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IGT 05/17/07 - An Afternoon Game 4 with the Cubbies
| TransMonk May 17 2007 10:43 AM |
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The Mets send out the split squad:
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| smg58 May 17 2007 10:49 AM |
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I'll be really impressed if the Mets can win with this line-up.
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| soupcan May 17 2007 10:52 AM Re: IGT 05/17/07 - An Afternoon Game 4 with the Cubbies |
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I'm sorry but that's pretty lame.
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| smg58 May 17 2007 10:52 AM |
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I hope Vargas isn't a ground-ball pitcher. I might have put Gomez in center and Chavez in left, because I don't know how familiar Gomez is with left field.
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| soupcan May 17 2007 10:54 AM |
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I didn't even know Newhan was an infielder.
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| smg58 May 17 2007 10:55 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 17 2007 10:56 AM |
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Although Gomez did play there last night. That's what I get for not staying up.
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| Johnny Dickshot May 17 2007 10:55 AM |
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I think I saw Newhan buying a glove at the Sports Authority this morning.
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| Batty31 May 17 2007 10:56 AM |
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Quick Reyes update...Reyes did want to play today, but Willie made the decision to sit him out. Reyes says he's ok. Ed Coleman said more than likely it would be a day to day deal.
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| Batty31 May 17 2007 10:58 AM |
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There was an article in The Sporting News a couple of weeks ago that claimed he can play all infield positions except for SS.
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| soupcan May 17 2007 11:00 AM |
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So does that senior citizen at third base.
So can I, doesn't mean I'm any good at it though.
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| metirish May 17 2007 11:01 AM |
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If Vargas can win this one then fair play to him,he must have wondered what he did to deserve this lineup.
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| smg58 May 17 2007 11:04 AM |
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The TV said basically the same thing. Everybody exhale.
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| smg58 May 17 2007 11:14 AM |
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Soriano appears to be advertising something on those black things below his eyes.
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| TransMonk May 17 2007 11:15 AM |
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9 pitches, 8 strikes. I'd like to see that continue.
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| Edgy DC May 17 2007 11:16 AM |
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Yeah, starting him there is interesting, as he'd never played shortstop in a big league game before last night. Easley played 27 games there as recently as last year.
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| smg58 May 17 2007 11:21 AM |
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Soriano just played a shallow fly ball to left about as poorly as you can play it; Green gets on with a two-out single.
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| smg58 May 17 2007 11:26 AM |
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He played some short at Norfolk last year and in spring training. Willie apparently thinks his range at short is better than Easley's, or at least wants to see what he can do there. Gotay could make a decent career out of being a switch-hitting utilityman if he can handle shortstop, assuming his bat isn't quite good enough to play second full time.
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| soupcan May 17 2007 11:31 AM |
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Considering they've replaced Valentin at second with Babe Ruth I'll accept being weak in the back-up shortstop position.
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| soupcan May 17 2007 12:09 PM |
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1-0 Cubs, bottom 4.
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| Johnny Dickshot May 17 2007 12:10 PM |
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Vargas had 3 nice innings then lost the perfect game, shutout, etc. in the 4th.
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| soupcan May 17 2007 12:11 PM |
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Castro walks.
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| Johnny Dickshot May 17 2007 12:13 PM |
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bleh.
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| Benjamin Grimm May 17 2007 12:22 PM |
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Aflac trivia:
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| Nymr83 May 17 2007 12:26 PM |
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Gotay ties it up, driving in Chavez
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| Batty31 May 17 2007 12:27 PM |
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I'm at work and had to shut the radio off for a bit...how did the Cubs score??
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| soupcan May 17 2007 12:28 PM |
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Kingman ever play for the ChiSox?
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| bmfc1 May 17 2007 12:29 PM |
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No--I thought of him, too.
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| Benjamin Grimm May 17 2007 12:32 PM |
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Lance Johnson is one of the three.
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| Rotblatt May 17 2007 12:34 PM |
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Fucking Delgado. Runners at first and third, 1 out, and he GIDP.
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| metirish May 17 2007 12:35 PM |
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WTF is going on with him,twil be June soon and he's still not got it going.
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| bmfc1 May 17 2007 12:36 PM |
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Dick Tidrow is one.
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| Rotblatt May 17 2007 12:38 PM |
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He's actually been a'ight in May so far (.861 OPS compared to .522 in April) but he's a long, long way away from the dude we traded for . . .
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| bmfc1 May 17 2007 12:38 PM |
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Charlie Smith.
