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KC Mar 06 2007 05:47 PM

I haven't had a chance to read or hear too much about this, but is it just so lopsided that there will be an investigation? We get a Jones (and a not too bad a pick) for a decent pick with the stipulation that he can be extended and then he's signed the next day? Jets needed another RB and they get Jones for that? Pinch me, if they can pull off a draft like last year, oh brother ... The New York Jets announced today that they have acquired RB Thomas Jones and the 63rd selection in the 2007 NFL Draft from the Chicago Bears in exchange for the 37th selection in the 2007 NFL Draft. The Jets also announced they have signed Jones to a contract extension. The announcements were made by Jets’ General Manager Mike Tannenbaum. The 37th selection was originally acquired by the Jets from the Washington Redskins during the 2006 NFL Draft. “Thomas Jones is an experienced running back who has a bright future in the NFL,” Tannenbaum said. “I expect he will increase the versatility and productivity of our offense.” Jones, originally the seventh selection in the 2000 NFL Draft from Virginia, has gained 5,384 yards and 34 touchdowns in seven seasons with the Bears, Buccaneers and Cardinals. “Thomas Jones is going to be able to contribute to the New York Jets, as a player and as a person,” said Head Coach Eric Mangini. “He is an experienced running back who has been productive with his talents on the field and his intangibles in the locker room. Thomas will have the opportunity to compete to make significant contributions to the Jets offense this season, and I am pleased he has become a part of our football team.” Jones was an important part of the Bears’ 2006 run to Super Bowl XLI, gaining 1,210 yards on the ground and scoring six touchdowns. He had two 100-yard games in the 2006 NFL playoffs, including 112 yards rushing in the Super Bowl. He gained a career-high 1,335 yards on 314 carries (4.3 yards per rush) and nine touchdowns in 2005. “I’d like to thank Mr. Johnson and Mike Tannenbaum for making me a part of the organization,” Jones said. “I am proud to be a member of the New York Jets and I look forward to getting the chance to work with Coach Mangini and Coach Schottenheimer and my new teammates.”

Nymr83 Mar 06 2007 06:54 PM

its a great deal. why cant the knicks have a GM/coach tandem like Tandenbeum/Mangini? the jets still have their own 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks as well as thr 2nd round pick they got back in this deal. they traded away a high 2nd rounder (that i'm unsure how they originally got)

metirish Mar 06 2007 08:06 PM

Jones asked to be traded,still it's a steal.

Frayed Knot Mar 06 2007 09:20 PM

The pick they dealt was originally Washington's (came in the Santana Moss deal maybe?) which is why it's so low. And obviously da Bears' pick is so high since they went to the Super Bowl. So the whole thing doesn't sound quite as lopsided if you look at this as dealing a pick that is almost a 1st rounder and getting back one that's nearly a 3rd rounder ... but most still seem to think they got the guy fairly cheap.

sharpie Mar 07 2007 06:59 AM

Even without getting the Bears' pick it's a good deal.

Nymr83 Mar 07 2007 01:35 PM

sharpie wrote: Even without getting the Bears' pick it's a good deal. yeah i think that is the point here. i'd have given up the first pick in the second round for the guy and not blinked (not that the jets had that pick)

Nymr83 Apr 10 2007 04:23 PM

]Restricted free agent defensive back Randall Gay is scheduled to visit the Jets beginning Monday night and all day Tuesday. oh god... the papers would have non-stop fun with this guy

Kid Carsey Apr 10 2007 04:31 PM

Some message board posters might, I doubt the NY papers would.

Nymr83 Apr 10 2007 05:17 PM

"Gay and jolly, Jets corner picks off pass to end final drive" of course, it'll be in that little green band on top of the post's backpage, because the page itself is reserved for the Giants on mondays no matter which team did what on Sunday.

Vic Sage Apr 17 2007 10:34 AM

They've signed 4 or 5 defensive lineman this off-season. I'm hoping this marks a return to the 4-3 defense, which will put our best defensive player, Vilma, back in his comfort zone at MLB. I think Mangini has got to create schemes that maximize the talent on hand, not try to squeeze the talent into a pre-ordained system. As far as the draft, their needs (as of today): - a pass-catching TE - a pass rushing DE or OLB - a shutdown CB - a breakaway WR - a bulldozing FB But i just hope they take the best available guy with their top few picks, and not overreach based on perceived need. Needs change, but talent is always worth something... if not to you, then to another team.

Willets Point Apr 17 2007 12:24 PM

Nymr83 wrote: ]Restricted free agent defensive back Randall Gay is scheduled to visit the Jets beginning Monday night and all day Tuesday. oh god... the papers would have non-stop fun with this guy Does he go by Randy, because that would double the funniness?

Vic Sage Apr 30 2007 11:55 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Apr 30 2007 03:57 PM

NFL draft nets the jets quality over quantity. In addition to their draft pick deal for RB Thomas Jones, the Jets now have: Rd# 1 (14th pick) DARRELLE REVIS (CB) http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/revis_darrelle - "Revis is not only a physical shutdown cornerback, but he also excels as a punt returner. A 2006 Jim Thorpe Award (nation's top defensive back) semifinalist, he is a versatile defender, having made a successful move to right cornerback from the left side before his final senior season...first-team All-Big East Conference CB flashed blazing speed in his workouts. Very good size. Talented, quick, hard-hitting. His footwork needs work, but not his athleticism or instincts." Rd#2 (47th pick) DAVID HARRIS (ILB) http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/harris_david - "A solid if not spectacular all-around prospect who steadily improved his grade throughout his senior campaign, He has a few limitations in pass coverage -- better in zone than man-to-man -- but has terrific natural instincts and is especially adept at diagnosing the play quickly. Harris does not get out of position on misdirection plays, but sometimes lacks the foot speed to make the tackle on plays run to the wide side of the field. He could be removed in certain third-down situations early in his career, but he has the type of work ethic and dedication to improve as a pass defender over time. He brings intangibles to the position and will be a good character player for the locker room." Rd #6 (177th pick) JACOB BENDER (OT) http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/bender_jacob - "Bender emerged last year as one of the most dominant Left Offensive Tackles in the small college ranks, earning All-American, All-Louisiana and All-SLC honors. He is still a work in progress, but shows very good blocking ability for the ground game. He has minimal experience in pass protection, and while he is quick he needs to refine his footwork taking on edge rushers. His weight room strength doesn't always translate to the field. He will probably work inside while his body develops more bulk and power." Rd# 7 (235th pick) CHANSI STUCKEY (WR) http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/stuckey_chansi - "Stuckey is an excellent all-around athlete who has not only proven to be a breakaway threat as a receiver, but also has the explosiveness and strength to break tackles... built for speed, but has above-average power for his physique … dangerous open-field runner with the valid speed to threaten the deep secondary...very tough competitor who plays with effort and will go over the middle... Few college receivers possess the sure hands that Stuckey has, and he also displays a powerful arm for the option pass (can also be an emergency QB). He has been slow to recover from his broken foot in 2006, resulting in mediocre performances thereafter, but he ranked with the elite at this position before his injury."

Johnny Dickshot Apr 30 2007 11:58 AM

That's a pretty chansi 7th-round pick, I'd say.

Vic Sage Apr 30 2007 12:00 PM

yeah, i guess we're stuckeyd with that one...

Giant Squidlike Creature Aug 23 2007 08:15 PM

Squid gets no respect. The other thread gets locked.

Rockin' Doc Aug 23 2007 08:19 PM

Jets? You're discussing the Jets right now. Are you kidding me? There's a pretty good game happening right now. The Mets need your support in extras.

Kid Carsey Aug 23 2007 08:26 PM

When he gets his tentacles in an uproar it's best to just let him be.

Willets Point Aug 23 2007 08:38 PM

Rockin' Doc wrote: Jets? You're discussing the Jets right now. Are you kidding me? There's a pretty good game happening right now. The Mets need your support in extras. Sure blame the Squid again. It was KC and the Namor who want to talk Jets.

Rockin' Doc Aug 23 2007 08:45 PM

Carry on. Freakin' bullpen. So how about those Jets?

Nymr83 Aug 23 2007 11:40 PM

ITS FOOTBALL TIME!!! ie...a sport i can really gamble on, betting on baseball sucks.

MFS62 Aug 24 2007 06:21 AM

Bbbbuuuttttt. I wanted to post in the other thread. sniff. Later

Willets Point Aug 24 2007 07:09 AM

Nymr83 wrote: ITS FOOTBALL TIME!!! ie...a sport i can really gamble on, betting on baseball sucks. Just ask Pete Rose.

metirish Aug 24 2007 10:54 AM

Get your Jets fill right here..... http://www.newyorkjets.de/

Kid Carsey Aug 24 2007 11:04 AM

spreken zie deutsch, irish?

Willets Point Aug 24 2007 11:06 AM

metirish wrote: Get your Jets fill right here..... http://www.newyorkjets.de/ Ja!

metirish Aug 24 2007 11:30 AM

Kid Carsey wrote: spreken zie deutsch, irish? Nada....but I am betting that someone here does and that person will translate that site for me....

