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Benjamin Grimm
May 07 2007 08:16 AM

I enjoyed a Spider Weekend with my son this past weekend.

We watched Spider-Man on DVD on Friday night. We then watched Spider-Man 2 on Saturday morning, and then on Saturday afternoon we went to the theater to see Spider-Man 3.

I liked it. I didn't like it as much as I liked Spider-Man 2, which I didn't like as much as I liked Spider-Man, which remains my favorite Marvel Comics movie.

Edgy MD
May 07 2007 08:39 AM

You're the first I've read who prefers Spider-Man to Spider-Man 2.

What's with pounding three super-villians in there?

Benjamin Grimm
May 07 2007 09:02 AM

Probably so they can sell three times the merchandise.

Actually, each of the villains did play a key role not only in the action, but in the theme of the movie, so the reason probably isn't as crass as merchandising. Though I'm sure the suits don't mind that aspect.

Spidey 2 was terrific, but when it comes to comic book movies I judge them by the ten-year-old inside of me.

The first movie gave me multiple goosebumps. Spidey 2 only once. And Spidey 3 not at all.

My order of preference is the same as the order in which the movies were produced, but in my opinion the quality gap between Spidey 2 and Spidey 3 is greater than that between 1 and 2.

Frayed Knot
May 07 2007 12:06 PM

Not movie-related specifically, but a couple observations by an ex-Spidey artist (and longtime Met fan).

Nymr83
May 07 2007 12:36 PM

i haven't seen it yet (no spoilers please) but putting venom in the same movie as first finding the black costume is a bit quick...i'd have just had sandman and the green goblin along with the black costume (while introducing venom's alter ego and leaving that open for the next movie)

Benjamin Grimm
May 07 2007 01:07 PM

This movie wasn't made with a Spider-Man 4 in mind.

There may yet be one, but this movie doesn't set us up in any way for what might come next.

Nymr83
May 07 2007 01:39 PM

well, i'm saying it should have, but i havent seen it yet and dont want to hear more about it so i'm staying out of this thread until i see it...

Benjamin Grimm
May 07 2007 01:49 PM

Well, they didn't want to set up Spider-Man 4 because they didn't know there would be one, and they didn't want to leave loose ends.

We still don't know but given the box office the movie has done, I think a fourth movie is now inevitable. Whether it has the same cast and crew won't be known for a while.

metirish
May 07 2007 02:02 PM

Is there any nudity in the movie,is it suitable for a ten year old.

Benjamin Grimm
May 07 2007 02:11 PM

No, no nudity.

I took my ten-year-old AND my five-year-old.

dgwphotography
May 07 2007 02:28 PM

We need Norrin's review, NOW!

SteveJRogers
May 07 2007 03:19 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
This movie wasn't made with a Spider-Man 4 in mind.

There may yet be one, but this movie doesn't set us up in any way for what might come next.


Which is the reason why Sony pretty much "forced" Sam Rami to use Venom in this film. Rami wanted to concentrate on the more classic villians that were created during Stan Lee's run with the character, but Sony essentially made Rami use probably the most popular villian in Spidey's Rouges Gallery.

Batty31
May 07 2007 04:54 PM

I've never seen any of the Spidey movies. One of my friends suggested I would love this movie because of Venom. Is Venom worth the price of admission?

I'm a big Bruce Campbell fan...how was his cameo?

Benjamin Grimm
May 07 2007 05:38 PM

No, Venom isn't worth the price of admission.

And I'm sorry, but I have no idea who Bruce Campbell is.

Batty31
May 07 2007 05:57 PM

Thanks...I guess I'll wait for it to come out on DVD and I'll rent it.


Oh, I'm sure if you saw a picture of Bruce, you would know who he is.
Bruce went to high school with Sam Raimi and starred in the Evil Dead trilogy of movies directed by Sam. He has had a cameo in all the Spiderman movies. He's a great character actor..mostly does a lot of B sci-fi movies. Very funny and campy. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0132257/

Vic Sage
May 08 2007 02:53 PM

sorry, Lubby. No review yet, cuz i haven't had a chance to see it. My friends can't believe i missed opening weekend. I guess i'm getting old.

Actually, i had to fly to chicago saturday morning (flew back saturday nite!) so i didn't have much time to catch it.

but that's no excuse, i realize.

