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Redbirds' Josh Hancock Killed In Car Accident

OlerudOwned
Apr 29 2007 09:59 AM

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20070429&content_id=1936551&vkey=pr_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl

29 years old. Apparently it was La Russa who had to notify his family.

Not much you can say, really. It's sad when people die. I'm going to cringe every time I hear somebody say that this "puts things in perspective".

RIP

Batty31
Apr 29 2007 01:07 PM

Gary and Ron were talking about this earlier. Apparently he hit a tow truck that was helping someone else who had been in an earlier accident.

Very sad news, indeed.

iramets
Apr 29 2007 01:22 PM

Lucky for La Russa that he wasn't killed by a drunk driver. Man, THAT would have been an uncomfortable conversation.

Edgy DC
Apr 29 2007 05:57 PM

You may remember Hancock was the pitcher who was released by the Reds on the first day of spring training last year as an example casualty of Jerry Narron establishing a no-bullshit regime. He caught on with the Cards and ended up being the workhorse of a championship bullpen.

Reports say that he had overslept three days earlier, worrying his teammates when he didn't answer until the "20th call," giving them flashbacks of the day Darryl Kile didn't pick up. He was expected to be fined for the incident.

Frayed Knot
Apr 29 2007 07:38 PM

Obviously it brings Kile to mind.
That was 5 years ago, also on a day when they were to face the Cubs, also a national TV game (that was a Sat afternoon FOX game) that wound up getting canceled.

ABG
Apr 30 2007 02:33 PM

I don't remember him all that well from the Series against the Mets, but it appears he didn't fare well.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hancojo01.shtml

RIP. Its a terrible thing when someone as young as he dies too soon.

TransMonk
Apr 30 2007 03:01 PM

5 earned runs without getting an out in Game 4 of the 2006 NLCS...I remember making fun of him during that outing.

He also pitched two-thirds of an inning on April 4th of this year vs. the Mets, gave up the Reyes and Beltran blasts in the same inning...I made fun of him then, too.

In all seriousness, I wish he were still around to make fun of. RIP

Benjamin Grimm
May 02 2007 11:52 AM

This story has had a couple of twists that we haven't acknowledged yet in this thread.

The following is from this morning's Philadelphia Inquirer:

="Phil Sheridan"]
Truth might have saved Hancock
Phil Sheridan
Inquirer Columnist

Tony La Russa wants to talk about agendas. That's his word: agendas.
The St. Louis Cardinals' manager said he warned his players about the media and possible "agendas" as reporting continued on the death of relief pitcher Josh Hancock early Sunday morning. Reporters, he said, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, might "want to turn this into . . . some kind of story that's not all sweet. I've already seen signs of that. I'm sitting here listening."

La Russa gestured with the fungo bat he happened to be holding.

"The first time I hear insincerity," he said, "I'll start swinging this fungo, because it doesn't have its place."

Let's keep it sincere, then, when we examine La Russa's own agenda and how it might have factored into the events that led to Hancock's fatal accident.

The Post-Dispatch reported in yesterday's editions that Hancock was involved in another serious accident about 5:30 a.m. Thursday. That's a little under three days before he died. According to police officials, Hancock's SUV rolled into an intersection on the Illinois side of the Mississippi River and was struck by a tractor-trailer.

Hancock, 29, was not cited by the officer on the scene. He was driving near a cluster of nightclubs and strip bars that stay open until 5 a.m. - three hours after last call on the Missouri side of the river.

The truck sheared off Hancock's front bumper and damaged his radiator. That's why he was driving a rented SUV when he died.

"Just another inch or so and he could have died two days earlier, because that tractor-trailer was traveling about 45 to 50 m.p.h.," the police chief of Sauget, Ill., Patrick Delaney, told the Post-Dispatch.

The Cardinals had a day game Thursday. Hancock was late for it. Teammates, remembering all too well the sudden death of pitcher Darryl Kile in 2002, nervously called Hancock a number of times. When he showed up, team sources told the Post-Dispatch, he was too hung over to pitch.

