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Is there a reason Bret needs to be back?

ABG
Mar 27 2007 01:45 PM

Was it a suspension? Banishment? Sentence? What?

I liked his place so much better in the interim.

SteveJRogers
Mar 27 2007 03:06 PM

Again are we 100% sure Ira is Bret? Ira could be Paulie Cee or MetMaven for all we know at this point

Kid Carsey
Mar 27 2007 03:10 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 27 2007 05:06 PM

Everyone with half a wit is sure.

SteveJRogers
Mar 27 2007 03:14 PM

Kid Carsey wrote:
Everone with half a wit is sure.

Oh I'm sure as well, but unless there is some kind of proof

Hey Ira, will the Mets win a WS if they bring back Piazza next year? =;)

cooby
Mar 27 2007 03:46 PM

KC, I have to be honest with you. I never would have sent you that $20 if I had known.

Kid Carsey
Mar 27 2007 04:16 PM

I'm sorry you feel that way, cooby, I'd be more than happy to refund it.

I'm simply not going to get sucked into a Bret discussion at this time. I am
under a lot of stress at work preparing for an audit and a dozen other things.
Many of you would be surprised just how much stuff I'm responsible for and
it needs to get done and I can't be keeping one eye on the forum hoping it
doesn't implode into a shitstorm over one poster who has done nothing wrong
this time around all day. (ok, so that's a run-on but you get my drift)

I'm only speaking for myself and not the other three admins, but I think if
everyone takes a deep breath and looks at what's important and what's not
important ... the fact that a poster that some of you don't like is back is really
way way low on the totem pole of life.

cooby
Mar 27 2007 04:22 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 11 2007 09:43 AM

I don't want it back.


But you won't get another one.

metsmarathon
Mar 27 2007 06:21 PM

i'll take cooby's 20.

Nymr83
Mar 27 2007 08:04 PM

i'll pay 20 to re-ban him (i think i already offered money to ban cleon and that didnt help either)

Benjamin Grimm
Mar 28 2007 08:01 AM

I supported the banning last time around because the atmosphere in this forum had gotten particularly ugly.

But he's been back for almost five months now, and I have no problem with anything that he's said or done in that time. There's nothing to justify a rebanning, and until and unless there is I don't see any need to discuss doing so.

When Sal was banned last year, we all knew he'd eventually come back. My own personal opinion then and now was that if he returned and continued to be contrary, but not hostile, he'd be a welcome poster. And I have to say that that's how it's been.

Does he always agree with everyone else? No. But so what? Diversity of opinion makes things interesting. If you think back to what was wrong last time around, you'll find (I think) that none of those issues has returned.

His style of writing is easy to recognize. I'm surprised that some have continued to have doubts about his identity this long. He returned on October 31. I still thought he was a new guy when I left for Japan on November 19. Within a day or so of my return in early December I read his posts about the Mets trading Brian Bannister and I knew his "secret identity."

At that point I IM'ed him a welcome back message.

I'm glad he's here. I hope he continues the way he's been going. Anyone who can change a thread about Bowie Kuhn's death into a thread about the nature and definition of evil brings a unique perspective that makes this forum more interesting.

'Nuff said!

seawolf17
Mar 28 2007 08:11 AM

I'm with Yancy. So he's a douche sometimes; no big deal. Sometimes I really enjoy going at it with him, because I enjoy the dialogue. Every Pool party has one annoying kid who's splashing too much and being a dick, but that kid's usually harmless.

MFS62
Mar 28 2007 08:21 AM

Gee, you can't tell the players without a scorecard. Looks like that old post/thread with everyone's various screen names has to be exhumed and updated.

Later

Rotblatt
Mar 28 2007 09:09 AM

Hear hear, Yancy.

I have no problem with Sal coming back, particularly since he's been perfectly cordial to everyone since his return.

And hey, I'd rather have one more disgruntled Mets fan in the universe than another smug Red Sox fan, right?

MFS62
Mar 28 2007 09:24 AM

It seems that since his return, he has been upgraded to gruntled.
But the regular season hasn't started yet.

Later

Johnny Dickshot
Mar 28 2007 12:45 PM

The miraculous thing is irasal and edgy acknowledging one another's presence and exchanging banter like it's 1999.

metsmarathon
Mar 28 2007 12:53 PM

ah, a wonderful time waywaywayback when i was merely a frequent lurker. simpler times those were.

Kid Carsey
Mar 28 2007 06:45 PM

they say two thousand seven, seven, party over
oops, out of time
so tonight we are posting like it's 1999

Edgy DC
Mar 28 2007 08:43 PM

I just want the credit for being the foist to figure him out. Many scoffed at me. And not a few pooh-poohed.

