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Dude, where's my dude?
| Edgy DC Apr 14 2007 06:49 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Apr 16 2007 08:27 AM |
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You ever have problems finiding that prospect (or prospective prospect) you were thinking about? Sure, we all have.
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| Nymr83 Apr 14 2007 06:52 PM |
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I assume the short-season league rosters (Brooklyn and i think there are others) get filled out from the june draft and the guys in extended spring training?
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| Edgy DC Apr 14 2007 11:30 PM |
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Yeah. Whoever is left over from spring, that hasn't gotten a better assignment or released ends up on a short season roster. Many of those guys, though, will get a more plum slot.
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| Johnny Dickshot Apr 14 2007 11:34 PM |
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Nice job
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| Edgy DC Apr 14 2007 11:57 PM |
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I love the EST roster. We finally find Zach Clements, along with fellow catcher-turned-pitcher Hietpas.
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| Frayed Knot Apr 15 2007 10:45 PM |
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Sounds like the spawn of several Springsteen songs. The interesting assignment here is Fernando Martinez all the way up in AA already following just a partial (injury-shortened) season of Low-A plus a brief (and unsuccessful) year-end stint in High-A - all while being well ahead of his age group to begin with. This is a guy who doesn't turn 19 until October. Looks like Minaya is definitely sticking to his pledge of aggressive promotion within the minor league system for the higher rated prospects.
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| metirish Apr 16 2007 08:33 AM |
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Ambiorix Concepcion in AA,I don't have much hope for him reaching the "show",good work Edgy.
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| Edgy DC Apr 16 2007 11:59 AM |
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I added the Mets and Zephyrs who are on the teams' respective disabled listst. That naturally becomes harder to confirm as the levels get lower. It's also confusing in that the Zephyrs have only 24 guys on their roster, but the B-Mets have 26, while the St.-Mets and the Sandgnats show 27 each. I've checked more than one source, but they're likely from the same place.
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| Edgy DC Apr 17 2007 11:02 PM |
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| iramets Apr 18 2007 05:20 AM |
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Some guys I hope make it just for the name:
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| duan Apr 18 2007 09:05 AM |
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As Lastings gets his head round the fact that he ain't at the show yet and tries to shake the rust off his bat (3 singles, one walk in 19 pa's to go with 7 k's!!)
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| Edgy DC Apr 18 2007 09:19 AM |
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Thinking the same thing.
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| duan Apr 18 2007 11:34 AM |
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having said that, next season we've only ONE starting outfielder under contract. A Milledge-Beltran-Gomez starting 3 could be very, very, good.
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| Edgy DC Apr 18 2007 11:39 AM |
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Reminds me...
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| metirish Apr 18 2007 11:39 AM |
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I would like to see Lastings get the call up if the team needs an outfielder,and I would think that Omar would do that,no player deserves anything but I think Lastings shold get the shot,Gomez to get called up in September with the Mets coasting.
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| iramets Apr 18 2007 12:15 PM |
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No matter what? If he's brooding and not hitting and playing the asshole again, and if Gomez is ripping up the league and fielding like Gary Maddox? Under those circumstances, and especially if it's a three-week callup while someone gets off the DL, I'd just as soon send the message, "You ain't a star, Lastings, until you put in two or three star seasons in a row--until then, you're just another rookie dickhead who needs to show us that he's willing to work hard."
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| metirish Apr 18 2007 12:28 PM |
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I never said "no matter what" ira,I just think Lastings will get the call before Gomez..
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| iramets Apr 18 2007 12:32 PM |
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Can't send the "Show some humility, rook" message often enough to please me.
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| metirish Apr 18 2007 12:35 PM |
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Your a trip, by all accounts Lastings had matured from last season and was a model team mate,for all we know Gomez could be a total wanker.
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| Willets Point Apr 18 2007 12:41 PM |
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This list could be a good starting place for a prospect to adopt. Perhaps you could highlight the players that we Crane Poolers have already adopted.
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| Edgy DC Apr 18 2007 12:46 PM |
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Maybe later.
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| iramets Apr 18 2007 12:58 PM |
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What , the dude behaves himself for a few weeks, and it's all "We're sorry we thought you were an immature fuckhead last season, now you can slack off and we'll still love you, Lastings" where you come from? Around here, you need to show your chaaracter on a regular basis, especially when you've shown it to be full of flaws just last year. I want a sampler saying "SHOW SOME HUMILITY, ROOK" to be hung over his locker for the next few years, just to remind him to hustle, keep his head in the game, don't be high-fiving the fans, come out for extra BP, and carry a few bags through customs while dressed up like an old lady.
