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metirish
May 18 2007 07:04 AM

Un-Fucking-Real......

[url=http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spjason0518,0,6550448.story?coll=ny-top-headlines]Giambi admits taking steroids,thinks MLB should apologize[/url]

Edgy DC
May 18 2007 07:11 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 18 2007 07:40 AM

Too big to bury. I'm splitting.

metirish
May 18 2007 07:15 AM

I should point out that Giambi never said the word steroids..calling it"that stuff"

Benjamin Grimm
May 18 2007 07:22 AM

For posterity:

="Newsday"]
Report: Giambi regrets doing "that stuff"

May 18, 2007, 8:08 AM EDT

The Yankees' Jason Giambi discussed taking steroids and thinks that Major League Baseball should apologize for drug use by its players according to a report in Friday's USA Today.

In the report, Giambi says he "was wrong to do that stuff" and that the players should have taken a stand years ago. "We made a mistake," Giambi says in the article.

In February 2005, while making his first public comments since it was revealed that he told a federal grand jury he had used performance-enhancing steroids for at least three seasons, the Yankees first baseman/designated hitter opened his news conference by apologizing to fans, teammates and the organization.

"I feel I let down the fans. I feel I let down the media. I feel I let down the Yankees, not only the Yankees, but my teammates ... Most of all, to the fans, I'm sorry."

When pressed to explain what he was sorry for at the time, Giambi -- citing "ongoing legal matters" -- repeatedly said he had been advised not to go into further detail. At no time did he use the word "steroids."

Giambi, who signed a seven-year, $120-million deal in December 2001, watched as the Yankees tried to void his contract after a report in the San Francisco Chronicle contained revelations about his testimony.

According to today's USA Today, Giambi, who has five homers and is batting .273 this season, said, "that stuff didn't help me hit home runs."

Giambi used the same argument to defend his friend, San Francisco Giants slugger Barry Bonds, who is marching towards MLB's all-time home run mark.

"If it were that easy, how come you don't see anyone else doing what he has done?" Giambi said.

Giambi refused to comment on why he took steroids. "Maybe one day I'll talk about it, but not now."

Copyright 2007 Newsday Inc.

Rotblatt
May 18 2007 08:47 AM

]According to today's USA Today, Giambi, who has five homers and is batting .273 this season, said, "that stuff didn't help me hit home runs."


Really? Fascinating! Are we then to assume that he was using them because his balls were too big?

Johnny Dickshot
May 18 2007 09:00 AM

Rotblatt wrote:
]According to today's USA Today, Giambi, who has five homers and is batting .273 this season, said, "that stuff didn't help me hit home runs."


Really? Fascinating! Are we then to assume that he was using them because his balls were too big?


Were.

metsguyinmichigan
May 18 2007 03:12 PM

So, does he give his stolen MVP back? Or does he shave tens of millions off his contract, since it was obtained based on roided numbers?

THAT would be a sign of being sorry. Saying Oops and blaming MLB six years later is crap.

SteveJRogers
May 18 2007 03:47 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
So, does he give his stolen MVP back? Or does he shave tens of millions off his contract, since it was obtained based on roided numbers?

THAT would be a sign of being sorry. Saying Oops and blaming MLB six years later is crap.


I get what you are saying, but do you want to give back the 2000 NL Championship banner back? Do you want Todd Hundley (and Pizza Boy) to give back their Catching HR SS record back to the late Roy Campanella?

iramets
May 18 2007 03:53 PM

Yes, I do. Anything that wll humble these arrogant fux is fne with me. Next question?

SteveJRogers
May 18 2007 03:55 PM

iramets wrote:
Yes, I do. Anything that wll humble these arrogant fux is fne with me. Next question?


I know you do, I was asking MetGuyInMichigan just to see if he is being honest or looking at things from a Yankee Hater or Met Fan perspective.

metsguyinmichigan
May 18 2007 04:02 PM

SteveJRogers wrote:
="metsguyinmichigan"]So, does he give his stolen MVP back? Or does he shave tens of millions off his contract, since it was obtained based on roided numbers?

