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ABG Apr 24 2007 11:04 AM

From the NY Post today: ]April 24, 2007 -- Pedro Martinez's rehab from his torn rotator cuff continues to go very smoothly. "He looks great and feels great," Chris Correnti, Martinez's personal trainer, told The Post in a phone conversation yesterday, "and he's working extremely hard." Even though Martinez is in St. Lucie and away from the Mets, Correnti said his client hasn't been depressed or unhappy. "Spirits are good. He's just extremely determined," Correnti said. "He's really motivated and determined to get through this next phase of his progression." Martinez's rehab yesterday lasted approximately four hours, according to Correnti, and the righty is now throwing at 180 feet, an impressive distance. On March 23 the 35-year-old was at 75 feet. Martinez - who has suffered "no setbacks," according to Omar Minaya - will eventually move to throwing off a mound, though Minaya said that shouldn't be until "at least" June. The GM still projects an August return. http://www.nypost.com/seven/04242007/sports/mets/pedros_on_target_for_return_in_august_mets_mark_hale.htm Let's say the Mets are within 3-4 games of the division, one way or another at the break. Seems reasonable. How much does Pedro factor into Omar's stretchrun/post season thinking? What's responsible? I'm assuming for this discussion that starting pitching will be an issue similar to what we see now. One good frontline starter (Glavine) another guy with postseason moxy but questionable consistency/health/age (Duque) , one relatively steady and dependable young guy (Maine), and two wild cards (Perez and Pelfrey). You'd think adding a frontline starter to that equation would be necessary for playoff success. Strikes me as a delicate balance. On one hand, you don't want to put too much faith in an old guy this fragile. On the other, shipping off quality prospects for a starter could be a reach if you have a reasonably healthy Pedro coming.

Gwreck Apr 24 2007 11:07 AM

I think that Minaya will still go hard after anything he can get on the trade market. I see a lot of tradeable commodities around at AAA and in New York, plus I think he's likely to remember the problems of last year's postseason with respect to starters. Granted, I am on the record with believing that Pedro doesn't make a single start for the Mets this year.

Willets Point Apr 24 2007 11:08 AM

If the Mets are in the thick of things (that is leading the NL East or Wild Card) I would think Pedro would just be a bonus. It would be nice to ease him in with a little extra rest if possible (which would probably be good for our other older pitchers too). If the Mets are struggling to keep up when Pedro returns, I don't think we can count on him to be a savior and really other issues will have to be addressed, maybe by trade.

metirish Apr 24 2007 11:09 AM

I have no doubt that if Pedro is healthy he will be a huge factor in the Mets plans for 07,all going well Pedro could come back in his best health ever as a Met,wouldn't that be a bonus. Pedro will decide when he is healthy.

ABG Apr 24 2007 11:13 AM

Here's the flip side: let's say we get a 2005 Pedro back (knock on wood). You still want Omar trading Gomez/Pelfrey for Danny Haren?

Edgy DC Apr 24 2007 11:18 AM

It's hard to predict if we'll have a real hole of any sort in our rotation.

ABG Apr 24 2007 11:19 AM

Edgy DC wrote: It's hard to predict if we'll have a real hole of any sort in our rotation. Yeah. I'm using the current rotation as the control.

Frayed Knot Apr 24 2007 11:20 AM

]How much does Pedro factor into Omar's stretchrun/post season thinking? What's responsible? Pedro's not coming back until he's ready to handle a regular start and, when he is, he'll be worked into the rotation. In place of who to be determined by things we don't know at this point.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 24 2007 11:31 AM

Not counting on Pedro being a big contributor but in the event he does return, AND nothing else changes regarding the rotation, you can see where maybe a 6-man rotation would make sense. Especially once Glavine gets his stupid counting record.

Edgy DC Apr 24 2007 11:36 AM

Not getting ahead of myself here, but it might make sense in that we'll be cruising toward the playoffs and want to reduce the workload on our pitchers. Might.

Johnny Dickshot Apr 24 2007 11:38 AM

Yeah, that's where I'm going with this: Gives El Dookie a rest.

ABG Apr 24 2007 11:38 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Not getting ahead of myself here, but it might make sense in that we'll be cruising toward the playoffs and want to reduce the workload on our pitchers. Might. Mighta helped last year.

metirish Apr 24 2007 11:45 AM

When and who was the last team to employ a six man rotation?

