....enters minors 1999..show some power...makes majors in 2006 with 80 something AB's AAAA hitter?
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smg58 Jan 16 2007 07:50 AM |
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He hits lefties fairly well, plays all three outfield positions, showed excellent power before last year (and plenty of veterans have seen their power numbers plummet upon arrival at PETCO too), his progress was stalled when he lost a full season to an injury but that was a few years ago and he's hardly old at 25 -- why not? I think he'd be more likely to make the club in a reserve role than Milledge, whom I think would need to beat Green out of a full-time spot to make the Opening Day roster. Newhan complicates things, but with Endy in place as the fourth outfielder and Green a liability against lefties, the Mets need an extra righty outfielder more than a lefty one. Plus I think Johnson is simply better than Newhan and will show that in the spring.
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Nymr83 Jan 16 2007 08:13 AM |
Johnson is an excellent guy to have around, nobody is suggesting he get handed a starting job, but he's a good player.
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Johnny Dickshot Jan 16 2007 09:34 AM |
The Mets need Franco to retire is what they need.
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Yancy Street Gang Jan 16 2007 10:12 AM |
Yes, I agree. Franco's a good guy and a good mentor, but he's taking up a roster spot that should be filled by a younger and more versatile player.
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Edgy DC Jan 16 2007 10:18 AM |
Thing is that, on the Braves, he was more versatile, because they used him to cover first base against lefties.
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Edgy DC Jan 16 2007 11:57 AM |
Crazy thought. The Cubs have squat for a centerfielder right now and have followed a couple of free agency and trade routes and come up empty. Prospect Felix Pie is at least a year away (though his name is right now, baby!).
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smg58 Jan 16 2007 12:30 PM |
At this point I think Franco would be more valuable as a bench coach than as a player. His highlight for us last year was getting Beltran to make the curtain call.
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Edgy DC Jan 16 2007 12:58 PM |
That inadequate bat, if you can imagine him sustaining that performance long enough to qualify, would have been fifth in OPS among National League centerfielders.
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metirish Jan 16 2007 01:07 PM |
We'll need Endy when Alou or and Green goes down with an injury.....just my opinion but I see Endy becoming the regular right fielder in 07....
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Nymr83 Jan 16 2007 01:54 PM |
if we could actually get a decent starter for Chavez i'd do it and take the chance that when someone goes down Milledge will be ready. It should also be easy to acquire an aging corner outfielder with a semi-productive bat midseason if need be, compared to other positions they practically grow on trees.
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DocTee Jan 16 2007 02:09 PM |
ESPN reporting that Endy just got a $1 million raise from the Mets
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metirish Jan 16 2007 02:10 PM |
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Frayed Knot Jan 16 2007 02:21 PM |
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At some point they're going to have to have faith that Milledge can be thrown into the deep end of the pool. Endy is a valuable backup (at least as long as he proves that last year wasn't a fluke) but if he can help fish up some useful part elsewhere you can't vow to keep him around just as a hedge against injuries. He'd actually be most valuable if/when Beltran goes down since he's the only legit CFer on the bench (maybe Johnson?) but he's not a real long-term solution at one of the corners.
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smg58 Jan 16 2007 03:29 PM |
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I can't imagine it (Endy, feel free to prove me wrong on this one), but his glove still makes him valuable even if he reverts back to his previous numbers.
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Edgy DC Jan 16 2007 04:31 PM |
Not saying it's likely, but I see no reason why it's beyond conceiving that a guy who does something over 353 at-bats can do it over 501.
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