Nymr83 Aug 24 2007 12:17 PM

] Der erfolgreichste Spieler im ersten Pre Season Spiel gegen die Atlanta Falcons hei�t Kellen Clemens. Er warf drei Touchdowns und die Jets gewinnen mit 31-16. Der Angriff der GangGreen lief im ersten Quater nur �ber das Laufspiel. Clemons threw 3 touchdowns and fucked up the Falcons 31-16 ]Neuzugang Running Back Thomas Jones bekam oft den Ball um sich gut in der neuen Offense ein zu gew�hnen. Jones l�uft dabei 27 Yards in acht Laufversuchen und er erl�uft den einzigen Rushing Touchdown der Jets. Starting Quaterback Chad Pennington warf keinen Pass im Spiel. Die Fans mussten bis zum Ende des zweiten Quaters auf einen Pass von Kellen Clemens warten. Jones had 27 yards on 8 carries, at least he played. Pennington didn't do shit. ]Der Ball kam tief in der Spielh�lfte der Falcons zu Wide Receiver Justin McCareins. Kurz darauf konnten die Jets mit 14-10 in F�hrung gehen. In den beiden ersten Drives im dritten Quater konnten die Jets nochmals punkten. Zuerst legte Brad Smith mit einem 46 Yards Kickoff Return vor, den Running Back Leon Washington drei Spielz�ge sp�ter in einen Tochdown verwandelt. Im n�chsten Spielzug der Jets findet Clemens Rookie Wide Receiver Chansi Stuckey in der Endzone zum 21-13. Smith had a really long run-back. Some rookie I've never heard of caught a touchdown pass from Clemons. ]Quaterback Kellen Clemens hat gut gespielt und 16 von 22 f�r 174 Yards geworfen. Das Ergebnis waren drei Touchdowns und keine Interception. Running Back Danny Ware erl�uft mit 48 Yards in zw�lf L�ufen Team Bestleistung dieses Spiels. Leon Washington hat mit neun Versuchen nur 30 Yards geholt. Allerdings konnte er einen 86 Yards Kickoff Return erlaufen, der sp�ter zum ersten Touchdown der Jets f�hrte. RB Thomas Jones erreicht 27 Yards mit 8 L�ufen. Backup Tight End Sean Ryan f�ngt zwei Touchdown P�sse. Rookie Wide Receiver Chansi Stuckey f�ngt dreimal f�r 20 Yards und macht einen Touchdown. Auf der Defensive Seite war leider nicht so viel geboten. Safety Kerry Rhodes und LB Eric Barton sind mit vier Tackles zu nennen. Safety Drew Coleman f�ngt die einzige Interception im Spiel. Rookie Linebacker David Harris hat gute Ans�tze gezeigt. Linebacker Andre Wadsworth, der in der NFL wieder Fu� fassen will, machte auch ein gutes Spiel. Am n�chsten Freitag steht das n�chste Preseason Spiel gegen die Minnesota Vikings in den Meadowlands an.

Rhodes and Barton tackled people. Coleman had a pick, don't expect to see one in the regular season.

Jets-Vikings next week.

Elster88 Aug 27 2007 04:35 AM

Giant Squidlike Creature wrote: Always blame the Squid. You peeps wouldn't be able to find your head if it wasn't attached to your neck. It must be easier when your head is also your neck.

Willets Point Aug 27 2007 08:04 AM

Elster88 wrote: ="Giant Squidlike Creature"]Always blame the Squid. You peeps wouldn't be able to find your head if it wasn't attached to your neck. It must be easier when your head is also your neck. Good comeback.

Vic Sage Aug 28 2007 10:36 AM

The Jets handled the whole Pete Kendall situation very badly, and now they have a serious hole in the most important unit of the offense... the offensive line. Games are won and lost in the trenches, and the Jets now have a Maginot Line. Neither Clarke, Bender or anybody else in camp is prepared to step into the starting LG slot, and any free agent they pick up now won't have sufficient time to work within the unit that depends more on teamwork than any other part of the team. With Thomas Jones hurting, Pennington is going to have to carry more of the load at the beginning of the season, and he'll likely not be getting very much protection and time to do so. color me concerned.

Kid Carsey Aug 28 2007 02:28 PM

I'm concerned about the first two weeks regardless. Color mean GREEN hoping they can find a way to shock everyone week #1.

Vic Sage Sep 05 2007 03:25 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 06 2007 02:26 PM

2007-08 NY JETS ROSTER / DEPTH CHART http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/depth_charts/ OFFENSE (26) QB: Pennington, C / Clemens, K / Tuiasosopo, M / Smith, B (WR-KR-PR) HB: Jones, T / Washington, L (KR-PR) FB: Barnes, D / Tutt, S WR1: Coles, L / Smith, B (QB-KR-PR) / Wright, W WR2: Cotchery, J / McCareins, J / Stuckey, C* (KR-PR) TE: Baker, C / Ryan, S / Pociask, J / Kowalewski, J / Dearth (LS) LT: Ferguson, D / Jones, A (RT) LG: Bender, J* / Clarke, A C: Mangold, N / Smith, W (RG) RG: Moore, B / Smith, W (C) RT: Clement, A / Jones, A (LT) DEFENSE (25): LDE: Ellis, Shaun / Mosley, C.J. NT: Robertson, D / Pouha, S / DeVito, M* RDE: Coleman, K / Hicks, E LOLB: Thomas, B /Bowens, D LILB: Vilma, J / Kassell, B RILB: Barton, E / Harris, D* ROLB: Hobson, V / Spencer, C LCB: Dyson, A / Revis, D* (PR) / Coleman, D RCB: Barrett, D / Miller, J (KR) / Poteat, H SS: Rhodes, K / Washington, R FS: Coleman, E / Smith, E SPECIAL TEAMS (2): H/P: Graham, B K: Nugent, M PLUS: LS: Dearth, J (TE) KR: Miller, J (CB) / Washington, L (RB) / Smith, B (QB/WR) / Stuckey, C (WR) PR: Washington, L (RB) / Revis, D (CB) / Smith, B (QB/WR) / Stuckey, C (WR) * = rookie

Nymr83 Sep 05 2007 04:30 PM

isn't it unusual for a team's first and second round picks, both of whom they traded up to take, to not be on top of the depth chart?

Elster88 Sep 05 2007 04:40 PM

If you can come up with a list of times it did/did not happen, then you're a stud NFL fan.

Kid Carsey Sep 05 2007 04:44 PM

I expect Revis will climb quickly, and he should be buried as last with as much camp time he lost. Grab some pine, rook ... er, just get ready for the first third down snap ...

Vic Sage Sep 06 2007 09:20 AM

both harris and revis are likely to get alot of playing time, and both are expected to become starters during the course of the season. Also, Stuckey will probably emerge as a solid contributor, too. More problematic is that the rookie OT J.Bender IS starting, at a position he did not play in college, demonstrating the Jets' lack of depth on the offensive line.

MFS62 Sep 09 2007 02:32 PM

Shitfuck. To win, a team has to be able to run and stop the run. This team has a ways to go to be able to do either. Later

Nymr83 Sep 09 2007 10:00 PM

the pass-rush was non-existent today. the running game wasn't there either. the o-line looked fine to me except for one disgusting play where Pennington was sacked quickly with only 3 men rushing, it was the left tackle's fault. Bender missed the game, i didn't see anything to complain about in Clark, but didn't see him do anything memorable either. Barrett SUCKS, when Dyson is healthy it should be him and Revis all year. Did Harris play at all? if so i didn't see him oh and i hated all that empty-backfield shit... its bad enough having no running game, you don't have to compound the problem by telling the patriots "we're not running" and also not having a back in for pass protection.

Vic Sage Sep 10 2007 08:43 AM

WEEKLY SCORE / SCHEDULE http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nyj/schedule;_ylt=Ahg28A51LAjYZY5_ITy2wpeQ2bYF Game 1: Sun, Sep 9 / New England L 14-38 Game 2: Sun, Sep 16 / @ Baltimore / 4:15 pm (CBS) Game 3: Sun, Sep 23 / Miami / 1:00 pm (CBS) Game 4: Sun, Sep 30 / @ Buffalo / 1:00 pm (CBS) Game 5: Sun, Oct 7 / @ NY Giants / 1:00 pm (CBS) Game 6: Sun, Oct 14 / Philadelphia / 1:00 pm (FOX) game 7: Sun, Oct 21 / @ Cincinnati / 4:05 pm (CBS) Game 8: Sun, Oct 28 / Buffalo / 4:05 pm (CBS) Game 9: Sun, Nov 4 / Washington / 1:00 pm (FOX) --- BYE WEEK -- -- -- Game 10: Sun, Nov 18 / Pittsburgh / 1:00 pm (CBS) Game 11: Thu, Nov 22 [thanksgiving day] / @ Dallas / 4:15 pm (CBS) Game 12: Sun, Dec 2 / @ Miami / 1:00 pm (CBS) Game 13: Sun, Dec 9 / Cleveland / 4:15 pm (CBS) Game 14: Sun, Dec 16 / @ New England / 1:00 pm (CBS) Game 15: Sun, Dec 23 / @ Tennessee / 4:15 pm (CBS) Game 16: Sun, Dec 30 / Kansas City 8:15 pm (NBC)

Vic Sage Sep 10 2007 08:44 AM

Nymr83 wrote: the o-line looked fine to me... When your quarterback gets sacked 5 times, and you average 3 yards per carry, your o-line is not "fine".

metirish Sep 10 2007 08:53 AM

Did the fans really cheer when Chad went down injured,I didn't see it but the guys on the FAN said they did and Chris Collinsworth let the Jets fans have it last night on NBC....

Nymr83 Sep 10 2007 11:06 AM

Vic Sage wrote: ="Nymr83"] the o-line looked fine to me... When your quarterback gets sacked 5 times, and you average 3 yards per carry, your o-line is not "fine". maybe you weren't watching. the jets kept emptying out the backfield and NE brought the house, you're not going to stop that alot.