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| metirish Apr 18 2007 01:00 PM |
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You might well heed that advice ira :)
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| iramets Apr 18 2007 01:05 PM |
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Why is it always about me?
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| duan Apr 18 2007 05:32 PM |
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where did we get the "lastings is slacking off" idea
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| iramets Apr 18 2007 05:35 PM |
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Before this ST, w/a new attitude, Omar prolly woulda given you Milledge for a cracked bat and a tube of liniment. Certainly for a washed-up starting pitcher under 45 years of age, but no one was offering any, so he kept Lastings, who then came through with a hot bat and some better interaction w/veteran players, is my sense.
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| iramets Apr 18 2007 08:01 PM |
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When did the Mets lose Angel Pagan? He was one of my favorite names.
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| Kid Carsey Apr 18 2007 08:36 PM |
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It's always about you because you distort Lastings possibly being shopped
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| iramets Apr 18 2007 08:50 PM |
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Well, ANYTHING is possible. It's "possible" that you're a nitpicking horse's ass (though I don't personally believe this to be the case) and "perhaps" you lack the requisite brainpower needed to fire up a refrigerator bulb (though I've always found you witty and intelligent). I believe in stating my views forthrightly and definitely, instead of hiding behind weak-assed Perhapses and Possiblys. I believe Milledge was shopped around this winter (or at least it would be the case if Omar has a functioning brain, which I believe he has) and I believe that he didn't get any very attractive offers, so he kept him and lo and behold, Lastings came to camp with an attitude adjustment, so it all seems to have worked out. See how that works? I tell you that what I think happened, no b.s., no waffling, no maybe this or perhaps that, and if you want to get all pissed off at me, go right ahead. But other than holding a fairly firm opinion, I've done nothing to piss you off unless you have unreasonably high standards of quaffing certain purple liquids or wearing sunglasses with doubly tinted shades. And you don't want me to start on your possible nightwear of preference, correct?
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| Kid Carsey Apr 18 2007 09:02 PM |
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I'm not pissed off. You asked a question earlier in thread that caught my
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| Frayed Knot Apr 18 2007 11:13 PM |
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I don't believe that GMs in general, and Omar in particular, are as fickle when it comes to small sample sizes from young players as fans & media tend to be.
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| Gwreck Apr 18 2007 11:17 PM |
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Thanks for doing this Edgy.
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| iramets Apr 19 2007 05:36 AM |
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Well, it's certainly true that Milledge was NOT swapped out for parts this past winter, and it's certainly true that no one will ever know (as you love to point out , generally) whether Omar turned down fabulous offers for the lad, or insultingly meager offers, or was simply laughed at by other GMs who taunted him with "NOW you're trying to peddle your screwed-up no-bat prospects, instead of the spring of 2006 when I actually thought he was worth something? Go fuck yourself, Omar! Haw, haw, haw," will we? We can't even know for sure if Omar tried peddling Milledge with the knowledge that he couldn't hope for much in return this past winter. But most observers, including me, felt that Milledge's trade value had gone down considerably between winter of 2005-6 and winter of 2006-7, and I feel pretty sure that he was worth approximately half on the open market. If you want to quibble about speculative fractions, feel free.
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| martin Apr 19 2007 06:16 AM |
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january 2006. he was a starter for the cubs for a while last year. played in 77 games. this happened while you were keeping very close tabs on milledge's trade value.
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| duan Apr 19 2007 06:33 AM |
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iramets
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| iramets Apr 19 2007 06:42 AM |
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Speaking of "meaningless hyperbole based around your conjecture and little actual evidence", I never said Milledge is not worth much in a trade. I said I felt his trade value had declined seriously between two winters ago and last winter, and that Omar in my view didn't trade him last winter either becuase he felt himself that trading Milledge when his value had declined had declined was foolish, or he simply didn't get any attractive offers (as opposed to the previous winter, when he was beseiged with them). I think anyone with an attached brain-stem could tell that my hyperbole--"a cracked bat and a tube of liniment"--was not meant to be taken literally, but as an indication of his falling value. If you want to jump all over my ass for employing hyperbole here (I think that particular image is often-used, it's practically a cliche), then you are identifying yourself as among the brainless.