THAT would be a sign of being sorry. Saying Oops and blaming MLB six years later is crap.


I get what you are saying, but do you want to give back the 2000 NL Championship banner back? Do you want Todd Hundley (and Pizza Boy) to give back their Catching HR SS record back to the late Roy Campanella?


Hold on there.

Giambi has confessed. Hundley hasn't been accused anywhere other than this list, and there's a HUGE difference.

If Hundley came out and said, "Yes, I used them and MLB owes everyone an apology and they didn't help me hit home runs anyway," then yes, he should give it back. And be slapped silly.

Plus, there is a world of difference between an MVP and a single-season home run record for a catcher.

Benjamin Grimm
May 18 2007 04:06 PM

And Hundley had nothing to do with the 2000 Mets NL Championship.

SteveJRogers
May 18 2007 04:09 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
And Hundley had nothing to do with the 2000 Mets NL Championship.


I was fingering Piazza, Ventura, Hampton, Alfonzo, or anyonelse who may have suspicions and whispers considering their usage of performance enhancing substances.

iramets
May 18 2007 04:09 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
And Hundley had nothing to do with the 2000 Mets NL Championship.


I'm pretty sure Piazza was on that team, though.

iramets
May 18 2007 04:20 PM

SteveJRogers wrote:
I was fingering Piazza,


That has an unwholesome ring to it.

SteveJRogers
May 18 2007 04:51 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
="SteveJRogers"]
metsguyinmichigan wrote:
So, does he give his stolen MVP back? Or does he shave tens of millions off his contract, since it was obtained based on roided numbers?

THAT would be a sign of being sorry. Saying Oops and blaming MLB six years later is crap.


I get what you are saying, but do you want to give back the 2000 NL Championship banner back? Do you want Todd Hundley (and Pizza Boy) to give back their Catching HR SS record back to the late Roy Campanella?


Hold on there.

Giambi has confessed. Hundley hasn't been accused anywhere other than this list, and there's a HUGE difference.

If Hundley came out and said, "Yes, I used them and MLB owes everyone an apology and they didn't help me hit home runs anyway," then yes, he should give it back. And be slapped silly.

Plus, there is a world of difference between an MVP and a single-season home run record for a catcher.


I'm also saying this because you know Yankee fans are saying just the opposite, essentially good for Jason, ect. So if you were a Met fan, and Mike Piazza when he retires says "Yeah I took stuff, I'm sorry about it and I stopped because I wanted to have a family" are you going to say "Well, he stepped up and admitted it, I have more respect for the guy than an creep like "I'm not here to talk about the past" McGwire or Bonds, ect" or are you going to rip your Piazza31 jerseys to shreads and ask for the Mets to give the Giants the 2000 NL Championship (a case can be made that Bonds didn't start juicing untill after he made that last out in the 2000 NLDS, and McGwire is on the 2000 Cardinals, not the PS roster but he was there)

metsguyinmichigan
May 18 2007 05:45 PM

That's a lot of ifs there.

You don't tear up a team accomplishment because one player was cheating, so If Mikey says he was juiced, that doesn't take away the achievement of Leiter, Ventura, Franco, Benny and all.

I'm not saying give back the A's division title that Giambi got the MVP for, I'm saying his individual award is tainted and his apology seven years later is hollow, especially when he is nearing the end of a $100 million + contract he signed because of that season and says MLB -- and not him personally -- should apologize.

Edgy DC
May 18 2007 06:50 PM

SteveJRogers wrote:
="Yancy Street Gang"]And Hundley had nothing to do with the 2000 Mets NL Championship.


I was fingering Piazza, Ventura, Hampton, Alfonzo, or anyonelse who may have suspicions and whispers considering their usage of performance enhancing substances.

I'm not quite sure what you mean. But how can you not make a distinction between who has a confession hanging over him and a bunch of guys who have an idle accusation from yourself hanging over them?