Nymr83 Sep 10 2007 11:07 AM

metirish wrote: Did the fans really cheer when Chad went down injured,I didn't see it but the guys on the FAN said they did and Chris Collinsworth let the Jets fans have it last night on NBC.... there was cheering, whether it was a dislike for pennington or a love for Clemens i don't know. the backup QB is always popular.

soupcan Sep 10 2007 12:55 PM

This booing/cheering for Pennington/Clemens is a big topic on WFAN today. I didn't watch the game, am not really a football fan and don't really care about this issue but hearing that Nance and Simms and Collinsworth and now the meatheads on FAN are taking those cheering/booing fans to task is too much. All these guys are saying that the fans 'showed no class' in cheeering Pennington being replaced by Clemens. That the fans should 'have more respect for what Pennington's done for the franchise'. Why? Why should the fans have any kind of respect towards these players at all? Listen, I wouldn't have done it and I'm not sure I understand why Jets fans did it. As far as I know Pennington has done a pretty good job for the Jets while he's been there. I'll tell you though its been a long time since professional athletes as a whole showed 'respect' and 'class' towards the fans. Athletes leave franchises and towns and fans that have invested their hearts into them for a dollar. The athletes don't respect the fans. They treat fans like shit when approached, they talk down to the media when interviewed. Again - I'm not advocating cheering a player's injury and subsequent replacement but I completely understand why they would and for these broadcasters and ex-athletes calling out the fans for that behavior is just ridiculous. You reap what you sow and while Pennington may be a stand-up guy he is a victim of the self-absorbed, over compensated, me-first culture that is prevelant among pro-atheletes.

Kid Carsey Sep 10 2007 01:27 PM

I was at the game and I think the cheering of Chad's injury is being way over-stated. There was some reaction to him getting hurt and certainly a swell of cheering that Clemens was coming in (there is a small contingent of Jets fans who think he should be the starter based on his pre-season -- pure silliness) and Chad was indeed booed a little when he came back. Chad gets premium money to take what drunk Jets fans dish out and I'm sure he's not nearly as affected as the muck stirring "analysts" seem to be.

Edgy DC Sep 10 2007 01:57 PM

soupcan wrote: Athletes leave franchises and towns and fans that have invested their hearts into them for a dollar. The athletes don't respect the fans. They treat fans like shit when approached, they talk down to the media when interviewed. You reap what you sow and while Pennington may be a stand-up guy he is a victim of the self-absorbed, over compensated, me-first culture that is prevelant among pro-atheletes. Is he a stand-up guy or isn't he?

soupcan Sep 10 2007 02:20 PM

I don't know. Is he? What's it matter?

Edgy DC Sep 10 2007 02:31 PM

Well, if he is, then he didn't, I guess, sew anything

Kid Carsey Sep 10 2007 02:51 PM

He is a stand up guy, has taken a beating and come back now a couple of times which isn't easy. A lot of Jets fans are just tired of him because he seems to have peaked and faded a bit, doesn't have that sixty yard bomb in his tool belt, and they've passed on some big name QB's in the draft to get guys who have been a little disappointing as far as 1st round impact and/or expectations go for non-sexy positions that are just as (if not more) important. At the very least, he deserves a quarter season or so to right the ship be- fore getting booed in the home opener against the best team in the AFC. Too many people are listening to overly-mic'd up crowd noise on the seven speaker surround sound if they thought the reaction was too much yesterday. I guess Collinsworth ripped the fans a bunch last night, Steven A was going off today on the radio ... *yawn* ... I didn't even think about putting on the Dynamnot Duo today or that yuckster Yankee cock smoker up the dial to see if it continues.

soupcan Sep 10 2007 03:04 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Well, if he is, then he didn't, I guess, sew anything He may not have sowed anything individually but the pro-athlete in general certainly has and that's the point I'm trying to make. Why are these announcers and radio personalities shocked (Shocked!) when the fans show little or no respect to the athlete when the athletes seemingly more times than not show no respect to the fans? I'm not stunned at all. As a matter of fact I think that to some degree its refreshing to see the fans give it back to the athletes.

Kid Carsey Sep 10 2007 03:33 PM

Problem with calling it refreshing is that there really aren't too many guys on the Jets (actually, I can't think of any) that deserve to be lashed out at in week one by being booed at the home opener in payback for the said "self-absorbed, over compensated, me-first culture." The one they got rid of a week or so ago came back to bite them in the ass yesterday. Chad would be on the low end of that totem pole if it existed which way be why the media is rushing to his defense. I think it's more just to have some- thing to kvetch about and get everyone all worked up though.

Edgy DC Sep 10 2007 07:29 PM

Great, now I look like the one who can't spell "sow." I've apparently stumbled into a joke I just can't get. I'll stay out of NFL threads. Excuse me while I go let Michelle Kwan have it because Michael Vick is a jerk.

Nymr83 Sep 10 2007 07:50 PM

KC- i've been happy with every Jets draft pick the last 4 or 5 years except the stupid trade of a pick for doug jolley. on pennington- he doesnt deserve booing, but i think he's not better than average. if the jets fall out of contention i'd want to see Clemens.

Rockin' Doc Sep 10 2007 07:55 PM

Nymr, I would have thought that it would be nearly impossible for you to cheer for Clemens.

Nymr83 Sep 10 2007 08:04 PM

only if he's pitching for team USA in the world baseball classic. unless that was some joke about Kellen Clemens that i didn't get.

Elster88 Sep 10 2007 09:30 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Sep 10 2007 11:15 PM

Never mind. This argument will go in circles until the end of time.

Elster88 Sep 10 2007 09:34 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 10 2007 11:15 PM

Never mind. This argument will go in circles until the end of time.

Edgy DC Sep 10 2007 09:45 PM

The more I re-read, the more I'm confused. Meanwhile, one of those self-absorbed, over compensated, me-first pro athletes ends up paralyzed.

Kid Carsey Sep 11 2007 05:01 AM

Ny: >>>KC- i've been happy with every Jets draft pick the last 4 or 5 years except the stupid trade of a pick for doug jolley. on pennington- he doesnt deserve booing, but i think he's not better than average. if the jets fall out of contention i'd want to see Clemens.<<< I'll give you "relatively" happy, but SOME fans don't think that, for example, D'Brick and Dewayne for two, have panned out worthy of such high picks. Clemens will get a shot, probably sooner than later. Elster, you're one tough bird to figure out.

Rockin' Doc Sep 11 2007 06:41 AM

Nymr - "...if the jets fall out of contention i'd want to see Clemens." RD - "Nymr, I would have thought that it would be nearly impossible for you to cheer for Clemens." Nymr - "only if he's pitching for team USA in the world baseball classic. unless that was some joke about Kellen Clemens that i didn't get." I was attempting, obviously not too successfully, to make light of the fact that the Jets back up QB, Kellen Clemens, shares a common last name with a widely disliked pitcher from the darkside of town. Now Jets fans, a large contingency of whom are also Mets fans, will find themselves cheering for someone named Clemens. Something that most would view unthinkable in their baseball fandom. Oh, never mind, it was pretty lame and stupid. I must remember, RMPL.

MFS62 Sep 11 2007 07:02 AM

The Jet d-line was lined up so far off the line of scrimmage that I thought I was watching a Canadian Football League game. (mandatory one yard off the ball) That, and the fact that the Jets defensive linemen looked light and small. OK, Mangini, we get it. You like smart, quick and fast players. But once in a while can't this team have a killer type monster or two up front? Later

Nymr83 Sep 11 2007 11:37 AM

]I'll give you "relatively" happy, but SOME fans don't think that, for example, D'Brick and Dewayne for two, have panned out worthy of such high picks. it is too early, imo, to call Ferguson a bust. I liked Robertson when they drafted him, he hasn't entirely worked out, but he was drafted to play in the 4-3... you can't fit round pegs in square holes and i think thats what the jets are doing with the 3-4

Kid Carsey Sep 11 2007 12:28 PM

Great Leon's Ghost, I'm not calling anyone a bust. SOME SOME SOME ...

Kid Carsey Sep 11 2007 12:36 PM

Perhaps we should move on to week two ... Baltimore looked like crap last night ... cost me winning fifty person pool I'm in for the week.

metirish Sep 12 2007 06:30 AM

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10346460

Nymr83 Sep 12 2007 06:51 AM

fuckin cheating bastards. i'd love to see them lose picks.

Edgy DC Sep 12 2007 06:56 AM

Robert Kraft wrote: "There is an investigation going on now, and perhaps an adjudication of it, and I think it would be inappropriate at this time to make any comment. When you're successful in anything, a lot of people like to try to take you down and do different things. We understand that." Robert, that's a comment.

Nymr83 Sep 16 2007 08:58 AM

i like the patriots punishment, but wheres the suspension for Belicheat? anyway, Jets are 10 point dogs in baltimore today and likely without Chad... this is either going to be an ugly loss or the beginning of the best off-field entertainment in football- quarterback controversy

Nymr83 Sep 16 2007 02:52 PM

Nugent boots a 50-yarder with distance to spare. Jets look bad again on Defense and theres no Brady/Moss this time.

Nymr83 Sep 16 2007 05:01 PM

Clemens just put a nice TD drive together, down 7 with about 4 mins to play

Kid Carsey Sep 16 2007 05:26 PM

*&^%!

Nymr83 Sep 16 2007 05:29 PM

Fucking McCareins needs to be fucking released, how many times can you blow the game on one drive? this guy has been shit since he left tennessee Clemens was great in the 4th. FUCK FUCK FUCK

Willets Point Sep 16 2007 07:02 PM

Wow, Clemens plays football now too. Of all the dramatic things...

HahnSolo Sep 17 2007 07:10 AM

First pass to McCareins - HAS to be caught Pass in end zone to Coles right after COULD have been caught Pass in end zone to McCareins SHOULD have been caught. Clemens looked a little unsteady early, but I thought showed quite a bit of poise in the second half. And the touchdown pass to Baker was a thing of beauty. The Jets might not like to hear it, but the QB situation is going to be an issue the rest of the season.

Vic Sage Sep 17 2007 10:44 AM

]The Jets might not like to hear it, but the QB situation is going to be an issue the rest of the season. not if pennington comes back and they start winning. I think Chad comes back next week against Dolphins, and i think he puts up "W". Still, i think the transition has begun and its comforting to know that we've got an heir apparent. Now if we only had an O-line to protect him and establish a running game, and a D-line to put some pressure on the QB, then maybe we'd have something. We're losing in the trenches, folks. And its time to see more Brad Smith and less McCareins.

