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Rubbergame Sunday: ATL (Smoltz) @ NYM (Glavine), 4/22/07

OlerudOwned Apr 22 2007 11:06 AM

Braves K. Johnson 2b E. Renteria ss C. Jones 3b A. Jones cf B. McCann c J. Francoeur rf M. Diaz lf C. Wilson 1b J. Smoltz p =orange]Mets J. Reyes ss P. Lo Duca c C. Beltran cf C. Delgado 1b D. Wright 3b M. Alou lf S. Green rf J. Valentin 2b T. Glavine p

Johnny Dickshot Apr 22 2007 11:09 AM

Blue caps! I'm going out to play and will try to catch updates via my little fruity radio.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 11:10 AM

It's not often you get the A-list lineup on a Sunday afternoon.

OlerudOwned Apr 22 2007 11:11 AM

1 pitch, 1 run for Atlanta. Put Oliver back out there.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 11:11 AM

Which doesn't stop Kelly Johnson from crushing the first pitch for a 1-0 lead.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 22 2007 11:12 AM

Jesus, Tommy.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 11:27 AM

Nothing really over the plate since that first pitch.

iramets Apr 22 2007 11:29 AM

6 straight Braves in a row sit down. Well, I'm not sure all of them are straight.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 11:38 AM

It's Autism Awareness Day.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 11:45 AM

http://www.qsac.com Glavine in trouble as Renteria pulls a ball off of his shoetops.

iramets Apr 22 2007 11:49 AM

Did the Mets reserve the bleachers for the autistic kids and their families, or are they sitting all throughout the park? It would freak me out, I think, to buy a bleacher seat and find out that I'm surrounded by a few hundred autistic kids. Might take me a few innings to realize why my surroundings were unusual.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 11:53 AM

I think they got a section. Good thing Chips doesn't field at Shea as well as he hits. Rally happening.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 11:56 AM

Come out of it now, Paulo.

OlerudOwned Apr 22 2007 11:57 AM

LoDuca showing some high sock too. I like.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 12:09 PM

I'm loving how Glavine is dealing today.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 12:18 PM

I'm loving how Smoltz is dealing today.

GYC Apr 22 2007 12:26 PM

Shawn Green goes Kaboom! to tie the game! That's his 3rd homer of the year. He's been doing way better than I expected.

GYC Apr 22 2007 12:27 PM

Diaz robs Valentin of an extra base hit that was nearly a homer. Damn. So close.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 12:27 PM

OlerudOwned Apr 22 2007 12:28 PM

Green joining Perez in the "Brave Killer" club.

metirish Apr 22 2007 12:28 PM

That was a blast from Green,I think he throws his batting gloves to the crowd after he hits a homer....

OlerudOwned Apr 22 2007 12:29 PM

I don't think Smoltz even made a facial expression during that play.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 12:30 PM

Smoltz had no bidness making that play.

metirish Apr 22 2007 12:30 PM

That's one of the finest plays I have ever seen a pitcher make...brilliant.

OlerudOwned Apr 22 2007 12:31 PM

When in slump, go the other way. Dare pitch around Beltran?

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 12:32 PM

Reyes could've scored on that play running backwards.

OlerudOwned Apr 22 2007 12:34 PM

Not many people can throw a slider that well, that consistently.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 12:44 PM

Now the Braves have two on and two out.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 12:45 PM

Boo!

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 12:50 PM

Hi, I'm David. I'm lost.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 12:51 PM

Can we please drop the mythology of Andruw Jones still being a top fielder? Why not dive there?

GYC Apr 22 2007 12:52 PM

Bobby Cox? Ejected? No way.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 12:53 PM

Bases jammed for Valentin and Cox throwing a pointless fit.

MFS62 Apr 22 2007 12:54 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Hi, I'm David. I'm lost. I just had a Cliff Cook flashback. I wonder how fast Lastings can learn to play thrid base. J/K (I think) Later

GYC Apr 22 2007 12:56 PM

Who cares if we tie it or get close here? Burgos is up in the pen. We'll need quite a few runs.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 12:59 PM

Great job by Valentin. Maybe Endy should've been runnng for Alou?