But I was right. And you should all send me money in tribute.

duan
Apr 20 2007 09:12 AM
actually i think I owe him a book!

want to send me your $20-30 pick from amazon sal if it's you?

iramets
Apr 22 2007 04:50 AM

Funny, Duan, I was going to ask the same question to you.

I think our bet was whether Wiggy would hit some fairly low OPS (.750?) if he batted 450 times officially or had 475 plate appearances. As it turned out, he had an OPS well over .800 but he fell (as Dickshot notes [url=http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=3098&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20] here[/url]) a few ABs and PAs shy.

Luckily for you, because obviously if he'd struck out or hit exclusively into triple-plays for the few ABs and PAs he needed, I would have won the bet by a goodly margin.

But I've refrained from gloating, or demanding that you cough up the money anyway, because obviously no one won and no one lost that bet. The reason we set a standard of minimum ABs and PAs is that neither of us wanted to allow Wiggy to post his OPS in a small sample of PAs--and since he was WAY in excess of .750 at the time we made the bet, the possibility of his spending time on the DL obviously suited YOUR argument rather than mine.

So, far as I know, no one won the bet, though I came really close to winning, and you never had much of a chance.

I will note, FTR, though, that this demand of yours is exactly why I always insist in spelling out in lawyerly detail what does and does not constitute the bet we're making, though people like to call me out on my insistence on detail.

iramets
Apr 22 2007 04:54 AM

Kid Carsey wrote:
Everyone with half a wit is sure.

Kid Carsey, please avoid calling your fellow posters half-witted. Such insults only degrade the level of discourse in these parts, and we're trying to keep a civil tone in these fora. I thank you in advance for agreeing to raise the civility levels in the CPF.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 22 2007 05:01 AM

I loved that exchange:

Steve: I'm not sure.

KC: Everyone with half a wit is sure.

Steve: Well I'm sure too. But I need proof.

Kid Carsey
Apr 22 2007 07:47 AM

Technically, iramets is correct (even though he's pointing it out because I
emailed him and asked him not to call someone brainless earlier in the week).
I guess we've reached that stage where he's going to go into why's everyone
always picking on me when all I'm trying to do is talk baseball to youse mode.

*yawn* gosh I'm tired.

The difference is, of course, is that I know SteveJRogers and I know that I can
make sport of him from time to time and he's not going to be offended. If I piss
him off enough, he'll just post the lyrics to She's Always A Woman To Me to start
off an IGT and it will be settled.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 22 2007 08:34 AM

And anyway, this IS the Red Light Forum.

duan
Apr 23 2007 05:34 AM

iramets wrote:
Funny, Duan, I was going to ask the same question to you.

I think our bet was whether Wiggy would hit some fairly low OPS (.750?) if he batted 450 times officially or had 475 plate appearances. As it turned out, he had an OPS well over .800 but he fell (as Dickshot notes [url=http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=3098&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20] here[/url]) a few ABs and PAs shy.

Luckily for you, because obviously if he'd struck out or hit exclusively into triple-plays for the few ABs and PAs he needed, I would have won the bet by a goodly margin.

But I've refrained from gloating, or demanding that you cough up the money anyway, because obviously no one won and no one lost that bet. The reason we set a standard of minimum ABs and PAs is that neither of us wanted to allow Wiggy to post his OPS in a small sample of PAs--and since he was WAY in excess of .750 at the time we made the bet, the possibility of his spending time on the DL obviously suited YOUR argument rather than mine.

So, far as I know, no one won the bet, though I came really close to winning, and you never had much of a chance.

I will note, FTR, though, that this demand of yours is exactly why I always insist in spelling out in lawyerly detail what does and does not constitute the bet we're making, though people like to call me out on my insistence on detail.

Cool enough. I was sorta surprised that I hadn't paid the bet thinking you'd won, though now I do recall that it got correctly tracked into me being a lucky non-loser.

iramets
Jun 24 2007 03:55 AM

duan wrote:
="iramets"]Funny, Duan, I was going to ask the same question to you.

I think our bet was whether Wiggy would hit some fairly low OPS (.750?) if he batted 450 times officially or had 475 plate appearances. As it turned out, he had an OPS well over .800 but he fell (as Dickshot notes [url=http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=3098&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20] here[/url]) a few ABs and PAs shy.

Luckily for you, because obviously if he'd struck out or hit exclusively into triple-plays for the few ABs and PAs he needed, I would have won the bet by a goodly margin.