Vic Sage Sep 17 2007 10:46 AM

WEEKLY SCORE / SCHEDULE http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nyj/schedule;_ylt=Ahg28A51LAjYZY5_ITy2wpeQ2bYF Game 1: Sun, Sep 9 / New England = L 14-38 Game 2: Sun, Sep 16 / @ Baltimore = L 13-20 Game 3: Sun, Sep 23 / Miami / 1:00 pm (CBS) Game 4: Sun, Sep 30 / @ Buffalo / 1:00 pm (CBS) Game 5: Sun, Oct 7 / @ NY Giants / 1:00 pm (CBS) Game 6: Sun, Oct 14 / Philadelphia / 1:00 pm (FOX) game 7: Sun, Oct 21 / @ Cincinnati / 4:05 pm (CBS) Game 8: Sun, Oct 28 / Buffalo / 4:05 pm (CBS) Game 9: Sun, Nov 4 / Washington / 1:00 pm (FOX) --- BYE WEEK -- -- -- Game 10: Sun, Nov 18 / Pittsburgh / 1:00 pm (CBS) Game 11: Thu, Nov 22 [thanksgiving day] / @ Dallas / 4:15 pm (CBS) Game 12: Sun, Dec 2 / @ Miami / 1:00 pm (CBS) Game 13: Sun, Dec 9 / Cleveland / 4:15 pm (CBS) Game 14: Sun, Dec 16 / @ New England / 1:00 pm (CBS) Game 15: Sun, Dec 23 / @ Tennessee / 4:15 pm (CBS) Game 16: Sun, Dec 30 / Kansas City 8:15 pm (NBC)

HahnSolo Sep 17 2007 11:51 AM

="Vic Sage"] ]We're losing in the trenches, folks. Ferguson has looked shaky these two games. On D, Thomas, Robertson, and Vilma are not suited to where they play in the 3-4. Nymr83 Sep 18 2007 02:57 PM Justin Miller is out for the year. Kid Carsey Sep 28 2007 05:20 PM There was just a blurb on espnews that there is a class action suit filed on behalf of Jets' season ticket holders that the eight games that the Patriots have played against the Jets since Belecheat left were under fraudulent conditions or something. Seeking $184,000,000. I suppose I could have posted this in the news of the weird thread instead of dragging up the Jets' thread. Nymr83 Sep 29 2007 12:10 AM thats pretty funny. the thread needed to be dragged up anyway, time to beat the snot out of Buffalo. Nymr83 Sep 30 2007 12:01 PM Andre Dyson with an INT in the endzone! Nymr83 Sep 30 2007 12:46 PM on the BUF 13, Illegal Motion, 81 offense! can mccareins ever do anything right? Nymr83 Sep 30 2007 01:30 PM After falling behind 17-7 the Jets pretty much walked down the field for a TD, its 17-14 with about 3:00 to play. Nymr83 Sep 30 2007 01:37 PM Revis punches loose a 3rd down catch and the Jets will get a shot to drive and tie it Nymr83 Sep 30 2007 01:44 PM Pennington picked off to end it. Jets 1-3. Vic Sage Oct 01 2007 08:50 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 09 2007 08:59 AM WEEKLY SCORE / SCHEDULE http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nyj/schedule;_ylt=Ahg28A51LAjYZY5_ITy2wpeQ2bYF Game 1: Sun, Sep 9 / New England = [L] 14-38 Game 2: Sun, Sep 16 / @ Baltimore = [L] 13-20 Game 3: Sun, Sep 23 / Miami = [W] 31-28 Game 4: Sun, Sep 30 / @ Buffalo = [L] 14-17 Game 5: Sun, Oct 7 / @ NY Giants = [L] 24-35 Game 6: Sun, Oct 14 / Philadelphia / 1:00 pm (FOX) game 7: Sun, Oct 21 / @ Cincinnati / 4:05 pm (CBS) Game 8: Sun, Oct 28 / Buffalo / 4:05 pm (CBS) Game 9: Sun, Nov 4 / Washington / 1:00 pm (FOX) --- BYE WEEK -- -- -- Game 10: Sun, Nov 18 / Pittsburgh / 1:00 pm (CBS) Game 11: Thu, Nov 22 [thanksgiving day] / @ Dallas / 4:15 pm (CBS) Game 12: Sun, Dec 2 / @ Miami / 1:00 pm (CBS) Game 13: Sun, Dec 9 / Cleveland / 4:15 pm (CBS) Game 14: Sun, Dec 16 / @ New England / 1:00 pm (CBS) Game 15: Sun, Dec 23 / @ Tennessee / 4:15 pm (CBS) Game 16: Sun, Dec 30 / Kansas City 8:15 pm (NBC)

Benjamin Grimm Oct 01 2007 08:59 AM

Phuck the Jets.

Kid Carsey Oct 01 2007 05:54 PM

The Jets are phucked.

Nymr83 Oct 01 2007 08:37 PM

this schedule doesnt look too bad, the team could still go 9-7 imo with losses to New England, Dallas, and 2 others somewhere along the way. i know theres no reason to be confident in that happening, i'm just saying the season ain't over yet.

Kid Carsey Oct 06 2007 06:05 PM

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Johnny Dickshot Oct 07 2007 01:39 PM

Freakin Jets. What was that?

MFS62 Oct 07 2007 02:04 PM

Fuck! The nail in the coffin. To me, the Jets losing to the Jints is worse than the Mets losing while the Yanks are winning. Later

Kid Carsey Oct 07 2007 02:29 PM

I'm changing Chad's name to Thud. Thud Pennington! � 2007, Carsey LLC

Rockin' Doc Oct 07 2007 03:14 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 07 2007 08:34 PM

Penington had a bad game today, but the failure the Jets this season shouldn't be laid at this feet. The total lack of a running game is what makes the Jets offense truly offensive. edited for spelling. Where the hell did I get the word layed from?

Kid Carsey Oct 07 2007 03:26 PM

Thud has ended all hope for wins two weeks in a row with his propensity to throw interceptions. The Jets were playing a well rounded game, the de- fense scored, special teams scored, and the offense scored. He was well protected for most of the game, they ran some trick plays, they were win- ning. The air ball whirly dying toss for the first interception was inexcusable. The second one is a little more excusable, but I'm done with him.

Nymr83 Oct 07 2007 05:48 PM

the lack of a run-defense was the biggest problem in this embarassing game

Kid Carsey Oct 07 2007 06:04 PM

Horseshit. Mistakes and turnovers are much worse for a team that needs a win and has one in their grasp and their supposed leader throws that first interception. Watch it again. Watch it a third time. Dumb. I'm not emotionally married to the Jets like the Mets, so don't mistake my rage. I'm just pissed off and it will pass upon waking tomorrow*. I didn't go off on last weeks stupid interception because it was a black Sunday of dif- ferent sorts and I just let it go -- the guy has no zip and has to be perfect and he ain't getting it done. * a Yankee loss will make it pass tonight.

Nymr83 Oct 07 2007 06:38 PM

]Horseshit. Mistakes and turnovers are much worse for a team that needs a win and has one in their grasp and their supposed leader throws that first interception. Watch it again. Watch it a third time. Dumb. turnovers suck, but they can be overcome. giving up 4.8 yards per carry while carrying for 2.2 is how you lose football games. jacobs and ward walked all over the jet defense, and they even let manning scramble for some decent gains. pennington did suck, he had plenty of time all game to throw, but those same blockers couldn't open up holes for the running backs.

Kid Carsey Oct 07 2007 06:47 PM

I knew you would throw me a bunch of numbers down to the decimals. Thud blew the game with interceptions. Last week too. Thud.

MFS62 Oct 08 2007 04:24 PM

Then how about this? It looks like the only thing I have to look forward to this season is seeing the old Titans of New York (American Football League) unis again this weekend. After that - the abyss. Later

Vic Sage Oct 09 2007 09:06 AM

they are losing in the trenches. they can't run because the O-line can't block, so Jones has no holes to hit and they abandon the run. Thud is being asked to win the game in the air. This task is made harder because the D-line puts no pressure on the QB and can't stop the run, so they give up yards and minutes and points and Thud has to bring his team back at the end of games, against defenses that know he is going to pass. He doesn't have the arm to do that. But the fact that he HAS to do that is not his fault. Its all about the lines, guys. They saved $1m by letting Kendall go. How is that working out, Mr. Tannenbaum? And they traded up to get Revis and Harris, when there biggest off-season need was a pass rush. Way to go, Mike. This team is badly constructed. this is Tannenbaum's fault.

metirish Oct 11 2007 02:26 PM

[url=http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spglaub115409013oct11,0,5086589.column]Five easy ways to fix the Jets[/url]

Nymr83 Oct 12 2007 09:43 AM

you might be right about trading up for harris but they really did need revis and i like him so far. barrett is atrocious out there. what happened to Rhodes blitzing? he seemed to do it a few times a game last year, i can't remember seeing it this year (though i'm sure its happened but with far less frequency)

Vic Sage Oct 12 2007 10:38 AM

i like Revis, too, but you can mask a weak secondary with a strong pass rush. But NO secondary, no matter how good, can stop a QB who has all the time in the world to make a play. You can only cover a guy for so long. So the greater need was (and remains) creating a defense that pressures the QB. Rhodes is being underutilized. And the 3-4 changed Vilma's value, thus diminishing the contribution of one of the better players on the team. I'm not a big fan of "system" coaches. You develop a system based on the talent at hand... you don't force the talent at hand into your preconceived system. Billy Martin managed differently in Minny then he did in Texas then he did in NY. He found out what his guys did best and built his strategies around that. That was why he was great. I realize the role of the coach in football is different than in baseball, and systems predominate, but forcing the Jets into a 3-4 was stupid.