OlerudOwned Apr 22 2007 12:59 PM

Carlos Beltran thinks Reyes has a #3 type hitter in him. Let's see it.

GYC Apr 22 2007 01:00 PM

Reyes drives in three with a triple!!

OlerudOwned Apr 22 2007 01:00 PM

A number #3-type hitter who goes 3 bases on a line drive into the corner. Who wants to help me build a shrine?

Batty31 Apr 22 2007 01:01 PM

OlerudOwned wrote: Carlos Beltran thinks Reyes has a #3 type hitter in him. Let's see it. I think we just did!

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 01:01 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 22 2007 01:03 PM

"Jose! Jose-Jose-Jose!!" has been re-mixed with some heavy bass.

GYC Apr 22 2007 01:02 PM

Lo Duca brings in Reyes, 6-3. I may cry if Burgos blows this.

iramets Apr 22 2007 01:04 PM

And Smoltz takes a shower. Jose back with more triples than doubles again, I think.

metirish Apr 22 2007 01:04 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Great job by Valentin. Maybe Endy should've been runnng for Alou? Alou probably should have scored on that single...clase but should have.

GYC Apr 22 2007 01:07 PM

The Show is also warming up. Not like that makes me any more comfortable. Wherefore art thou Joe Smith?

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 01:08 PM

Steve Colyer, the man the Mets got for Matt Ginter in Spring 2004.

metirish Apr 22 2007 01:08 PM

Who's The Show now?

A Boy Named Seo Apr 22 2007 01:09 PM

Win Expectancy jumps from 25% to 90 just like that. Let's hold 'em.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 01:10 PM

metirish wrote: ="Edgy DC"]Great job by Valentin. Maybe Endy should've been runnng for Alou? Alou probably should have scored on that single...clase but should have. I'm thinking Endy scores on the single and on the fly by Julio Franco. Fortunately, Reyes makes it irrelevant.

GYC Apr 22 2007 01:10 PM

metirish wrote: Who's The Show now? I always thought it was just Schoeneweis based on his name.

iramets Apr 22 2007 01:13 PM

A better RFer would have caught that one with his teeth.

OlerudOwned Apr 22 2007 01:14 PM

Glad Willie learned his lesson about Burgos v. Lefties.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 01:15 PM

I thought Willie was going out to yank Green.

Kid Carsey Apr 22 2007 01:16 PM

Seo, that graph is an instant IGT classic. Ear to ear grinning over here.

GYC Apr 22 2007 01:20 PM

Fuck.

Batty31 Apr 22 2007 01:20 PM

Aww...fuck.

OlerudOwned Apr 22 2007 01:20 PM

Never understood why we gave Schoeneweis so much money with a perfectly good Pedro Feliciano in the pen. Shirley, we could've done something more sensible?

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 01:20 PM

Don't post the next graph.

GYC Apr 22 2007 01:23 PM

I thought it was a fuck up when it happened, even more so now. Chad Bradford would have been so, so much better than Scott Schoeneweis. Yeah, Shawn Green's play didn't help. But this is fucking ridiculous. And if Heilman doesn't come in to face McCann, I'm not watching the rest of this game.

GYC Apr 22 2007 01:23 PM

Well, fuck you Willie. You're an ass.

Kid Carsey Apr 22 2007 01:24 PM

I shoulda kept my yap shut re: the graph until after the game I guess.

OlerudOwned Apr 22 2007 01:24 PM

We don't need Bradford either, with Joe Smith doing that thing he does. We didn't need to be handing out multi-year, big cash contracts to any relief pitchers.

GYC Apr 22 2007 01:25 PM

Who am I kidding? I'm going to keep listening... as Schoenweis continues to suck.

Batty31 Apr 22 2007 01:27 PM

It's about freaking time...

OlerudOwned Apr 22 2007 01:27 PM

Well, Schoeneweis retired the lefty like he was supposed to. He just got the wrong one.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 01:33 PM

Tom Glavine: "Don't fuck with my victories." Hey, David Wright. Now.

Batty31 Apr 22 2007 01:34 PM

David Wright is officially David Wrong...

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 01:35 PM

Lousy call by blue, though.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 01:43 PM

Hey, Craig Ironhead Wilson, move your ass.