Gwreck Apr 24 2007 11:47 AM

We had a quasi 6-man rotation in late 2005 when Trachsel came back from back surgery. But didn't we have a real 6-man rotation in '99 after Rogers joined the team?

Johnny Dickshot Apr 24 2007 12:11 PM

Leiter, Reed, Yoshii, Hershiser, Rogers, Dotel. For a short time at least. I guess it was to keep Hershiser's arm attached to his body at least until the season was over.

SteveJRogers May 19 2007 08:49 PM

Has anyone heard of a Pedro sighting so far this weekend? He was supposed to pop in [url]http://www.nypost.com/seven/05192007/sports/mets/pedro_may_pay_a_visit_to_shea_mets_michael_morrissey.htm[/url]

Nymr83 May 19 2007 09:01 PM

I still think that until Pedro is on the mound for the Mets he should not factor into Minaya's thinking when it comes to the Mets' pitching needs. Relying on him to come back on time and effective is asking for trouble. as for trading gomez/pelfrey we have milledge, gomez, and martinez as the future in the outfield along with 5 more years at least of beltran, its highly unlikely that one ofthose young guys doesnt get dealt in the next couple of years, so if the right trade is out there theres no reason not to do it. Pelfrey has a 6.10 ERA and a 1.742 WHIP in 51 2/3 major league innings. i still like the guy but his stock has got to be headed south.

Edgy DC May 19 2007 10:23 PM

Nymr83 wrote: as for trading gomez/pelfrey we have milledge, gomez, and martinez as the future in the outfield along with 5 more years at least of beltran, its highly unlikely that one ofthose young guys doesnt get dealt in the next couple of years, so if the right trade is out there theres no reason not to do it. It often takes four talented outfielders to find three good ones. Often more than four.

Nymr83 May 19 2007 10:29 PM

another reason to deal one if a proven pitcher is made available. i think you should usually trade a prospect for a good veteran, my problem comes when a prospect is traded for a mediocrity.

Gwreck May 19 2007 10:45 PM

Nymr83 wrote: my problem comes when a prospect is traded for a mediocrity. Accepting a fairly wide definition of "prospect," can you name 3 examples of this happening in the last 10 years? I'll spot you Kazmir-Zambrano.

Edgy DC May 19 2007 10:48 PM

My problem is that "prospect" and "proven" have pretty liquid definitions.

Nymr83 May 19 2007 11:45 PM

Gwreck wrote: ="Nymr83"]my problem comes when a prospect is traded for a mediocrity. Accepting a fairly wide definition of "prospect," can you name 3 examples of this happening in the last 10 years? I'll spot you Kazmir-Zambrano. are we talking just about the Mets? i wasn't making an accusation against the Mets just a general point but here are some Mets examples in the last 10 years... Kazmir trade Dan Wheeler for Adam Seuss Bobby Jones and Jason Bay for Steve Reed and Jason Middlebrook (this broke another one of my guidelines too, don't trade starting pitchers for mediocre relievers) Tyner and Wilson for Trammell (this one didnt really hurt much in the end, but its an example of the kind of deal with little upside and lots of downside that could blow up just like kazmir did) Jay Payton for crap (i'm not looking it up but i know we got crap back) Isringhausen for billy fucking taylor i'm sure theres more and i'm sure there are plenty of non-met examples

Gwreck May 20 2007 12:34 AM

I count one non-Kazmir example there, and it's a stretch (Bay). Isringhausen wasn't a prospect by the time 1999 had rolled around. Payton wasn't a prospect when he was traded. Neither was Wheeler.

Nymr83 May 20 2007 12:51 AM

izzy and wheeler were 26 when they were traded, a bit old but i think you can still be a prospect at that age. payton was 29 so i'll give you that one, i thought he was younger

Edgy DC May 20 2007 05:55 AM

There go the fluid definitions.