Nymr83 Oct 12 2007 01:05 PM

the entire D-line doesn't belong in a 3-4 either. Robertson especially.

Nymr83 Oct 14 2007 11:04 AM

I love these New York Titans uniforms.

Nymr83 Oct 14 2007 11:28 AM

stop missing field goals!!!!

Nymr83 Oct 14 2007 12:59 PM

Chad picked off again, there wasn't even pressure on him it was just flat out underthrown.

Kid Carsey Oct 14 2007 01:00 PM

A poorly thrown football will get intercepted in the NFL. Rinse. Repeat. Week after week.

Nymr83 Oct 14 2007 01:23 PM

the defense comes up with a big pick, but the offense settles for 3.

Kid Carsey Oct 14 2007 01:58 PM

Well, there goes any hopes of getting to .500 by week eight -- if anyone had any. They gotta change quarterbacks soon, or everyone will start turning on Mangenius for being pig-headed in the face what needs to be done NOW!!! Thud, the momentum killer.

Nymr83 Oct 14 2007 02:05 PM

at 1-5 its usually safe to pronounce a football season D-E-A-D. nows the time to switch QBs if the Jets believe Clemens is or might be their QB of the future, because even if Pennington gave you the best chance to win this year (experience) this year is a lost cause and its time to get the other guy experience so that next isn't a lost cause as well.

MFS62 Oct 14 2007 03:02 PM

Nymr83 wrote: I love these New York Titans uniforms. And I did when they originally wore them in the Polo Grounds. Later

Nymr83 Oct 14 2007 05:59 PM

Testaverde 20/33, 206 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT.... i'm just saying...

Vic Sage Oct 15 2007 08:16 AM

J-E-T-S SUCK! SUCK! SUCK!

Nymr83 Oct 21 2007 05:04 PM

the Jets blew a 23-10 lead, and is it any suprise that the game ended on Pennington getting picked off on yet another under-thrown pass?

Vic Sage Oct 23 2007 08:22 AM

when that happened, they were down by 8 with a minute to play and no timeouts. It was a situation with a very low likelihood of success for any QB, and it was the defense's fault they were in that situation, not Pennington, who ended up with over 110 QB rating for the game. On the other hand, given the standings, i have no problem with turning the team over to Clemens at this point. Just don't expect miracles, because they still will have the same guys in the trenches. Once again, neither line did the job. The o-line gave up significant sacks and pressures and created no running lanes. The d-line was totally invisible.

Nymr83 Oct 23 2007 10:41 AM

my problem isnt "how dare the jets not score with 1 minute and no timeouts" my problem is that he really underthrew that pass and its a chronic problem for him... he doesnt have the arm strength.

Edgy DC Oct 23 2007 11:02 AM

I don't know what I'm talking about, but it seems to me the Jets have made history this year. By successfully pleading their case against the Patriots, they have turned New England into a juggernaut of historic proportions. I've seeen great teams pile up great records and storm through the playoffs --- the 14-2 'Niners, the 15-1 Bears --- but they all have regular-season letdown or two that keeps them from piling up the perfect record. The Pats are a smited beast that just runs up the score on everybody. You think we do this by cheating? Bite me. We're beating you by 30.

Nymr83 Oct 23 2007 11:15 AM

we'll see what records they actually break, i think Brady will break the passing TDs record and Moss may come close to the receiving TDs record. scoring tends to slow down as it gets cold out, but with belicheat running the score up with last second touchdowns with a double digit lead at least twice so far the all-time scoring record might be in jeopardy. someone should really give Brady a strong cheapshot or three to punish the patriots for running the score up. it would be worth the 15 yards to see him flat on his ass clutching his knee or something

metirish Oct 24 2007 10:26 AM

From a Newsday Blog. ] By Tom Rock Mangini announced this morning that Chad Pennington is the starting quarterback this weekend. Following his evaluation during the last two days, Mangini said he liked Pennington's decision-making as well as his play-making, pointing to his 5-yard scramble on third-and-5 ("Classic Chad," he said) and the Jets' final TD and 2-point conversion with no time remaining. Mangini said it was tempting to not make an announcement -- "very tempting" -- but he wanted to "move forward and get this issue behind us." Mangini also noted that Jonathan Vilma will not practice today and will undergo further tests on his knee, injured during the game. Vilma had denied reports that he was injured, calling his sporatic playing time on Sunday a coach's decision. Mangini agreed, saying he's the coach and he made the decision, but that it was based on the injury impacting Vilma's performance.

Nymr83 Oct 24 2007 11:20 AM

offseason to-do list: 1. trade Pennington for whatever draft pick he can get. 2. go back to the 4-3, if Mangini won't do it find someone who will. Robertson and Vilma are ill-suited to play the 3-4 and were both good in the 4-3. the defensive ends cant really play in the 3-4 either, we're just not big enough. 2a. sign/draft another DT to play next to Robertson in the 4-3, Poahlu or whoever else is on the roster wont cut it. 3. upgrade at LG (unless Clarke/Bender look good the rest of the way) i'm not picking on LG particularly because i dont know that its their fault, but the Center is undisputably a good player, as is the RT in my opinion. the LT is a recent 1st round draft choice so that seems the obvious place to go. 4. i love the rookie Revis, but Dyson and especially Barrett are incompetent 5. find a 3rd reliable receiver, McCareins has completely lost everyone's confidence and the brad smith gimmicks are old even if he's useful

metirish Oct 25 2007 12:58 PM

Not good news on Vilma. ] BY TOM ROCK | tom.rock@newsday.com While the Jets have made no formal announcement, they are preparing for Sunday's game against the Bills without Jonathan Vilma, and there appears to be a strong possibility that they will be without the inside linebacker and defensive captain for a while. Tests on Vilma's knee reportedly revealed a "significant" injury that could require surgery and sideline the Pro Bowler for the season. In his daily briefing, Eric Mangini offered little in the way of an update on Vilma, refusing to even disclose which was the problem knee. He did confirm that Vilma will not practice today, the second-straight day he will miss.

Nymr83 Oct 25 2007 02:01 PM

i don't blame mangini for not telling which knee it is, why let opponents know where to hit him if he does play or when he does return? if theres even a chance that surgery is required i'd shut him down right now and get it done... you don't want him at less than 100% in training camp as a result of trying to gut it out at 1-6.

Nymr83 Oct 28 2007 09:54 PM

missed the entire game, i had better things to do, watching paint dry might have been better judging by the box score. silver lining: the Defense held an admittedly terrible team down all day except for one play. their longest rush was 10 yards and they averaged 3.1, i feel like the jet D was ok for once, but i didnt see the game and hey its only against the bills

Elster88 Oct 29 2007 06:15 PM

[url=http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/articles/show/1778-clemens-will-step-under-center-do-my-best-]Clemens is starting next week[/url]

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2007 07:30 PM

]Clemens is starting next week Does he get to go home between starts?

Nymr83 Oct 29 2007 08:49 PM

yeah, and they also anounced that Chad will be starting again next year with Clemens joining the team after the bye week for only 20 million dollars

Nymr83 Nov 04 2007 11:04 AM

Washington opens the game with his 3rd kickoff return TD of the year.... any guesses on how the Jets will blow it?

Nymr83 Nov 04 2007 01:28 PM

Jets led 17-3 but its now 20-17 Washington in the 4th

Kid Carsey Nov 04 2007 01:33 PM

When an offensive lineman tackles a defender, isn't that holding? Siragusa says it's a breakdown in the defense with his telestrator after that Portis thirty yard run. The guy is a fucking roving salami head.

Fman99 Nov 05 2007 06:46 AM

God does my Jets team suck this year. No breaks for me in 2007. Hopefully Syracuse basketball will give me something positive to root about, sports-wise, before the 2008 baseball season starts.

Nymr83 Nov 05 2007 10:11 AM

now seriously looking at the 1st pick in next year's draft, come on miami, win a game.

MFS62 Nov 05 2007 10:32 AM

Nymr83 wrote: now seriously looking at the 1st pick in next year's draft, come on miami, win a game. Miami would probably go for the highest rated QB or other offensive player. So might the Rams. The Jets will be able to get a defensive lineman when their turn comes around. And man, do they need a lot of them. The words that should NOT be part of the same sentence in the press release about that pick are "we hope to convert him into....". If they're going to stay with the 3-4 defense (bad mistake IMO) it had better be a true nose tackle or a pro-ready DE. I don't want them drafting a college DE and then hope the kid can play LB. Same for offensive linemen. No more college tackles, hoping they can turn them into pro guards. The team needs to draft players who can play immediately. Later

Vic Sage Nov 12 2007 08:48 AM

Jets played their best game of the year yesterday.

Nymr83 Nov 12 2007 11:16 AM

they looked great. that was the first sunday this year that i didn't see the defensive line get overpowered while a mediocre runner racked up over a hundred yards.

Kid Carsey Nov 18 2007 04:15 PM

Tied with the Almighty Steelers after three quarters. Where did this offensive line come from? Who are these guys? Can it last another quarter to bite the office pools in the ass? (I took Pitts in the office pool)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 18 2007 05:15 PM

That 16 guy shoulda caught that pass in the end zone. I mean, geez. Oh, we win anyway. Yay

Kid Carsey Nov 18 2007 05:24 PM

I don't know much about Smith, but I swear early in the year he was listed as a 3rd or 4th QB in the program when I checked because the low number made me look it up. But yes, he has at times have brick hands.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 18 2007 05:45 PM

Drove me crazy. Just a great touch on that pass -- nobody had a shot at it except Smith, and he was there in plenty of time. Way to look glory in the face and reject it, meat. If I'm in charge I sell his ass to the Arena League.

Fman99 Nov 18 2007 08:24 PM

A win is a win. Good stuff.