SteveJRogers
May 18 2007 07:04 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
="SteveJRogers"]
="Yancy Street Gang"]And Hundley had nothing to do with the 2000 Mets NL Championship.


I was fingering Piazza, Ventura, Hampton, Alfonzo, or anyonelse who may have suspicions and whispers considering their usage of performance enhancing substances.

I'm not quite sure what you mean. But how can you not make a distinction between who has a confession hanging over him and a bunch of guys who have an idle accusation from yourself hanging over them?


Okay fine, then why are Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa lumped in with Giambi and Bonds in terms of recepients of visceral hate due to the steroid era.

If you want to play the "Yeah McGwire used" and the "Yeah Sosa used" cards, then why not use the Piazza used, Jeff Bagwell used, Edgardo Alfonzo used, Mike Hampton used, Len Dysktra used, Roger Clemens used, (fill in the blank) used cards.

I'm saying you better not hate on a person just because they confessed and keep a blind eye on those who are only the receipents of idle (and not so idle in McGwire's Clemens' and Sosa's case) speculation.

You shouldn't take every case differently just because you like the guy, hate the guy, like the team he played for, hate the team he played for.

Conversly the Yankee fans who are saying they respect Giambi as a person after this better feel the same way if an Manny Ramirez or Mike Piazza did the same thing.

Edgy DC
May 18 2007 07:21 PM

I take every case differently because every case is different.

The problem is not my love for the Mets, but yours for the Yankees. Ninth inning here.

SteveJRogers
May 18 2007 07:49 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
I take every case differently because every case is different.


Easy to say when the only Mets busted have been scrubs and minor leaguers, and no Mets have been clear cases (aside from Len Dysktra who did not go the gradual, less noticable route of say a Howard Johnson) of "Oh yeah he juiced, I mean look at his baseball cards, look at his stats, look at..."

Look I'm just saying don't hate on Giambi if you are not willing to hate on Piazza, or Hojo or whomever.

Edgy DC
May 18 2007 08:00 PM

First of all, I didn't "hate on" anybody.

Second of all, you have no idea what I'm willing to do.

Third of all, you were saying quite a bit more.

SteveJRogers
May 18 2007 08:02 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
First of all, I didn't "hate on" anybody.

Second of all, you have no idea what I'm willing to do.

Third of all, you were saying quite a bit more.


I'm talking in general terms, not Edgy In DC's terms.

Edgy DC
May 18 2007 08:23 PM

Stop circle jerking. You were quite specifically addressing actual posters. In Metsguy's case, explicitly calling him out by name. And you were "fingering" specific players.

Edgy DC
May 18 2007 08:23 PM

And for Pete Flynn's sake, Guillermo Mota isn't a scrub nor a minor leaguer.

SteveJRogers
May 20 2007 07:47 AM

[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/05/20/2007-05-20_lets_break_a_deal-2.html]Now we know why Giambi didn't utter the "s" word![/url]

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Let's break a deal
Yanks may look to jettison Jason
BY BILL MADDEN AND TERI THOMPSON
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITERS
Sunday, May 20th 2007, 4:00 AM

Jason Giambi's admission to USA Today that he once used steroids could lead to the Yankees taking another shot at voiding his contract.

According to baseball sources familiar with the situation who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter, the Yankees will revisit the possibility of terminating Giambi's deal if it is determined that he used illegal drugs after they signed him to a seven-year, $120 million contract in 2001.

The commissioner's office is investigating Giambi's comments to the newspaper and will summon him to a meeting to discuss them. What he says in that meeting - or doesn't say - may go a long way toward determining how the Yankees proceed.

Giambi was quoted in USA Today on Friday as saying that he "was wrong for doing that stuff," in reference to having used steroids, and said that "what we should have done a long time ago was stand up - players, owners, everybody - and said: 'We made a mistake.' We should have apologized back then and made sure we had a rule in place and gone forward. ... Steroids and all of that was a part of history. But it was a topic that everybody wanted to avoid. Nobody wanted to talk about it."