It is not clear whether La Russa knew the full story of the Thursday accident. He declined to answer a direct question about that on Monday. According to the paper's story, Hancock told people he was fined $500 for being late.

The official word from the Cardinals on Thursday: Hancock thought the game was later and, having just purchased a new, comfy bed, simply overslept. La Russa himself, according to the Post-Dispatch, said: "It's not worth discussing. It's personal and not baseball-related."

Toxicology reports from the night of Hancock's fatal accident are not yet ready. But the newspaper's account of the hours preceding the crash, citing eyewitness accounts, reads like any typical night out after a major-league game. The pitcher had been seen drinking in one bar-restaurant - the manager felt compelled to ask if he wanted a cab, which tells you something - and left for another. He was on his way to meet teammates at a third when the SUV crashed into the back of a 26,000-pound tow truck.

It is part of the game's culture. You play hard, you go out and drink. Sometimes you drink too much. It is also part of the game's culture to cover up when someone makes a mistake. Hung-over players are sometimes scratched from the lineup for some vague reason. A sore ankle. A case of the flu.

The point is that everyone went out of his way to cover for Hancock on Thursday. Reporters with their agenda - to find out what really happened and write about it - were given a cheerful lie. Keep that in mind if you're uneasy about reporting what unnamed sources said. The team had a chance to be forthright, and chose not to.

Here's the picture that emerges. After a scary near-miss that may have involved alcohol, Hancock went out drinking two nights later and got killed. There is no "sweet story" here, whatever La Russa thinks. Of course, on Thursday, he thought Hancock's absence from the ballpark was "not worth discussing."

A few months ago, La Russa was cited for driving under the influence while in Florida for spring training. The publicity that caused had to be a terrible, humbling experience for such a proud man. Could that make him want to spare a young player from the same kind of experience? Maybe. Or maybe he really didn't know what happened. It's possible.

You wonder if a newspaper story about Hancock's first wee-hours accident, or a DUI arrest, would have changed his behavior just a couple of nights later.

You wonder if, had the agenda been to hold him accountable instead of to cover for him, things might have been different.

You wonder how many rules were bent for him before Hancock ran into some of those rules that don't bend for anyone.

It's enough to make you want to swing a fungo bat at something.

Edgy DC
May 02 2007 12:00 PM

Bam.

Johnny Dickshot
May 02 2007 12:23 PM

Yeah, well-done.

metirish
May 02 2007 12:30 PM

The NY Daily News has him talking with Dave Campbell(ESPN) at the restaurant


[URL=http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2007/05/02/2007-05-02_not_first_crash_for_hancock-2.html]Daily News Story[/url]

Frayed Knot
May 02 2007 12:35 PM

Strong head sports figures in smaller one-newspaper towns - like LaRussa, like Whitey before him, like any number of college football or basketball coaches - tend to get used to being able to spin a story their way. This one, I'm sure, is attracting outside interest and is therefore tougher to contain and between it and the Cards slow start this season there have been several stories of LaRussa getting all ornery and butting heads even with his usual press detail.

Edgy DC
May 02 2007 12:42 PM

Campbell's statement sounds like his lawyer wrote it. Let's let "I'm not that type of journalist" speak for itself.

iramets
May 02 2007 12:57 PM

Not to blow this story up to world-scale, but there's a famous story about JFK trying to control the story about the Bay of Pigs invasion, phoning up the Times' publisher, whose story had gotten hold of the leaked info about the invasion, to lay off on the basis of "national security" but after the invasion was a huge blot on his reputation was angry WITH THE TIMES for their agreeing to spike the story. "If the bastards had gone ahead and published it," he said (paraphrasing) "I would have had to call the damned invasion off!"

Similarly, if the press had gotten (and had published) the truth, Hancock might be alive today. Embarrased, angry maybe, but alive.

IOW, do your friggen job, let other people do theirs, and if it pisses you off, learn to live with it.

Edgy DC
May 04 2007 09:57 AM

Toxicology reports are in. Dude was very drunk. And on the cell phone. They're still checking if he was high, but there was 8.5 grams of pot in the car also

Centerfield
May 04 2007 10:28 AM

Couple of thoughts...