Frayed Knot Nov 18 2007 08:24 PM

Kid Carsey wrote: I don't know much about Smith, but I swear early in the year he was listed as a 3rd or 4th QB in the program when I checked because the low number made me look it up. Yeah, wasn't he the guy they used at QB for one play where he ran an option roll out?

Elster88 Nov 19 2007 05:52 AM

Nice game. This is the kinda win we got last year.

Elster88 Nov 19 2007 06:05 AM

Kid Carsey wrote: Where did this offensive line come from? Who are these guys? I wonder how much Clemens is helping the run game. Clemens isn't necessarily looking like the next Elway, but he can hit the 10 yard out that Chad can't anymore.

Elster88 Nov 19 2007 06:18 AM

Unbelieveable finish in Baltimore. Cleveland chokes away a 13 point fourth quarter lead to Kyle Boller and the team that was last in the NFL in passing yards AND rushing yards coming into the game. Down 3 with 3 seconds left on the 34, the tying field goal for Cleveland hits the upright and bounces down OVER the crossbar to bounce BEHIND the crossbar, before bouncing BACK onto the field. In real time it looked like a miss that had bounced off the crossbar and landed short. No call was made on the field and the officials huddled for so long that some of the players actually left. Apparently a field goal is not reviewable(?!), but since no call was ever made on the field and it was not reviewed upstairs, the officials did everything technically right. And they got the call right, so everything worked out perfectly. (Oh, and Cleveland won it in overtime). The most perplexing thing to me is...why is a field goal not reviewable???

Frayed Knot Nov 19 2007 07:46 AM

]The most perplexing thing to me is...why is a field goal not reviewable??? I have no friggin idea. That sounds like a no-brainer to me. Francesa - who's normally lothe to take the NFL to task - was heavily into the conspiracy theory on his TV show last night, claiming that the on-field official DID get the word from upstairs that the orignial call was wrong. He said that the ref did go 'under the hood' to check things out but then claimed afterward that in doing so he was merely told by the upstairs guys that the play was not reviewable and that nothing he saw/heard via that process came into play. But it was right after that that he changed the call saying it was due to a huddle with the divided goal judges (one called it each way) something they had already done when the original 'No Good' call was made. It also wouldn't be the first time they've gone to a replay to decide something that the rules say they can't do. It's part of the slippery slope of replay rules in that saying you'll only use it for 'X' is a lot like trying to stay only somewhat pregnant. I also think that given the NFL's penchant for covering their own asses that we'll find where Jimmy Hoffa is buried before finding out the real truth to this ... or to what was on the Patriot 'Spy-Gate' videos for that matter. They destroyed that evidence with a speed and efficiency that would make Nixon White House staffers sit up and say; 'Damn!"

HahnSolo Nov 19 2007 09:49 AM

I think the reason FGs are not reviewable is that they don't want to get into judgment calls on balls kicked [u:440bc4a4a0]over[/u:440bc4a4a0] the goal posts. However, this is a black and white case, with little left to interpretation. There should be some leeway in the rule for questions on whether the ball crossed the crossbar.

Frayed Knot Nov 19 2007 11:49 AM

="HahnSolo"]I think the reason FGs are not reviewable is that they don't want to get into judgment calls on balls kicked over the goal posts. IOW; we dont want to review it via replay because it might be hard to know for sure what really happened. Using that logic they might as well toss out the whole thing.

Nymr83 Nov 19 2007 01:12 PM

so who is the MVP, Brady or Moss? they're both having historic seasons and could break the passing/receiving TD records

Elster88 Nov 19 2007 02:01 PM

="Frayed Knot"] ="HahnSolo"]I think the reason FGs are not reviewable is that they don't want to get into judgment calls on balls kicked over the goal posts. IOW; we dont want to review it via replay because it might be hard to know for sure what really happened. Using that logic they might as well toss out the whole thing. Mike Pereira (NFL VP of officiating) is saying they don't want to make the balls that go over the upright reviewable because the official under the upright has a better view than any camera angle could get. They will consider making field goals like yesterday's (where going over the crossbar is in question) reviewable in the offseason. Sounds reasonable to me.

Elster88 Nov 19 2007 02:02 PM

Nymr83 wrote: so who is the MVP, Brady or Moss? they're both having historic seasons and could break the passing/receiving TD records I'm so sick of all things Boston (which sucks for me cuz as a UConn fan I want to root for the Celtics). Let's give it to Favre.

MFS62 Nov 19 2007 06:04 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: ="Kid Carsey"]I don't know much about Smith, but I swear early in the year he was listed as a 3rd or 4th QB in the program when I checked because the low number made me look it up. Yeah, wasn't he the guy they used at QB for one play where he ran an option roll out? He played QB in college. I think when they drafted him they envisioned him to be a "Slash" kind of player. (I forget the name of the QB who was called that, because his position was listed as QB/RB/ WR/ ....., etc.) Later

seawolf17 Nov 19 2007 06:14 PM

Kordell Stewart.

metirish Nov 20 2007 09:27 AM

Disgusting. [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/20/sports/football/20fans.html?_r=1&ref=sports&oref=slogin]At Jets Game, a Halftime Ritual of Harassment[/url]

HahnSolo Nov 20 2007 09:43 AM

So, a guy takes a girl on a first date to a Jets game??? What a catch, this guy. But then, while there, she takes the first opportunity to flash herself in front of a bunch of drunken louts? And seems proud of it? Match made in heaven, I say.

soupcan Nov 20 2007 12:59 PM

I'm sure a lot of people who participate in this ritual are pissed off at the Times for making this story a big deal. 'We're not hurting anyone, its all in good fun, etc., etc.' But you know what - this is why I don't take my kids to NFL games. Its a shame really because they'd love to go. I go to maybe 2-3 NFL games a season (mostly Giants) for the last 20 years or so and I can't count the number of times I've been absolutely disgusted by the fan behavior in general. From drunken, scantily clad women cursing and flashing every body part they have to men just whipping out their dicks and urinating in the middle of walkways. Not up against a wall or in a corner - which would be disgusting in its own right - but right in the middle of a crowd of people. There's blatant drug use (marijuana) and over-the-top drinking of hard liquor in the stands during the game and in every other area of the stadium during halftime. This of course results in fights, as well as beligerent, passed out and vomiting people sitting nearby. The profanity concerns me but that's really the least of it. And don't even try to walk through the parking lot before the game without all of your senses being completely assaulted by tailgaters doing shots, blasting metal music, throwing food and aggresively taunting fans of opposing teams When did attending an NFL game become an R-rated event? My dad used to take me to Shea to watch the Jets and I loved it. The only thing he felt he had to shield me from was the bitter cold winds whipping off of Flushing Bay. Now I did take my 10 year-old and a friend of his to the Giants-49ers game a few weeks ago and it was almost without incident. We did not tailgate - which the boys really wanted to do - and I took great pains to avoid certain areas of the parking lot. Moving around during halftime was impossible to do without exposing them to other people's less than appropriate behavior. Sure you get some of that at baseball games but its not nearly as bad or as widespread.

Kid Carsey Nov 20 2007 04:19 PM

I must be lucky, most of this is not typical of where I sit for Jets games ... and I've been to well over a hundred. Sure there are occasional fights, but usually the person getting pum- melled asked for it by being a total dick and pushing the envelope three times before it got to point of fighting. The Gate C ramp, which is the length of the field from D, is usually just a bunch of people getting high or smoking cigs and hanging out during half-time. They used to do the money pit thing but that's long stopped and I've never been forutunate, er I mean subjected to, any lurid behavior of any sorts. Drinking and metal music in the parking lot? C'mon soup ... take that part back. WIth this, my friends wife called and told me to put on Channel two news. She says they see this stuff all the time over by Gate D and that's why no one wants to sit down by me any more (jokingly).

soupcan Nov 21 2007 07:18 AM

Kid Carsey wrote: Drinking and metal music in the parking lot? C'mon soup ... take that part back. Well, I can't speak for Jets games but try strolling by section 16B, for example, in the parking lot before any Giants game.

Edgy DC Nov 21 2007 07:23 AM

Kase views things through the eyes of someone who isn't responsible for supervising a 10-year-old. I went to one Jets game at Shea as a kid, and --- well, if those were the good old days... .

Kid Carsey Nov 21 2007 09:21 AM

Sometimes I need supervising like a ten-year-old kid. One my homies corroborated much of what's been in the news down in his end of the end of the field last night on the phone. He hasn't brought his daughters to a game yet because of the shenanigans that go on. I've never seen one boob since 1990. I did take a hit off a joint a dozen years ago out in the ramps and got dusted or something. Back in my seat after half-time I went through 20 minutes of double vision and panic thinking I was gonna freak or something.

Edgy DC Nov 21 2007 09:22 AM

Kid Carsey wrote: I've never seen one boob since 1990. Dude, the intenet is here to help.

Kid Carsey Nov 21 2007 09:27 AM

Put that on a tee for ya I did.

metirish Nov 21 2007 09:34 AM

Probably not the worst thing in the world to be stoned at a Jets game no matter the year.

soupcan Nov 21 2007 10:01 AM

Kid Carsey wrote: Back in my seatafter half-time I went through 20 minutes of double vision and panic thinking I was gonna freak or something. 1988 or so I went to Shea with a friend and ate some hash brownies. Got to our seats and we were flying. Paranoid and completely freaked out. My friend started to panic and said that he couldn't deal. I said 'look, all you have to do is sit in that seat and do nothing for the next two and a half hours. By the time the game's over you'll be fine.' We sat there, didn't move and didn't say one word to anyone or each other for the entire game.

Kid Carsey Nov 21 2007 11:09 AM

THC and crowds was never a good mix for me, so I can picture that. My recreational drug days are long over, but pot was the first to go because of the anxiety and paranoia it caused after long term abuse. Something possesses me every once in a awhile if I've been drinking that makes me think I can still hang and I always regret it. Oh, this is a football thread ... Priest Holmes retiring this afternoon.

soupcan Nov 21 2007 11:36 AM

Kid Carsey wrote: My recreational drug days are long over, but pot was the first to go because of the anxiety and paranoia it caused... You and I are simpatico on this.