Giambi declined to talk further about his comments as the Mets played the Yankees in the Subway Series this weekend but commissioner Bud Selig and the Yankees are most certainly interested in hearing what Giambi has to say, if anything. He may decline to talk at all on the advice of counsel.

If the Yankees do proceed, it will be the second time they have considered such a move. The club looked into ending its relationship with the player in late 2004 after the San Francisco Chronicle reported that it had viewed transcripts in which Giambi told the grand jury investigating the BALCO steroid scandal in December 2003 that he had used steroids and human growth hormone before signing with the Yankees and while playing for them in 2002 and 2003.

Had the Yankees tried to void his deal then, they would have faced considerable legal hurdles from the Players Association, as they would now. According to sources familiar with his contract, the deal contains language saying it can be voided if he uses illegal substances while with the club. But to win that battle, the Yankees would have to get past provisions in the collective bargaining agreement that the Players Association maintains supersedes those in a player's contract.

Giambi had suffered a series of mysterious ailments during the 2004 season, including, as the Daily News first reported, a benign tumor on his pituitary gland. He missed 82 games, going from an MVP-caliber player to a .200-hitting part-timer. His grand jury testimony was then revealed in December, and the Yankees began considering ways to get out from under his deal. The first baseman/DH's salary is $21 million for this season and 2008, and the Yanks hold an $22 million option for 2009 with a $5 million buyout clause.

Giambi showed up at spring training in 2005 slimmed down and less powerful, but as he began to come around, the Yankees abandoned their attempts to get rid of him. After getting off to a horrendous start, he eventually was named AL Comeback Player of the Year, hitting .271 with 32 home runs.

Until his comments in USA Today, Giambi had never publicly admitted using steroids, although he made an unspecific apology at a press conference at Yankee Stadium after the Chronicle's report appeared. It was believed that the reason Giambi made no admission was that he wanted to avoid liability with his team and Major League Baseball.

smg58
May 20 2007 08:47 AM

It would only expose the phoniness of the league if Giambi's contract was voided now, which would validate the point that Giambi was trying to make while exposing his own phoniness. Or something like that.

As far as I'm concerned, everybody is to blame for this steroids mess. Even the clean players looked the other way, as did the league, the media, and the fans. I'm more concerned with what's being used in the league right now (that not nearly enough is being done about), than in focusing on what can't be undone. I certainly see no point in singling anybody out. I don't want to see Bonds break Aaron's record any more than anybody else does, but the likely fact that he was the best hitter to take steroids doesn't make him worse than the others. The list of players who juiced is likely to be very long, and is almost certain to include guys we rooted for and perhaps still like. But since nobody is innocent, nobody should be asked to give anything back.

Johnny Dickshot
May 20 2007 08:55 AM

what smg said. 100% agree.

Willets Point
May 20 2007 09:35 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote:
what smg said. 100% agree.


Ditto. Enough of witch hunts and speculation on who did what when. I would like to see what's being done now stopped and prevent performace enhancement drug use in the future.

metirish
May 23 2007 06:44 AM



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Exclusive

Giambi is unsafe at any speed

By T.J. QUINN
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Wednesday, May 23rd 2007, 2:15 AM

Jason Giambi failed an amphetamines test.

Jason Giambi failed an amphetamines test.
Jason Giambi failed a Major League Baseball-administered amphetamines test within the last year, which has subjected him to additional drug testing, sources told the Daily News. Giambi tacitly admitted last week that he has used steroids, but he failed to mention that he has been caught using other drugs.

Because Major League Baseball's amphetamines policy keeps a first positive test secret, however, it is unlikely Giambi will be asked about it when he meets with representatives from commissioner Bud Selig's office, possibly as soon as tomorrow on the Yankees' day off.

Giambi declined comment before last night's loss to the Red Sox, saying, "I can't really talk about anything."

Giambi's agent, Arn Tellem, said in an e-mail: "For the record, I'm not commenting."

But Giambi himself hinted at the failed test - which was later confirmed by the Daily News - in his eye-opening interview with USA Today last week, when he said that he is "probably tested more than anyone else."