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| Benjamin Grimm May 17 2007 12:38 PM |
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And the third is Charley Smith. Two-run homer by Pagan gives the Cubs a 3-1 lead.
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| bmfc1 May 17 2007 12:39 PM |
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Lance Johnson.
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| Johnny Dickshot May 17 2007 12:41 PM |
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boo
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| Nymr83 May 17 2007 12:42 PM |
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Pagan 2-run homer, Ramirez 2-run homer... can we have Pelfrey back?
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| Rotblatt May 17 2007 12:43 PM |
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Well, with our "A" team, I wouldn't put a 4-run rally past us, but with the guys we've got out there . . .
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| metirish May 17 2007 12:46 PM |
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Did Ramirez swagger around the bases?,I thought it was kinda lame during the game last night that Ron and Gary were fairly hammering Ramirez for the way he runs,or doesn't run,or just his general swagger....
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| Farmer Ted May 17 2007 12:49 PM |
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Rat farts.
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| bmfc1 May 17 2007 01:24 PM |
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How about pinch-hitting Reyes, PLD, Wright and Beltran?
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| Edgy DC May 17 2007 01:24 PM |
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Well, I had Lance Johnson. I might have eventually gotten Dirt Tidrow. Charley Smith might've taken me about ten years.
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| bmfc1 May 17 2007 01:24 PM |
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Edgy: I'm in Silver Spring. Where are you?
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| Johnny Dickshot May 17 2007 01:25 PM |
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Anyone got a good rally song? Or are we just punting?
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| Johnny Dickshot May 17 2007 01:27 PM |
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Newhan singles lead off the 9th.
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| Edgy DC May 17 2007 01:29 PM |
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Columbia Heights.
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| Johnny Dickshot May 17 2007 01:29 PM |
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Castro lines out but go-go singles, 1st and 3rd. Beltran batting for Boogers.
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| Willets Point May 17 2007 01:29 PM |
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Ugly. Starting pitching is in full-blown crisis. Too bad Omar didn't prepare for this during the offseason.
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| bmfc1 May 17 2007 01:30 PM |
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Maybe we'll say "hi" when the Mets are in town this August.
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| Edgy DC May 17 2007 01:31 PM |
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She sings from somewhere you cant see
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| Edgy DC May 17 2007 01:32 PM |
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Rally hap'nin.
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| Johnny Dickshot May 17 2007 01:32 PM |
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beltran walks to load em up.
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| Edgy DC May 17 2007 01:34 PM |
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Is Reyes or Wright comin' up next?
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| Nymr83 May 17 2007 01:34 PM |
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BALL 4!
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| Nymr83 May 17 2007 01:34 PM |
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IS GOTAY HITTING FOR HIMSELF?? WHERE THE FUCK IS WRIGHT?????????
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| Johnny Dickshot May 17 2007 01:34 PM |
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walks in a run! tying on base, gotay up, wright to ph?
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| Nymr83 May 17 2007 01:35 PM |
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gotay is hitting! willie is a fucking idiot!
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| Centerfield May 17 2007 01:35 PM |
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Gotay is not going to hit right?
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| Johnny Dickshot May 17 2007 01:36 PM |
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base hit!
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| OlerudOwned May 17 2007 01:36 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 17 2007 01:45 PM |
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Gotay gets the hit. Holy ass, Willie's backward logic works again.
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| attgig May 17 2007 01:36 PM |
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gotay making willie look like a genius. =)
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| Nymr83 May 17 2007 01:36 PM |
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Gotay singles home Gomez. thats still the wrong call by willie.
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| smg58 May 17 2007 01:37 PM |
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Wow this game got interesting.
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| Johnny Dickshot May 17 2007 01:37 PM |
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Willie = Genius.
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| Rotblatt May 17 2007 01:37 PM |
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I can't fucking believe Gotay got a hit. Still doesn't excuse Willie for not using Wright in that spot.
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| Willets Point May 17 2007 01:37 PM |
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Actually, he did.
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| Edgy DC May 17 2007 01:37 PM |
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Gotay saves Willie from NymR's rage.
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| attgig May 17 2007 01:38 PM |
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i wonder if we'll get a pinch hitter now for green with the lefty coming.
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| Edgy DC May 17 2007 01:38 PM |
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Explain that one to the hot shots at Fordham, Will.
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| OlerudOwned May 17 2007 01:38 PM |
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Lefty pitcher coming in. Provided it gets to the point, do (should?) we see Wright pinch hitting for Delgado?
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| attgig May 17 2007 01:38 PM |
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wright? wouldn't reyes have been the better matchup? hitting lefty and possibly beat out a double play ball?