Nymr83 Nov 21 2007 01:06 PM

i was never a smoker, you guys should lay off that crap and have a few beers (or some hard stuff if you can sneak it in.) i do smell weed at almost every met game i've ever been to though.

Nymr83 Nov 21 2007 04:50 PM

so who thinks the jets will pull out a thanksgiving miracle? they're +14 and i think they'll cover it but won't win

Kid Carsey Nov 22 2007 03:50 PM

The Salvation Army Band has really changed it's look since I last saw them.

Elster88 Nov 22 2007 04:14 PM

Nymr83 wrote: so who thinks the jets will pull out a thanksgiving miracle? they're +14 and i think they'll cover it but won't win Spoken like a true degenerate. I'm with you. If Revis catches that ball that hit him in the numbers at the 21 and the Cowboys don't take a pick to the house this would even be a game. As long as I'm dreaming I want someone to hit Tom Brady with a small truck.

Elster88 Nov 22 2007 04:16 PM

When did Ben Graham turn into such a horrible punter?

Nymr83 Nov 22 2007 05:06 PM

Jets reminded everyone how much they suck after looking good last week.

Elster88 Nov 22 2007 10:11 PM

I dropped a hund at plus 14.5

HahnSolo Nov 29 2007 08:51 AM

Dolphins this week look to join the 72 Oilers, 80 Saints, and 91 Colts as teams who won 1 game in a season since the merger, and got that one win at the expense of the Jets. (of course, this only stands if they win no other games and finish 1-15). Remarkable. There have been 10 one-win teams since the merger in non-strike years, and three of them got their win against the Jets. One of the other seven was the Jets, in 1996. 1971 Bills beat New England 1972 Oilers beat NY Jets 1973 Oilers beat Baltimore 1980 Saints beat NY Jets 1989 Cowboys beat Washington 1990 Patriots beat Indianapolis 1991 Colts beat NY Jets 1996 Jets beat Arizona 2000 Chargers beat KC 2001 Panthers beat Minnesota

Willets Point Nov 29 2007 09:01 AM

HahnSolo wrote: 1980 Saints beat NY Jets I was at that game.

Kid Carsey Nov 29 2007 10:23 AM

Norman Esiason bet his radio crony that the Jets would win by three touch- downs ... I think they settled on a 19 point spread.

Nymr83 Nov 29 2007 10:40 AM

Kid Carsey wrote: Norman Esiason bet his radio crony that the Jets would win by three touch- downs ... I think they settled on a 19 point spread. Jets are -1. Boomer is overconfident and I don't know why. Jets need a loss here to keep hope (of a top pick) alive

Willets Point Nov 29 2007 12:52 PM

Nymr83 wrote: Jets need a loss here to keep hope (of a top pick) alive Nymr83 is an unlikely person to be seen paraphrasing Jesse Jackson.

Nymr83 Dec 02 2007 11:37 AM

Who is the Miami QB? what happened to Cleo Lemon?

Elster88 Dec 02 2007 11:47 AM

Nymr83 wrote: ="Kid Carsey"]Norman Esiason bet his radio crony that the Jets would win by three touch- downs ... I think they settled on a 19 point spread. Jets are -1. Boomer is overconfident and I don't know why. Jets need a loss here to keep hope (of a top pick) alive Jets opened at +1 and were at +1.5 at kickoff.

Elster88 Dec 02 2007 11:48 AM

Elster88 wrote: When did Ben Graham turn into such a horrible punter? Anyone?

Nymr83 Dec 02 2007 12:53 PM

are the CBS anouncers smoking something? they said "the Dolphins just can't answer the Jets' pressure" after showing that the Dolphins have 4 sacks to the Jets 0.

Kid Carsey Dec 02 2007 02:01 PM

Monday to-do list: a) change name to Titans, abandon green and white unis b) petition the league to play Miami four times per year going forward

Frayed Knot Dec 02 2007 03:00 PM

="Kid Carsey"]Norman Esiason bet his radio crony that the Jets would win by three touch- downs ... I think they settled on a 19 point spread. Actually it was Jerry Recco (sp?) - WFAN's J-E-T-S beat reporter doubling as the morning show update guy that day - who made the prediction of a Jet blowout in Miami which led to the bet with the 19-point spread. Carton (Boomer's crony) was playing the role of the Jet fan with the 'all this winning is terrible for our future' attitude. I have to say that, after giving that show a decent trial over the last few weeks, I find Carton to be increasingly annoying. He's very much in the standard morning show mold of the outspoken/say anything kind of guy who claims to be up on all the hot chicks & newest fads even though he's actually a nearing-40 suburban dad -- a type that usually sounds forced to me, probably because it usually is. Boomer's OK on the air but I'm not sure he's interesting enough to build a whole show around. Fortunately for me, Imus returns to the air tomrrow.

Iubitul Dec 02 2007 03:03 PM

I really hope the Dolphins go winless. I'm sure that will make the champagne a little less sweet for Buoniconti and company...

Nymr83 Dec 02 2007 03:56 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: I have to say that, after giving that show a decent trial over the last few weeks, I find Carton to be increasingly annoying. He's very much in the standard morning show mold of the outspoken/say anything kind of guy who claims to be up on all the hot chicks & newest fads even though he's actually a nearing-40 suburban dad -- a type that usually sounds forced to me, probably because it usually is. Boomer's OK on the air but I'm not sure he's interesting enough to build a whole show around. Fortunately for me, Imus returns to the air tomrrow. I like Boomer. One thing i like about Carson i that some fan called in the other day with something along the lines of "i've got a trade, the mets should give the twins..." and Cartson cut him right off and told him to bring the speculative trade offers to another show.

iramets Dec 02 2007 04:10 PM

Nymr83 wrote: Cartson cut him right off and told him to bring the speculative trade offers to another show. And this is good because...? What, his show's content is on such a high level of discourse that fan chatter degrades the airwaves?

Nymr83 Dec 02 2007 04:26 PM

because fans calling up making stupid trade offers contributes nothing to the discussion and i'm glad to see it cut-off, nobody cares that joe from the bronx thinks the yankees can get santana if they'd just be willing to offer shelley duncan

iramets Dec 02 2007 04:44 PM

"Joe, ya really think that gets the deal done? How 'bout this trade: we trade you for a reasonable, informed fan of the game as it is played on Planet Earth, and we throw in two fans to be named later, of whom one must be an irrational deluded shill for a baseball team that doesn't play in the Bronx? Sound good? Joe, I'm afraid you, sir, are a feminine hygiene product posing as a caller. Our next caller is Arthur from Bay Ridge..." Works for me.

MFS62 Dec 03 2007 07:55 AM

I'm not sure how the tiopic of this thread moved to baseball, so I'll try to bring it back to football. Rex Grossman is a terrible quarterback. Now I see why the fans in Chicago have been calling for his head. I only watched the Jint game for a bit. But during that time , Rex badly missed three wide receivers who had beaten the defensive backs. The throws weren't even close. All he needed to do was "put some air under his throws" and allow the receivers to run under them. But he fired line drive lasers only catchable by someone 12 feet tall. Da' Bearz should have won yesterday's game in a romp. Later (No, I didn't have a bet on the game. I just hate the Jints.)

Elster88 Dec 03 2007 09:36 PM

Nymr83 wrote: Jets need a loss here to keep hope (of a top pick) alive I meant to ask, who do you think is in the draft this year?

Elster88 Dec 03 2007 09:53 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 03 2007 10:01 PM

A lot of weird things happen to allow NE to win, including Baltimore calling timeout right before a fourth and 1 play that they would've stopped NE on to win the game. Also a bullshit call in the secondary on a second fourth down play that Baltimore stopped NE on. The go-ahead touchdown was also questionable and followed by a nervous breakdown where a Balt player got TWO unsportsmanlike calls. Gostkowski took the final kickoff from the [u:7e4622add8]Baltimore[/u:7e4622add8] 35. Baltimore really should've won. Boller's dumbass interception with about 10:20 left in the fourth (driving on the NE 40 up a touchdown) was where I thought NE would come back, but it actually was in doubt right up until the end. News of the weird: For some reason Billick blew three kisses to Rodney Harrison.

Nymr83 Dec 03 2007 10:00 PM

Elster88 wrote: ="Nymr83"]Jets need a loss here to keep hope (of a top pick) alive I meant to ask, who do you think is in the draft this year? well if they'd gone a nice 2-14 maybe Glenn Dorsey? of course they'll probably ignore their needs and take a RB or they'll be really stupid and take some guy and try to switch his position. that seems to be a jet thing to do.

Elster88 Dec 03 2007 10:08 PM

Tom Brady kind of seems to be turning into a dickhead.

Nymr83 Dec 03 2007 10:28 PM

Elster88 wrote: Tom Brady kind of seems to be turning into a dickhead. what did he do/say?

HahnSolo Dec 04 2007 10:33 AM

I have not seen anyone mention it, but on the Baltimore TD that gave them the 24-17 lead, the receiver only had one foot down in bounds. NE did not review it however...which shocked me because it was so obvious. Tirico, Kornheiser, and Jaworski not seeing did not shock me.

HahnSolo Dec 10 2007 09:21 AM

I've seen a lot of debate in the media regarding Mangini's decision at 17-12 to kick the field goal (which with 3 timeouts I agree with) then go on-side kick (which I don't agree with). Either go for it on 4th and 10, or take the three and kick it deep...you want the field position either way. But, I haven't seen mention of Mangini not challenging the spot on Clemens run in the second quarter that looked like a touchdown. At the time, it was 0-0, fourth and inches from I want to say the 3-yard line. Clemens sneaked it and stretched the ball out onto the goal line. But the officials marked it inside the 1. No clear replay was shown, then the Jets turned it over on an INT three plays later. Anyone hear any reason why there was no challenge made?