No one has really explained whether or not that tow truck had presented a danger by being stopped in the driving lane. Was it in plain sight? Or was it around a curve or over an embankment? Shouldn't they have put out some sort of warnings for an oncoming car?

Hancock being drunk...I wonder how that will effect this stories about him. If he had survived and killed someone else, he would be villain. Instead, because he died, his jersey hangs in the dugouts and he gets black armbands. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, just that it's interesting how the consequences can change how an act is viewed.

Edgy DC
May 04 2007 10:42 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 04 2007 11:01 AM

Well, if he survived, there'd be no hanging jersey or black armband under any circumstances.

The struggle of a brewery owned team managed by a guy recently arrested for DWI trying to parse their statments will be interesting and require some overtime.

Interesting that Cincinnati, in retrospect, knew what they were doing in cutting him loose, but has also thrown lifelines to Josh Hamilton and, less successfully, Toe Nash in recent years.

Josh, by the way, should be the story of the year so far. Too bad he looks looped in the team photo.

soupcan
May 04 2007 10:42 AM

The truck was in the driving lane but it was late at night (not a lot of traffic) and it had its flashing lights on. Sounds like it would've been hard to miss.

Stopped in the driving lane or not, I know when I'm driving and see flashing lights I slow down until I know exactly what is going on.

Centerfield
May 04 2007 10:51 AM

iramets wrote:
Lucky for La Russa that he wasn't killed by a drunk driver. Man, THAT would have been an uncomfortable conversation.


Turns out he was.

Benjamin Grimm
May 04 2007 10:59 AM

Well, as La Russa seems to want to put it, now the story is "not all sweet."

soupcan
May 04 2007 01:43 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
The struggle of a brewery owned team managed by a guy recently arrested for DWI trying to parse their statments will be interesting and require some overtime.


I don't think Anheuser Busch owns them anymore. Weren't the Redbirds sold within the last year or so or was that a dream I had?

Edgy DC
May 04 2007 01:51 PM

Sorry, change that to "brewery-affiliated."

Nymr83
May 04 2007 03:28 PM

at least this didn't happen in Milwaukee, then there'd some dumbasses whining for a name change.

metirish
May 09 2007 09:53 AM

Teams starting to ban beer in the home clubhouse,course they won't ban it in the stadium.

]

Beer Banned In Orioles Clubhouse

Kathryn Brown

(WJZ) BALTIMORE A ban of a different kind has the Baltimore Orioles aiming to keep their players from getting hurt or even killed. The players at Camden Yards will no longer be able to enjoy a post-game beer or any other alcoholic beverage.

Kathryn Brown reports the decision to ban beer inside the players' clubhouse came just five days after a Cardinals pitcher died from drinking and driving.

Baseball and beer. The combination is as old as the sport itself, but team executives with the Orioles say it's also lethal. In a move that's drawing a mixed reaction from players, they are no long providing alcohol in the clubhouse. For some, cracking a cold one after the game is a treasured ritual, part of the culture of baseball.

"My thing is, you gotta use common sense. They ban it in here in the clubhouse, but they sell it out there to the fans. You gotta know when to say when," said pitcher Jamie Walker.

"Most of us are adults over 21 and it's, I think, our responsibility to monitor how much alcohol we consume at any point in time," said outfielder Corey Patterson.

The ban comes in the wake of a fatal car crash involving Cardinals pitcher Josh Hancock. Reports show he was drinking and driving. O's players learned about the decision after Friday's game.

"In light of what happened with the Cardinals and their player getting killed, we thought it was the right time to do it," said Jim Duquette, vice president of baseball operations.

Duquette made the same decision to ban alcohol from the clubhouse several years ago when he was general manager of the New York Mets.

"The players, as you would expect, some it doesn't really affect them all that much and some were surprised by it because it's been a part of the culture in baseball for so long," Duquette said.

"I don't want to say it's right, but it's not wrong either. But I think everybody around a major league team is a grown man," said catcher Ramon Hernandez.

