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NYC's Weak Sisters, 2007 (part II)

Gwreck Mar 31 2007 09:33 AM

[Restarting the A-P thread that Dickshot started a while ago, but somehow fell off the main board] This link can't really be described. Just have to see it for yourself. http://www.projecta13.com/

metsmarathon Mar 31 2007 09:45 AM

great. now I want to boo arod. no, actually, i don't. i want to look out my window and see if there are any pigs aflight... nope... none so far... then how can it be that a yankee fan has seen the light and recognized that maybe, just maybe, creating a negative - no, hostile - atmosphere for one of their own players might not lead to his being as productive a yankee as they would want to see? i don't think he'll get many takers. its too much fun to boo mercilessly. never mind that its productive. never mind that it goes against the yankee philosophy that they all talk about - that the ring is the thing, and winning uber alles, and you do whatever it takes to win. no, yankee fans will be largely unable to do whatever it takes to do what little they can to help their team win. they will be unwilling to put aside their dislike of arod - be it for his personality, perceived softness, his slight at jeter from, oh, six years ago, his making more money than jeter, his being more talented than jeter, his simply not being jeter, whatever - and do whatever it takes to create a positive atmosphere wherein arod can flourish, and help to propel the yankees to world series domination. winning isnt important enough to yankee fans. they'd rather be imbeciles. if they were smart enough to recognize that booing arod is counterproductive to winning, they wouldn't be yankee fans. they'd be mets fans. (or silverdsl. silverdsl is an anomaly :p )

metirish Mar 31 2007 09:46 AM

I mean all I can say is WOW...I can't believe someone actually put time into that,it's well done even....from the author. ] I work in Legal for a hedge fund in Manhattan, so I know how demanding this city can be, and how hard it is to block out the "noise". People boo him at work?

A Boy Named Seo Mar 31 2007 10:56 AM

Wow, a cult that controls not only the future of Alex Rodriguez, but that of the game of baseball, as well. That's heavy stuff, man. He really needs to start accepting PayPal if the movement, sorry, The Movement, is really going to get off the ground. Do you believe? Because I sure as fuck do. ]And make no mistake about it—his future with the New York Yankees, and quite possibly The American Pastime, is in our hands. We hold the power. What we do now with this power will define not only the remainder of A-Rod's career, but baseball in the Bronx for years to come. As stated before, there has never been a more opportune time for change. And judging by how far you've read today, I think we're each ready to step up to the plate—to dig in—with our third baseman, instead of against him. Choose. Believe. Rise. Three simple steps. An infinite supply of possibility. When we choose to accept Alex and support him as a Yankee, and when we believe unconditionally in his talents at the plate, the chances that he will rise as an athlete, as a man, and as a legend increase one hundred-fold. Likewise, by choosing this path of positive thought and good will over the easier, more popular, negative route, the chances that we'll rise as fans, as individuals, and as a city are undeniable. In a very real sense, our fates are intertwined with his, which makes The Movement that much more necessary. Above all things, this is a project about breaking molds, making a stand for principle, and coming together for the common good—to do the right thing, essentially.

metsmarathon Mar 31 2007 11:07 AM

well, the last paragraph there is just a bit over the top...

metirish Apr 03 2007 07:32 AM

Steve Swindal showed up at MFY home opener yesterday and promptly found a person that might be in lower standing in the great yankee family.... ] Swindal, who still has his job with the organization despite the impending split, was elsewhere in the park. He talked only about baseball and said he wasn't impressed with the performance of Yankees starting pitcher Carl Pavano. "We're just hoping to get this team back to the World Series," he told the Daily News via cell phone. "I can't believe that Pavano only made it for five innings." Pavano gave up five runs before he was taken out of the game.

Edgy DC Apr 03 2007 07:43 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 03 2007 11:21 AM

"I can't believe..." is one of the sadder phrases. That's a 5% increase on the total Pavano has racked up for the Yankees over the last two years.

soupcan Apr 03 2007 09:42 AM

The website is really well done - I'm very impressed with that, but everything else there makes me fearful for the future of modern civilization. Creepy. Choose. Believe. Rise. - uh...yeah.

metirish Apr 03 2007 01:11 PM

Newsday has picked up on project13 http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spjim0403arod,0,5966430.column

smg58 Apr 03 2007 04:31 PM

Oh enough already. We're talking about a guy who's torn by whether or not it would make more long-term fiscal sense to walk away from $81M over the next three years as though he were in need of sympathy. Let him rot, and the Yankees with him.

Nymr83 Apr 05 2007 08:16 PM

Yankees are down in the 8th!

metirish Apr 05 2007 08:27 PM

Kay asked Girardi why does such a great athlete like Rodriguez have trouble with pop-ups...Girardi said he thought that was a weakness in his game..Joe went onto say he believed every great player had a weakness,without missing a beat Kay asked him what Jeters weakness in his game was.....but it sounded like Kay thought he had found a player that had no weaknesses in his game...Girardi thought going to his left on grounders was his weakness...Kay is such a smug fucker.

metirish Apr 05 2007 08:35 PM

Big spot,eight inning with the bases loaded,two out and down a run,A-Rod at the plate....and he pops it up....love it.

Nymr83 Apr 05 2007 08:37 PM

here come the booooooooooooooooooooooooos

Frayed Knot Apr 05 2007 08:53 PM

Leave it to the Yanquis to play a 4-hour game in the cold & snow. So their fans both froze AND went home tired and unhappy.

Nymr83 Apr 05 2007 08:55 PM

they lose! Mets 3-0 Yanks 1-1

Rotblatt Apr 06 2007 05:30 AM

I love that the loss is officially A-Rod's fault when Jeter had two errors, one of which led to a run--in, of course, a one-run game. Oh, and he was caught stealing, too. Gotta love Yankee fans!

Rockin' Doc Apr 06 2007 03:37 PM

Rotblatt - "Gotta love Yankee fans!" No I don't. Silverdsl being a rare exception.

OlerudOwned Apr 07 2007 12:50 PM

Steve Trachsel is a run-support magnet. Baltimore going to town on Igawa in his debut, and the O's lead 7-3 in the 5th.

SteveJRogers Apr 07 2007 01:03 PM

Matsui strained his hamstring, the fans are starting "We Want Bernie" chants.

OlerudOwned Apr 07 2007 02:24 PM

A-Rod just launched a walk-off grand slam. Dead center, deep in to the black seats. Absolutely crushed.

metirish Apr 07 2007 02:26 PM

That was a bomb....1 and 2 count.

Nymr83 Apr 07 2007 02:26 PM

he's not "clutch". edit- oh and there were two outs

Kid Carsey Apr 07 2007 02:30 PM

That sucks, I had that whole game on while doing crap all day and left it when ours started. Freakin' Yankees ...

Edgy DC Apr 07 2007 03:02 PM

I'm OK with A-Rod prospering. I'd like to see some feet in mouth in the Bronx.

Nymr83 Apr 07 2007 03:29 PM

yeah ditto. the yankees will get some wins, they might as well do it via the Rodriguez longball

Frayed Knot Apr 07 2007 04:16 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 07 2007 04:54 PM

Sure it was a 2-out, 2-strike, come-from-behind, walk-off Grand Slam ... but we all know that it was the Jeter walk two slots earlier which was the [u:99ac5bd7fc]real[/u:99ac5bd7fc] clutch at-bat. I wonder if, after Giambi's 3R HR and ARod's GS, Yanx fans are still going to be calling for more 'small ball' from Torre?

SteveJRogers Apr 07 2007 04:24 PM

Thing is, the first out he makes on Sunday the boos will return. Not one for conspiracy theories, but it is probable that this is one that was created by the NYC Yankee biased media, even if it was unintentional. I mean this is the same market that drove home the point about how much better Jeter was than ARod for all those years, then defended Jeter after the Esquire article and made Jeter out to be so much better because of the intangilbles and ARod was just jealous because he was playing in obscurity in Texas. (ARod in Texas was like the Mona Lisa in some guy's garage was something repeated by Michael Kay after stealing it from a Post reporter) Then he's brought to the defending AL Champs with all this hype and hoopla about how he was going to collect rings alongside Jeter. Even if the rest of the Yankees went into Operation Shut Down after Game 3 of the 04 ALCS, and even if Gary Sheffield was brought in the same offseason for the same reason, because of all the hype, and because of all the built up hatred of the guy going back, even before the Esquire article or the irrational need to say Derek is so much better than the guy (I mean Reggie Jackson never even had that going against him in 1977, clearly no one thought he wasn't a superior player than anyone on the Yankees) there was no way he wasn't going to be the ultimate scapgoat for the 2004 collapse, and consequentially every Yankee failure since. Its gotten to the point where even if he does do something that could be defined as trying to keep the Yankees in a game it looks like he's just padding his numbers, while a Jeter will get the "And that Jeter, keeping hope alive for the Yankees" comment after a 2 out hit with the Yanks down by 3 or something in the 9th. I'm actually rooting that he doesn't come back next year, and will root for him and whomever he plays for next season to win the World Series..unless it's against the Mets of course!

metsmarathon Apr 07 2007 04:51 PM

the idiocy of yankee fans is no media creation. they really are idiots.

Frayed Knot Apr 08 2007 09:16 PM

- The 5th consecutive Yanqui starter fails to finish the 5th inning - Torre actually brought Pettitte in for an inning of relief in Sunday's game - Matsui on the 15-day DL with a strained hammy

Johnny Dickshot Apr 08 2007 09:25 PM

I am kinda hoping for Arod to run with this newfound respect and then, to use it, vindictively, to get back at Jeter for failing to stand up for him when he was down. You know? Hand out a few backhanded compliments to the press, whisper in a few ears, and pretend to be above it all. You just know he'd love it.

metirish Apr 09 2007 08:05 AM

I know it was Pettitte's day to throw on the side but it's shocking that Torre brought him in to pitch an inning,a slamming indictment of the starting pitching and the bull pen....oh what joy.

Nymr83 Apr 09 2007 07:00 PM

who thought Carl Pavano would be the first Yankee starter to turn in a quality performance this year?

