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Mark Healey Apr 10 2007 09:40 AM

If Edgy and the rest of you don't object, I'd like to try this as a way to share GBM stories. To start: http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1176131836.php http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1175832345.php As always your comments are always appreciated (even if it doesn't seem that way) :-)

Mark Healey Apr 11 2007 08:50 AM

Al Cohn wants to know where the hell Endy Chavez is... [url]http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1176302063.php[/url] and he loves feedback, for better or worse. here's another interesting (to me, anyway) debate topic...is the RBI overrated? [url]http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1176298468.php[/url]

cooby Apr 11 2007 06:01 PM

I have a feeling Endy will get his ABs.

Mark Healey Apr 12 2007 07:09 AM

cooby wrote: I have a feeling Endy will get his ABs. Al (and I) surely hope so...and not of the mop-up variety as was the case last night.

Mark Healey Apr 12 2007 07:10 AM

http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1176383188.php Howard Megdal looks at the Mets and Yankees' pitchers

Johnny Dickshot Apr 12 2007 07:18 AM

Endy is fine in his role: He & Castro are about the only guy on the bench to be an advantage anymore. Newhan's got zero talent and desn't scare anyone, Easley looks like he'll be used as a straight platoonie, Franco's alright if and only if you need a single. Of course the RBI is overrated. I don't think the Mets or Yannx necessarily set out specifically to create staffs that look like they do this year: That's just how they turned out.That said I wouldn't trade our starting 5 for theirs.

metirish Apr 12 2007 07:30 AM

Who would you sit right now so Chavez can play more?,not to blow a hole in Cohen's theory that the Mets were a different team with Reyes and Chavez hitting 1-2 but Endy hit second in 20 games with 20 hits,he hit seventh,eight and ninth 20 times or more,eight 45 times and ninth 31 times. I think Mr.Cohen is being a bit nostalgic when talking about Endy.

Edgy DC Apr 12 2007 07:47 AM

Endy will get his opportunity. As will Park. Let's not force the issue.

Mark Healey Apr 13 2007 08:19 AM

I agree that Endy will be asked to play more often as the season progresses, but I also think that there may have been some places where he could have played. Not a biggie, but Al's a big Endy guy. :-) I guess I'm from the Bobby V school of keeping everyone fresh...this is a different team of course, so I get why Willie does things differently

Mark Healey Apr 13 2007 08:21 AM

A couple of new talking points: (another piecce from AL): Al Wants Small Ball http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1176473662.php Megdal at Shea:(he was on assignment for us at Shea last night) http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1176473215.php Nats-Mets Series Preview (one of the new guys, getting his feet wet) http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1176472639.php As always, your feedback, readership and hospitatlity is always appreciated. MH

Johnny Dickshot Apr 13 2007 11:05 AM

I believe generally, small ball is a self-fulfilling, self-defeating prophecy. Teams that cannot score big tend to use it, and using it tends to prevent them from scoring big, which encourages its use... etc etc etc. The Mets IMO did way too much of this in 2005, not to mention for the first 22 years of the organization. Davey Johnson had the right idea about offense. Howard is a good writer.

Mark Healey Apr 16 2007 08:14 PM

Feedback is good, Rudeness, not so much http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1176725270.php Al's all for debate, just not the nastiness...

Nymr83 Apr 16 2007 09:38 PM

]...In sum, I believe Willie Randolph helped convert him from a journeyman to a star last year... the word "star" does not in any way apply to endy chavez.

Edgy DC Apr 16 2007 10:01 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Apr 17 2007 07:29 AM

Nymr, always with the absolutes. Here's one for you, Heals. I registered for your forum to post it there, but I've been waiting an hour for my confirmation. Dear Gotham Baseball, I appreciated reading Patrick Andriola's recent story on the Mets 1999 infield ("The Cheap Seats: The Perfect Storm of Infielders," 4/5/2007). A few minor points are worth noting however. John Olerud did not come to the Mets as a free agent, but was acquired from the Toronto Blue Jays in the 1996-1997 offseason in a trade for Robert Person. The author seems to be saying in the seventh paragraph that Edgardo Alfonzo had never been a secondbaseman before. In fact, he came up as middle infielder, having been a shortstop in the minors before switching to second when Rey Ordoñez was acquired, but second, too, was oocupied when he arrived at Shea. He still played 98 games at second --- including the majority (66) of his 1996 appearances --- during his initial tenure as a utility man, before switching to third only when he became a full-timer. He was well experienced. Andriola may be meaning to imply that it was Edgardo's first year as a full-time secondbaseman, which he writes more clearly in the fifth paragraph. But Fonzie certainly had plenty of experience prior to the move. It's confusing to the reader who might be unfamiliar. Most importantly, Andriola seems to be missing the point of the Sports Illustrated article he uses as a jumping-off point, and this becomes clear by the penultimate paragraph. In describing them as possibly the "best infield ever," the article's author was judging them for their defensive performance, not for their overall play. Thanks again for the recollections of these fine infielders in a wonderful season. Sincerely, Edgy DC

Frayed Knot Apr 17 2007 07:15 AM

Edgy will use any excuse to get the word 'penultimate' into print.