But I've refrained from gloating, or demanding that you cough up the money anyway, because obviously no one won and no one lost that bet. The reason we set a standard of minimum ABs and PAs is that neither of us wanted to allow Wiggy to post his OPS in a small sample of PAs--and since he was WAY in excess of .750 at the time we made the bet, the possibility of his spending time on the DL obviously suited YOUR argument rather than mine.

So, far as I know, no one won the bet, though I came really close to winning, and you never had much of a chance.

I will note, FTR, though, that this demand of yours is exactly why I always insist in spelling out in lawyerly detail what does and does not constitute the bet we're making, though people like to call me out on my insistence on detail.

Cool enough. I was sorta surprised that I hadn't paid the bet thinking you'd won, though now I do recall that it got correctly tracked into me being a lucky non-loser.



Update since St. George's Day: I think I won the bet, Duan, on further review. I happened to check [url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wiggity01.shtml] Wiggy's stats[/url] for 2006 today and was surprised to find that he well exceeded 475 PAs, Dickshot's confident statement to the contrary (above) notwithstanding. I also see that in my paraphrase of the bet (I don't know where the original phrasing is---do you?) the language was 450 ABs OR 475 PAs, and Wiggy had 480 something PAs, adding up his ABs, BB, HBP, etc.

As it happens, I'll be in England next month (not exactly around the corner from you, I understand) so I could collect in person, if you're agreeable.

I'll also make further efforts to find the original language, but the paraphrase, which I thought got you off the hook at first, now seems to place you on it again.

martin
Jun 25 2007 11:55 AM

this iramets gentleman clearly is an insufferable pompous gasbag, but i dunno if that means he detracts from things so much that he should be banned. people arent gonna needlessly insult themselves. besides, isnt there some forum function that allows for blocking out the posts of scoundrels if you dont wanna see em?

also every time somebody takes a shot at stevejrogers i die a little inside.

metirish
Jun 25 2007 01:12 PM

I think Stevo is well liked on the board,ira has contributed mightily to this place since coming out of exile,and anyway soon he'll be the Brits problem.

iramets
Jun 25 2007 05:23 PM

metirish wrote:
ira has contributed mightily to this place.


Thanks, irish, though to Martin's credit, I am also an insufferable pompous gasbag, heaping insult upon insult, wrong upon wrong.

seawolf17
Jun 25 2007 06:06 PM

But you're our insufferable pompous gasbag.

I'm going to go on record as saying I really enjoy Steve's posts. There are three people who make me laugh nearly every day: my son, Steve, and the crazy receptionist in our office.

Elster88
Aug 04 2007 06:35 AM

Can one of the mods change ira's designation? The giant avatar is a pain, and who knows when ira will post again.

seawolf17
Aug 04 2007 06:37 PM

Soon enough, we'll be on to the next page on any threads he's posted in, so I wouldn't worry about it.

Nymr83
Aug 24 2007 12:39 PM

where has bret been? did he deliberately stop on the jay satan post and go on vacation?

Willets Point
Aug 24 2007 12:55 PM

It's a mystery.

Kid Carsey
Aug 24 2007 03:30 PM

iramets user id was shut down (I think on 7/30) for 100 days.

Similarly, cleaonjones is shut down for 30 days.

I know, I know ... we suck ass hair.

Nymr83
Aug 24 2007 03:41 PM

we knew cleon was on "vacation" but i guess we all missed the part where bret got the red card, his last post said he was gonna take some time off so it didnt even seem conspicuous

Willets Point
Aug 24 2007 03:41 PM

Wow, I thought ira had voluntarily taken a break.

Kid Carsey
Aug 24 2007 04:11 PM

You did?

OlerudOwned
Aug 25 2007 12:13 PM

Kid Carsey wrote:
You did?

I did too.

Nymr83
Aug 25 2007 12:35 PM

we all thought so, the last post he made was this:

]I think I'm going to stop posting for a while.

Don't think it's cuz I don't love every one of you, because I do. I just need a little time away, but meantime you can try to come up with rebuttals

Kid Carsey
Aug 25 2007 12:38 PM

I didn't purposely not disclose this information publically if that is the direction
that this wants to go. Anyone interested in being part of the next flare up and
have a say in such matters can click here.

OlerudOwned
Aug 25 2007 01:03 PM

Kid Carsey wrote:
I didn't purposely not disclose this information publically if that is the direction
that this wants to go. Anyone interested in being part of the next flare up and
have a say in such matters can click here.

I don't think it was heading in that direction at all. Speaking for myself, I was just a bit surprised, for reason nymr has already brought up.