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Frayed Knot Jan 28 2007 11:46 AM

It's no secret that the forever rebuilding Rockies would like to get out from under Todd Helton's contract - they've even said so publicly and may be willing to pay around half his remaining money to make it happen. Boston has been a rumored destination - possibly because it now seems mandatory to mention them as a possibility for all deals. Now Helton's not the player he used to be - most notably his power is absent - but could still be a bargain at half the price. Now [url=http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/492676p-415019c.html]NYDN's Bill Madden[/url] is saying that Helton to BoSox may be closer to reality than previously thought. "The essence of the trade is in place," says a source. "But they're haggling over Boston prospects." ... which, admittedly, is still a big tripping point. BUT, if it does happen, it would give to Sox one helluvan 'OBP' run in the top/middle of their order (in whatever order you want to put them). 2006 figures: Manny = .439 (best in MLB) Ortiz = .413 Youkilis = .381 Drew = .393 Helton = .409 (all top 30 in MLB) Fuckin Wow!

Nymr83 Jan 28 2007 11:52 AM

I'd hardly consider Drew a lock to repeat that number, but Helton is a great hitter and Fenway has always been good to lefties.

Edgy DC Jan 28 2007 11:58 AM

I get the impression that the Yankees aren't wed to Andy Phillips and Doug Mientkiewicz either.

Frayed Knot Jan 28 2007 02:57 PM

Nymr83 wrote: I'd hardly consider Drew a lock to repeat that number ... Drew career OBPs: .340 .401 .414 .349 .374 .436 .412 .393 Rough avg ~ .390 Say what you want about Drew's injuries, attitude, 'toughness', or whatever, but he gets on base and can be a terrific offensive force when he's on.

vtmet Jan 28 2007 05:59 PM

Nothing wrong with Drew's OBP, but his IGP (in game percentage) is a little lacking for his contract...an OFer that averages 118 games over his career? That number is even a little low for catchers, let alone a corner OFer...Looks like Drew's injuries are similar to Bret Saberhagen's success prior to being a Met (Hag's was dominant in odd years, awful in even years)...On even years, Drew has played no less than 135 games...On odd years, Drew has played no more than 109 games (104 in '99; 109 in '01; 100 in '03; 72 in '05)...hate to let the Sox fans down, but it's an odd year coming up...

vtmet Jan 28 2007 06:04 PM

so if they get Helton, what position do they move Youkilis to? I thought he did a pretty solid job at 1st base last season...but he has also played 2B, 3B and the OF in the past 2 seasons...

Nymr83 Jan 28 2007 06:43 PM

Youkilis was originally a 3B

vtmet Jan 28 2007 07:45 PM

Don't they still have Lowell at 3B?

Edgy DC Jan 28 2007 08:24 PM

I wouldn't make too much of the injured-in-odd-years pattern.

OlerudOwned Jan 28 2007 08:42 PM

="vtmet"]Don't they still have Lowell at 3B? From the things I've heard, Lowell would be a part of the deal. This would leave Utilityman/El Chupacabra Jamey Carroll free to jump in at 2nd, Short, or wherever else a hole may open. ˇDispárelo!

Frayed Knot Jan 29 2007 11:25 PM

[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6422286] ... talks with Boston have ended and "there will be no further discussions."[/url] Not real clear if this one ever was close to happening. But if it once was, it now isn't.

metirish Jan 29 2007 11:26 PM

Well that's that...

Edgy DC Feb 01 2007 04:23 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 01 2007 06:48 PM

The Washington Post says that the O's were also offered a Helton deal, but pulled out when the salary wouldn't go any lower. If the Rocks keep shopping him, I'm thinking that maybe the Braves are a match (maybe even with Schuerholz bringing a third team in again, like the last time he took a huge contract off of Colorado's hands). Last I checked, they had a platoon of Scott Thorman and Craig Wilson at first.

metirish Feb 01 2007 04:24 PM

Maybe Cashman will take a look at him,they would seem to have the prospects to get him....

Edgy DC Feb 01 2007 04:30 PM

Thing is, I would kind of like the Yankees to get him, as their prospects are more important to them sustaining what they've done. The Braves may just be a Helton a way from returning to the fight.

iramets Feb 01 2007 04:50 PM

Edgy DC wrote: The Braves may just be a Helton a way from returning to the fight. Yeah, but would they take on an obscene contact from the Rockies [cough--Mike Hampton] is the question?

cleonjones11 Feb 01 2007 06:44 PM

Helton's an old 33. I think he's washed up . Heck Hojo was finished by then...