Vic Sage Dec 10 2007 09:30 AM

i think the failure to challenge questionable calls is the LEAST of Mangenius's sins this season. But he can make up for all of it next week by beating the Pats. Thats the superbowl for the jets. Of course, they'll likely perform as they usually do in such situations. SOJ

HahnSolo Dec 10 2007 10:33 AM

Agreed. And I think the Jets will give them a game. But when your QB and RB are running off the field making the touchdown motion with their arms, don't you have to consider challenging there?

Nymr83 Dec 10 2007 11:28 AM

]I've seen a lot of debate in the media regarding Mangini's decision at 17-12 to kick the field goal (which with 3 timeouts I agree with) then go on-side kick (which I don't agree with). the media needed to find something to talk about i guess, because 4-10 with 3 timeouts i undoubtedly would kick the FG. even mr. clock management himself, herm edwards, probably would have figured this one out. i would also kick onsides because if you recover you are in GREAT shape (you need to go about 40 yards for a game winning FG) and if you don't recover you need only hold them to a FG to stay in the game. the only situation where i wouldnt kick onsides there (when losing) is one where a FG hurts you just as much as a TD (and so you can't afford to start them off that close to getting one, down by more than 5 points a FG puts the game away) ]But when your QB and RB are running off the field making the touchdown motion with their arms, don't you have to consider challenging there? not if your guys upstairs tell you not to. the players on the field should always signal TD when its close just like defenders should always jump up and down like little kids pointing the other way when they think they have the ball at the bottom of a pile... whatever helps convince the refs.

Kid Carsey Dec 10 2007 04:08 PM

They just said on SNY SportsNite that the Pats are 24 1/2 point favorites for next Sunday. That's a hell of a lot of points for an NFL game. Don't they usually just not accept bets when things are so lopsided?

Valadius Dec 10 2007 04:23 PM

I think it would be a first for bets to stop being taken on an NFL game. In my lifetime, anyway.

Elster88 Dec 10 2007 04:35 PM

Kid Carsey wrote: They just said on SNY SportsNite that the Pats are 24 1/2 point favorites for next Sunday. That's a hell of a lot of points for an NFL game. Don't they usually just not accept bets when things are so lopsided? They won't take bets on the money line, which is "who will win straight up" because it would be on the order of risk 2000 to win 100 or something crazier.

Nymr83 Dec 10 2007 04:40 PM

they'll be taking bets, on the money line as well. the line doesnt matter to them, the magic of the juice means they get paid either way as long as they have a roughly equal number of bets on each side (and if they don't the line will move to produce those bets)

Kid Carsey Dec 10 2007 04:46 PM

When I'm doing the office pool or looking who to take in a three-strike pool I print out from USA Today the odds page that has odds from 5 or six places. What does "OFF" mean then? I thought it meant that they were no longer accepting wagers or something.

MFS62 Dec 10 2007 05:05 PM

The Jets were 18 1/2 point underdogs going into Super Bowl III. (That's 7.5 - 1 odds if you bet winner only, no points.) And they won! Never give up hope. Later

Nymr83 Dec 10 2007 07:30 PM

]What does "OFF" mean then? I thought it meant that they were no longer accepting wagers or something. off the board, usually a result of one of the teams having not completed its game yet or serious health questions about a key player (usually a QB but sometimes a RB.) go to any gambling site and i'm sure they'll be taking bets.

HahnSolo Dec 11 2007 06:51 AM

]and if you don't recover you need only hold them to a FG to stay in the game. the only situation where i wouldnt kick onsides there (when losing) is one where a FG hurts you just as much as a TD I disagree. If you are kicking the FG to get it to 17-15, you don't want to give up another score so that you'll need a TD on your next possession. You want to set it up so that a FG wins it for you. If you're thinking you'll need to score again if you screw up the onside kick, then you should just go for it on 4th down and play for the TD with the score 17-12. Oh, well. I think I've thought way too much about this.

Kid Carsey Dec 11 2007 07:03 AM

Nym: >>>off the board, usually a result of one of the teams having not completed its game yet or serious health questions about a key<<< playerhttp://covers.usatoday.com/data/odds.aspx#nfl I understand the latter, and suspected that that could be one reason. There are games "OFF" at these casinos on Tuesday morning so I'm not sure what you mean by completed it's game. Can you bet on a game in progress in a casino? I don't want to bet, and I certainly ain't looking to bet at a gaming site or with a bookie, more I'm trying to understand how the casino thing works.

Kid Carsey Dec 12 2007 07:23 AM

That link should be: http://covers.usatoday.com/data/odds.aspx#nfl Still games "OFF" Wednesday morning.

Nymr83 Dec 12 2007 08:08 AM

of the 6 books listed only one of them has games off the board, you'd have to ask them why i dont know

Vic Sage Dec 12 2007 08:43 AM

Kreskin says: 34 - 9 So, if you take the Jets and 24 1/2, you'll lose. Make sure you get 25 1/2.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 12 2007 08:50 AM

I will take the Jets and the points for a beer against any of youse guys. I'm rooting the Dolphins to snap the Pats' win streak, but I will accept a Jets upset too, and expect a spread win at the least.

Edgy DC Dec 12 2007 08:59 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 12 2007 11:35 AM

How about all this interest in the Pats march and how it smashes the "parity is good for the sport" line? Teams and fans deserve an equal playing field in their quest to be successful, but they don't deserve to have the successful teams forced to dismantle themselves. I don't even think they want it.

Kid Carsey Dec 12 2007 11:19 AM

Nym: >>>of the 6 books listed only one of them has games off the board, you'd have to ask them why i dont know<<< Well it changes constantly Mr. Smuggy Pants. I was just being lazy and thought one of you high roller types might be able to help out. Thanks.

soupcan Dec 12 2007 01:05 PM

Someone just sent me this. Thought it was funny...

Willets Point Dec 13 2007 09:11 AM

I like the spelling of "Sand Diego."

Edgy DC Dec 13 2007 09:16 AM

That poster is further evidence in support of my theory that peeps like to have a beast in the league.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 16 2007 08:41 AM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I will take the Jets and the points for a beer against any of youse guys. nobody?!? How about 2 beers.

Kid Carsey Dec 16 2007 10:19 AM

I took 'em in my weekly pool of 60 people. I just checked, four others share our enthusiasm. Difference is I need an outright win.

Nymr83 Dec 16 2007 11:13 AM

1st play for the Jets- TD Patriots. thats the way this game is gonna go.

Frayed Knot Dec 16 2007 11:22 AM

I'm trying to figure out if it's a good thing or a bad thing when you change QBs 4 times in your first 6 offensive plays Clemens (1 play) --->>> Smith (3 or 4) --->>> Pennington (1) --->>> Smith (1)

TheOldMole Dec 16 2007 11:52 AM

I just tuned in. Pennington's in now. What is going on with the Jets QB situation?

themetfairy Dec 16 2007 11:59 AM

Here's to the special teams!

Kid Carsey Dec 16 2007 12:04 PM

OM: >>>What is going on with the Jets QB situation<<< Clemens had/has a rib thing. Return is probable. Ny, don't be such a Gloomy Gus.

Nymr83 Dec 16 2007 12:38 PM

why the fuck are they running a QB sneak on 2nd and 4? is herm edwards calling the plays?

Nymr83 Dec 16 2007 12:46 PM

fummmble. sloppiest game i've seen in a long time and i've been watching the jets all season.

Kid Carsey Dec 16 2007 02:08 PM

Four or five times inside the twenty = 3 points That sixteen yard pass by Brady while dodging tackles at the end says it all, he's the freakin' golden boy and deserves most of the accolades he gets.

MFS62 Dec 16 2007 02:12 PM

So they covered the point spread. Whoop-de-damn-do. Its still a loss. A plan for improvement starts with two basic rules: 1) Keep your own quarterback standing. 2) Keep the other team's quarterback horizontal. They need a lot of help on both the offensive and defensive lines. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 16 2007 02:16 PM

Jets coulda won it, is the crazy thing. Dolphins in the meantime have a shot to win still.

Nymr83 Dec 16 2007 02:21 PM

Dolphins have won in OT. damn.

Elster88 Dec 30 2007 07:50 PM

The Jets are locked into the sixth pick. One before the Patriots pick.

Nymr83 Dec 30 2007 11:35 PM

nice to hand it to herm but i hate slipping from what would have been the 3rd pick

Frayed Knot Dec 31 2007 06:32 AM

Death penalty for coaches who call time-out prior to field-goal attempts: Discuss And for those who call multiple time-outs during meaningless, week 17 contests between two out-of-it teams during a game already in overtime ...

HahnSolo Dec 31 2007 07:29 AM

The third pick probably would have guaranteed McFadden, and for a team desperate for a playmaker, the Jets would have to have taken him. I just saw a mock draft on line that had McFadden falling to 6, although it's dubious to me that both the Raiders and Falcons would pass on him. Although I don't know if Clemens is the answer, and his overall performance has me leaning toward no, I don't think I go QB at the 6th pick. None of the quarterbacks available (Ryan, Brohm, Woodson, Brennan) scream franchise QB, although Woodson is intriguing.

Nymr83 Dec 31 2007 09:01 AM

re: timeouts i think it has become obvious this year that coaches should not be allowed to call them from the sidelines. go back to the rule of a timeout needing to come from one of the 11 guys on the field, at least this way theres a good chance the kicking team will see the guy call timeout before they snap the ball and kick the field goal only to have it not count.

HahnSolo Dec 31 2007 11:24 AM

I like your sig in all threads except this one.

Nymr83 Dec 31 2007 01:07 PM

LOL

Vic Sage Jan 02 2008 12:02 PM

we win and drop three slots in the draft. even when we win, we lose. same ole jets...