Willets Point
May 08 2007 10:38 PM

A quick review of the first two movies. In 30 seconds. Reenacted by bunnies.

Johnny Dickshot
May 09 2007 08:09 AM

Hey Vic, I flew to Chicago on Saturday too. Were you at te Cubs game?

How about that old man who draws Spidey? Check out the Ted Williams portrait over his shoulder!

soupcan
May 09 2007 08:34 AM

I stopped reading Spidey before the black costume and Venom were created so I really have no idea what that villan is all about.

I know the old guys - Goblin, Sandman, The Lizard, The Vulture, Doc Ock, etc.

Who was that guy with the star shaped lightning bolt mask? Can't remember his nom de guerre.

Benjamin Grimm
May 09 2007 08:36 AM

Electro.

Vic Sage
May 09 2007 08:39 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote:
Hey Vic, I flew to Chicago on Saturday too. Were you at te Cubs game?

How about that old man who draws Spidey? Check out the Ted Williams portrait over his shoulder!


i was there for a weekend series of events sponsored by the Dramatists Guild. As for the old man, you can check out the career of legendary comics artist Frank Springer at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Springer

soupcan
May 09 2007 08:39 AM

ZAP!

Edgy MD
May 09 2007 08:39 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 09 2007 08:48 AM

How did springer draw Spidey? MJ?

Did he get more pencilling assignments or inking?

Vic Sage
May 09 2007 08:40 AM

Springer returned to draw a handful of stories for Marvel's black-and-white horror-comics magazines in 1974 and '75, and then sprang from title to title, penciling sporadic issues of The Avengers, Captain America, The Spectacular Spider-Man, and Spider-Woman, among others, and also inked many Marvel and DC Comics.

Frayed Knot
May 09 2007 08:51 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
How did springer draw Spidey? MJ?


Left-handed.

Edgy MD
May 09 2007 08:52 AM

I guess that means more pencilling than inking.

Benjamin Grimm
May 09 2007 08:53 AM

When I think Frank Springer, I think Invaders.

I believe he inked the first dozen or so issues of that title.

Roy Thomas writer, Frank Robbins penciller, I believe.

Edgy MD
May 09 2007 08:56 AM

Don't forget Phoebe Zeit-Geist:



Damn, Frank. Just... just damn.

Benjamin Grimm
May 09 2007 09:13 AM

I'm not familiar with Phoebe Zeit-Geist.

I sense a potential spinoff thread where we fill in those blank word balloons, though.

Johnny Dickshot
May 09 2007 09:33 AM

Don't forget Phoebe Zeit-Geist:



Damn, Frank. Just... just damn.


Comedy is no laughing matter

Edgy MD
May 09 2007 09:36 AM

That's some near-Don Martin quality onomatopoeia.

soupcan
May 09 2007 10:06 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
I'm not familiar with Phoebe Zeit-Geist.

I sense a potential spinoff thread where we fill in those blank word balloons, though.



Johnny Dickshot
May 09 2007 07:13 PM

Here's a closeup of Ted:

SteveJRogers
May 10 2007 09:57 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
I guess that means more pencilling than inking.




So he is a F'N TRACER!

Edgy MD
May 10 2007 10:03 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 10 2007 07:13 PM

I'm not sure I want to know, but... what?

SteveJRogers
May 10 2007 03:10 PM

From the Kevin Smith movie Chasing Amy, one of the stars (Jason Lee as "Banky" in the film) is part of a comic book writer/drawer team, the drawer part but apparantly the writer is also the inker so he gets heckled, frequently, by a fan (played by co-producer Scott Moiser) who calls him a tracer. It basically implies that the person who draws the art for a comic book has a really small role in the gestation of the comic book.

Not really true of course, but the character is an insecure twat that he lashes out at the ahole who calls him a tracer.

Edgy MD
May 10 2007 04:32 PM

Oh. That might have worked maybe if my setup was the opposite.

Elster88
May 10 2007 07:09 PM

I got pretty bored. The action scenes were great but in between was a snooze-fest. I'm tired of speeches from Aunt May.

Elster88
May 10 2007 07:11 PM

SteveJRogers wrote:
Yancy Street Gang wrote:
This movie wasn't made with a Spider-Man 4 in mind.

