Forum Home

Master Index of Archived Threads


Lake Hopebegone

Farmer Ted
Apr 13 2007 10:42 AM

The baseball beat writers in Philly are in panic mode. Good.

Rich Hofmann | Even Phillies admit it's getting late early

NEW YORK - Fathers and sons, arm-in-arm, trundled down the ramps at Shea Stadium after the game ended and joined in the time-honored chant, "Yank-ees suck, Yank-ees suck." Two minutes after the final out was recorded, the Phillies were an afterthought.

With that, welcome home.

At two-and-seven.

Their worst start in 20 years.

There is little to say, seeing as how the aroma is currently traveling faster than the speed of sound. The Phils are just playing lousy. They are squandering what has been excellent starting pitching. They should have about six wins by now, based on how good the starters have been - including Jamie Moyer, who gave up three earned runs in six busy innings last night.

But they have two wins, only two. It will be interesting to see the reception they receive tonight in the little ballpark at Lake Hopebegone, where the feelings are strong, the history isn't good-looking, and the frustrations are above average.

"We're just putting ourselves in a tough situation, just like we have the last couple of years," Pat Burrell was saying after the loss, another loss, this one by a 5-3 score. "Now we have to fight to get back on top.

"We just flat haven't played as well as we should. You can always point fingers - 'This is why, this is why' - but in the end, we're not winning. We have to find a way just to come out and win, period.

"We're playing well sporadically, but we're not doing it all at the same time," he said. "That's what is hurting us."

Burrell entered last night hitting .357, but he was as quiet as the rest of them against Tom Glavine and Friends - except for Jimmy Rollins, who clubbed two more home runs. Glavine struggled early and had a high pitch count after two innings, but the Phils let him settle in. As manager Charlie Manuel said, "He made some adjustments and we kind of got anxious on him."

It is their way now.

Two-and-seven and everybody is anxious. Again.

"From the end of last season to now, I thought we would be able to pull it off and come out and play strong," Burrell was saying. "We just haven't done it. The good news is that it's early. Everybody says that. But you know what? We can't have that attitude. We have to play like it's September and we have to do it right now."

If you are looking for great insight into this nascent disaster, look elsewhere. There is very little to be said that hasn't already been said. Repeat: They're just playing lousy. A couple of nights, the fault has belonged with the bullpen. Most of the rest of the time, it has belonged to all of them - who have not hit in the clutch, and who have not hit much of anything the last couple of nights, other than Rollins.

"I know we're going to hit," Manuel said. "Our offense will come around. I know we can score runs and we will."

He is probably right. You have to believe that Chase Utley (.231, three RBI) and Ryan Howard (.212, one HR, five RBI) will find themselves pretty soon. The problem, though, is the timing. Every franchise has a place in its life cycle, and this franchise's place is one where another slow start is unacceptable. Their fans won't take it. The people in charge should not take it.

If this limps along like this for another week, general manager Pat Gillick owes this manager and these fans a move of some kind. He owes Manuel another bullpen arm. He owes the fans a sign that this season is not yet over. And there really is very little time to get this thing turned around. Even in a year when Daylight Saving's Time has already arrived, it really can get late early around here.

Because they are wasting this starting pitching. That is the real sin of the thing. It would appear that they have the hardest thing knocked, or close to knocked. Starting pitching is such a big part of this game and the Phils have shown a bunch of it so far. Given that, 2-7 is ridiculous.

"We've talked about it," Burrell said, when asked if anybody among the players says out loud that the turnaround needs to happen now. "We have talked. We've had meetings and stuff where we say, 'It's time to go get 'em.' But it's one thing to say it, another thing to do it. We haven't been able to pull it together. Now's the time."

It had better be.

Edgy DC
Apr 13 2007 10:47 AM

But they have two wins, only two. It will be interesting to see the reception they receive tonight in the little ballpark at Lake Hopebegone, where the feelings are strong, the history isn't good-looking, and the frustrations are above average.
Force it, why don'tcha?

Johnny Dickshot
Apr 13 2007 11:08 AM

Anyone who thinks the Phils are done are making a mistake.