Johnny Dickshot Apr 14 2007 10:25 PM

MFYs-A's in xtras for the second straight night, a slim, bearded, 31-wearing Piazza batting vs. Farnsworth... NOW!!!!

Johnny Dickshot Apr 14 2007 10:29 PM

Piazza whiffed. Not a good night. He did crush a double last night to help the A's come back & win. Big gaps to hit into in that park. Nick Swisher has his Kelly Leak on.

Nymr83 Apr 14 2007 10:49 PM

Arod had his 7th homer to keep the yankees in this one. 2 runs scored unearned thanks to a JETER error. bet you wont hear the yankee fans talking about that

Frayed Knot Apr 15 2007 12:31 PM

Giambi eventually won it with a 1-out HR in the 13th. By that point the Yanx were down to Brian Brunney, their 8th (and presumably last) pitcher. A's scored their 3 runs in the 1st inning and then were shut out after that. Farnsworth has been so bad lately - and especially in 2nd innings - that even with a pitcher crunch they only used him for that one inning. Doug Meintiewicz didn't start due to a deep slump, but was eventually double-switched in then went hitless in a few more ABs to extend his streak into 0-23. 4 Yanqui errors last night including two more for Jeter; totals in 10 games are now 13 & 5 for the team and him. Jeter's 2nd was a low throw that Meinky's sub - Josh Phelps - c/should have easily scooped but didn't come close to, which explains why the double-switch later. The Yanx are carrying 3 1st baseman at this point but only one they trust with a glove and he can't hit.

Edgy DC Apr 15 2007 01:01 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: Doug Meintiewicz didn't start due to a deep slump, but was eventually double-switched in then went hitless in a few more ABs to extend his streak into 0-23. Not to belittle too much that .283 / .359 / .411 // .770 he put up last year in batter-friend Kauffman Stadium, but that slump of his is now entering its fourth year. This just a particularly nadir-iffic part of the greater slump.

Frayed Knot Apr 15 2007 01:06 PM

Both Mussina (hamstring) & Pavano (forearm) to the (retroactive) 15 day DL - joining Wang & Karstens who are already there. Chris Britton (swag from the Jaret Wright deal) called up for now. Wang due to come back in the next week.

Nymr83 Apr 15 2007 01:22 PM

looking good. Mussina is the guy they need to count on most imo. Wang will be exposed as the mediocrity that he is soon enough. Anyone think Ratner and Britton are starters on a playoff caliber team? just bite the bullet and go to Hughes already!

Kid Carsey Apr 15 2007 04:58 PM

Marco Scutaro 3 run bomb off of Mary Ano ... yay, ha ha.

smg58 Apr 15 2007 06:44 PM

File that one under "profoundly improbable," but anything that makes the Yankees lose is a good thing.

iramets Apr 15 2007 06:47 PM

Why'd the Mets let Scutaro go, again? I forget. Can someone help me out?

Nymr83 Apr 15 2007 06:50 PM

because he sucked? last year was his only passable year,

iramets Apr 15 2007 06:52 PM

Oh. I always liked him. Hustled his ass off. When you've got a guy like that, I say keep him, let the clueless momos go. But maybe that's just me.

OlerudOwned Apr 15 2007 06:57 PM

iramets wrote: Oh. I always liked him. Hustled his ass off. When you've got a guy like that, I say keep him, let the clueless momos go. But maybe that's just me. He had Quadruple-A player written all over him. Mets claimed him off waivers, he had 2 excellent seasons in Norfolk that amounted to 100+ ABs of diddly-poo in Flushing. And by then, he was already 27. Glad to see he's found a home for himself in Oakland, though.

Nymr83 Apr 15 2007 07:59 PM

Derek Jeter committed his Major League leading 6th error today!.

Frayed Knot Apr 15 2007 08:04 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 15 2007 08:16 PM

Scoot-o had one single in 20 ABs prior to today's walk-off. On the other hand he's had an impressive list of walk-off hits for Oakland considering his relatively short time there; I saw a run down of them just the other day. What was cool about today's hit is that the Oakland rally started with 2 out and none on: single - walk - HR ... which was the least they could do after doing almost the same thing they did in Saturday's game. In this case they got 2 in the 1st inning and were threatening for more before being shut-out and virtually no hit after that. Another error for Jeter (6th) Chase Wright?!?! will be the starter for the Yanx on Tuesday. * and with this post I become Randall K. Myers

Johnny Dickshot Apr 15 2007 08:06 PM

Crud! I turned that game off in the 8th because I didn't wanna see the MFYs win! & of course I stayed up all damn night last nite to watch the A's lose. I suck!

DocTee Apr 15 2007 09:28 PM

A's announcer Ray Fosse said Scutaro will always wear the green and gold because of today's heroics... a bit of hyperbole to be sure but his gritty style has endeared him to the Bay Area (but so did Eric Byrnes' and he was shipped to the desert)

OlerudOwned Apr 15 2007 10:58 PM

DocTee wrote: A's announcer Ray Fosse said Scutaro will always wear the green and gold because of today's heroics... a bit of hyperbole to be sure but his gritty style has endeared him to the Bay Area (but so did Eric Byrnes' and he was shipped to the desert) Would you say he's a "True Athletic?"

MFS62 Apr 16 2007 07:08 AM

According to WFAN, that was Marco's eighth game winning hit in the majors. Maybe the A's have found the new "Captain Clutch"? Mike Francessa was in a state of disbelief. He kept lamenting how Marco had been hitting .050 before the hit. I loved it. EDIT: IIRC, after the Mets got rid of Marco, they acquired Joe McEwing as their utility player. Insert your own joke here. Later

Edgy DC Apr 16 2007 07:19 AM

No, they didn't. McEwing was acquired in spring training, 2000. Scutaro didn't appear with the Mets until 2002. And they didn't get rid of him. He was claimed by Oakland as the Mets tried to clear him through waivers, which was the same way the Mets got him from Milwaukee.

MFS62 Apr 16 2007 07:21 AM

I guess IDRC. :) Later

Centerfield Apr 19 2007 09:43 AM

A-Rod sure is doing better now that he got himself out of that pressure-cooker that is New York. I knew he would relax and be himself with his new team. It just goes to show you some people can't handle New York.

Nymr83 Apr 19 2007 01:39 PM

how many more jeter errors before AROD successfully talks Torre into getting his position back?

metirish Apr 19 2007 01:46 PM

Nymr83 wrote: how many more jeter errors before AROD successfully talks Torre into getting his position back? It would never happen though ,would it?...A-Rod will play SS for the Red Sox next season...

Willets Point Apr 19 2007 01:52 PM

... and the Red Sox play the Reds in the 2008 World Series and Rodriguez slaps Arroyo again.

Centerfield Apr 19 2007 03:01 PM

This is getting out of control. With his team down 2, 2 on, with 2 outs in the 9th, A-Rod hits a 3 run HR and the Yanks finish the sweep of the Indians. Ok. I think he's made his point. It's ok with me if A-Rod starts sucking now.

Rotblatt Apr 19 2007 03:05 PM

Centerfield wrote: This is getting out of control. With his team down 2, 2 on, with 2 outs in the 9th, A-Rod hits a 3 run HR and the Yanks finish the sweep of the Indians. Ok. I think he's made his point. It's ok with me if A-Rod starts sucking now. No, no, no--he has to play like this right up until October 1, THEN he has to start sucking. That way, Yankee fans will be even more bitterly dissapointed when he fails them. Again. The real question is, why did Cleveland elect to pitch to him with first base open?

Edgy DC Apr 19 2007 03:17 PM

I think they were down one at the time of the homer. Which means Derek Jeter was the tying run on third, so...

Johnny Dickshot Apr 19 2007 03:33 PM

It was 6-2, 2 out and 0 on in the 9th when it started! Phelps HR Posada 1B Damon BB Jeter RBI 1B Abreu RBI 1B Wild pitch Arod 3rHR 8-6 final. All off Borowski. Sterling sincerly said afterward it was the most improbable MFY victory he's ever called.

Nymr83 Apr 19 2007 04:08 PM

I'd obviously still prefer the Yankees lose, but its hard not to root for Arod when all the Yankee fans hate him.

smg58 Apr 19 2007 05:35 PM

Rotblatt wrote: The real question is, why did Cleveland elect to pitch to him with first base open? Not only did the wild pitch leave first base open, but it put Borowski behind in the count. And A-Rod's been hitting pretty well lately from what I've heard. The Indians' manager will have fun trying to explain this one.

Frayed Knot Apr 19 2007 05:45 PM

The only rationale is that the intentional walk brings up Giambi making it righty-v-lefty and that it loads the bases w/nowhere to put Giambi who works a lot of walks which would bring in the tying run ... but I still think it's a no-brainer. ARod's the hottest guy on the planet right now and is a better average hitter under normal circumstances. Of course the real problem was putting on the 5 guys in a row before ARod ever got there.

Rotblatt Apr 19 2007 06:11 PM

]I'd obviously still prefer the Yankees lose, but its hard not to root for Arod when all the Yankee fans hate him. I 100% agree with you, Nymr. Now that Yankee fans hate him as much as I used to, I really want A-Rod to succeed. And, incidentally, dramatically outperform Jeter ("True Yankee" personified) in every way imaginable. The only thing more delicious than A-Rod producing the unquestionably best single season ever, then completely tanking in the playoffs would be A-Rod producing the unquestionably best single season ever, followed by the best post-season ever, but having the Yankees' efforts come up short due to inexcusably bad play by Jeter.

Edgy DC Apr 19 2007 06:29 PM

Wow. Though I think I'd add a Met win in there somewhere.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 19 2007 07:03 PM

I'm hoping Arod starts whispering a lot of unkind things about Jeter.

Edgy DC Apr 19 2007 07:16 PM

I hope he logs on to do it.

Kid Carsey Apr 19 2007 07:45 PM

They'll be lovin' arod within a week or two if this keeps up. They gave Giambi a pass, they'd give Mussolini a pass if it meant another ring. I can't root for any of them, don't even bother most times rooting against them. I root for another year of no ring, playoff futility, or not making the show at all. Any of these will do.