Mark Healey Apr 19 2007 11:24 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Please PM me yourr username and I'll make sure it gets activated forthwith...that goes for anyone else that may be experiencing the same delay. I think I just used Edgy DC.

Mark Healey Apr 19 2007 11:24 AM

Oh, and here's Megadl's latest: http://gothambaseball.com/news/1176992031.php He's been a big proponent of Maine...

Mark Healey Apr 22 2007 09:45 AM

Why is Reyes never thought of as a possible captain? http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1177256305.php I've been working on a lot of different projects for GBM this past few months, so it's pretty great to get GN back off the inactive list. As always, feedback is appreciated.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 10:01 AM

Because he's nine?

Mark Healey Apr 22 2007 10:20 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Because he's nine? LOL...and what, Wright's 32?

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 11:03 AM

More seriously, I'm not sure that I agree with, "Since he came though the system, David Wright has been heralded as the future captain of the Mets." But if that's true, its' people getting way ahead of themselves with WRight, not being behind on Reyes.

Mark Healey Apr 25 2007 08:46 AM

Edgy DC wrote: More seriously, I'm not sure that I agree with, "Since he came though the system, David Wright has been heralded as the future captain of the Mets." But if that's true, its' people getting way ahead of themselves with WRight, not being behind on Reyes. I started covering the Mets' minor leagues in 2001, and when started his first season in 2001, even then, I heard stuff like that about Wright. I don't think anyone's behind on Reyes, I just don't think they are thinking of him in that fashion, and I was asking a rhetorical question, I guess.

Mark Healey Apr 25 2007 08:47 AM

Al Cohn's latest: http://gothambaseball.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1755 Feedback, as always, is appreciated.

Mark Healey Apr 26 2007 11:30 AM

Megdal goes Inside Shea: http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1177593387.php

sharpie Apr 26 2007 12:12 PM

]Asked if the Mets were planning to have a Japanese restaurant in Citifield, Perez said, “I don’t know. But I sure hope so.” Why would anyone expect Oliver Perez to know what restaurant plans there are for Citifield?

metirish Apr 26 2007 12:33 PM

Maybe they thought it was Timo Perez,he speaks japanese...

Edgy DC Apr 26 2007 12:38 PM

They should have asked him if there was going to be a gruel restaurant.

Mark Healey May 01 2007 09:32 AM

A Fan's View: Social Insecurity http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1178032530.php Al's not so much loving the veteran core these days. The Cheap Seats: Leave Wright Be http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1178033092.php Pat Andriola's take on the slump of David Wright...

metirish May 01 2007 09:54 AM

Not a bad article from Andriola on D Wright,I think most Mets know that Wright is still getting on base,it's just that he's been terrible everywhere else,hitting with RISP he has been especially brutal.

Mark Healey May 03 2007 09:12 AM

Howard's latest TMOT: http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1178204881.php Al's View: http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1178199268.php Marty's D'Backs-Mets Preview http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1178202692.php

Mark Healey May 09 2007 07:56 AM

Al Cohn wants to fix stuff http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1178717394.php Does he? (P.S. Al loves feedback, good or bad or otherwise, so feel free to fire waway)

metirish May 09 2007 08:10 AM

I think Al Cohn is being unfair to Green,yes his errors have looked glaring on the tele,I would have signed up for this from Green before the season started,would he be any better with the glove at first?. Delgado missed one week of spring training IIRC,could be wrong on that.

soupcan May 09 2007 08:21 AM

Ditto to what irish said. Put Green at first and sit Delgado? In the first week of May? Of course because the Mets are only tied for first place. Makes pefect sense.

Benjamin Grimm May 09 2007 08:32 AM

I'd consider juggling their lineup slots for a while: let Green hit higher in the lineup and Delgado lower, but benching Delgado doesn't make any sense to me at all.

Mark Healey May 17 2007 11:17 AM

http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1179421564.php That's my take on the Milledge situation...

martin May 17 2007 11:31 AM

couple typos, suberb and sympton, "won" instead of own. performnace. the mets have white fans i guess, and they feel like they should say something. but i wonder if anyone would care if they said nothing. i can't imagine many people would mind.

Vic Sage May 17 2007 11:34 AM

Agreed. But it's "superb", not "suberb".

Edgy DC May 17 2007 11:49 AM

Is it true, does anybody recall, that the Mets received no journalistic criticism when they re-signed Mota?

martin May 17 2007 11:49 AM

right. thats why i pointed it out. its not sympton or performnace either.

metirish May 17 2007 11:50 AM

Mark,are you suggesting that the various news papers in town used older pictures of Milledge because with his braids it made him look "gangsta",I'm a bit confused as to what him wearing braids has got to do with anything,did he cut them because he didn't want to look "gangsta",perhaps the Mets urged him to do so?.... I'm fairly certain that Wally at Newsday hammered the mets for signing Mota.