Under MLB policy, there are two reasons a player would be required to submit to additional testing: The first is a failed steroid test, but failed steroid tests are made public. The second is a failed amphetamines test, which would not be made public.

An amphetamine is technically a specific kind of stimulant, but the term is used in anti-doping circles as a catch-all for any banned stimulants, including drugs that are illegal without a prescription, as well as some over-the-counter medications that are considered performance-enhancers.

The failed test is the latest in a series of embarrassing revelations for Giambi, who has had trouble keeping himself out of the news since he became a Yankee in 2001. In 2003 he was one of nine major league players to testify before a federal grand jury because of his connection to the BALCO steroid controversy.

In 2004 the Daily News reported that a mysterious ailment that had plagued Giambi was actually a tumor in his pituitary gland, and that he had not disclosed the information because his treatment included the use of corticosteroids, and he was worried about public backlash. (Corticosteroids, which break down tissue and reduce inflammation, are effectively the opposite of muscle-building anabolic steroids, but Giambi was worried that fans would not understand the difference.)

Later that year the San Francisco Chronicle reported portions of Giambi's testimony, prompting the Yankees to take a hard look at the struggling slugger's contract. At the time he was owed $82 million and had played only 80 games in the 2004 season. The Yankees considered voiding his contract under the belief that his steroid use had contributed to his inability to play. While attorneys believed the Yankees would have a tough time winning their case, several members of the front office, as well as some MLB officials, were willing to take their best shot.

Instead, the Yankees kept Giambi, and in February 2005 he apologized in a press conference, although he didn't say why he was apologizing. Teammates, led by captain Derek Jeter, made it clear during the 2005 season that he was still a welcome member of the team, in large part because of his apology.

Now, following Giambi's comments to USA Today, the team is again considering an effort to void his contract, although the Yankees are well aware of the significant legal hurdles they would have to overcome.

Because Giambi failed the test - one report estimated that more than 80 players might have last year - he is subject to six additional tests for one year from the time the positive is confirmed. The larger question is whether Yankee officials - who claimed not to have heard about the failed test - will try to use that information against Giambi as they consider terminating his contract.

Under baseball's amphetamines policy, which went into effect last season, a player who fails a test the first time is not punished, and the information is kept confidential, but he can be tested six additional times within the next year. After a second offense, the player is suspended for 25 games.

Giambi has never publicly failed a steroid test (results from anonymous "survey" testing in 2003 were never released), but when he testified before the federal BALCO grand jury in 2003, he admitted to extensive steroid use. That testimony was published a year later by the San Francisco Chronicle.

Last week he made his apology more explicit, telling USA Today: "I was wrong for doing that stuff. What we should have done a long time ago was stand up - players, ownership, everybody - and said: 'We made a mistake.' We should have apologized back then and made sure we had a rule in place and gone forward. ... Steroids and all of that was a part of history. But it was a topic that everybody wanted to avoid. Nobody wanted to talk about it."

It is entirely possible the Yankees were unaware of the recent test, as they claimed. Under baseball's policy, when a player tests positive for banned stimulants, only the four members of MLB's Health Policy Advisory Committee (HPAC) and the player himself are informed. The player may then tell whomever he likes. Under the rule, even commissioner Bud Selig and MLB Players Association executive director Don Fehr are not informed.

While players have said anecdotally that they believe amphetamine use is down, some have said players knew they had a "mulligan," knowing they could fail one test and receive no punishment.

The Daily News reported in January that Barry Bonds had failed an amphetamines test last season, and the San Diego Union-Tribune reported this month that figures from the World Anti-Doping Agency suggested that 80 or more players may have failed tests.

In previous years, WADA figures showed, the Montreal anti-doping lab that analyzes urine samples for MLB and other organizations reported an average of 20 positive tests for stimulants a year. Last year, with MLB testing for stimulants for the first time, the number swelled to 104.

With Mark Feinsand

Frayed Knot
May 23 2007 07:23 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 23 2007 07:24 AM

I smell another non-apology coming.






