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Carlos Zambrano

Nymr83 Feb 13 2007 11:17 PM

[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2763803[/url] ]"If they don't sign me, sorry, but I must go. That's what Carlos Zambrano thinks." -- Carlos Zambrano so besides talking like Rickey Henderson, This article raises an interesting question...how much leverage does Zambrano gain from this stance? clearly he will get paid a boatload on the open market so he is hardly cutting off much interest in him (as some lesser players would be by telling a club they have no shot at resigning him) do you think this will work? do you think other players with a year or more left before free agency will try this in the future? i know players have often said in the past "i won't talk contract during the season" but thats very different from this, do you think this becomes the new standard negotiating ploy if Zambrano succeeds? sorry to start a new thread for what may likely not get many responces, but i couldnt find an appropriate thread for this

Frayed Knot Feb 13 2007 11:32 PM

"i know players have often said in the past "i won't talk contract during the season" but thats very different from this, do you think this becomes the new standard negotiating ploy if Zambrano succeeds? " I don't see how this tactic is new or different

metirish Feb 13 2007 11:48 PM

It's hard to imagine that the Cubs would not tie up Zambrano with a big fat contract,with all the money they doled out already why stop now.

OlerudOwned Feb 13 2007 11:50 PM

I'm glad the Mets didn't give Barry Zito-money to Barry Zito, but for Zambrano, I'd be plenty happy.

Nymr83 Feb 14 2007 12:26 AM

="Frayed Knot"]"i know players have often said in the past "i won't talk contract during the season" but thats very different from this, do you think this becomes the new standard negotiating ploy if Zambrano succeeds? " I don't see how this tactic is new or different you don't see the difference between "sign me now or you'll have to talk to me along with everyone else after the season" and "sign me now or you never will"?

Nymr83 Feb 14 2007 12:27 AM

metirish wrote: It's hard to imagine that the Cubs would not tie up Zambrano with a big fat contract,with all the money they doled out already why stop now. agreed. you can't pay ted friggin lilly if you arent ready to pay carlos zambrano

Frayed Knot Feb 14 2007 10:28 AM

]you don't see the difference between "sign me now or you'll have to talk to me along with everyone else after the season" and "sign me now or you never will"? I don't think that's what he's saying, and if it is what he's saying then it's not what he means. I read "pay me now or I'll go" as; - I'll go the free-agent route or as - I'll have the freedom to go and then you'll have to bid for me Put it this way; if he reaches the FA stage and the Cubs decide to be major players ... he'll listen.

metirish Feb 14 2007 10:38 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 14 2007 10:42 AM

If Jim Hendry lets Zambrano become a FA then Hendry should be fired..........or shot.

Yancy Street Gang Feb 14 2007 10:42 AM

Fired is hopefully more likely.

smg58 Feb 14 2007 12:22 PM

On one hand, it would take an awful lot of explaining if they spend all this money then let Zambrano walk. On the other hand, he'll command a scary contract for a pitcher. 7 years and $140M would probably be needed to get it done; I doubt he settles for "only" what Zito got. I still think you have to do it. No pitcher's arm comes with a money-back guarantee -- which explains why Zambrano wants a deal done now -- but if you want to keep a pitcher like Zambrano then at some point you quit the posturing and open your wallet.

Edgy DC Feb 14 2007 12:39 PM

Seems like the only one posturing is Zambrano. And he's coming across like a huge jerk.

Frayed Knot Feb 16 2007 10:24 AM

Sounds like his agent gave him a quickie lesson on the economics of closing doors: Carlos Zambrano backed off recent comments that he would leave the Chicago Cubs as a free agent after this season if he doesn't get a multiyear contract during spring training. Although he would rather get a new deal done by opening day, the pitcher said Thursday he would be willing to negotiate next fall. He won't discuss a contract during the season, though. "They have the first look," Zambrano said ... "I didn't say that if they don't sign me before the end of spring training I will not sign with the Cubs. I didn't say that. I just said they have till the beginning of the season; if not, I don't want to talk about (a) contract during the season." IOW, never mind what I said then, this is what I'm saying now.

Nymr83 Feb 16 2007 10:48 AM

"Hola! Mi llamo Carlos"

metirish Feb 16 2007 11:00 AM

Right now I would give the Cubs whatever they wanted in a trade for Zambrano.

Yancy Street Gang Feb 16 2007 11:12 AM

I'd love to get him but "whatever they wanted" is a bit extreme, especially for a pitcher in his walk year.

metirish Feb 16 2007 11:15 AM

Well yeah that is extreme,but Humber,Pelfrey and Heilman should do it...Omar then signs him to a five year deal and we have a legit #1 pitcher..

Edgy DC Feb 16 2007 11:18 AM

Let's avoid fantasizing about swooping in whenever a player throws darts at his organization.

metirish Feb 16 2007 11:21 AM

Well I can dream...............

Edgy DC Feb 16 2007 11:33 AM

I dream about Mets (Humber, Pelfrey, and Heilman, for instance). Zambrano wears a Cub uniform and I view him with suspicion at best.

Yancy Street Gang Feb 16 2007 11:35 AM

Yes, I'd rather see Humber or Pelfrey become that legitimate number 1. The Mets can talk to (or about) Zambrano in November, if he's available. Imagine the Mets trading three young pitchers for a guy named Zambrano. Mike Francesca would condemn the deal because it's been proven that you shouldn't trade young pitchers for guys named Zambrano.

Nymr83 Feb 16 2007 03:31 PM

even for a guy of Zambrano's caliber that proposed deal is insane for a guy in his walk year and i'd STILL hesitate to do it even with a "signing window."