GYC Apr 22 2007 01:45 PM

Thankfully, Ryan Langerhans is possibly the biggest waste of a roster space currently in the majors.

GYC Apr 22 2007 01:46 PM

Fuck you, Kelly Johnson. Who the fuck are you?

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 01:46 PM

Kelly=smelly. Bullpen=really smelly.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 01:55 PM

Jose. Do it again.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 02:03 PM

Growp! Nice battle, Paul.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 22 2007 02:04 PM

We should stop giving up 3-run homers and start hitting a few. How disgusting.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 02:08 PM

Wright plays a grounder like a wax dummy. Has nobody learned the lesson of Willie Mays Hays?

MFS62 Apr 22 2007 02:11 PM

Hey, Seo. Next time you feel the urge to produce a graph, try this. Find the numbers. Generate it. Print it. Tape the printout to an anvil. Drop it on your PC. Later

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 02:11 PM

McCann is a mann.

A Boy Named Seo Apr 22 2007 02:17 PM

MFS62 wrote: Hey, Seo. Next time you feel the urge to produce a graph, try this. Find the numbers. Generate it. Print it. Tape the printout to an anvil. Drop it on your PC. Later Yeah, sorry, that damn graph just couldn't get anybody out in the 7th.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 02:24 PM

Hang in there.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 02:25 PM

Wow. Poop.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 02:30 PM

If only Mighty Greeny Could get a chance at bat

Gwreck Apr 22 2007 03:54 PM

Sucked. Braves fans are almost as annoying as Yankees fans, especially when they win in your house. Dammit. Franco batting instead of Newhan or Endy, with a righty pitcher up. If we were playing for the sac fly, would've used Easley or Castro first. Strange. Leaving Feliciano in to intentionally walk the bases loaded instead of pulling him and going after Francoeur. Strange. Also, where was Smith? Second time in two games that Schoenweis has come on and walked the first batter he faced. Figured he would've gotten pulled after the walk, like he was on Saturday. Strange.

Rockin' Doc Apr 22 2007 06:18 PM

The Mets did a great job of battling back to take the lead in the bottom of the sixth. Then the bullpen and defense combine to implode and virtually hand the game back to the Braves. Sure Renteria and Johnson hit the big home runs, but had the defense not dropped, booted, and kicked numerous balls while the relievers were busy walking and hitting numerous Braves hitters, they likely never would have goten the chance to hit the big shots. This team can look so good, but at times they just tend to collapse and play like crap. They have notably had a tendency to do collapse in games against the Braves.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 22 2007 08:10 PM

I don't get Schoeneweis myself. How about we drop Wright to 8th until he proves he can help this team.

Frayed Knot Apr 22 2007 08:12 PM

Braves got 8 of their 9 runs on three seperate two-out hits off of three different pitchers. Not much more to say about this game than that. Change even one of those to an inning-ending out and at worst you're looking at extras. The best offensive inning of the year was followed by the worst 2-inning bullpen stint of the year. Judging just on the bit of talk radio I've heard tonight, this is the most disgruntled Met fans have been all season and maybe since 2005. The funny part is that much of it is aimed at Burgos who was the only reliever not to shit on himself today aside from that "double" that Green should have put in his pocket. But, in addition to him, the general consensus is that Willie suxx, Shoeneweis suxx, Heilman suxx, Wright suxx, Franco suxx, and we'll never beat the Braves again. I don't know what to make of Green's defense. He looks fine going after balls and, although he isn't as fast as when he was younger, he's hardly ploddingly slow and doesn't look jumpy or unsure of himself out there. But he often manages to just miss a number of balls including stuff that hits him in the glove. I mean, some guys you can just tell they're shakey just by watching them track a fly. Green doesn't look that way even if the result winds up the same. Weird.