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| Nymr83 May 17 2007 01:39 PM |
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Wright bats for Green against Eyre
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| OlerudOwned May 17 2007 01:39 PM |
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Well, never mind.
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| Nymr83 May 17 2007 01:39 PM |
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BASEHIT, BELTRAN SCORES
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| OlerudOwned May 17 2007 01:40 PM |
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And Wright does the job. Holy crap. 5-4
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| Gwreck May 17 2007 01:40 PM |
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With Easley already out of the game and Reyes (presumably) unavailable, I don't know how we would've used Wright as the PH. Wright playing SS?
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| attgig May 17 2007 01:40 PM |
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man, that spoils things with my mlb.tv delay..... but...WOOHOO! anyways =)
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| bmfc1 May 17 2007 01:40 PM |
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You guys are ahead of the internet audio feed!
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| Edgy DC May 17 2007 01:40 PM |
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Silly Crane Pool.
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| Nymr83 May 17 2007 01:40 PM |
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Loaded for Delgado with Franco and possible Newhan to follow. Reyes and Loduca still on the bench.
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| Nymr83 May 17 2007 01:41 PM |
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BASEHIT, CHAVEZ SCORES, GOMEZ SCORES, METS WIN!!!!!
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| smg58 May 17 2007 01:41 PM |
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Wow.
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| attgig May 17 2007 01:41 PM |
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please no DP. please no DP.
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| Edgy DC May 17 2007 01:41 PM |
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Are they giving him the bunt?
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| OlerudOwned May 17 2007 01:41 PM |
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Wow.
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| Johnny Dickshot May 17 2007 01:42 PM |
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Boy that fucking Devo song is something else.
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| Willets Point May 17 2007 01:42 PM |
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Fuckin-A! I love this team!
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| bmfc1 May 17 2007 01:42 PM |
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YESSSS!
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| attgig May 17 2007 01:42 PM |
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woohoo! =) (a few seconds delayed)
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| bmfc1 May 17 2007 01:42 PM |
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Can we distribute 100 points for this one?
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| Rotblatt May 17 2007 01:43 PM |
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Holy fucking shit.
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| Gwreck May 17 2007 01:43 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 17 2007 01:46 PM |
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Damn.
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| Edgy DC May 17 2007 01:44 PM |
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We are Devo.
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| Centerfield May 17 2007 01:45 PM |
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NEVER A DOUBT!!!! WILLIE FOR PRESIDENT!!!!
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| metirish May 17 2007 01:48 PM |
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Well I can't wait to watch this tonight,what a team ...
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| Centerfield May 17 2007 01:51 PM |
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This team may be good, but it's David Newhan that gets it all started.
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| Centerfield May 17 2007 01:55 PM |
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In all fairness, pinch-hitting Wright for Green was ballsy and absolutely the right move. Fantastic. With that lineup, then the pinch-hitting in the 9th, it was Willie's "I'm not left-handed" moment.
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| Nymr83 May 17 2007 01:57 PM |
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its "ballsy" to sit a lefty against a lefty in favor of a right-handed batter who clobbers lefties and happens to be the face of your organization? i can't call that ballsy, its the correct move though.
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| Johnny Dickshot May 17 2007 01:59 PM |
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I didn't see it but sounded on the radio that Newhan was nearly doubled off first when Castro lined out, having run on the pitch.
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| Benjamin Grimm May 17 2007 02:01 PM |
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It was pretty close. The ball squirted out of the first baseman's glove, so the safe call was automatic. I think he would have been called safe anyway, but it WAS close.
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| Centerfield May 17 2007 02:04 PM |
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When was the last time the Mets scored 5 in the 9th to win? Was it the Curt Schilling game?
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| Willets Point May 17 2007 02:06 PM |
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Well the starting pitching is still an issue even if the offense bailed them out. Again.
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| Vic Sage May 17 2007 02:24 PM |
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holy crap!
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| Edgy DC May 17 2007 02:31 PM |
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i guess it's always an issue. But when does it become less of an issue? NL Starting Pitchers' ERA by TeamI applaud the Mets starting pitching and the men and women who assembled it.
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| attgig May 17 2007 02:31 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 17 2007 02:33 PM |
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the throw was online, but it was a short hop going to the 1bman. it bounced and went off his chest. if he caught it off the hop, it would've been close, but newhan still had it beat. if he stretched it out, and tried to catch it before the hop (tough play with a throw from OF), he might've been out.