I was thinking last night there is probably not an organization in all of bb that wouldn't be thrilled to have as many productive homegrown regular players as the Phils have: Howard, Utley, Rollins, Burrell, Myers, Hamels, Madson -- all better than average to very good guys (others recently departed were also homegrown in Leiberthal and Wolf).

It just seems though like there's something evil lurking within the orgaziation, or maybe the city itself, that prevents them from having had more success. There's been questionable free agent Phillers (Bell), questionable managerial guys (Bowa and now Manuel haven't had any luck). The organization seems to frequently battle with its popular players (Schilling, Rolen) and get stuck with its poor citizens (Myers, Burrell).

Edgy DC
Apr 13 2007 11:11 AM

It'll be interesting to see if anything comes out of the deal for Abreu and Lidle.

Yancy Street Gang
Apr 13 2007 11:12 AM

No, I'm not counting them out yet either.

I did want a series sweep this week in order to put them in as deep a hole as we could. They will start to climb eventually.

Farmer Ted
Apr 13 2007 11:33 AM

I can't find the article, but when Philly was eying locations for the new Phillies ballpark, city officials brought in a feng shui expert looked at five or so proposed sites and the worst was the current location. The two best were in center city and another on the Delaware in NE Philly.

Frankly, watching that team the past few nights, they're going to be trouble. Once Howard hits a few more dingers and Utley gets on base more, no one will be doubting them. It was just funny how Rich Hoffman was ready to pack in for the Phils on April 13th.

Willets Point
Apr 13 2007 11:36 AM

I'd rather race for the pennant against the Phillies than the Braves.

Elster88
Apr 13 2007 12:42 PM

Is Burrell still considered better-than-average?

dinosaur jesus
Apr 13 2007 12:46 PM

If he isn't, he should be.

OlerudOwned
Apr 13 2007 01:15 PM

A lock for 25-30 HR a year, a career .363 OBP in spite of an awful 2003, a .280/.412/.539 line lifetime against LHP. I'd take him over Alou in half a heartbeat.

Frayed Knot
Apr 13 2007 01:17 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if anything comes out of the deal for Abreu and Lidle.

They almost certainly won't get anything resembling equal value seeing as how it was a pure salary dump.
- Matt Smith is a LH reliever who has had a handful of decent ML innings so far but is already about to turn 28.
- C.J. Henry is a college reliever who was a high draft pick about 2 years back and would probably be considered the "prize" in the whole deal
- and the other two were strictly throw-ins as far as I know: Carlos Monastrios & Jesus Sanchez


I never quite got why the Phils felt they "had" to make that deal. It was like they decided to do something since they couldn't deal Burrell.
Just another example of the bad karma Dickshot was talking about that's been keeping them down in recent years.

Johnny Dickshot
Apr 13 2007 01:27 PM

I also saw recently where the minor league SS the Phils received in the Sal Fasano trade from the MFYs tested positive for roids.

Centerfield
Apr 13 2007 02:02 PM

I wish "Yankees Suck" would stop being a time-honored tradition. We went further than they did last year. They should be chanting about how we suck.

sharpie
Apr 13 2007 02:07 PM

]A lock for 25-30 HR a year, a career .363 OBP in spite of an awful 2003, a .280/.412/.539 line lifetime against LHP. I'd take him over Alou in half a heartbeat.

OPS
Burrell/Alou

2000 .822/1.039
2001 .815/.950
2002 .920/.756
2003 .713/.819
2004 .820/.918
2005 .893/.918
2006 .890/.923

Both are sub-par fielders, neither has any speed. Burrell is younger but it is doubtful he will ever be as good a player as Alou has been. I would take one season of Alou over one season of Burrell in half-a-heartbeat.

OlerudOwned
Apr 13 2007 02:26 PM

Yeah, wow, I think I misread Alou's lines or something when I checked Baseball Reference. My bad.

Anyway, the important thing is, Burrell is a good power hitter and Philly fans suck.

Willets Point
Apr 13 2007 02:44 PM

Centerfield wrote:
I wish "Yankees Suck" would stop being a time-honored tradition. We went further than they did last year. They should be chanting about how we suck.

You forget about "26 rings, that's all that matters!!!!"