Master Index of Archived Threads
Franco v. Mussina
Yancy Street Gang Mar 13 2007 09:48 AM |
Whatever happened to graphite bats?
|
Edgy DC Mar 13 2007 09:52 AM |
I ask the same question.
|
sharpie Mar 13 2007 09:59 AM |
The league that Lenny played in til last year banned metal bats for kids aged 10 and up so Lenny played in the end of the metal era. As a now former coach I agree with the ruling. I have seen balls come off of those metal bats at frightening speeds. We used to end seasons with a parent/kid game. One of my pitchers was pitching against his mother (a good athlete in her own right) who hit a line drive that he couldn't react to fast enough. Luckily it only hit him in the leg (though he was hurt badly enough that he had to leave the game) but much higher and it would have been pretty bad.
|
Johnny Dickshot Mar 13 2007 10:01 AM |
You know, they can manufacture aluminum bats to perform to certain standards if they only come up with some. Why not start there rather than go ask John Franco what he believes to be the case.
|
Edgy DC Mar 13 2007 10:10 AM |
'Cause it's fun to ask a guy whose last hit was in 1989* about bat performance.
|
metirish Mar 13 2007 10:26 AM |
Rick Sutcliffe ..........
|
Yancy Street Gang Mar 13 2007 11:04 AM |
MLB.com actually has a bat buying guide, and graphite is mentioned:
|
soupcan Mar 13 2007 11:17 AM |
|
And supposedly the ceramic bats even sound like the wood ones. Win-win.
|
Rockin' Doc Mar 14 2007 07:49 AM |
The advantage of aluminum or composite bats over wooden ones is that the sweet spot is dramatically larger in the metal bats. The reduction of weight allows batters to swing the bat with far more bat head speed which coupled with the larger sweet spot results in more hard hit balls. As someone who grew up using first wood bats and then eventually switched to metal, I can tell you that I and my fellow teammates over the years became convinced that the ball just seemed to "jump" off of the metal bats. Anyone that doesn't think the ball reacts differently off of a metal bat than a wooden one, should try dropping a few bunts against a good fast ball with each. It is much tougher and requires far better technique to deaden the ball with the metal bats.
|
Nymr83 Mar 14 2007 08:16 AM |
|
in other words, the younger kids who may need protecting arent being protected while hte 15-18 year olds, who imo are old enough that if they are worried about metal bats hitting hte ball to them too hard shouldnt be playing can now no longer use them. good job idiot council! edit- as far as grafite goes i'm told they are pretty cost prohibitive, $200 each or something like that.
|
Yancy Street Gang Mar 14 2007 09:35 AM |
|
It's not that bad! I found one at Sports Authority (see above) for only $199! What does an aluminum bat go for these days?
|
Edgy DC Mar 14 2007 09:44 AM |
Are they longer lasting? Are they recylable?
|
Johnny Dickshot Mar 14 2007 10:03 AM |
A top-quality aluminum softball bat these days can go for $500!
|
Nymr83 Mar 14 2007 10:13 AM |
the major manufacturers, or at least some of them do make them and i'm sure they'd make more of them if the demand grew, i don't know how long lasting they are as compared to metal.
|
soupcan Mar 14 2007 10:16 AM |
The only thing I can think of in response to that is that the danger would be less to little leaguers because, on average, they are smaller and don't swing or hit the ball nearly as hard as a high school kid would.
|
Nymr83 Mar 14 2007 10:21 AM |
they're also far less likely to be able to get our of the way or put their glove up in time on a batted ball. theres also a certain responsibility aspect to it... a 17 year old chooses to play baseball and accepts the risks, a 10 year old is (often) told by mommy and daddy that its time to go play.
|
Johnny Dickshot Mar 14 2007 10:22 AM |
Here's Easton's ceramic/carbon bat:
|
sharpie Mar 14 2007 10:23 AM |
Soupcan is right, that is the reason. Having until last season watched teams from 5 years old to 14 years old, it was only in the last couple of years as skill levels increased and kids got much bigger that there was any real danger. Plus the balls get harder as they age up. It is easier to hit a ball harder and farther with a metal bat which is good for smaller kids as it helps them gain confidence but if these kids are serious about playing baseball (and at high school is when most kids stop playing baseball unless they are serious) they would have to switch to wood eventually anyway.
|
Yancy Street Gang Mar 14 2007 10:23 AM |
I agree with Namor's point. A 12-year-old kid can hit the ball plenty hard.
|
soupcan Mar 14 2007 10:37 AM |
||
But again, the balls wouldn't be hit as hard and, as sharpie said, the balls themselves aren't as hard. Could a LLer get hurt as a result of a kid using a metal bat instead of a wood one? Absolutely but the risk is simply not as great as it is for older kids.
My kid is 10, been playing LL for 6 years now and I pretty much know all the kids, coaches and parents. There are kids that aren't as good as others but I'd be hard pressed to name one kid who is on a team and doesn't want to be. I'm sure that situation does exist somewhere but I don't think its nearly as prevalent as you surmise.
|
Edgy DC Mar 14 2007 10:41 AM |
I didn't realize Namor's point was to hold the floor.
|
sharpie Mar 14 2007 10:46 AM |
Yet the Prospect Park Baseball Association (which, I am told, has the largest group of players in the whole country) has voluntarily gone along with the ruling, extending it to middle school kids. This would also apply to other organizations that PPBA teams play which means that basically all organized baseball in Brooklyn will be played with wooden bats once the kids are 12 or so.
|
soupcan Mar 14 2007 10:49 AM |
I've gotta say though, that the lower levels of LL could absolutely use wood bats. Their concern, I gather, is that the bats break and they are costly to replace.
|