DocTee Apr 19 2007 07:49 PM

]They'll be lovin' arod within a week or two if this keeps up. They gave Giambi a pass, they'd give Mussolini a pass if it meant another ring. I read this thrice before realizing it was Mussolini and not Mussina-- much funnier now that I clarified it.

Rockin' Doc Apr 19 2007 08:13 PM

Rotblatt - "The real question is, why did Cleveland elect to pitch to him with first base open?" Well, it's not like he's Barry Bonds. I hope A-Rod has a monster year, but despite his heroic efforts the Yankees miss out on the post season in a one game playoff loss in which Jeter boots a routine grounder with two outs in the ninth that allows the tying run to score. Then in a futile attempt to atone for his initial error, Jeter picks up the ball and makes an ill-advised, wild throw that allows the winning run to score.* *I know these are horrific run on sentences, but there is no grammar or punctuation in my delirious dreams.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 19 2007 08:18 PM

As long as he wears the pinstripes, I can't root for Alex Rodriguez. A monster year? No thanks.

Rockin' Doc Apr 19 2007 08:25 PM

but, but, but....my scenario climaxes with absolute humiliation of Captain clutch and the lack of a post-season appearance by the pinstriped forces of evil.

iramets Apr 19 2007 08:27 PM

Rockin' Doc wrote: * I know these are horrific run on sentences, but there is no grammar or punctuation in my delirious dreams Perfectly fine sentences. Nothing wrong with either one, from a grammarian's perspective.

Rockin' Doc Apr 19 2007 08:37 PM

Damn, I feel so proud.

holychicken Apr 20 2007 08:15 AM

It is kind of cool to see A-Rod hitting at the pace he is. . . However, that throwing his hands up and looking into the dugout like he is saying "what did I tell you" really pisses me off. It is cool to be excited, but that is just obnoxious. Am I being reasonable or am I just blinded by hate for the MFY?

Rotblatt Apr 20 2007 08:47 AM

]Wow. Though I think I'd add a Met win in there somewhere. Well, of course! We'd be their opponent in the World Series and Jeter would be in such a brutal slump that we'd be pitching around Mientkiewicz to get to him. In my scenario, A-Rod would almost single-handedly lead the Yankees to 3 wins against us (despite generally superior hitting, defense and pitching by the Mets), forcing a Game 7, during which time, Rockin' Doc's dream would become reality--with the following addendum: the routine grounder Jeter boots is hit by Castro, and Jeter has nigh-infinite time, even after initially booting the ball AND double clutching, to throw Castro out, but instead he DROPS THE BALL, and by the time he picks it up and fires wildly towards first, the score is already tied and Castro safe at first. The Mets' wild celebration would come at Yankee Stadium, amid a chorus of boos aimed squarely at the Intangible Captain of Clutch, and a few grudging cheers from Yankee die-hards who concede that ours was the superior team. Next day's back-page Post headline: "'Captain' CR*P. Is This the End for Jeter?"(The front page, of course, being reserved for, "Mets Champions of New York, World!"). During the off-season, A-Rod voids his contract with the Yankees, and signs with the Mets, saying, "I got beat by the best last year, and now I'll get to play with the best," and he goes on to win 5 consecutive rings* while playing second base for the Amazin's. If you're going to dream, dream big, right? * One more than Jeter, and 5 fewer than both Reyes & Wright would go on to win.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 23 2007 08:26 PM

Kei Igawa is beaten up by the Devil Dogs. Rays trying to protect a 10-6 lead in the 9th NOW

Frayed Knot Apr 23 2007 08:34 PM

Igawa - again - can't make it thru the 5th, further straining the NYY pen. So, partially as a result of that, the Yanx have gone against their pre-season pledge (F***KING LIARS!!!!) and will call up prized pitching prospect Phillip Hughes for the start on Thursday against the Jays. Matsui re-activated today - Chase Hughes heads back to the minors with the memory of those 4 HRs in his final 10 pitches. Wang will come off the DL for tomorrow. A-Rod HR'd twice tonight. That's 14 folks in 18 games.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 23 2007 08:38 PM

Gotta love it: Arod hits 2 more HRs, including a 2-run shot in the 9th but the MFYs still lose and fall 5 games out.

Edgy DC Apr 23 2007 08:56 PM

Doug Mientkiewicz is (a) The difference between Alex Rodriguez last year and this, given him an old buddy he can trust and a natural ally in a clubhouse woefully short on them. (b) The dumbest dumb idea the Yankees have had in years.

Gwreck Apr 23 2007 09:04 PM

One would think that good lineups can usually sustain one no-hit glove man (see Santana, Rafael), especially a nine-deep AL lineup.

metirish Apr 23 2007 09:27 PM

I suppose calling up Hughes could be seen as desperation as the starting pitching has been piss poor,how many more times will AP get his side throwing done in a real game this season....fucking love it.

DocTee Apr 23 2007 09:34 PM

I recall some on this board wondering if the Mets should have made a play for Igawa. Bullet dodged.

Edgy DC Apr 23 2007 09:39 PM

Gwreck wrote: One would think that good lineups can usually sustain one no-hit glove man (see Santana, Rafael), especially a nine-deep AL lineup. And, if you've got to sustain as such, you'd best do your sustaining at a position where gloves are particularly valuable.

OlerudOwned Apr 23 2007 09:45 PM

Edgy DC wrote: ="Gwreck"]One would think that good lineups can usually sustain one no-hit glove man (see Santana, Rafael), especially a nine-deep AL lineup. And, if you've got to sustain as such, you'd best do your sustaining at a position where gloves are particularly valuable. There's a big hole at shortstop.

iramets Apr 23 2007 11:49 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: Yanx have gone against their pre-season pledge (F***KING LIARS!!!!) Well, yes, now that you mention it. Fucking liars, fucking panickers, fucking pussies, fucking clueless SFB motherfuckers who aren't to be trusted for a second even if you ask them which way is up or is black darker than white. Good for you, FK. Now try it when the Mets do it, and I'll give you props.

sharpie Apr 24 2007 06:50 AM

Tonight is Kazmir vs. Wang in the Battle For Fourth Place.

Frayed Knot Apr 24 2007 07:40 AM

"Good for you, FK. Now try it when the Mets do it, and I'll give you props." Absolutely, because I intend to be deadly serious about assuming general pre-season statements to be stone-cold promises which when broken - due to faster than expected progress, altered circumstances, or just plain changing of the mind - should be treated as if breaches of trust & security on a Watergate-like level. * Hey, I'm reigning NL Player of the Week Carlos Beltran

silverdsl Apr 24 2007 07:43 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Doug Mientkiewicz is (a) The difference between Alex Rodriguez last year and this, given him an old buddy he can trust and a natural ally in a clubhouse woefully short on them. (b) The dumbest dumb idea the Yankees have had in years. I'm not crazy about Mientkiewicz, but I'm not totally against him either since the idea was to improve the defense at first. It's long bothered me that there doesn't seem to be much concern by the Yankees about having a strong defense. While I'm looking forward to seeing what Hughes can do in the majors, seems to me they might be rushing him up a tad out of panic because of their pitching woes. On the other hand, who else with any potential is available at the moment? Oh yeah - Clemens. Seems like it's all but a done deal that the Yankees are going to be needing his services, and I'm less than thrilled about that. I've always been a big fan of A-Rod's, even when he struggled last season. Some of my fellow Yankee fans think that homeruns don't count if they come in a loss, but I think it's really exciting what A-Rod's been doing. I know he can't keep this up, but it's been fun for me to watch him at the plate.

metirish Apr 24 2007 07:53 AM

It's rather amazing that people think that home runs hit in a loss don't count,I'd settle for a few David Wright home runs hit in a Mets loss.

iramets Apr 24 2007 08:00 AM

silverdsl wrote: it's all but a done deal that the Yankees are going to be needing his services. What's all but a done deal is that Clemens is going to use the Yankees (and the Sox) to jack up the Astros' offer. There's about a 1 or maybe 2% chance that he'll sign with any team that doesn't play in Texas. Well, maybe 5% if the Astros are twenty games out by July.

Edgy DC Apr 24 2007 08:03 AM

No home runs come in losses, as losses aren't losses until later --- well after the home run. Home runs come in undecided games. I guess walk-off homers are the lone exception. Home runs turn potential losses into potential wins.

Edgy DC Apr 24 2007 08:16 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 25 2007 04:47 AM

="silverdsl"]I'm not crazy about Mientkiewicz, but I'm not totally against him either since the idea was to improve the defense at first. It's long bothered me that there doesn't seem to be much concern by the Yankees about having a strong defense. The Yankees could improve their defense faster and better by switching Jeter and A-Rod. I'm sure they could find somebody to give them modest defensive ability at first without giving up so much with the bat.

metirish Apr 24 2007 07:31 PM

So they were up 3 - 2 in the 7th,bases loaded and St.Joe bring in Myers to face Crawford,2 and 2 count and Crawford hits his first career grand slam.....

Edgy DC Apr 24 2007 07:32 PM

Wang proves they can get a good start and still lose. Not that they've lost, mind you.

Rockin' Doc Apr 24 2007 08:25 PM

Well, they've lost now. Tampa wins 6-4 on the strength of Crawfords grand slam.

metirish Apr 24 2007 09:40 PM

Yankees are in last place...... A-Rod might regret saying this.... http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-sparod0425,0,6397486.story?coll=ny-main-bigpix

metirish Apr 25 2007 10:24 AM

Looks like Torre is being exposed for his poor bullpen management with the shoddy starting pitching his team has.

Rotblatt Apr 25 2007 10:31 AM

]Yankees are in last place...... A-Rod might regret saying this.... http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-sparod0425,0,6397486.story?coll=ny-main-bigpix Nah. He didn't stay, "Yankees no matter what," he said, "NY no matter what." Big difference. A-Rod, we've got a 2008 opening at 2B next year with your name on it!

HahnSolo Apr 25 2007 10:44 AM

We might have an opening at 3B, too, if things keep up.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 25 2007 10:48 AM

Translated from Jockspeak, "I want to stay in NY" means "Give me more money to stay and I'll think about it."