Benjamin Grimm May 26 2007 07:44 AM

="New York Times"] Feeling Well, Martínez Pays Mets a Visit By BEN SHPIGEL MIAMI, May 25 — In about the time it took for the clubhouse doors to open and shut in his wake, Pedro Martínez cracked wise about his teammates’ buzz cuts, shook roughly a dozen hands, hugged about five teammates, a trainer and a clubhouse attendant, and poured a drink for one of his thirsty sons. There is hardly anyone else in baseball who can make an entrance like Martínez, and he quickly backed that up with his trademark candor and ferocious confidence. In a 10-minute interview with reporters, a more chiseled Martínez proclaimed that he is in the best shape of his life, vowed that he will return to his outstanding late-1990s form with Boston and boldly remarked that he could pitch better than Roger Clemens. He eventually took a breath. “I feel really, really good,” said Martínez, who has been rehabilitating from off-season rotator cuff surgery in south Florida. “Really, really good, thanks to God. It’s like I’m rejuvenated. I feel like the good old ’96 and ’97 years.” The clubhouse staff, alerted to the possibility of his showing up, set up a locker for Martínez, complete with a No. 45 jersey, but it was no more than wishful thinking. He is throwing regularly from 230 feet on flat ground, plans to throw from a mound for the first time next month and is still on pace to rejoin the team in mid-August, General Manager Omar Minaya said. Coming from one of his punishing six-hour workouts, Martínez planned to watch the Mets’ game against the Florida Marlins from the dugout before getting back to work on Saturday. “I can’t afford to be traveling more than two or three hours between workouts,” Martínez said with a wink. Martínez does not look too far into the future. As proof, he said, he knows what his workout will entail for that day only when he shows up. But he said that, for the first time since he could remember, everything about him feels strong. His shoulder. His foot. His hip. “What’s so hard to actually handle is that I feel so well, and I wonder why I’m not on top of the mound,” Martínez said. “I don’t have any doubt that I’ll be like I was in the mid-90s again. I feel like I did in ’96, ’97, ’98, when there were days that I felt like I could pick it up and shoot it with no hesitation. That’s how good I’ve been feeling.” Between 1997 and 2000, Martínez went 77-25 with a 2.16 earned run average and won all three of his Cy Young awards. Expecting Martínez to duplicate those years, one of the best stretches in history, is unreasonable and a little improbable. All the Mets care about is his health, which, he said, is superb. Working with his personal trainer, Chris Correnti, Martínez usually throws on consecutive days, sometimes three in a row. When he does throw, he said he does not hold back. He does not ice his arm or take anti-inflammatory medicine, preferring to let his body heal naturally. He said he is running less than he has in the past. “Thanks to God, it hasn’t been an issue,” Martínez said. Martínez took long enough of a break from his regimen the other night to watch Clemens pitch for the Yankees’ Class AA affiliate, and what he saw surprised him. “I saw Roger pitch the other day and without a doubt, I can do that now,” Martínez said. “The Roger that I knew, that’s not him.” At 35, Martínez is nine years younger than Clemens, but for his first two seasons with the Mets his body had seemed about nine years older. Martínez underwent a physical renaissance, and now everything about him, he said, is better than it was before. Even his hair. Martínez joked how pleased he was to not be around when the rest of the team shaved their heads and said that he would not trim his bushy hair until the pitching coach Rick Peterson clipped his. But then Martínez realized something. “I don’t qualify yet,” Martínez said. “Until I’m on the active roster, I don’t qualify.” For Martínez , that cannot come soon enough. Original Pedro watching thread

cooby May 26 2007 07:48 AM

Me either. I thought the original target was June

metirish May 26 2007 07:50 AM

Great to see Pedro at the game,he did look in fine shape.

Frayed Knot May 26 2007 08:29 AM

Gwreck wrote: ="Nymr83"]my problem comes when a prospect is traded for a mediocrity. Accepting a fairly wide definition of "prospect," can you name 3 examples of this happening in the last 10 years? I'll spot you Kazmir-Zambrano. Two come to mind: - prospect Travis Hafner for Einar Diaz & Ryan Drese - prospects Francisco Liriano, Boof Bonser and (somewhat established) Joe Nathan ... all for AJ Pierzynski (who was then released after one season)

Gwreck May 27 2007 03:49 PM

Certainly. I was thinking only of the Mets though, when it happened. Generally speaking, with a few occasional exceptions (which tend to get harped on) most trading of "prospects" doesn't bite-you-in-the-ass as much as the doomsday prophets often make it out to be.