"In a way, it's a good decision because it prevents things from happening," said outfielder Nick Markakis.

Six clubs in baseball now have alcohol bans in their clubhouse. Alcohol is still made available in the visiting clubhouse.

(© MMVII, CBS Broadcasting I


another article says the six teams are....

The Yankees, Mets, Twins ,Pirates and Oakland.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/05/06/SPGIDPLSJF1.DTL

Edgy DC
May 09 2007 10:08 AM

Some are banning it in the visitor clubhouse also.

I don't think it's a ban so much as not providing it, which may well be about risk management as much as anything.

The argument about selling it to the fans (at un-Godly fees) misses some key distinctions.

metirish
May 10 2007 09:30 AM

A sensible approach by the Brewers.

]

Brewers won't enact clubhouse beer ban
ESPN.com news services

Teams throughout baseball have changed or are mulling changes in their clubhouse alcohol policies following the death of St. Louis Cardinals pitcher Josh Hancock. And the Milwaukee Brewers are among teams who looked at their policy and decided no change was needed.

The Brewers said Wednesday they will continue to allow beer in their clubhouse during home and away games.

Pitcher Chris Capuano, the Brewers' representative to the players association, told the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel that the decision was consistent with the way the club treats its players.

"For the most part they treat us like adults. There's no curfew on the road. You're expected to handle yourself professionally," he told the newspaper. "Guys are not going to sit in the clubhouse and drink four and five beers and then drive. We would never do anything like that. But it's nice if a guy wants to have a beer after a game that the team is OK with it."

Alcohol played a role in Hancock's death in a one-car accident, as an autopsy showed he was over the legal blood-alcohol content limit of .08 at the time his rented SUV crashed into a parked flatbed tow truck on a St. Louis-area interstate highway.

Following his death, the Cardinals banned alcohol in their clubhouse, the Oakland Athletics and New York Yankees extended their home clubhouse bans on alcohol to visiting clubhouses, and several clubs said they were examining their clubhouse alcohol policies.

The Brewers have special reason to be sensitive about alcohol issues. The team is named for the city's brewing heritage and honors that history down to the sheath of wheat underscoring the script "M" on its hats.

Several years ago, the team ended the practice of its lederhosen-clad mascot, Bernie Brewer, descending a giant slide into an oversized mug of beer after Brewers home runs.

The club is in the second year of a seven-year marketing and promotions agreement with Milwaukee-based Miller Brewing Co., which paid $41.2 million to put its name on the Brewers' stadium through 2019.

Julian Green, a Miller Brewing spokesman, told the Journal-Sentinel that the company is not involved in stadium operations at Miller Park, and was not consulted about the clubhouse decision.

After Thursday's 3-1 victory over Washington, the Brewers assured themselves of having the best record in baseball (24-10) for a fifth straight day.

metsmarathon
May 24 2007 05:50 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/05/24/hancock.lawsuit.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

what a fucking ass. hancock's father is suing the restaurant that liquored him up, which i can somewhat understand, but also the towtruck operator whose tow truck the drunken, cell-phone-yapping, seatbelt-not-wearing, marijuana possessing pitcher slammed into, and the driver of the car which the tow truck had stopped to help.

un-fucking real.

bmfc1
May 24 2007 06:17 PM

Sad and sickening. His kid was drunk and it was the fault of the bar. His son drove drunk and the tow truck driver and stalled car were in the way. What if it was a little kid walking across the street? Would he sue the kid for being little? It's everybody else's fault but his drunk, stoner son. Why doesn't he sue the construction company that built the bar, the beer maker for making such a delicious product and the car company that made his son's car?

iramets
May 24 2007 06:23 PM

Probably better to have taken out serious life insurance on his son's multi-mil career rather than try to squeeze it out of innocent bystanders.

bmfc1
May 25 2007 11:20 AM

Good column by Bryan Burwell. I can't believe he writes for the same paper as that Cardinals lapdog, Bernie Miklasz:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/columnists.nsf/bryanburwell/story/1FBF0AE27864112A862572E600125E84?OpenDocument