Willets Point Apr 25 2007 10:54 AM

HahnSolo wrote: We might have an opening at 3B, too, if things keep up. That's a bit of an overeaction. Wright will right himself. You'll see.

Edgy DC Apr 25 2007 10:56 AM

Prediction archives.

metirish Apr 26 2007 06:44 PM

After a rough first inning Hughes looks pretty good,3 - 0 Jays in the fifth,men on the corners,Torre pulls Hughes.

Nymr83 Apr 26 2007 08:30 PM

Hughes first outing was mixed- 4 runs and 7 hits in 4.1 is bad. 5 k's and 1 walk in that span is good. only 1 hit was for extra bases.

metirish Apr 26 2007 08:35 PM

Yanks lose sixth in a row,Boston coming to town,Torre will skip Kei Igawa and pitch Karstens in his place.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 26 2007 09:06 PM

AJ Burnett = True Met

Willets Point Apr 26 2007 09:09 PM

metirish wrote: Yanks lose sixth in a row,Boston coming to town,Torre will skip Kei Igawa and pitch Karstens in his place. I predict the Yankees will be en fuego come July/August while Boston, et al flop. The Yankees will win the AL East by a wide margin and then storm through the postseason to hoist world series trophy #27. Jeter & A-Rod will share MVP honors.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 26 2007 09:11 PM

I'm surprised it took you until late April to make that prediction this year.

Edgy DC Apr 26 2007 09:15 PM

A-Rod will share nothing.

metirish Apr 26 2007 09:33 PM

Kay mentioned that Hughes is being called "Baby Rocket".....what stupidity...

Willets Point Apr 26 2007 09:34 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I'm surprised it took you until late April to make that prediction this year. I'm falling down on the job.

Nymr83 Apr 27 2007 07:12 PM

Pettite went 4 2/3 tonight as ANOTHER Yankee starter fails to go deep into the game, that has been their big problem this year.

SteveJRogers Apr 27 2007 07:37 PM

metirish wrote: Kay mentioned that Hughes is being called "Baby Rocket".....what stupidity... Thats not the Yankees PR saying that though, thats also scouts, Baseball America, other players, ect.

Willets Point Apr 27 2007 08:25 PM

Call me ignorant but when did Andy the Rat Face Boy rejoin the Yankees?

Johnny Dickshot Apr 27 2007 08:36 PM

Over the winter. He looked like crap by the 5th tonight. I mean, he had n-o-t-h-i-n-g.

Willets Point Apr 27 2007 08:40 PM

The next question is: Why did the Yankees want him back? Do they really buy their own "true Yankee" propaganda?

Kid Carsey Apr 27 2007 08:46 PM

Yeah, uh, ya gotta figure around the trading deadline we just pick up Richie Sexson and get a real first baseman and badda bing badda boom we're waltzin' into October. The pitching will take care of itself, plus we got Mariano .... hee hee

Frayed Knot Apr 28 2007 07:11 AM

Willets Point wrote: The next question is: Why did the Yankees want him back? Do they really buy their own "true Yankee" propaganda? In part, yes. At least many of the fans & media types believe it, hard to say about the front office. Mainly he was brought back as a FA to replace the traded Randy Johnson, a move many took as an improvement simply based on the "TY" principle. Johnson was ornery while in NYC and was neither as good as he had been (Duh!, he's 43) nor worth the money they were paying him (again, who told you to give contract extensions to senior citizens?). But some failed to realize that failing to live up to the hype & cash isn't the same as being bad and therefore made the mistake into thinking that Pettitte - who had about 1-1/2 good seasons in 3 years w/Houston - was an automatic upgrade even though it will likely be more along the lines of treading water. Pettitte is also younger but they're paying him as much as they were paying Johnson and are on the hook for next year as well (player option).

Iubitul Apr 28 2007 07:28 AM

I would enjoy this losing streak more if the Mets cooperated, and had a better week...

Willets Point Apr 28 2007 09:59 AM

True, losing the Rockies and the Nationals back-to-back leaves no room for boastfulness.

SteveJRogers Apr 28 2007 10:53 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: Mainly he was brought back as a FA to replace the traded Randy Johnson, a move many took as an improvement simply based on the "TY" principle. Johnson was ornery while in NYC and was neither as good as he had been (Duh!, he's 43) nor worth the money they were paying him (again, who told you to give contract extensions to senior citizens?). But some failed to realize that failing to live up to the hype & cash isn't the same as being bad and therefore made the mistake into thinking that Pettitte - who had about 1-1/2 good seasons in 3 years w/Houston - was an automatic upgrade even though it will likely be more along the lines of treading water. Pettitte is also younger but they're paying him as much as they were paying Johnson and are on the hook for next year as well (player option). Also it has been looked at as "fixing a mistake" and unlike trading nothing for Tom Seaver in 83, this was seen more as something that really could help the team, because Pettitte would bring something that was "missing" since he left. Since Pettitte left, the media/Yankee fan base really drove home the point that Pettitte was somehow on the Whitey Ford level of staff aces when the reality is that Pettitte is a soild #2 guy, and never really has been the ace of any staff he has been on. See Leiter, Al for an example. Another point could be made that Pettitte in The Bronx was a way to lure Clemens in as well (a conspiracy point along with Robinson Cano suddently switching from 22 to 24 over the offseason)

Nymr83 May 01 2007 11:42 AM

But the most telling A-Rod stat of the month was this: The Yankees went 1-11 in April games he didn't homer in

SteveJRogers May 01 2007 07:56 PM

No clue why MLB calls attention to this on the main page though, generally it's through 6 when things really get serious

Nymr83 May 01 2007 07:57 PM

too bad A-rod hasn't homered, the Yankees are 1-11 in games where he hasn't homered this year and i was hoping to keep that nice stat going

SteveJRogers May 01 2007 08:00 PM

Now it's through 6

Gwreck May 01 2007 08:22 PM

Hughes hurt his leg with 2 strikes and one out in the seventh. Looked like a hamstring pull.

SteveJRogers May 01 2007 08:23 PM

And the bad luck continues!

Edgy DC May 01 2007 08:25 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: No clue why MLB calls attention to this on the main page though, generally it's through 6 when things really get serious None?

Willets Point May 01 2007 08:28 PM

I know we're supposed to gloat when bad things happen to Yankees, but that's just fucked up.

Nymr83 May 01 2007 08:42 PM

Yankees losing a no-hitter because the pitcher got hurt? priceless. though i hope he's ok.

SteveJRogers May 01 2007 08:56 PM

Edgy DC wrote: ="SteveJRogers"]No clue why MLB calls attention to this on the main page though, generally it's through 6 when things really get serious None? Well, okay, I'll give you that point, but thats about all I'll give you. I mean its not as bad as acting as if there is a no-no chance after 2 or 3 innings, but it still seems on the early side.

Nymr83 May 01 2007 09:10 PM

depending on what else is going on in baseball that night a no-hitter through 5 isn't the worst "story" to have up there.

Edgy DC May 01 2007 09:10 PM

I really didn't make a point. It's just so maddeningly self-evident, but you are just looking for windmills to tilt at. Their job is to drive you to a game. Find a story and drive you to it. Make one up if there isn't one. If the number two prospect in the game is starting for the most storied franchise, it's already as compelling a story as there is before the night even starts.

Nymr83 May 01 2007 10:45 PM

]If the number two prospect in the game is starting for the most storied franchise, it's already as compelling a story as there is before the night even starts. edgy knows prospects?!?!

MFS62 May 02 2007 05:22 AM

="Edgy DC"]If the number two prospect in the game is starting for the most storied franchise, it's already as compelling a story as there is before the night even starts. As was asked on The Prisoner, "Who is Number 1?" Later

Edgy DC May 02 2007 06:06 AM

I don't know. Delmon Young. Point missed.

metirish May 02 2007 07:17 AM

Torre on the no hit bid... ] "It was going to happen. That was the sense in the dugout," Torre said. "We didn't talk about it, but everybody couldn't wait for him to get out there again." I wouldn't want to be the yankees strength and conditioning coaches,last week on the FAN Torre thought it was to early to make a connection between the rash of injuries and the fact that they have new strength coaches,Cashman is starting to wonder it seems. ] "You've got to be concerned about it; you try to figure out if there's any connection," Cashman said. "Some of them are explainable more so than others, but we have to look into everything. I can't tell you it's coming from the conditioning program, but you have to be objective and look at every aspect." Thing is that most of the injuries have been various muscle pulls/strains.

Frayed Knot May 02 2007 07:37 AM

The worst part for the strength & conditioning staff is that the Yanx just changed to a whole new crew this year - and, while it's certainly early to be jumping to cause-and-effect conclusions, this doesn't look good on the new S&C guys. "It was going to happen. That was the sense in the dugout," Torre said As long as you say so. * Hey, I'm Cliffy!!

MFS62 May 02 2007 08:14 AM

Here's a benefit of living up here in the suburbs - I picked up today's Daily News and it was the early edition. It didn't mention Hughes' game or the injury. How many pages did the NY editions devote to them? Later

Johnny Dickshot May 02 2007 08:33 AM

My copy of the snooze back headline reads WOE HITTER

Frayed Knot May 02 2007 08:38 PM

The new strength & conditioning coach we were just discussing ... the Yanx just fired him. Not only the recent injuries but apparently he was a guy who hadn't worked in baseball for a number of years and was doing things differently than what the players were used to and some were reluctant to work with him.

soupcan May 03 2007 06:49 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: My copy of the snooze back headline reads WOE HITTER Ooh, that's a good one.

metirish May 03 2007 07:01 AM

This is all on Cashman though,he hired this guy Miller who was working at a Country Club in Florida before this,his 24 year old assistant is now the head guy until they find someone else.