* Hey, my posts got the "Wright" stuff

Johnny Dickshot
May 23 2007 07:24 AM

what an asshole.

Kid Carsey
May 23 2007 07:34 AM


They're just diet pills

Edgy DC
May 23 2007 07:48 AM

The disappointing part is that, although there was no definitive evidence blahblah of his drug use before the Yankees dumped all that money on his lawn asking him to go to bed with them, there was plenty of evidence that he was an asshole.



Now, I'm not saying that the Mets haven't employed their share of assholes. Probably more than their share. I'm also not sure that he wasn't a fine young man who became an asshole as he blew himself up.



What I'm kinda saying is "How can the Yankees be surprised by the mess he's dragging them through?"

Johnny Dickshot
May 23 2007 07:58 AM

The Yankees are more full of shit than Giambi had they not known.

OF COURSE THEY KNEW

Lengthy article below, maybe too sympathetic to Giambi, but dead-on in the Yankees CYAing:
[url]http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_683[/url]

soupcan
May 23 2007 08:22 AM

I'm sorry, I don't mean to backtrack here but Steve Rogers says that there are rumblings and mumblings that Piazza, Ventura, Hampton, Hundley and HoJo all took steroids?

What the fuck? I've never heard that.

Am I an ignorant moron (rhetorical!) or is anybody else hearing this for the first time?

Kid Carsey
May 23 2007 08:29 AM

Piazza's a good candidate, it's certainly been whispered -- even here -- that
he seemed to lose a lot of weight/muscle in the final year or so.

Benjamin Grimm
May 23 2007 08:33 AM

soupcan wrote:
I'm sorry, I don't mean to backtrack here but Steve Rogers says that there are rumblings and mumblings that Piazza, Ventura, Hampton, Hundley and HoJo all took steroids?

What the fuck? I've never heard that.

Am I an ignorant moron (rhetorical!) or is anybody else hearing this for the first time?


Take anything from Steve with a grain of salt.

Hundley seems a pretty likely candidate, though. The others are all possibilities too, I guess, but I think Steve was reporting his own speculations.

If I were to place bets on Mets with steroids, I'd start with Dykstra and Hundley. (Actually, I'd start with Mota and Urdeneta, but I think the betting windows are closed for those two.)

soupcan
May 23 2007 08:40 AM

Well anybody is a 'possibility'.

Piazza? He was great when he was young, he got old and wore down. Where's the big head? Where are the advanced age career numbers? He lost weight? That's it? C'mon.

And why Hundley & Hampton? Because they had great years and then broke down? That's never happened to any player who never juiced?

I'll give you Dykstra but for any reason Steve has that he suspects the others I'm sure I could find players from the pre-steroid era whose career arcs are similar.

Johnny Dickshot
May 23 2007 08:42 AM

Everyone is a suspect, no sense in guessing who. Could be Joe McEwing for all we know

MFS62
May 23 2007 08:47 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote:
Everyone is a suspect, no sense in guessing who. Could be Joe McEwing for all we know

I'm going on record here to say that I don't think Bud Harrelson was ever on Steroids.

Later

silverdsl
May 23 2007 08:55 AM

I agree that any player, from any team, could possibly have used performance enhancers, especially when you throw amphetamines into the mix. Greenies were so commonly used at one time that it's possible that more players used them than didn't.

As for Giambi, it's astonishing how little sense he has. He should have made sure he stayed well away from anything that could get him into trouble. That said, I have a lot of questions about the Daily News article since they include nothing more to support that Giambi tested positive beyond what "sources" told them. To be clear, I'm not doubting the truth of what they're reporting, but without the sources or their information being put into context as to where it came from, it opens the door to a lot of questions, imo. Such as, how did their "sources" get this information considering a positive test results is supposedly kept so secret that only the committee and the player involved would know about it?