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| duan Apr 19 2007 07:04 AM |
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also, Lastings has shaken the rust off
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| iramets Apr 19 2007 07:10 AM |
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So maybe it was (as I say above) good for the Mets that Omar did not get tempting offers for Milledge this winter.
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| Johnny Dickshot Apr 19 2007 08:57 AM |
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How do you know any of this?
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| Yancy Street Gang Apr 19 2007 09:16 AM |
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Because everything is black or white.
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| Edgy DC Apr 19 2007 09:19 AM |
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Please refrain from name-calling.
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| duan Apr 19 2007 10:02 AM |
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italics added for emphasis
Let me get this straight. To the baseball industry/Omar Minaya He was worth John Lackey at the start of last season, he was worth Ramon Ortiz at the end of last season and now after a decent spring training & one hot night in New Orleans he's worth John Lackey again?
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| Frayed Knot Apr 19 2007 10:24 AM |
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I do and already did. A lot of prospect talk reminds me of listening to NFL draft speculations. No game has been played in 4 months and the scouting combine was about 6 weeks ago, yet players are constantly "moving" up and down the draft based usually on nothing more than someone's speculation, speculation which, in turn, is reflected and repeated by other talking heads to the point where the rise/plummet is treated as if truth. Of course none of that means that the teams are required to follow the bouncing balls and most of the speculation turns out to weeks and weeks of sound and fury signifying nada. It all brings to mind one of the great sports quotes of all time when the coach/GM was asked why he picked Jones when Smith was much more highly prized by self-appointed ESPN draft guru Mel Kiper Jr.: "Who the BLEEP is Mel Kiper Jr.?!?" So while Milledge's 150 or so ABs weren't great, they were hardly terrible and there are players headed to the hall of fame who stumbled even worse out of the gate while not as young as Milledge (again, youngest position player in MLB). And I don't see his "behavioral" problems as much more than a temporary image/pr faux pas rather than some sort of a scarlet letter making him the third rail of young ballplayers.. Tampa has several guys with MUCH worse resumes and I think most if not all GMs would happily listen if any or all were suddenly made available.
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| Rotblatt Apr 19 2007 10:36 AM |
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So basically, Ira, you're saying that the end result is that Omar handled the Milledge situation perfectly, right? I mean, he held on to Milledge instead of trading him, which is exactly what you'd have done in his shoes.
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| iramets Apr 19 2007 11:01 AM |
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It's fairly amazing how many people agree with me, yet manage to be insufferably snide and condescending as they do so.
Now, Rotblatt, you should know that nothing in the history of the world has even been "bandied about," at least not in the world according to Frayed Knot. Things either happen or they don't. No one has ever discussed something that never happened, or considered doing something but backed out before it had been completed, or anything of the sort, at least not that can be discussed in FK's presence without him having a conniption fit and a double hernia. I don't think Omar is a bad GM--I think he's about as articulate as a mounted moose, and someone badly in need of "Shut Your Goddamn Mouth Before I Puke In It" lessons, but not a bad GM at all.
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| iramets Apr 19 2007 11:04 AM |
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I learned how to read this winter.
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| iramets Apr 19 2007 11:10 AM |
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Something like that, yes? I believe there was a time (11/06?) Omar was offered deals for Milledge that were not available to him a year later, and that may be available to him again. You folks are acting like this is a heretical statement, even as you're acknowledging its basic truth. Milledge got something of reputation as a jerkish rookie whose teammates didn't care for him and maybe not such a good MLB hitter as first imagined, and then did a repair job (see TransMonk's sig line) in both categories this ST. Is this shocking news to you or something?
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| Frayed Knot Apr 19 2007 12:24 PM |
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Of course I never said, hinted at, or implied anything like that. Nor am I the one assuming - and then treating as if fact - that the lack of a trade is somehow proof of depressed value based primarily on the fact that it can't be proven that it's not. In fact, I assume that Omar was asked a whole buncha times about Milledge over this past winter and was so mainly because he's still a valuable prospect. But, with two aging corner OFers and minor league prospects who (while promising) are even more towards the unproven/potential end of the scale than Milledge is, it makes sense to hold onto him unless blown away with an offer. My only point in this whole deal is that I don't believe that baseball insiders treat prospect values with the same wild roller-coaster swings that many fans & media do.
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| iramets Apr 19 2007 01:28 PM |
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