Edgy DC May 03 2007 07:10 AM

How hard can that be? Dale Torborg, come on down!

silverdsl May 03 2007 08:27 AM

metirish wrote: This is all on Cashman though,he hired this guy Miller who was working at a Country Club in Florida before this,his 24 year old assistant is now the head guy until they find someone else. Miller had to know someone to get hired. Otherwise I can't figure out what Cashman was thinking to hire someone who had zero experience working with baseball players on the major league level, and whose only experience with professional athletes at all came ten years ago when he worked for a time with a minor league team. I'm sure he was a knowledgeble guy, but seems to me that when they've got millions of dollars invested in the players, they'd want to make sure they've got the best of the best with years of experience working with them.

metirish May 03 2007 08:35 AM

From everything I have read Miller had zero experience working at the MLB level. From Newsday.... ] In search of greater insight into the training philosophies of Miller and Cavalea, we did a little Googling this morning and found a few interesting Web sites into their pasts. Miller, as has already been widely reported, spoke with the Palm Beach Post about his new Yankees job for an article published on April 4. Described as a lifelong Yankees fan from Buffalo, Miller worked as a minor-league trainer with the Expos in the mid-90s before spending the last eight years as the fitness director of a Florida country club. The story also said he has a master's in performance enhancement and injury prevention from California University of Pennsylvania. As for the Yankees, he said, "I've been able to come in here and really kind of change this whole department around." Internet searches tell us that Cavalea is a local, having attended Mount Sinai high school; he even appeared in several Newsday high school roundups for his feats on the baseball field. His official Web site, www.mlstrength.com, tell us that he has a bachelors from South Florida and is currently working on his master's degree in the same program and same school as Miller earned his. Cavalea writes, "Our training approach that focuses on total body movement, strength, and stability combined with education and lifestyle training will yield the balance we are looking for and in the end, an athlete with a great understanding of their body and what it takes to maintain optimal function."

soupcan May 03 2007 08:37 AM

As Edgy points out though, how hard can this job be? Any personal trainer at New York Sports Clubs is qualified for this deal. Supposedly Miller didn't believe so much in pitchers running to increase their endurance so he didn't push them to do so. Whether or not that played a part in the HammyGate I don't know, but professional athletes, especially the vets, who know their bodies should know that the routines they've followed their entire careers should most likely be continued. And how do you blame Miller for Hughes? I think Omar should forward Mackey Shillstone's number to Cashman. Maybe Mr. Slate will give him a leave of absence from the quarry.

metirish May 03 2007 08:40 AM

Certainly Miller was just a convenient person for Steinbrenner to fire.....plus I read that at least ten yankee players have their own trainers.

Johnny Dickshot May 03 2007 08:47 AM

Not for nothing but I'll wear a pair of Yankee boxer shorts on my head -- and no pants at all -- during the FOX FanCam inning of the Mets-Yanxx series if it's ever shown this trainer had more to do with the MFY injuries than bad luck or good karma.

Willets Point May 03 2007 08:52 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Not for nothing but I'll wear a pair of Yankee boxer shorts on my head -- and no pants at all -- during the FOX FanCam inning of the Mets-Yanxx series if it's ever shown this trainer had more to do with the MFY injuries than bad luck or good karma. The best part is that they would identify you as a Yankees fan.

MFS62 May 03 2007 09:00 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Not for nothing but I'll wear a pair of Yankee boxer shorts on my head -- and no pants at all -- during the FOX FanCam inning of the Mets-Yanxx series if it's ever shown this trainer had more to do with the MFY injuries than bad luck or good karma. I'm not quite sure whether that verbal picture you painted belongs in the predictions forum or if it should go straight to the featured archives. Later

Frayed Knot May 03 2007 04:40 PM

Maybe this guy's title of Director Of Performance Enhancement gives us a clue as to what his primary fitness techniques involved.

SteveJRogers May 03 2007 04:43 PM

Also apparantly the hire was actually part of a marketing tie-in that the Yankees were getting into with the guy's firm, so in essence it was the Yankees getting into bed with probably some BALCO wannabe or something!

G-Fafif May 03 2007 05:06 PM

="Frayed Knot"]Maybe this guy's title of Director Of Performance Enhancement gives us a clue as to what his primary fitness techniques involved. Best. Explanation. Ever.

Johnny Dickshot May 04 2007 07:17 PM

MFYs score five runs in the first inning ... and are getting killed. 12-8 in the 5th inning, Mariners with the bases loaded and still batting, 24 hits between both teams through 4.1 innings. This will be interesting to check into during Met commercials. Take that smokythroat.

Johnny Dickshot May 04 2007 07:23 PM

Top 4 finally over: Seattle with 8 runs, 8 hits and now lead 14-8. Kei "Five-year contract" Igawa, along with Colter Bean (4 batters, 0 retired, all scored) and Vizcaino are victims.

Nymr83 May 04 2007 08:17 PM

Seattle leads 15-11 in the 8th.

Johnny Dickshot May 04 2007 09:03 PM

15-11 is the final. Jeter goes 0-6 and sees his hitting streak ended. Sox win to pin MFYs 6 games back.

Willets Point May 04 2007 09:08 PM

Not far enough back for my tastes.

Johnny Dickshot May 04 2007 09:27 PM

Not nearly, but rejoice that Jeter also made the last out as the tying run (batting with the bases loaded).

Nymr83 May 04 2007 09:28 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Not nearly, but rejoice that Jeter also made the last out as the tying run (batting with the bases loaded). if arod had done that he'd be hung out to dry in the papers tommorow, my guess? igawa takes the blame (which he should) and jeter isn't even mentioned.

Frayed Knot May 04 2007 09:39 PM

The days of turning your sets off if/when the Yanx got a multi-run lead are definitely over until further notice. (Off) Kei Igawa was handed a win tonight and then couldn't even get out of the 5th inning. Then, after the M's went up by 8 going into the bottom of the 8th, they still wound up needing to bring in their closer (J.J. Putz) to deal w/the save situation. Man I'm glad I don't have to watch too much A.L. ball. * Have a drink to my becoming Neil Allen!

OlerudOwned May 05 2007 04:02 PM

Wang is throwing a perfect game. Wang is throwing a perfect game. Wang is throwing a perfect game. Wang is throwing a perfect game. Wang is throwing a perfect game. Wang is throwing a perfect game. Wang is throwing a perfect game. Wang is throwing a perfect game. Wang is throwing a perfect game.

metirish May 05 2007 04:07 PM

I just came to the forum to try and jinx it... Wang is in the myst of a perfect game....

Elster88 May 05 2007 04:18 PM

="metirish"]I just came to the forum to try and jinx it... Wang is in the myst of a perfect game.... I hated that game.

OlerudOwned May 05 2007 04:22 PM

Hail the Jinx.

metirish May 07 2007 10:43 AM

...

Frayed Knot May 07 2007 07:21 PM

- Joe Torre is sitting out tonight with a one-game suspension (automatic) and reliever Scott Proctor was hit with a 4-gamer (he's appealing his) as a result of a mini-beanball war that got swept under the rug due to the second coming of the Lord act during Sunday's game. Basically, Josh Phelps steamrolled Seattle catcher Jojima even though Jojima had given him plenty of plate to slide into. So Phelps promptly got plunked in his next AB. Then came the automatic warnings, then came the ball Proctor sailed behind Mariner SS Betancourt's head the following inning which led to a lot of jawing and the automatic ejections. - Also (off)Kei Igawa is now plying his trade in the minor leagues. Not to worry, it's not like they spent $46mil (between posting fee and 5-year salary) on him or anything.

Nymr83 May 07 2007 09:06 PM

Beltre homers off Mariano Rivera, his 3rd loss of the year.

Rockin' Doc May 07 2007 09:10 PM

Kei Igawa was sent all the way down to Single A. Damn, fat George is really pissed.

metsmarathon May 07 2007 10:14 PM

Nymr83 wrote: Beltre homers off Mariano Rivera, his 3rd loss of the year. great. they got clemens back. when are they getting mariano?

Edgy DC May 07 2007 10:16 PM

Rockin' Doc wrote: Kei Igawa was sent all the way down to Single A. Damn, fat George is really pissed. That's butt.

Frayed Knot May 07 2007 10:20 PM

I suspect sending him to Single-A Tampa has more to do with the fact that they've got their favored instructors there than it does with any kind of "punishment".

Willets Point May 07 2007 10:31 PM

Get a fucking out here please!

cooby May 09 2007 03:08 PM

My Avon lady just stopped and gave me a new catalog, and guess who is on the front of it? I'll give you a hint: He has green eyes and CF's little boy totally dissed him

Willets Point May 09 2007 03:10 PM

Willets Point wrote: Get a fucking out here please! I don't think this belongs in this thread.

metirish May 10 2007 02:38 PM

Wang took a beating today,7 runs in 6 1/3 innings...pen then gave up another 7....hurry up Rahjaa

Willets Point May 10 2007 02:42 PM

Yankees lead the majors in runs scored with 190.

Nymr83 May 10 2007 02:43 PM

our old friend Victor Diaz hit a grand slam in that one as a pinch hitter

Rockin' Doc May 10 2007 04:33 PM

Willets - "Yankees lead the majors in runs scored with 190." Still they have a record of 16-17. They're 25th in team ERA at 4.80.

Willets Point May 10 2007 06:23 PM

Their runs scored totals are in the middle of the pack for all of MLB. I expect they'll win more than lose as the season goes along. In fact, accordining to baseball-reference their Pythagorean W-L is a very good 19-13. The Yankees are not out of this so we should refrain from premature jocularity at their expense.

Rockin' Doc May 10 2007 06:39 PM

Yeah....well...you started it. I agree the Yankees are far from dead. Their lineup is too potent for their pitching to undermine. Riviera will get his act together before too long and soon asshead will be joining the rotation, which should give them a boost. George's evil empire will not go down without a fight.

metirish May 14 2007 07:21 AM

Centerfield May 14 2007 08:44 AM

I happened to be watching this game when Michael Kay delivered the news that the Red Sox had come back to win. His tone was so somber you'd think he was telling the audience Kennedy had been shot.

Johnny Dickshot May 14 2007 08:48 AM

I head Susan & Sterling discover it on the radio, which might have been better. Susan was so distraught she didn't even tell the audience, she said something like, "I cant' believe that," leaving Sterling to tell us what she was mentioning.

metirish May 14 2007 08:53 AM

Johnny Damon thought it was a mistake on the scoreboard in Seattle....then he went on to say that if the Sox keep playing like that no one will catch them...is Abrue still the perfect fit for the yankees?