Edgy DC Apr 22 2007 08:22 PM

Well, he clearly didn't know where the wall was there. Agreed that Burgos had nothing to feel bad about.

iramets Apr 23 2007 06:30 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: The funny part is that much of it is aimed at Burgos who was the only reliever not to shit on himself today aside from that "double" that Green should have put in his pocket. But, in addition to him, the general consensus is that Willie suxx, Shoeneweis suxx, Heilman suxx, Wright suxx, Franco suxx, and we'll never beat the Braves again. This known as "having a track record," or "residual grief"--Willie in particular has lucked out this season (getting huge run support in games where he's made bonehead moves that no one can give him much grief about, given the game's outcome) so he catches it (ALL of it) in a big loss. As to Burgos, I'm sure many thought "I don't want this untested punk to get another test against the Braves" so when the game goes south, they remember thinking "I told you NO BURGOS, ASSHOLE" even if the move(kinda) worked anyway here. Franco DOES suck, Schoenweis is a new guy who hasn't attracted much fan-love yet, and Dwright hasn't exactly been a powerhouse in the clutch lately. If your point is that the Met fans are ignorant abusers of their excellent players when they lose, you're right as far as Heilman and Wright go, but the other cases you cite there's good reasons for thinking as they do.

Centerfield Apr 23 2007 08:51 AM

I had no problem with Burgos facing Thorman (though I did have a problem with Green dropping the ball). I don't see why Shoeneweis was left in to face Renteria. You can go against the book when the game is not on the line, like with Burgos/Thorman, but once the move doesn't work out, how many times are you going to tempt fate? Renteria was the tying run. You bring in the righty there. At this point I seriously started wondering if Willie understood the whole lefty/righty concept. The move I had the biggest problem with, though it worked out, was walking Francoer and leaving Shoeneweis in to face McCann. I don't know how many batters had to reach before Willie was going to understand that Scott didn't have it that day.

metirish Apr 23 2007 08:56 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: I don't get Schoeneweis myself. How about we drop Wright to 8th until he proves he can help this team. Agreed on about Wright,he looks lost at the plate.

Frayed Knot Apr 23 2007 10:09 AM

]If your point is that the Met fans are ignorant abusers of their excellent players when they lose, you're right as far as Heilman and Wright go, but the other cases you cite there's good reasons for thinking as they do. My main point was just to note the virulence of the complaining and the wide-ranging variety of targets after not hearing it for a while even as it was a near nightly occurance for years. As far as the pen, I know all fans really want from their relievers is virtual perfection, but Burgos has given up all of 4 hits in 8+ IPs (and that includes the Green drop) while those were the first 2 runs charged to Schoeneweis all season (yeah, I know, he walks too many). In fact, the (defense aided) 6 runs (3 earned) coughed up yesterday brings the grand total charged to the pen to all of 10 ERs in 51 IPs - that's a 1.76 ERA even after Sunday's debacle. I mean, jeez, it must not be that incompetant or being mismanged too badly. btw, for all our complements thrown to the defense so far, 11 of the 67 runs given up to date have been unearned - a ratio which strikes me as unusually high (although I'm not sure what a "proper" one is). 7 of those 11 UNearnies have been charged to the pen even though the starters have thrown nearly 2/3s of the IPs (62%)

Centerfield Apr 23 2007 10:11 AM

Fuck yesterday. Fuck the Braves. I don't think I know the Rockies.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 23 2007 10:20 AM

What it seems like to me is that the Mets simply have not escaped paying in blood every time they do make an error, as infrequently as they've come. It's as if there's an understanding that the Mets are a nice strong team, but not so good that they can expect to overcome even the slightest mistake or missed opportunity. I'd guess their ratio of games with errors to games lost is pretty solid.

Edgy DC Apr 23 2007 11:02 AM

That was sucky Franco's first failing of the season yesterday. Up until then, he had two walks, a hit and an RBI sacrifice fly in four plate appearances. And yesterday's fly was pretty close to being deep enough to score the runner had he been faster.

Frayed Knot Apr 23 2007 12:53 PM

That was another funny/sad part about the ranting: that Willie is always going to Franco and how he fails every time up. Ummm, it was this his 1st out and 5th plate appearance in 17 games; no one on the team has appeared less except for Milledge (3) and that's only because he isn't here anymore. It's like the good times caused all the rants to be stored up which then all came flooding out as a result of the bad two innings and no one cared if they were actually logical or not.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 23 2007 01:04 PM

Who's doing all this ranting? WFAN callers? I haven't heard anything, but I haven't been listening to the FAN and I haven't been reading any forums other than this one.