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Scott Schoenweiss?

Frayed Knot Jan 10 2007 04:03 PM

Buster Olney on espn sez: Mets are "on the verge of signing free-agent pitcher Scott Schoeneweis to a three-year deal" [url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/schoesc01.shtml]Schoenweiss[/url] is a 33 y/o LH reliever. Works a lot, had a coupla good seasons w/the Angels but has looked more or less ordinary recently. Not quite sure I get the point in this one - particularly over the supposed multi-year committment.

Nymr83 Jan 10 2007 04:06 PM

thats lame, if we were going to give 3 years to a reliever we should have brought Bradford back.

Edgy DC Jan 10 2007 04:13 PM

Ummm...

metirish Jan 10 2007 04:16 PM

I don't like Omar giving relievers of his ilk multi-year deals.

attgig Jan 10 2007 04:28 PM

this diverges completely from their stance on relievers for the past few years.

Willets Point Jan 10 2007 04:52 PM

Sounds like a winner for the parody tournament though. Schoeneweis, Schoeneweis Every evening you greet me....

sharpie Jan 10 2007 05:01 PM

I take those sort of reports with a grain of salt. Weren't we supposed to have locked up Alou for two guaranteed years? He's been linked to the Yankees most of the winter.

Farmer Ted Jan 10 2007 05:01 PM

He's a former starter...hmmmm Jersey kid that went to Duke. Local and smart.

Johnny Dickshot Jan 10 2007 05:04 PM

I'm suspicious of guys who wear No. 60. And with that ugly font Toronto went to, his name barely fit on the back of his jersey. Hmmmm

KC Jan 10 2007 05:07 PM

A three what deal?

Sandgnat Jan 10 2007 05:19 PM

3 year deal for a LOOGY? Righties take him deep every 21 AB's. I don't see how this makes sense unless it is a prelude to another move.

Nymr83 Jan 10 2007 06:58 PM

]He's a former starter...hmmmm end that thought now, he was TERRIBLE as a starter and hasn't been one in 2 or 3 years. If the Mets want to convert a reliever to start they should talk to Aaron Heilman instead of giving 3 years to Schoenweiss.

RealityChuck Jan 10 2007 10:37 PM

This is SOP: sign a bunch of relievers and sort them out in spring training. Terrible? Maybe. But it's better to have extra arms in camp than to have too few.

Johnny Dickshot Jan 10 2007 10:54 PM

But a 3-year deal?!? That's not SOP. That's... POS!!! Don't get it.

Frayed Knot Jan 10 2007 10:55 PM

More from espn: Schoeneweis and the Mets reached a preliminary agreement on a $10.8 million, three-year contract. The deal is pending a physical, three people familiar with the negotiations told The Associated Press. All three spoke on condition of anonymity because the contract had not yet been finalized. WOW! That's more than they balked at with Bradford AND it'll cost draft pick compensation (Schoenweiss is Type B FA) I don't get this one at all.

Nymr83 Jan 10 2007 11:29 PM

yeah, really stupid. i wouldnt care if they gave a bunch of relievers spring training invites but 3 year deals to guys like this doesnt look good

Edgy DC Jan 11 2007 01:07 AM

Scott Schoeneweis would be the Mets second Jewish player, perhaps the first time they've been a two-Jew team. All they need is a booger-eating moron. Mota maybe? He's from Long Branch, New Jersey, and his college career included Tommy John surgery after an elbow blowout and a bout with testicular cancer, which he supposedly beat while staying intact. Despite these setbacks (or maybe thanks to them), he graduated from Duke with his class and holds a history degree. In a strange ceremony before dozens of rabid baseball fans here, B'Nai Brith of Canada presents an award for Schoenweiss's generous volunteer work. Accepting the award is... Corey Koskie? Married, but I can't find the wife's name.

Edgy DC Jan 11 2007 09:30 AM

This is dragging its feet. The Mets site says nothing of this. But Wikipedia already describes him as a player for the New York Mets.

smg58 Jan 11 2007 09:37 AM

He may or may not be better than Feliciano. I could see a one-year deal for the sake of depth, but that contract looks silly.

Johnny Dickshot Jan 11 2007 09:40 AM

The Mets also have not announced the Duaner Sanchez deal. Maybe Jay is on vacation. I wouldn't be surprised to see another shoe drop here. Feliciano, Heilman and Milledge for...

Edgy DC Jan 11 2007 09:45 AM

I can't find his wife's name, but I sure have found out that his agent's name is Boras. I guess that what makes him attractive is the versatility. He's an effective LOOGy, but he can do long releif and start as well. He was excellent down the stretch with the Reds last year. Part of this seems to be Omar's reaction to the market. If his like are costing four million a year this off-season, he may be afraid that they'll be 4.5 and 5 in the next two years, so he's "saving" money by locking him up a little. The hard part of that logic is believing that he will be his like for the next three years. I realize he adds Oliverian redundacy in the pen, where Minaya does not intend to get caught with his pants down during a pennant run, but I'd reather see some redundancy that comes in the form of a power-hitting firstbaseman/outfielder on the bench. The thing about LOOGys, though, is that they're dealable. I wonder how Schoeneweis (correct spellling, get used to it) feels about throwing to Paul Lo Duca or having Cliff Floyd in the outfield.