Frayed Knot May 14 2007 12:54 PM

Dang, I wish I had heard either one of those. I'm guessing that Suzyn didn't go into her; "OF ALL THE DRAMATIC THINGS I'VE EVER SEEN" routine. Best line I've heard on her Clemens announcement was that women everywhere who heard that turned and said; "I'll have what she's having" Challenging month coming up for the Yanx. After a relatively easy two weeks of playing Texas, then Seattle, then Texas, then Seattle (where they started 3-0 but then ended 8-5) their next three weeks shape up as: - at ChiSox for 3 - at Shea for 3 - host BoSox for 3 - host Angels for 3 - at Toronto for 3 - at BoSox for 3 - at ChiSox (again) for 4

Centerfield May 14 2007 01:28 PM

I just heard the Waldman clip. Amazing.

Frayed Knot May 14 2007 02:14 PM

Especially so since: a) It wasn't unexpected!! OK so it wasn't expected That Day ... but virtually every sportwriter everywhere predicted he would wind up w/the Yanx this season. So how exactly was this "Dramatic"? b) she treated him like some all-time Yankee hero! Half the Yanx fans never liked him much, and even some of the ones who did aren't too enamored by this return since he's only slightly younger than Matlock at this point and the whole thing just reeks of mercenary ballplaying. c) the "Welcome Home" part was the real killer. Here's a guy born in Ohio (his bio usually skips over that part), raised in Texas, who spent exactly FOUR of his 23 seasons the Bronx ... and we're going to pretend that this is "home" GMAFB!

metirish May 14 2007 02:35 PM

Waldman on the criticism she got after the Clemens knickers wetting incident. ] "Do I get hurt when people rip me? Yes," she said. "I'm extremely sensitive and very emotional and it hurts. But if I can't get used to it and I can't take it I should do something else with my life." (Read more from Waldman and other weekend stuff in my blog at Newsday.com/sports.) Waldman, who at the end of the game welcomed Clemens "home," seemed surprised her reaction had caused a stir. "I'm here and I'm not going anywhere and I don't apologize for who I am," she said. "I never said I was Vin Scully or Bob Costas. That's not why I'm here."

MFS62 May 14 2007 02:51 PM

="metirish"] "I'm here and I'm not going anywhere and I don't apologize for who I am," she said. "I never said I was Vin Scully or Bob Costas. That's not why I'm here." Gee, Suzyn. If you've figured out why you are here, can you please tell us? Later

Benjamin Grimm May 14 2007 02:54 PM

The last time I heard her voice was a few years ago when she and Howie Rose were on WFAN together (for the station's anniversary) and Waldman was going on about how absurd it is that people think she roots for the Yankees. I wonder, does she still pretend that she's impartial? I've never heard her do a Yankees game, but from what I've heard about her, it doesn't sound like she's at all objective.

SteveJRogers May 14 2007 03:48 PM

="Yancy Street Gang"]The last time I heard her voice was a few years ago when she and Howie Rose were on WFAN together (for the station's anniversary) and Waldman was going on about how absurd it is that people think she roots for the Yankees. I wonder, does she still pretend that she's impartial? I've never heard her do a Yankees game, but from what I've heard about her, it doesn't sound like she's at all objective. She generally goes the Michael Kay route, where they don't say they root for a specific team, but rather for specific players, and "Roger" is one of those players for both. Before she joined the broadcast booth she always did sound like she still had the Sox in her heart over the Yankees, but definatly takes a "motherly" approach to the Yankees and/or her favorite players or type of ball player Perfect example, Jason Tyner comes up and she anoints him on her talk show about how he looked like he was going to be a real special ball player. That didn't turn out so well!

Willets Point May 15 2007 10:22 AM

Funny stuff.

metirish May 15 2007 11:14 AM

That blog is pretty funny. ] ESPN wants Rocket's minor-league starts on TV BY KEN DAVIDOFF AND NEIL BEST ESPN is working to televise all of Roger Clemens' minor-league starts, Newsday has learned, and an official announcement could come as soon as Tuesday. Clemens, who re-signed with the Yankees on May 6, is scheduled to make his first minor-league start Friday night for Class A Tampa. From there, he is tentatively scheduled to pitch for Double-A Trenton on Wednesday, May 23. Clemens could be ready to join the Yankees at that point, or he could need more time. ESPN plans to televise Clemens' minor-league starts for only as long as Clemens is in the game. In building up his arm strength, he will likely pitch as few as three innings Friday night. Well, that beats Banagher.

Benjamin Grimm May 15 2007 11:21 AM

Gosh, but that's stupid. Do they really think that many viewers will want to watch 45-year-old Roger Clemens pitch three innings against a bunch of 19-year-old Single A players? Would you tune in to watch Pedro Martinez pitch his minor league tuneup games later this season? Maybe I'd watch it for a few minutes if I happened to be in front of the TV when it was on, but I certainly wouldn't seek it out. I could see YES televising this Clemens stuff, but ESPN? Is the country Clemens crazy? If so, I haven't noticed it at all.

Nymr83 May 15 2007 11:55 AM

no, but ESPN has Clemens on their list of things to kiss ass to along with the NBA, derek jeter, and stupid "sports" like rollerskating/skateboarding that nobody actually watches

Frayed Knot May 15 2007 12:32 PM

ESPN has become very "Star" crazy in recent years, blurring the line between athlete and celebrity to the point that anytime one of their chosen guys: Bonds, Tiger, Terrell Owens, Bobby Knight, Parcells, etc., makes a move they're sending a camera crew and makeup artists to cover it. Clemens and all his on-again/off-again retirement plans has become part of that crew and if they got footage of him or any of the above milking a cow they'd not only televise it but probably turn it into a mini-series or reality show.

Benjamin Grimm May 15 2007 12:36 PM

So ESPN is taking an Entertainment Tonight approach to sports coverage? I guess they're finally living up to their first initial. Sounds like they're dumbing down in order to get a larger audience. Is it working, though? Are viewers actually tuning in to watch Tiger Woods milking a cow?

Johnny Dickshot May 15 2007 12:53 PM

I swear I grew out of the ESPN demographic years before I grew out of the MTV demographic. It's... just... not... interesting.

Willets Point May 15 2007 01:24 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Is it working, though? Are viewers actually tuning in to watch Tiger Woods milking a cow? Actually I'd find that more interesting than golf.

Frayed Knot May 15 2007 02:02 PM

NYTimes sportswriter George Vescey has taken to calling the crew at ESPN "the silly boys" for their routines treating the SportsCenter shows as a virtual stand-up audition. I'll check into BB2N (a wholelot lower on the silliness scale) to see what's going on in the out of town games but generally avoid SportsCenter and most of that station's packaged shows.

metsguyinmichigan May 15 2007 02:26 PM

Centerfield wrote: I just heard the Waldman clip. Amazing. OK, I GOTTA hear this. Is it online anywhere?

seawolf17 May 15 2007 02:28 PM

http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/2007/05/suzyn_waldman_h.html

SteveJRogers May 15 2007 02:52 PM

Gotta love MFY fan logic sometimes. An over the top Yankee fan radio host was out with his Met fan producer, and after the game ended last night the producer exclaimed that there was NO WAY any newspaper would take the Yankees over the Mets for the back page this morning. The host shot back "Of course they are leading with the Yankees, they want to sell papers don't they?" And sure enough Too be fair, The Post got it right. Don't ask me why Yankees looking at 9 miles of bad road (or whatever that saying is) would sell more than the Mets with a wild finish, but journalistically the story is the Met win.

Willets Point May 15 2007 02:58 PM

I bet the 11-year-old girl loves the Yankees too.

Nymr83 May 15 2007 03:03 PM

its been my experience that the yankees get the backpage 80-90% of the time no matter what

metsguyinmichigan May 15 2007 05:09 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: ="Centerfield"]I just heard the Waldman clip. Amazing. OK, I GOTTA hear this. Is it online anywhere? Oh. My. Goodness. I can only imagine the internal PA announcement after that...."Attention maintence, clean-up in the radio booth. Spill in the radio booth. Bring the wet-vac."

Frayed Knot May 15 2007 08:37 PM

Nymr83 wrote: its been my experience that the yankees get the backpage 80-90% of the time no matter what I ordinarily dismiss talk like this as fans talking about how the media is skewed against their team sounds too childish to my ears. But in the case of the Daily News there is some truth to it. First of all the Yanx have a mutual promotion deal with the paper, including having a DN writer in the radio booth for an inning each game. Plus you have Torre getting paid to plug the paper. And then there's a stable of long-time NYY writers: Madden, Pepe, Bondy, who are much more likely to write about the Bronx team than the one in Queens. I don't pick up that vibe with any of the other local papers.

Nymr83 May 15 2007 08:50 PM

do you walk by a news stand on your way to work? keep track of the backpage for a month straight or so and let me know what you find. i read the post daily and its almost as bad, 75% yankees at least

Edgy DC May 15 2007 09:02 PM

seawolf17 wrote: http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/2007/05/suzyn_waldman_h.html Sounds drunk. Stupid drunk.

OlerudOwned May 15 2007 09:07 PM

FK, do you know if the Mets have a similar promotion type dealie with the News now? I'd assume based on SNY's slightly annoying, entirely irrelevant Daily News Live! panel show that they've got something of the like.

Frayed Knot May 15 2007 09:21 PM

Even with 'Daily News Live' - which is a joint production between the paper and SNY (a semi-seperate entity from the Mets) - there's not the same level of mutual cross-promotion that the DN & the NYY have had for many years now. The Mets actually had one of those with Newsday back in the Torborg era but that got washed away fairly quickly in a pool of bleach. In a perfect world, deals like this shouldn't exist since the paper is paid to cover the team not get into bed with it. It's always fun when a story contradicts what the manager claims he said (or something along those lines) which either tempts the manager to call the paper he's paid to promote a bunch of liars, or the paper to retract a story they're supposedly paid to uncover because it's about a guy who promotes their product on a daily basis.

