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50th Anniversary of Gold Glove ballot

KC Feb 20 2007 08:24 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 20 2007 08:26 PM

Rawlings unveiled a ballot today for fans to vote on the best gold glovers of all time to commemorate the awards 50th anniversary. You can vote here. I haven't looked at who's on the ballot or anything, but it may make for a good thread. I heard it discussed on Mike and Mike in the Morning show today and just remember.

cooby Feb 20 2007 08:25 PM

Link doesn't work, but I'd vote for Keef and Rey

cooby Feb 20 2007 08:26 PM

Sorry, now it does

KC Feb 20 2007 08:31 PM

Mays (cup o' coffee), Alomar (ug), and Keith are the Mets on the ballot.

Edgy DC Feb 20 2007 08:44 PM

Pitcher: Kaat, Jim Catcher: Bench, Johnny First Base: Hernandez, Keith Second Base: Mazeroski, Bill Third Base: Robinson, Brooks Shortstop: Smith, Ozzie Outfield: Blair, Paul Outfield: Clemente, Roberto Outfield: Maddox, Garry Yeah, I voted for two centerfielders. Sue me. The outfield portion of the ballot was full of centerfielders. I feel goofy participating, because I think the GGs are pretty farcical. But can I stand there and watch the box get stuffed with Mattingly votes? I cannot!

OlerudOwned Feb 20 2007 10:04 PM

If Derek Jeter wins this, I'm burning down the internet.

Edgy DC Feb 20 2007 10:22 PM

Agee Gilkey HIdalgo Ordoñez Flynn Ventura McDowell Hernandez Grote

metsmarathon Feb 20 2007 10:35 PM

jeter makes the ballot over trammel, fernandez, and larkin?! i'd be happier even with arod or ripken!

Edgy DC Feb 20 2007 10:46 PM

Or Mike Bordick. Or Rey Ordoñez. Or Buddy Harrelson. Or a dozen other peeps who didn't even play for the Mets. If the vote should be total defensive win shares (lower case, so you can measure dws however you want), then the winner is usally going to be whoever spent the longest at that postion. But I don't thik that's what Rawlings wants. At least, I hope not. because that's going to reward a batsman almost every time. The top defensive player at his position can keep his job for a few years if he doesn't hit, but not much longer.

Frayed Knot Feb 20 2007 11:28 PM

Nate Silver over at [url=http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=215&PHPSESSID=a9d0d676ea2f9f21ada5260e632c4889]Baseball Prospectus[/url] gives a big ol 'LOL' at the inclusion of Mr. Jeter on the GG ballot and finds that their measure of his 'Fielding Runs (saved) Above Average' [FRAA] leaves him just a bit outside of a few others in the Gold Glove era.

MFS62 Feb 21 2007 08:47 AM

Pitcher: Kaat Catcher: Bench First Base: Hernandez Second Base: Mazeroskil Third Base: Robinson Shortstop: Smith Outfield: Flood Outfield: Clemente Outfield: Mays Yep, I voted for two centerfielders, too. It was interesting that Vic Power was on the ballot, but Gil Hodges wasn't. Both were at one time considered the "best righty fielding first baseman" of their time. Later

Edgy DC Feb 21 2007 09:09 AM

Power won seven Gold Gloves, and Hodges three. Now, that's all contextual, and a large chunk of Hodges' era didn't overlap the Gold Glove era, and the one year there was only one award given for both leagues --- 1956 --- Gil won, but I strongly suspect that what mattered most when coming up with a ballot was that one guy won seven and the other guy three. And getting Jeter onto the ballot, I guess. Amazing.

seawolf17 Feb 21 2007 09:22 AM

If Keith Hernandez doesn't win the first base award, I'm buying the special internet gasoline for OO. FIRST BASE GOLD GLOVES 11. Keith Hernandez 9. Don Mattingly 8. George Scott 7. Vic Power 7. Bill White 6. Wes Parker 6. J.T. Snow 4. Steve Garvey 4. Mark Grace 3. Todd Helton 3. Gil Hodges 3. Eddie Murray 3. John Olerud 3. Rafael Palmeiro 3. Joe Pepitone 2. Cecil Cooper 2. Andres Galarraga 2. Derrek Lee 2. Jim Spencer 2. Mark Teixeira

MFS62 Feb 21 2007 09:41 AM

Thinking Back: The comparison between Power and Hodges is like the comparison between Smith and Belanger. Power was the first "flash and dash" first baseman (or fielder at any position I can recall) - what we call a "hot dog" today. And he won his gold gloves in an era when the job description for a first baseman was "he can drill the ball 400 feet". So when it came to fielding, his exploits stood out. But Hodges was steadily excellent. And with both came the caveat "for a right handed first baseman". But Hernandez was the best I ever saw, and that's why I voted for him. At short, Belanger was steadily excellent, without the flash and dash of Ozzie. But Ozzie made plays that I feel Belanger might not have, and for that reason the WIz got my vote. Later

ABG Feb 21 2007 10:39 AM

P: Maddox C: Bench 1B: Keith 2B: Alomar SS: Smith 3B: Robinson OF: Andruw OF: Clemente OF: Mays My ballot is biased towards guys I have seen. Andruw, for instance, was the best defensive player I've ever seen (he's since fallen off). I freakin' hate that guy, but how can I not vote for him?

Edgy DC Feb 21 2007 10:57 AM

I think Andruw Jones' period of brilliance was a lot shorter than his period of Gold Gloves.

metirish Feb 21 2007 11:53 AM

I just can't or refuse to take seriously any ballot that has Jeter as an all time great glove man at SS...for fucks sake he's barely above average at SS.

ABG Feb 21 2007 12:06 PM

Edgy DC wrote: I think Andruw Jones' period of brilliance was a lot shorter than his period of Gold Gloves. I grant that. I'd say he was at his apex from about 1997 through 2002. That's still six years of unparalleled excellence. And I still think his last three or four GG's are well earned and not merely reputational.

SteveJRogers Feb 23 2007 07:27 AM

The problem with Jeter is the same problem with alot of these fan voted Anniversary things. Who ever is running these things want to honor "legendary players" no matter if they really do deserve to be on the ballot. Omar Vizquel was cleaning up the SS Gold Gloves in the AL while the Troika (Nomar, ARod, Jeter) were getting all the press in the late 1990's but will many people vote for him? Other than "true" baseball fans and Cleveland fans, Seattle fans of the pre-ARod years and current Giant fans, hardly anyone would know Omar Vizquel from Omar Minaya Interesting, looking at the lists, doesn't seem like there are too many "bad jobs" though. SS GGs have been the weak spot in terms of big names on the winner list, so there you go with Jeter's name being on there.

Edgy DC Feb 23 2007 07:42 AM

I think people not voting for Jeter is far less problemeatic than them not having a chance to vote for Ripken, Larkin, et al.

SI Metman Feb 23 2007 11:00 PM

It'd be a travesty if Jeter won over Ozzie. First base is going to come down to Met vs Yank.

OlerudOwned Feb 26 2007 09:40 AM

Well, we know who A-Rod is voting for. http://www.aolsportsblog.com/2007/02/26/alex-rodriguez-knows-how-new-yorkers-feel-about-him/ Bergen Record wrote: Jason Giambi picked Mattingly for sentimental reasons – "Donnie was my favorite player" – while Alex Rodriguez was on the verge of choosing Hernandez because, as a die-hard Met fan growing up, "I watched every single Met on WOR for four straight years. I saw so much more of Mex than I did Donnie." A-Rod didn't officially choose Mattingly, however, because as he said with a rueful smile, "Yankee fans already hate me."