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| Nymr83 May 17 2007 02:32 PM |
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Chris Russo right now is ripping Piniella, apparently the entire team isnt talking to the media right now and they have no clip of him to play
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| Frayed Knot May 17 2007 02:33 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 17 2007 02:34 PM |
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Nothing Lou would say right now could be put on the air anyway.
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| attgig May 17 2007 02:33 PM |
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it's not that they're not talking with the media just today, but they don't talk to media on any road game....
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| Benjamin Grimm May 17 2007 02:36 PM |
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Yeah, and what they have to say is rarely of much interest anyway.
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| attgig May 17 2007 02:37 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 17 2007 02:38 PM |
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they got some Lou audio on the fan.
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| Nymr83 May 17 2007 02:38 PM |
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and now they do have lou! "i don't know, i don't know i'll tell you the truth these gus are really good i dont know what else to say ..." said dempster looked great his last time out, said he had to yank dempster because of cramps
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| seawolf17 May 17 2007 03:37 PM |
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MiniWolf actually said "Gotay" when I was yelling it during the rally. He picks up quickly.
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| G-Fafif May 17 2007 03:46 PM |
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Went to today's game on a whim.
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| sharpie May 17 2007 04:29 PM |
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Went to this game with a bunch of people from work. As we were going to the bottom of the ninth some of the people were saying this was the most boring game EVER and we should really be seeing the MFYs. Um, they took that back. Amazin'.
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| Rockin' Doc May 17 2007 09:15 PM |
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sharpie, you need to find a place to work withy smarter coworkers. hanging out with that bunch could lob double digits from your IQ.
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| Johnny Dickshot May 17 2007 09:17 PM |
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Feel free to hire me.
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| soupcan May 17 2007 09:23 PM |
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I felt like the Jimmy Fallon character in 'Fever Pitch' today.
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| TransMonk May 17 2007 10:24 PM |
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Just watched the game online since I missed it at work.
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| Elster88 May 18 2007 12:52 PM |
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Willie on the FAN re: Eyre "Green told me the day before 'I just can't hit this guy'. So I had Wright there and I used him."
Maybe, just maybe, Willie knows his team better than a bunch of bums on the internet. PS: I wanted Wright for Gotay, not Green, too.
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| Edgy DC May 18 2007 01:07 PM |
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I like Paul Lo Duca's batting approach. I defend his skillz. But --- and I came to this realization slower than Willie ---- Paul Lo Duca is exactly the guy I don't want up there with DP force outs all over the place and available outs dwindling.
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| Elster88 May 18 2007 01:14 PM |
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Green is 2 for 25 (.080) against Eyre lifetime. Willie admits to not knowing the numbers, but he says he went with his gut because of Green's statement. "Guys rarely say that they can't hit someone."
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| Edgy DC May 18 2007 01:20 PM |
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Some cajones also, and I don't mean that in the absence of brains and experience, but in trusting his own brains and experience. Because if he goes down sticking with Gotay, while Wright never bats, he gets ripped(as the Pool was starting to do), even if it's intellectually defensible as the right move.
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| Rotblatt May 18 2007 01:43 PM |
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Well, LoDuca's 0-11 against Dempster, so that might not be the best move either . . . I think Willie played everything fairly well in that sequence--definitely not disasterous, which was my first thought when I realized he was leaving Gotay in.
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| Edgy DC May 18 2007 02:03 PM |
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Yup, yup, dixie cup.
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| Johnny Dickshot May 18 2007 02:11 PM |
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Plus there were hardly and good memories in the ~4 years before and since the Hendu game, so it sorta stands out.
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| G-Fafif May 18 2007 02:51 PM |
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Mets Walkoffs noted the Mets have won four games by overcoming a four-run deficit in the ninth: Steve Henderson, Carl Everett (down six, tied in nine, won in extras) and Olerud-Schilling. All four are among my fondest memories but only this one didn't involve a home run. Ventura hit what appeared to be a meaningless dinger off Schilling in '99. And I don't know who to name this one after. Ruben Gotay? Carlos Delgado? Willie Randolph? Ryan Dempster? I can't imagine any Mets fan with a memory of May 17, 2007 who saw it will ever forget it. Then again, I thought Marlon Anderson's inside-the-parker would live forever on a par with Steve Henderson. Two years later, not sure it has given that so much more has happened (yay!). But I haven't polled anybody.
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| Johnny Dickshot May 18 2007 02:55 PM |
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I'll always remember the Marlon Anderson game.
