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4/1/2007 Schaefer Commentary
| Elster88 Apr 01 2007 11:46 PM |
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Beltran threw an absolutely perfect bullet to nail that scrappy little bastard at home. Plus the centerfield cam made me feel like I was the one throwing the ball. Great work all around.
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| metirish Apr 01 2007 11:47 PM |
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Yeah great throw and I thought the same thing about the camera work....
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| Gwreck Apr 02 2007 12:13 AM |
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I think the camera work was irrelevant to the Schaefer considerations. As was the throw, for that matter. One of those rare instances where I agreed with Morgan/Miller, that unless the throw got Eckstein it wasn't a good idea. Further, if you thought that was worthy of points, why wasn't Valentin's DP work (particularly in the 8th) worthy?
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 02 2007 06:41 AM |
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I gave points to Valentin and to Beltran. And to Alou as well. All mainly for defense, although Beltran's RBI also was a factor.
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| Johnny Dickshot Apr 02 2007 06:46 AM |
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IMO, if Beltran deserves credit for that D, so too did LoDuca who as we all remember from last opening day, isn't a sure bet at a play at the plate.
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| Frayed Knot Apr 02 2007 09:03 AM |
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I missed what Miller/Morgan said (as I was only half-listening) but I assume it had something to do with the throw being to high for the cutoff man (which it was). What makes that throw even better is one-hopping it to LoDuke so it's lower and cut-off-able in the infield instead of hitting him on the fly - but there's no way Beltran should just concede the run and toss it into 2nd (and I soitenly hope that's not what M&M were saying). But, despite that imperfection, the accuracy was effin' perfect and I'm going give Beltran a few sips for it. And while the camera angle obviously shouldn't factor into things, it was just a really cool shot.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 02 2007 09:12 AM |
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No, the hyphens are okay. Since minuses aren't valid, I ignore any hyphens. The problem is when some rogue voter tries to award negative points. Some wiseguy saying Wagner -3 after a blown save will actually be giving Wagner 3 points if I don't catch it and void the vote.
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| metirish Apr 02 2007 09:18 AM |
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What Morgan said was that it was a bad play if Eckstein doesn't get tagged out,but as it was he said it was a great throw and tag . Question... When Reyes got picked off Morgan said it was a balk...fair enough but then Miller shot his argument to pieces ,IIRC Miller said that it was ok to deceive the runner once the pitcher was not on the rubber(after stepping towards third_. Who's right?
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| Edgy DC Apr 02 2007 09:18 AM |
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Freaking wiseguys.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 02 2007 10:38 AM |
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Wow! 17 votes already! Great job. Let's keep it up!
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| Frayed Knot Apr 02 2007 10:38 AM |
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If he's saying that the play was bad because the throw was too high he's (somewhat) right. If he's saying that not getting him alone makes it a bad play then he's wrong.
Once breaking contact w/the rubber the pitcher can do pretty much anything he likes.
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| dinosaur jesus Apr 02 2007 10:48 AM |
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I hate the balk rule anyway. Why is it wrong to deceive the runner? Deception is a natural part of the game. Why outlaw just a few arbitrarily selected forms of it?
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| Edgy DC Apr 02 2007 10:58 AM |
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Places where deception is outlawed:
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 02 2007 11:00 AM |
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3. Urine analysis
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| Elster88 Apr 03 2007 12:51 AM |
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Oh you think so, Sherlock?
You're wrong
Yep, you're definitely wrong.
Good thing the throw got him then.
Beltran's throw was much more impressive. I'll give Valentin some love for his play in the 8th.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 03 2007 06:45 AM |
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I'm not going to "sticky" it since it's already gotten 20 votes, but I'll be closing the voting for the April 1 game on Wednesday morning. If anyone hasn't voted and wants to, there's still time. http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6000
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| Gwreck Apr 03 2007 07:53 AM |
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You brought it up in the "Schaefer Commentary" thread, wiseass. No need for the attitude. Valentin's play (even if less technically impressive) was more important in determining the result of the game.
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| Edgy DC Apr 03 2007 08:07 AM Re: 4/1/2007 Schaefer Commentary |
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I'm thinking of programming our profanity filter to just replace the word "scrappy" with "white."
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| vtmet Apr 03 2007 12:03 PM |
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I gave points for defense to: Beltran; Valentin; Reyes; Alou;
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| Nymr83 Apr 03 2007 12:35 PM Re: 4/1/2007 Schaefer Commentary |
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LMAO it might also read "white, short, and not large enough to be suspected of steroid use"
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| Frayed Knot Apr 03 2007 12:39 PM |
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His new nickname, btw, is Inseckstein, because he's a small and annoying pest.
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| seawolf17 Apr 03 2007 12:42 PM |
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edit: found it.
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| Elster88 Apr 03 2007 10:23 PM Re: 4/1/2007 Schaefer Commentary |
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Why, you don't know any scrappy non-white players?
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| Elster88 Apr 03 2007 10:24 PM |
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You're killing me brother.
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| Edgy DC Apr 03 2007 10:35 PM Re: 4/1/2007 Schaefer Commentary |
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Yes, I do, but it's applied journalistically almost exclusively to white players.
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| Elster88 Apr 03 2007 10:42 PM Re: 4/1/2007 Schaefer Commentary |
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I have a theory that many journalists (typically a white middle-aged male) think they coulda been ballplayers if only they had worked harder. So when they see a smaller dude busting his ass they patronizingly use the word scrappy because they think "If only I had worked that hard". That way they can avoid acknowledging that the smaller white dude has any athletic ability whatsoever. Of course this probably can only be true if the stereotypical middle-aged white sportswriter is more than a stereotype. For myself, I think the word scrappy is fun to say. I'm gonna have to add it to the appropriate NBF thread.
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 05 2007 02:14 PM |
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Scroll down to the bottom of the box score: http://www.ultimatemets.com/gamedetail.php?gameno=7233 You'll see that little beer-colored (sort of) box at the bottom of each of the 2006 games as well.
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| dinosaur jesus Apr 05 2007 02:18 PM |
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"Scrappy" does tend to mean "white." But not always. It can be applied to any undersized, undertalented player. Juan Pierre is often described as scrappy.
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| Edgy DC Apr 05 2007 02:24 PM |
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We should be fucking honored.
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| seawolf17 Apr 05 2007 03:15 PM |
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I fucking hated Scrappy. He totally ruined the show.
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