Johnny Dickshot Jan 11 2007 10:39 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Scott Schoeneweis would be the Mets second Jewish player, perhaps the first time they've been a two-Jew team. I think Newhan may be also be a Jew. So we'd have a very Jew-sy team.

seawolf17 Jan 11 2007 10:42 AM

Don't forget about Pedro Martinewitz and Jose Reyestein.

Edgy DC Jan 11 2007 10:47 AM

It's the New Jew Review!

Edgy DC Jan 11 2007 01:18 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 11 2007 02:39 PM

As much as Scotty's versatility defines his usefulness, it's worth looking at this deal --- should it go over as reported --- as a potential precursor. We only found out later how the Xavier Nady deal was a precursor for the Carlos Delgado acquisition, as the Mets were honing in on both Delgado and Manny Ramirez, and so set themsleves up by getting a guy who could play either corner outfield or firstbase. Schoeneweis can step in the role of another reliever who may be included in a trade or moved into the rotation. That suggests Heilman, but I don't think he's going to be moved until Sanchez is re-established as healthy and/or Mota is returned. But maybe they're looking ahead to then, setting up chips for an in-season move, I don't know.

smg58 Jan 11 2007 02:35 PM

I wonder if Minaya, Randolph, or Peterson saw something in his mechanics in Cincinnati that changed from when he was in Toronto, suggesting that the huge difference in performance might not be as flukey as it looks. That would affect his value, to be sure, but the Reds would have known that better than anybody and didn't tie him down. I guess we'll see if they spotted something along those lines.

Johnny Dickshot Jan 11 2007 02:36 PM

He would be the first Met to wear No. 60. Just wrong.

cleonjones11 Jan 11 2007 11:12 PM

I would think he will start. He was a decent crafty lefty in anaheim. It also tells me a trade is on the the way and only God knows what that might be..

soupcan Jan 12 2007 09:31 AM

You mean Yaweh.

Frayed Knot Jan 12 2007 09:59 AM

[url=http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/is-scott-schoeneweis-any-good/]Not a good review[/url] of the Schoenweis signing - basically saying the same thing that many of us here have; what's so special about this guy that required a 3-year, near $11mil deal on a team that already has 2 LH relievers?

Vic Sage Jan 12 2007 10:14 AM

we already have 3 LRPs... your forgetting young Vargas, who spent significant time in the bullpen in his 2 seasons. Also, D.Williams, if he doesn't make the rotation. This is another demerit for Omar's crappy off-season.

Edgy DC Jan 12 2007 10:45 AM

I'm going to question one part of that article. I think an increased walk rate makes sense when you become more of a matchup specialist. When there's a runner on second and/or third that you're brought in to prevent from scoring, singles kill. Your job is to get the out, but the secondary part of the job is to not give up a base hit. With the tying or go-ahead run on in late innings, that open base is your friend, allowing you to go for the corners. I'm not saying those 5.79 bb/9 with Cincinnati are good. But they need to be seen in part as a byproduct of the .133 batting average he yielded to lefthanders.

Edgy DC Jan 12 2007 02:30 PM

Seriously, it's been 48 hours. Anybody suspect that this isn't happening?

Johnny Dickshot Jan 12 2007 02:57 PM

I think the complicated side deal where half the team's prospects go for Dontrelle Willis or Danny Haren is what's been holding things up. Word is the Mets have refused to include Bobby Parnell in any deal.

cleonjones11 Jan 14 2007 04:54 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: ="Edgy DC"]Scott Schoeneweis would be the Mets second Jewish player, perhaps the first time they've been a two-Jew team. I think Newhan may be also be a Jew. So we'd have a very Jew-sy team. A New-Jewsey Team?

iramets Jan 14 2007 05:20 PM

cleonjones11 wrote: ="Johnny Dickshot"] ="Edgy DC"]Scott Schoeneweis would be the Mets second Jewish player, perhaps the first time they've been a two-Jew team. I think Newhan may be also be a Jew. So we'd have a very Jew-sy team. A New-Jewsey Team? Is that a Tom Kean sr. accent you're affecting, Cleon?

ScarletKnight41 Jan 14 2007 06:30 PM

[url=http://jewishmajorleaguers.org/]Jewish Major Leaguers[/url] has Newhan on the list.

Frayed Knot Jan 16 2007 01:04 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Seriously, it's been 48 hours. Anybody suspect that this isn't happening? The team held a conference call news conference today as a confirmation on the signing. I guess S.S. doesn't rate a "pose & grin" and break out the shrimp platter for the scribes sort of deal.

Edgy DC Jan 16 2007 01:07 PM

The Jewish would show, but they might not eat shellfish.