I also have to wonder what the agenda was of the "source(s)." Given the timing of this article just after Giambi critcized MLB, is MLB trying to prevent Giambi and other players from speaking publically about performance enhancers? Are the Yankees trying to make Giambi look bad in an effort to void his contract as rumored, or because they too want him to shut up? As someone elsewhere suggested is this information coming from Giambi himself so he can claim that the "stuff" he referred to in his earlier comments are amphetamines, not steroids? Or is it simply someone with information that they felt needed to be known publically? Again, not that this information isn't true, simply that I also think it matters who is doing the talking. When a source is this anonymous, they can say anything because they know that it's never going to be traced back to them.

metirish
May 23 2007 09:05 AM

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Such as, how did their "sources" get this information considering a positive test results is supposedly kept so secret that only the committee and the player involved would know about it?


Well it's investigative reporting ,isn't it?,and lets not be making excuses for Giambalco,he took all sorts of shit,read the link JD provided.

Benjamin Grimm
May 23 2007 09:06 AM

Wasn't Giambi himself the source? He said that he "gets tested more than anyone" and the only reason, according to the articles, for the additional scrutiny would be a prior positive test. Positive steroid tests are made public, positive amphetimine tests are not. Yes, the Daily News was reading between the lines but, at least in the article that I read (I wish I remember which one it was) the author explained how he came to that conclusion.

Kid Carsey
May 23 2007 09:09 AM

I don't see any harm in a little speculation about Piazza. His body changed
the way a number of "suspicious" players did when all this stuff started coming
out.

I'm not nearly as outraged as John Q. Public over the issue. It wasn't against
the rules and obviously it was rampant and obviously it ain't going away soon.

soupcan
May 23 2007 09:34 AM

Yeah, I'm getting less and less incensed at this issue as time goes by.

Barry Bonds use to really tighten my colon but I don't really care that much about him anymore.

I want steroids in baseball eradicated but the fact that theree were so many guys using that it, in effect leveled the playing field, sort of balances it all out.

Edgy DC
May 23 2007 09:42 AM

Steve was basically trying to paint us all as hypocrites because of our lack of interest in going after Mets.

I don't think he had the goods on anybody.

Willets Point
May 23 2007 09:51 AM

My suspicions are that performance-enhancing drugs -- whether they be 'roids, HGH, or amphetamines -- were (are?) used widely throughout baseball by many players on every team. This is why the whole witch hunt to single out offenders is ridiculous and I prefer an effort to eliminate use of performance-enhancing drugs now and in the future. The would be more productive imho than finding a few scapegoats to strip of records and awards.

Frayed Knot
May 23 2007 10:30 AM

Good piece by Joe Sheehan in today's [url=http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6261]Baseball Prospectus[/url]

Johnny Dickshot
May 23 2007 10:40 AM

Sheehan got it so right I think his pen is on steroids.

Rockin' Doc
May 23 2007 11:26 AM

Good article from Sheehan.

The number of PED users in the past is likely far too large to be worth investigating. MLB would be far better served by concentrating their energy and resources in preventing further use going forward. I have little doubt that many of the astronomical records (HRs, RBIs, etc.) that were established during the era in question were almost certainly inflated by the rampant use of PEDs. I don't think PEDs effected the relative performance levels of players within an era when compared to one another, but it most definitely elevated the numbers of the doping era when compared to the players of other eras.

metirish
May 23 2007 12:12 PM

Yeah decent article....

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MLB has the toughest PED policy in sports, and no longer has anything to be ashamed of in how it handles the issue. Rather than spending millions of dollars dredging up its mistakes, it should focus on the future, on keeping the game clean, on setting an example for both its peers in professional sports and baseball players of all ages. That’s leadership, and it’s something I think the game is more than capable of.


I know at times I forget just how far MLB has come in a few years as regards testing,they can do more and should.

metirish
Jun 07 2007 07:08 AM

Giambi is now being persecuted because he gave an interview?....un-fucking-real

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Players blast Bud on edict

Bombers go to bat for Giambi and 'free speech'

BY MARK FEINSAND and MICHAEL O'KEEFFE
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITERS



Bud Selig may or may not persuade Jason Giambi to cooperate with Sen. George Mitchell's investigation into steroid use. But Major League Baseball's commissioner did succeed in angering Giambi's teammates and rallying them around the beleaguered Yankee slugger.