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| Iubitul May 18 2007 03:04 PM |
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At the end of the Steve Henderson game, I remember Fred Wilpon standing on the field in front of the Mets dugout giving Hendu a high-five. Is my memory faulty?
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| Edgy DC May 18 2007 03:08 PM |
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Further Overanalysis:
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| Johnny Dickshot May 18 2007 03:08 PM |
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I should add though, I remember it almost as much as The Cliff Floyd Game.
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| G-Fafif May 18 2007 03:32 PM |
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A game's ID is helped enormously if a bit or relatively obscure player or opponent is the protagonist. I'm thinking there were a number of Cliff Floyd games in 2005, certainly amid his entire Met tenure (aside: hearing him with Eddie C. in Thursday's pregame reminded me why I loved him; few ballplayers are as self-aware). Just as there are many Carlos Delgado games to date. To use the three examples of four-run, ninth-inning comebacks and the process one gives to naming them: Steve Henderson: No question who owns this memory. In 1980 I would have said "but there are a lot of Steve Henderson games," but hindsight makes it pretty clear that there's to be no confusion that June 14, 1980 is the one we're talking about. Carl Everett: Bernard Gilkey made it a win on September 13, 1997, but I will always remember it as Everett's doing that it got that far (sort of like Floyd winning it but Anderson tying it). A tip of the hat to Roberto Petagine for keeping it going, but a grand slam with two out after it was 6-0 and 6-2? No, it's Carl's. Olerud/Schilling: A tougher call from May 23, 1999. Johnny was the hero, no doubt, but what set this apart was the Philadelphia ace staying in for the duration. There seemed to be no question that he wasn't coming out. No closer on call. Or as I yelled to my cats while on the couch and absorbing the sudden turn of fortune: "I HATE THAT GUY!" I didn't even know I did until that moment. The other image is Cedeno having himself an air fight after crossing home plate ("take that, AIR!"). Oly of course had a few big hits in his time. Now THAT'S a game that gets lost in the shuffle of bigger things that came later. But to that moment it felt like the greatest comeback ever that wasn't the other two or from October '86. Yesterday will probably go down in my mind as the Cubs game, which doesn't sound right but seems accurate enough. Not to be confused with the Victor Diaz game (which has always been more Diaz than Brazell to me; sorry Craig) or anything from the distant past of Don Young and Jimmy Qualls. I've still got chills from yesterday, I tell you what. Not to repeat myself from FAFIF, but you fantasize about endings like that. Not that I haven't had the good fortune of bearing witness to a few onsite (Mora, Pratt, Piazza and the nine runs that preceded him), but there is something time-bomb explosive about an unexpected ninth-inning comeback. It retrospect, it seems inevitable. It wasn't a true meltdown from Dempster in my eyes, a la what Wagner experienced a year ago this weekend (heaven forefend a repeat). The Mets just kind of said, all right, let's go win this thing. Presumptuous but that's my takeaway. No wonder Ron Santo hates this place so much: http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/cs-cubsbits17may17,1,804647.story
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| G-Fafif May 18 2007 03:36 PM |
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I vote for honesty and wisdom. Shawn's a vet, one of several experienced players on this team who's here to win, not pump himself up unnecessarily (here to win in the "let's get it done" vein, not "I signed here to get a ring"). He's been around long enough to know if Scott Eyre is his Kryptonite and if so, why should he screw over the team to attempt to glorify himself when he's aware that the world's greatest bench is backing him up on this particular day? I noticed upon watching the replay last night that he was as charged up as any Met bolting from the dugout to congratulate Delgado. Maybe there's something to these silly haircuts after all. Didn't realize it was Wright's first PH appearance until later. One more nugget that makes this an instant legend.
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| Frayed Knot May 18 2007 08:28 PM |
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From what I took from Willie's comments about Green & Eyre is that Shawn mentioned "not seeing this guy well" at some point prior to the 9th inning, not at that moment itself. IOW, Willie had that in the back of his mind when the situation came up but it wasn't like Green was looking for a way out there.
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| Edgy DC May 18 2007 08:37 PM |
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Sure, I assumed that was an earlier statement. I was looking for what distinguishes (in Willie's mind, at least) this "honest and wise" acknowledgment of one's inabilities from the one that ended Steve Trachsel's tenure. And I guess that distinction is that Green did it earlier in a moment of reflection and preparation, and Trax did it in the heat of the battle.
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| OlerudOwned May 19 2007 08:34 AM |
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| iramets May 19 2007 08:46 AM |
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Is there some place I can find an explanation for math dummies as to what these damned (interesting) charts mean, how they're derived, etc.?
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