Johnny Dickshot May 15 2007 09:29 PM

I don't necessarily think that a nice but rather unspectacular Met win that everyone with an interest already knows about is the bigger story, necessarily, than an analysis peice addressing the real possibility the team with the highest payroll and highest attendence figures in the history of baseball is looking at a stretch of games that could conceivably cost them the playoffs for the first time in a deacde. If the Mets had come back from 4-0 after 8 innings instead of 2, or from 14-0, then maybe we're looking at a different back page. Looks like the Mets will get that back page tomorrow anyway, unless something interesting happened to the Nets (I have no idea and don't care myself).

Johnny Dickshot May 16 2007 03:24 PM

Rookie John Danks outpitches Mussina as MFYs lose the first of a d-n DH at Comiskey. The DH btw, may affect their rotation vs. us this weekend, necessitating a recall of Chase Wright (or somneone else) from the minors in place of Mussina Sunday. Contreras v. Wang in Game 2 tonnite

Nymr83 May 16 2007 04:13 PM

I'd love to face Chase Wright on Sunday, hopefully alread having taken 2 games.

Nymr83 May 17 2007 01:47 PM

its 4-0 White Sox in the 5th, the yankee starter DeSalvo couldn't even go 4 innings, the bullpen will be tired tommorow :) edit- Torre led off Abreu today in his attempt to shake things up. looks more to me like "panic move" kinda like battingArod 7th or 8th in the playoffs last year.

Johnny Dickshot May 17 2007 08:35 PM

Bosox sweep. We could really bury these guys this weekend.

sharpie May 17 2007 08:46 PM

'Specially if the Sox take care of the Bravos.

metirish May 17 2007 08:51 PM

9.5 games behind the Sox....lets bury the wankers.

Frayed Knot May 17 2007 09:13 PM

sharpie wrote: 'Specially if the Sox take care of the Bravos. Not off to a good start though. - BoSox place Josh Beckett on the DL due to a piece of skin coming off his hand during his last start. He'll miss his turn vs the Braves this weekend and at least one more. - Meanwhile, Smoltz painfully dislocated a finger on his pitching hand during his last start. He's fine and ready to go.

cooby May 18 2007 04:44 AM

It just fell off?

iramets May 18 2007 05:09 AM

It was like a big blister. The dead skin [url=http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/05/18/unbeaten_beckett_headed_for_dl/] falls off[/url], right?

Willets Point May 18 2007 05:22 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Bosox sweep. We could really bury these guys this weekend. Hubris, people, hubris! Now the Yanks are probably going to go 5-1 against the Mets.

Benjamin Grimm May 18 2007 06:11 AM

cooby wrote: It just fell off? I hope it's not leprosy.

metirish May 21 2007 07:25 AM

For fecks sake,to read some today in the papers not only might Clippard have saved Torre's job but the MFY season to boot,they have twelve games left against the Red Sox,realistically how many of those games would they need to win,nine ,ten?...I mean if the Sox don't fall apart then I would think the MFY would need a miracle.

Frayed Knot May 21 2007 07:28 AM

It's [u:6a0fd511b1]MAY[/u:6a0fd511b1] This race is far from over.

metirish May 21 2007 07:37 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: It's MAY This race is far from over. Well yeah,I shouldn't jinx this either....

Willets Point May 21 2007 07:41 AM

The 1951 Giants were 13.5 games back in August.

Frayed Knot May 21 2007 07:44 AM

Jinxes ain't got nuthin' to do with it. They gained 10 games on the BoSox in just one month last year: July 21 = 3.5 back ----->>>>> Aug 21 = 6.5 ahead Between their high-scoring lineup and a (possible) rotation in a month or so of Mussina, Pettitte, Wang, Clemens & Hughes they certainly have the ability to make up a similar 10 games over the next 4 months.

Edgy DC May 21 2007 07:46 AM

Don't forget this Clip Art dude.

Frayed Knot May 21 2007 07:58 AM

And, in case you think comebacks of this magnitude are one in a million shots, or that they only happen to Yanx/BoSox, we've got examples from other teams in very recent history who were right about where the Yanx are now and at a similar point in the season: - 2006 Twins: 17 - 24 ---->>> finished 96 - 66 that's 79 - 42 after that point - 2005 Astros: 15 - 30 ---->>> finished 89 - 73 (74 - 43) - 2002 A's: 19 - 25 ---->>> finished 103 - 59 (84 - 34) ... and that was with Art Howe as the skipper

Benjamin Grimm May 21 2007 08:06 AM

AND they don't even have to catch the Red Sox to make the playoffs, you know. Last time I looked they were only about five games out in the wild card race.

metirish May 21 2007 08:14 AM

7.5 games back in the WC...I get what you are all saying,I just don't see it happening.

silverdsl May 21 2007 08:17 AM

Although I know you're trying not to jinx things and turn the Yankees fortunes around, some of y'all are a lot more optimistic than this Yankee fan. Clemens will give the rotation a big boost no doubt, but at the rate the Yankees are losing pitchers, I don't see them having the pitching to come back from being behind this many games, and that doesn't even take into account that the hitters haven't been hitting much. Maybe they'll get hot after last night, but I can just as easily see them losing 2 out of 3 to the Sox when they really need to win all 3 to stay in it. I suppose I'm supposed to be more positive, but I haven't seen all that much to get me excited from the Yankees this season other than A-Rod's hot start to the season and that's long over. That said, regardless of what happens, whether they get back in it, or end up tanking even further to the point where they're 20+ games out, I'll still be watching and I'll still be a fan of the team.

Willets Point May 21 2007 08:28 AM

silverdsl wrote: Although I know you're trying not to jinx things and turn the Yankees fortunes around, some of y'all are a lot more optimistic than this Yankee fan. For us, that's pessimism.

Edgy DC May 21 2007 08:57 AM

I actaully do have some doubt about the Clemens boost.

MFS62 May 21 2007 09:02 AM

I really do not like Jorge Posada - a lot. Mainly because he looks like a first cousin of mine who I can't stand. Later

metirish May 21 2007 09:22 PM

Clippard feeling the luv on myspace. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=21745547

Nymr83 May 21 2007 09:47 PM

thats pretty cool, i hope he's enjoying the hot girls that suddenly want to be his friend.

Johnny Dickshot May 21 2007 10:47 PM

Like, I don't get myspace.

Herb Gardner May 22 2007 04:16 AM

Edgy DC wrote: I actaully do have some doubt about the Clemens boost. Me too, especially since I have heard that he is coming home between starts.

iramets May 22 2007 05:00 AM

How could one not have doubts, serious ones? It's the "Julio Franco" principle--after a while, even with a good performance in recent years, we all become incapable of performing physical acts at a high level. Eventually Franco, and Clemens, and other athletes in their forties will wake up and be unable to do competently what they used to do superbly. There is a fairly high probabilty--I'd put it at 10 to 20 %--that for their 20 million dollars the Yankees will get what they would have gotten out of whichever retread/prospect/suspect's starts Clemens will usurp. Ha, ha, ha, because they're committed to pitching Clemens for the rest of 2007, no matter how badly he sucks. Can you imagine the pleasure I'll get from tuning in to watch him try yet again with an ERA in double figures? He ain't walking away from 20 mil, and Steinbrenner ain't paying him 20 mil to sit on the bench or go on the DL.

Johnny Dickshot May 22 2007 07:13 AM

While I also figure Clemens at some point will be incapable, I'd almost prefer he pitch as well as he can, only to do so in spite of the fact the Yankees don't contend. Then his bullshit, I'm-very-important admonition -- "this team has to play well before I get there..." blows up in his fat face. Already I believe the MFYs dropped five more games behind since he said that. Clemens wants to be like the anchor-man in a relay: He wants to be given a lead, not asked to make one.

Edgy DC May 22 2007 07:18 AM

And that's the good angle. The bad angle is that he wants $20 million for doing as little as possible and he doesn't care if the rest of the team stinks like shih tzu turds. And with the moral dubiousness of both positions so obvious, I can't understand why Yankee fan one buys the bullshit.

metirish May 22 2007 07:44 AM

Yeah but,did you see Clemens tutoring the kids in Tampa,because that's really what he loves to do,maybe he does but it looked so fucking staged with them gathered around the mound listening to him.

metsguyinmichigan May 22 2007 08:04 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Then his bullshit, I'm-very-important admonition -- "this team has to play well before I get there..." It's like he's saying "I'm in this just for the ring." And not that he wants to actually earn it, it's like a three-month joyride to pick up some hardware. Then again, if he was in it just for a ring, he should have signed with the Red Sox ...or US!

Frayed Knot May 22 2007 08:15 AM

That's why part of my fantasy (at least my baseball fantasy) involves the Yanx not only finishing out of the money but also well behind both the Sawx and the Astros.

silverdsl May 22 2007 09:28 AM

metirish wrote: Clippard feeling the luv on myspace. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=21745547 I don't know what possessed me to look at his pics, but after seeing the one of him admiring himself in the mirror with no clothes on (no naughty bits can be seen), I might be scarred for life.

Edgy DC May 22 2007 09:47 AM

Hey T-Clip!! haha I heard the good news about you!! So when you become really famous I can show everyone that picture of you and Derek when I dyed your hair and you had all the stuff on your head haha Miss ya mucho!!

cooby May 22 2007 10:28 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 22 2007 10:40 AM

Hey, silverdsl, "Naughty bits" is one of my favorite expressions! Naked pictures of Clippard would not be very inticing, lol.. My husband and I were trying to decide which of the two, Maine or Clippard, looked most like a hick the other night. And we know hicks.

cooby May 22 2007 10:33 AM

And I like the flip flop girl best, she seems so.....sincere.