There may yet be one, but this movie doesn't set us up in any way for what might come next.


Which is the reason why Sony pretty much "forced" Sam Rami to use Venom in this film. Rami wanted to concentrate on the more classic villians that were created during Stan Lee's run with the character, but Sony essentially made Rami use probably the most popular villian in Spidey's Rouges Gallery.


I don't suppose you have proof of this? I'd be interested to read where you got this from.

Elster88
May 12 2007 06:53 PM

That's about what I expected.

SteveJRogers
May 12 2007 08:51 PM

[url]http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=41291&type=0

Producers Beefed Up Spidey 3

Sam Raimi, writer/director of Spider-Man 3, told SCI FI Wire that he had a smaller sequel in mind with fewer characters, until producers Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin suggested adding a key villain and a key love interest. "I had worked on the story with my brother, Ivan, and primarily it was a story that featured the Sandman [Thomas Haden Church]," Raimi said in a news conference in Beverly Hills, Calif., last week. "It was really about Peter, Mary Jane, Harry and that new character."

That's Peter Parker/Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire), Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst) and Harry Osborn (James Franco). Then Ziskin suggested adding Gwen Stacy, played by Bryce Dallas Howard, a popular character in the Marvel comics, who was Peter Parker's first love interest before she perished and before Mary Jane Watson appeared.

"Well, my brother and I had written in the story about another woman that recognized Peter and knew who he was at this dinner and that Mary Jane got jealous of her," Raimi said. "But Laura Ziskin, my producer, said, 'Let's make it Gwen.' And I said, 'I don't think I should, because, ... really, Gwen was introduced before Mary Jane in the comic books, and now I'm introducing her later, and ... she's not even in high school anymore. She's in college. And I'm afraid if I introduce Gwen, the fans will have all these expectations, which we're not going to deliver in this picture.' And she said, 'Well, the fans would much rather have Gwen make an introduction now, and you can do what you need to do or someone can do what they need to do in the fourth picture with her, but at least you've introduced her, and they would appreciate that.'"

Raimi said he considered the suggestion. "After much soul-searching, I thought, 'Maybe it's true. I've already screwed up the order, and I've already started the Mary Jane [storyline] first,'" Raimi said. "'Whenever [Gwen's] introduced, she'll be introduced in the wrong order. I might as well give the fans the introduction to Gwen.' So I took her advice and named her Gwen Stacy and therefore connected her to a policeman who had been on the periphery of the scenes [and became her father, Capt. Stacy, played by James Cromwell]. Made a little stronger relationship between them but, not much, just enough to be true to the fact that she was his daughter. That's about all."

As he has discussed previously, Raimi added that it was Arad's idea to add the villain Venom to the mix. "Avi Arad, my partner and the former president of Marvel at the time, said to me, 'Sam, ... you're not paying attention to the fans enough,'" Raimi said. "'You need to think about them. You've made two movies now with your favorite villains, and now you're about to make another one with your favorite villains. The fans love Venom. He is the fan favorite. All Spider-Man readers love Venom, and even though you came from '70s Spider-Man, this is what the kids are thinking about. Please incorporate Venom. Listen to the fans now.' And so that's really where I realized, 'OK, maybe I don't have the whole Spider-Man universe in my head. I need to learn a little bit more about Spider-Man and maybe incorporate this villain to make some of the real die-hard fans of Spider-Man finally happy.'" Spider-Man 3 opens May 4. —Patrick Lee, News Editor

Elster88
May 13 2007 09:16 AM

Appreciate it

Vic Sage
May 15 2007 02:22 PM

...Laura Ziskin, my producer, said, 'Well, the fans would much rather have Gwen make an introduction now, and you can do what you need to do or someone can do what they need to do in the fourth picture with her, but at least you've introduced her, and they would appreciate that.'"

..."Avi Arad, my partner and the former president of Marvel at the time, said to me, 'Sam, ... you're not paying attention to the fans enough...You need to think about them... The fans love Venom. He is the fan favorite... Please incorporate Venom. Listen to the fans now.'



You know what fans appreciate? A good story, well told. Shoehorning characters in to appease the producers' notion of what their audience wants is a recipe for a crapfest.

I still haven't seen the movie, but this description of Raimi's "creative process" doesn't fill me with hope.