Edgy DC May 17 2007 11:51 AM

I imagine that was the most readily available photo of Milledge representing himself as a rap figure.

Rotblatt May 17 2007 12:15 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Is it true, does anybody recall, that the Mets received no journalistic criticism when they re-signed Mota? I don't remember reading any from the daily rags, and I was kind of looking for it . . . But I'm not positive.

Mark Healey May 17 2007 12:36 PM

Thnaks for the edit, guys, errors fixed. In my haste to get it up I must have missed those. As for the Mota stuff, the Daily News didn't raise any objections when Mota was signed, and Matthews always seems to be criticizing the Mets for something, so maybe I missed that.

Mark Healey May 17 2007 12:37 PM

Edgy DC wrote: I imagine that was the most readily available photo of Milledge representing himself as a rap figure. Seems dicey to me to use an old photo.

Mark Healey May 17 2007 12:41 PM

metirish wrote: Mark,are you suggesting that the various news papers in town used older pictures of Milledge because with his braids it made him look "gangsta",I'm a bit confused as to what him wearing braids has got to do with anything,did he cut them because he didn't want to look "gangsta",perhaps the Mets urged him to do so. Yeah, I am. Is there another reason I'm not aware of?

Edgy DC May 17 2007 01:16 PM

Well, another reason would be that it was the most readily available photo of Milledge representing himself as a rap figure. It's a publicity shot for the recordings, right? It's not like there aren't dozens of available file photos of Milledge with braids in a baseball uniform.

Mark Healey May 17 2007 01:45 PM

It's editorializing, IMO. Just another example of some of the media in this town taking every opportunity to pile on the Mets.

Edgy DC May 17 2007 01:50 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 17 2007 02:13 PM

I understand it's your opinion. I'm trying to see if the facts you base your opinion on hold up. There is another credible possible reason. And even as I'm discussing it, you're claiming that you're unaware of one. As for editorializing, most of what you're criticizing is editorial content --- rather than news --- isn't it? I mostly agree with you. But I wouldn't expect the NYC tabloids to make any other choices. Demonizing is a big part of what they do.

Johnny Dickshot May 17 2007 01:51 PM

I don't think it has anything to do with the Mets. If there was a budding rapper in the Yankees org who used the word "Ho" they'd be all over him too, just as unfairly. The issue here which I think you get to amid too much other stuff is the surpression of free expression from the media, your employer and your city councilman.

metirish May 17 2007 01:57 PM

Mark Healey wrote: ="metirish"]Mark,are you suggesting that the various news papers in town used older pictures of Milledge because with his braids it made him look "gangsta",I'm a bit confused as to what him wearing braids has got to do with anything,did he cut them because he didn't want to look "gangsta",perhaps the Mets urged him to do so. Yeah, I am. Is there another reason I'm not aware of? So in your mind there is a media(print) conspiracy against Milledge?,rather naive IMO.

Mark Healey May 17 2007 03:29 PM

Edgy DC wrote: I understand it's your opinion. I'm trying to see if the facts you base your opinion on hold up. There is another credible possible reason. And even as I'm discussing it, you're claiming that you're unaware of one. As for editorializing, most of what you're criticizing is editorial content --- rather than news --- isn't it? I mostly agree with you. But I wouldn't expect the NYC tabloids to make any other choices. Demonizing is a big part of what they do. I guess I'm too jaded to think that there might be another reason..I have our photogs take tons of pics at each individual shoot, so for the DN, NYP or Newsday to claim that they didn't have any available photos of him would seem lame to me.

Mark Healey May 17 2007 03:47 PM

="metirish"] ="Mark Healey"] ="metirish"]Mark,are you suggesting that the various news papers in town used older pictures of Milledge because with his braids it made him look "gangsta",I'm a bit confused as to what him wearing braids has got to do with anything,did he cut them because he didn't want to look "gangsta",perhaps the Mets urged him to do so. Yeah, I am. Is there another reason I'm not aware of? So in your mind there is a media(print) conspiracy against Milledge?,rather naive IMO. There's no conspiracy, but it sure appears as if there is.

martin May 17 2007 03:57 PM

i dont get it, the story is about milledge's rap business, so the photos used are him as a rapper. makes sense. maybe i am missing something.

Mark Healey May 18 2007 09:31 PM

Enough about L Millz...more about the Gotham Cup! http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1179545208.php Come one, Come All....to Central Park on Sat and Sunday... I would love to meet any and all who come, and hand you a mag or two!

Edgy DC May 18 2007 09:38 PM

Mark Healey wrote: ...so for the DN, NYP or Newsday to claim that they didn't have any available photos of him would seem lame to me. That's not what I said.

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