Edgy DC May 22 2007 10:40 AM

So, a lot of duh-rama in the media notes recently, including Suzyn Waldman hunting down Mike Francesa at Shea Stadium this weekend and cursing him out, plus Ken Rosenthal on FOX broadcasting this howler: "The guy they need to manage the Yankees may be Vasco da Gama finding the Fountain of Youth."

metirish May 22 2007 10:46 AM

Edgy DC wrote: So, a lot of duh-rama in the media notes recently, including Suzyn Waldman hunting down Mike Francesa at Shea Stadium this weekend and cursing him out, plus Ken Rosenthal on FOX broadcasting this howler: "The guy they need to manage the Yankees may be Vasco da Gama finding the Fountain of Youth." What the hell did KR mean with that gem?...also this from Raissman..... ] All the talk about Joe Torre's Yankee future, or lack thereof, is like gum stuck to a shoe - annoying and hard to get rid of. The story goes beyond the obvious speculation. It's not good enough to just predict whether the manager will stay or get the boot. Who will make the decision? And who are Mr. Torre's detractors inside the organization? That's the direction ESPN's Peter Gammons was headed Sunday night in the fourth inning of Yankees-Mets. Jon Miller asked Gammons if Torre could lose his job. Gammons said it's "not impossible" and reported that George Steinbrenner likely would have something to say following the Bombers' current series with Boston. "There are some problems (for Torre). Randy Levine, the club president who apparently is back in power, is no Joe Torre fan," Gammons said. "There is no question there is pressure coming from George Steinbrenner and some other people in the organization who question Joe Torre despite his resume of remarkable achievement." Bringing Levine into the equation is curious. Or is it? In recent years Levine's role with the Yankees has been clearly spelled out. He is in charge of the business side, so it must have been surprising for him to hear he is back in power. It really does not matter what Levine thinks of Torre. Even in Steinbrenner's weakened state, he - or the family member running the Yankees that particular day - is not going to place an urgent call to Levine and get him involved in pure baseball decisions. For Gammons to leave the impression Levine has enough juice to pull the plug on Torre is a huge reach. As usual, there could be more here than meets the eye, ear, nose or throat. For many years - and this is not a well-kept secret - there has been animosity between Levine and Gammons. They don't speak. The bad blood came as a result of Levine taking issue with a Gammons report about the Yankees acquiring a player for major dough. Levine called an ESPN executive directly, telling him Gammons' report was not accurate. Needless to say, Gammons was not thrilled about this. So, could Gammons' attempt to cast Levine as the heavy in this Torre drama be payback for Levine showing him up, and going over his head?

seawolf17 May 22 2007 11:59 AM

I commented on that Rosenthal comment in the IGT... ]Hey retard, the Fountain of Youth was Ponce de Leon, not Vasco da Gama. If you're going to be Dennis Miller, get your information right. Dumbass.

iramets May 22 2007 12:10 PM

seawolf17 wrote: I commented on that Rosenthal comment in the IGT... ]Hey retard, the Fountain of Youth was Ponce de Leon, not Vasco da Gama. If you're going to be Dennis Miller, get your information right. Dumbass. Nobody's asking Rosenthal to discuss particle physics; he's just commenting on a baseball game. Nobody listens to the historical allusions anyway, so I'd rather have someone like Ken Rosenthal up there, who will be mercifully clever (if inaccurate), than some blowhard poster who thinks he's hot shit. Get over yourself, Seawolf.

seawolf17 May 22 2007 12:16 PM

Hey, I'm sorry if you took my "blowhard professor" comment in that other thread personally... it really wasn't directed at you. I'm sure you're a motivating, inspiring professor. But that was a funny comeback nonetheless.

iramets May 22 2007 12:24 PM

It's cool, Seawolf. Just joking around with you. To the small extent I'm not joking around, I'm maybe trying to make the point that standards of acceptable content/error/egregious mistatement/lie/cluelessness etc tend to vary around here depending on whether the speaker is currently collecting a paycheck from Sterling enterprises. Raissman--hang 'im! Wally Matthews--hang 'im twice! Ken Rosenthal--call 'im a dumbass, harp on his gaffes, kick 'im in the balls once or twice for good luck, than roast 'im over a slow spit. Willie Randolph? Hey, come on, be nice.

Nymr83 May 22 2007 01:01 PM

]including Suzyn Waldman hunting down Mike Francesa at Shea Stadium this weekend and cursing him out those might be my two least-favorite sports-related people (that don't actually play/manage a team) in New York.

Benjamin Grimm May 22 2007 01:04 PM

You're probably not totally wrong. However, I do remember us mocking David Wright for some of his "golly gee" comments, and his endorsement of that feces drinking guy. We made fun of Mike Piazza for his metrosexuality and his comment about how history moves chronologically through time. And I think we got on Keith Hernandez when he reacted to the female trainer in the San Diego dugout that time. I don't think the problem is that Mets employees don't get enough bile from us; I think that sometimes we're probably too quick to tear apart comments from sportswriters and sportscasters. It's okay to disagree with what they write, but at times we're too nitpicky about it.

Benjamin Grimm May 22 2007 01:06 PM

Nymr83 wrote: ]including Suzyn Waldman hunting down Mike Francesa at Shea Stadium this weekend and cursing him out those might be my two least-favorite sports-related people (that don't actually play/manage a team) in New York. I read in the News that it was Russo she hunted down. Maybe she had her say with both of them individually. I think, according to Raismann, she said something about how Russo "ruined her life." I'll go look for the quote...

Benjamin Grimm May 22 2007 01:10 PM

Here it is: ="Bob Raissman"]WALDMAN MAULS 'DOG': If Chris (Mad Dog) Russo was really a dog, Suzyn (Georgie Girl) Waldman might have been charged with cruelty to animals on Saturday. Yet, some might say Doggie deserved the verbal whipping Ma Pinstripe put on him. Russo mentioned the confrontation yesterday while working WFAN's "Impostors in the Morning" AM drive-time show with Mike Francesa (FranDog also talked about it in the afternoon). Waldman, still upset over FranDog mocking her Clemens gaga trip the Sunday that Rocket announced his return to the Bronx (the frantic WCBS-AM radio description was played over and over), tore into Russo after the two came face to face outside the Mets radio booth at Shea. Russo, according to well-embedded moles, tried defusing the situation by telling Waldman, "We were just having some fun." Waldman wasn't buying Russo's damage control/jive. She said she hoped he had "his two days of fun," but had "ruined her life" in the process." Following her down a corridor, Russo tried calming Waldman. But his attempt to soothe backfired. Momma P, screaming, dropped two fat F bombs on Russo before accusing him of "talking behind my back" for "20 years." Waldman's partner John (Pa Pinstripe) Sterling was marked absent during the blowout. No doubt he was high ... far ... gone. FranDog. Ma Pinstripe. Pa Pinstripe. Georgie Girl. Momma P. Impostors in the Morning. Raissman sure crams a lot of stupid nicknames into a handful of paragraphs. He'd be more readable if he'd cut back on that nonsense.

Edgy DC May 22 2007 01:12 PM

Russo it was. Mike and the Mad Dog are to me as da Gama and deLeon are to Ken Rosenthal.

Benjamin Grimm May 22 2007 01:18 PM

Understandable. You have some trouble discerning between two slightly different flavors of idiot. Nothing to be ashamed of.

metirish May 22 2007 01:18 PM

Raissman is credited with giving Russo the "Mad Dog" moniker.

Centerfield May 22 2007 01:20 PM

Nicknames aside, Raissman has really been cranking them out of the park this year. It's nice to see someone in the media call out those MFY broadcasters for what they are.

seawolf17 May 22 2007 01:29 PM

"Ruined her life?" Come on, Susan. First, you brought this on yourself by acting like the N64 kid. Second, you've been in NY long enough to have a thicker skin than that.

soupcan May 22 2007 01:32 PM

="Centerfield"]Nicknames aside, Raissman has really been cranking them out of the park this year. It's nice to see someone in the media call out those MFY broadcasters for what they are. Now if he would just shave that squirrel off his face he might approach respectability...

Frayed Knot May 22 2007 01:39 PM

Pssst Suzyn, it's not just MadDog ... EVERYONE is making fun of your Clemens rant!

Nymr83 May 22 2007 01:40 PM

I'm with Russo on this one. She acted like an IDIOT on the radio and he is free to call her out on it. If she doesn't like it she should try harder not to sound like some screeching kid over the airwaves.

Edgy DC May 22 2007 01:43 PM

seawolf17: "Ruined her life?" Come on, Susan. First, you brought this on yourself by acting like the N64 kid. Second, you've been in NY long enough to have a thicker skin than that. /Edgy DC Googles "N64 Kid" and figures out reference. Edgy DC: I know, come on!

iramets May 22 2007 01:51 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: You're probably not totally wrong. However, I do remember us mocking David Wright for some of his "golly gee" comments, and his endorsement of that feces drinking guy. We made fun of Mike Piazza for his metrosexuality and his comment about how history moves chronologically through time. And I think we got on Keith Hernandez when he reacted to the female trainer in the San Diego dugout that time. I don't think the problem is that Mets employees don't get enough bile from us; I think that sometimes we're probably too quick to tear apart comments from sportswriters and sportscasters. It's okay to disagree with what they write, but at times we're too nitpicky about it. Yes, these are all incidents where good-humored fun-poking was tolerated briefly. But if anyone tried to suggest that Piazza's metrosexuality (for example) was any way significant, telling, meaningful, symbolic, emblematic or had serious carryovers to his essence, I doubt whether that would go over nearly as well as the perpetual castigations of character of, say, a Bob Klapisch if he were discovered to have written a suspect line or image. I'm not suggesting that I expect much different from a Mets fan site at this point. But I'll contrinue to advocate for an unbiased outlook--I just find that more interesting than the predictable pile-ons (and "Hey, get off him"s) that occur. To me, ballplayers, managers, celebs in general are more interesting the more human they are, the more varied, the more flawed, etc. Randolph (to pick an arbitrary example) has strengths, no doubt, and weaknesses. I think his fans are perhaps a little too quick to celebrate (or even to invent) strengths and much too quick to excuse, apologize for or even deny the weaknesses. But this is too much of a hijack, I think, in a thread otherwise devoted to piling on Suzyn Waldman, so maybe you should skip this point for now. I know I've made it often enough and I'll make it again elsewhere. Carry on.

Johnny Dickshot May 22 2007 02:00 PM

When I read "N64 Kid" I thought of this guy:

seawolf17 May 22 2007 02:15 PM

No, the N64 kid is definitely this kid:

metirish May 25 2007 08:11 AM

A british view of the Mets/MFY series...chock full of cliches. [url=http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/05/24/yay_or_nay_our_new_yorker_cant.html]Cliches Here[/url]