Benjamin Grimm
May 15 2007 02:28 PM

If I remember right, Vic, you weren't too crazy about the first two Spidey films.

The third one is definitely the least of them.

And I agree, they should tell a good story and use whatever characters fit into that good story.

Edgy MD
May 15 2007 08:37 PM

Thing about Venom is that he's visually thrilling; as a character, there isn't much there, except an outward projection of Peter's inner demons.

Nymr83
May 15 2007 08:53 PM

if theres a 4th one, we can introduce Carnage, who is as much fun as Venom, especially since he hates both Spidey AND Venom.

Benjamin Grimm
May 16 2007 07:07 AM

I don't think I know who Carnage is.

I'd prefer the fourth movie to be a Strange Tales kind of movie where Spidey teams up with the Human Torch to fight the Wizard and Paste Pot Pete.

Vic Sage
May 16 2007 12:39 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
If I remember right, Vic, you weren't too crazy about the first two Spidey films.The .


no, i didn't love them, but i liked them well enough. I preferred the 2nd, because Molina's Doc Ock was better (both as a character and as a performance) than Defoe's Goblin. Also, the scene on the train in S-M 2 was terrific.

but all the movies have the same problem... Kirsten Dunst. She gives a bad name to bad actresses everywhere. She should be pecked to death by woodpeckers, and after they suck her sap dry, the dessicated wooden remains should be set ablaze.

And Paste Pot Pete? ...Yancy, you kill me. Weren't there 3 villains in that book... PPP, the Wizard, and the ... um... Trapster.. Trickster? Something like that?

but i do think they should do a Spidey-FF x-o ... the story where Pete needs money, so tries to join the FF, only to discover that they don't get paid either.

Benjamin Grimm
May 16 2007 12:48 PM

Paste Pot Pete and the Trapster are the same guy. (After a few appearances in Strange Tales he realized he needed a better name and a costume.) I think the name change came in FF #36, the first time the Frightful Four got together. The evil FF had three previously seen characters: The Wizard and Pete, who had teamed up in Strange Tales, and the Sandman who up to that point was (I think) just a Spidey villain. The fourth member of the team was a brand new character, the mysterious lady known as Medusa. When the Wizard found her she wasn't living with the Inhumans. Instead she was living in a cave, wearing a yellow dress, and using her hair to toss the locals around. (Gosh, I love that old Lee and Kirby stuff!)

I was talking about this with my son the other day. Now that so many Marvel characters have been (or soon will be) on the big screen, it would be cool if they started to tie it together into an onscreen Marvel universe. Having the Torch in the next Spidey movie would be a good way to start.

Nymr83
May 16 2007 12:56 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
I don't think I know who Carnage is.

I'd prefer the fourth movie to be a Strange Tales kind of movie where Spidey teams up with the Human Torch to fight the Wizard and Paste Pot Pete.



Carnage is the offspring of Venom's symbiote that has "infected" a serial killer who was once Eddie Brock's cell mate.

Willets Point
May 20 2007 09:57 AM

I think the fourth movie should feature Spidey versus the Wall:

Elster88
May 20 2007 10:04 AM

Spidey = Met-lovin big shot?

Willets Point
May 20 2007 10:15 AM

Elster88 wrote:
Spidey = Met-lovin big shot?


Oh yeah!

SteveJRogers
May 20 2007 10:21 AM

Spidey "got married" at Shea that day in 1987, (IIRC the same night Dwight Gooden returned from his suspenion) everyone got a free copy of the Amazing Spider-Man 1987 Annual that was the issue where Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson tied the knot.

Hulk, Captain America and Spidey's "Amazing Friends" co-stars Iceman and Firestar also made apperances. (no fun and games with villians making apperances)

Neat publicity tie-in though, but highly cheezy and not something that should ever occur again!

Also Spidey was been spotted hanging with Mr. Met and crawling around Shea in help for the promotion of the first Spider-Man movie.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 15 2007 06:31 AM

Bumping this just in case anyone else has seen it by now and would like to cast a vote.

Today Spidey 3 starts its seventh week in the theaters. That's a pretty long run, isn't it? I don't pay attention to such things, but I wonder how long most hit movies stay in release, and how quickly the flops are shut down?