Joe Torre and Yankee brass didn't have much to say about Selig's edict that Giambi cooperate with Mitchell's probe, but the players were furious before last night's game against the White Sox at Chicago's Comiskey Park.

"You're getting punished for doing an interview and talking," said reliever Mike Myers, a member of the Major League Baseball Players Association executive board. "If this is the precedent that's going to be set - that if you do an interview and talk out against Major League Baseball, we're going to slap you on the wrists and say 'Cooperate with Mitchell and if we don't like your answers, we're going to punish you even worse' - I think it's a joke."

Selig informed Giambi yesterday that his punishment for admitting steroid use in a recent interview with USA Today will depend on how cooperative he is with Mitchell and his investigators. Selig has been considering how to proceed since Giambi met with MLB officials two weeks ago to discuss his apparent admission to the newspaper that he had used steroids.

"I'm still trying to figure out what he's in trouble for," Johnny Damon said. "Freedom of speech?"

Technically, it's for using performance-enhancing drugs, even though baseball did not punish players for doping at the time Giambi has admitted to using steroids.

As the Daily News has reported, the Yankees have explored the possibility of voiding Giambi's contract because of the steroid admission. Yankee officials, through spokesman Howard Rubenstein, released a statement that said the team supports Selig and had no further comment.

"I just think Bud Selig is trying to find out as much as he can," Joe Torre said. "As far as I'm concerned, he tries to do the right thing. Hopefully everything works out all right. That's all I can say."

White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen, however, praised Giambi as an honest man.

"He's going to tell the truth," Guillen said. "He's going to say what's on his mind, whether it's good or bad."

Myers said if Selig punishes Giambi, it would have a chilling effect on big league locker rooms.

"What are you suspending him for?" said Myers. "That's the biggest question right now. What are you fining him for? Because he did an interview? Then players will stop doing interviews, and Selig doesn't want that. Baseball is at a point right now where between all the TV, the newspapers sold, all the baseball coverage out there right now, if you don't have quotes from players and stories about players, it takes away a lot of the coverage of baseball.

"He could be clamming up the entire locker room through baseball right now if this is what's it's going to come down to.

"Why would he cooperate?" Myers added. "There's no reason to."

With Eric Barrow
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metirish
Aug 16 2007 11:47 AM

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No punishment for Giambi


Jason Giambi will not be disciplined for his tacit admission to the use of performance-enhancing drugs in a May USA Today article, baseball commissioner Bud Selig announced Thursday.

Selig ordered Giambi, a designated hitter with the Yankees, to cooperate with Senator George Mitchell's steroid investigation, in the wake of his comments. Selig said at the time that any punishment would be determined based on Giambi's level of cooperation with Mitchell.

Selig said in a statement Thursday: "Jason was frank and candid with Senator Mitchell. That and his impressive charitable endeavors convinced me it was unnecessary to take further action."


Giambi's comments to USA Today included the following: "I was wrong for doing that stuff. What we should have done a long time ago was stand up – players, ownership, everybody – and said: 'We made a mistake.' We should have apologized back then and made sure we had a rule in place and gone forward. … Steroids and all of that was a part of history. But it was a topic that everybody wanted to avoid. Nobody wanted to talk about it."

Giambi has been on the disabled list for much of the season with a torn plantar fascia. He was activated last week, and is 5-for-14 with three RBIs since.

Selig's statement Thursday included an excerpt from a letter he wrote to Giambi regarding his commitment to off-field charitable activities. The causes include the Partnership for a Drug Free America, the Harlem RBI Program and the Major League Baseball Academy in Compton, Calif.

It was widely expected that Giambi would not be disciplined if he did cooperate with Mitchell.



Are Bonds charitable endeavors impressive?

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 16 2007 11:58 AM

He's never electrocuted anyone in his swimming pool.

That ought to count in his favor.