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Un-Fucking-Real...... (Split from NYC's Weaker Sisters)
metirish May 18 2007 07:04 AM |
Un-Fucking-Real......
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Edgy DC May 18 2007 07:11 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 18 2007 07:40 AM |
Too big to bury. I'm splitting.
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metirish May 18 2007 07:15 AM |
I should point out that Giambi never said the word steroids..calling it"that stuff"
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Benjamin Grimm May 18 2007 07:22 AM |
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For posterity:
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Rotblatt May 18 2007 08:47 AM |
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Really? Fascinating! Are we then to assume that he was using them because his balls were too big?
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Johnny Dickshot May 18 2007 09:00 AM |
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Were.
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metsguyinmichigan May 18 2007 03:12 PM |
So, does he give his stolen MVP back? Or does he shave tens of millions off his contract, since it was obtained based on roided numbers?
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SteveJRogers May 18 2007 03:47 PM |
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I get what you are saying, but do you want to give back the 2000 NL Championship banner back? Do you want Todd Hundley (and Pizza Boy) to give back their Catching HR SS record back to the late Roy Campanella?
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iramets May 18 2007 03:53 PM |
Yes, I do. Anything that wll humble these arrogant fux is fne with me. Next question?
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SteveJRogers May 18 2007 03:55 PM |
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I know you do, I was asking MetGuyInMichigan just to see if he is being honest or looking at things from a Yankee Hater or Met Fan perspective.
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metsguyinmichigan May 18 2007 04:02 PM |
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Hold on there. Giambi has confessed. Hundley hasn't been accused anywhere other than this list, and there's a HUGE difference. If Hundley came out and said, "Yes, I used them and MLB owes everyone an apology and they didn't help me hit home runs anyway," then yes, he should give it back. And be slapped silly. Plus, there is a world of difference between an MVP and a single-season home run record for a catcher.
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Benjamin Grimm May 18 2007 04:06 PM |
And Hundley had nothing to do with the 2000 Mets NL Championship.
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SteveJRogers May 18 2007 04:09 PM |
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I was fingering Piazza, Ventura, Hampton, Alfonzo, or anyonelse who may have suspicions and whispers considering their usage of performance enhancing substances.
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iramets May 18 2007 04:09 PM |
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I'm pretty sure Piazza was on that team, though.
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iramets May 18 2007 04:20 PM |
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That has an unwholesome ring to it.
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SteveJRogers May 18 2007 04:51 PM |
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I'm also saying this because you know Yankee fans are saying just the opposite, essentially good for Jason, ect. So if you were a Met fan, and Mike Piazza when he retires says "Yeah I took stuff, I'm sorry about it and I stopped because I wanted to have a family" are you going to say "Well, he stepped up and admitted it, I have more respect for the guy than an creep like "I'm not here to talk about the past" McGwire or Bonds, ect" or are you going to rip your Piazza31 jerseys to shreads and ask for the Mets to give the Giants the 2000 NL Championship (a case can be made that Bonds didn't start juicing untill after he made that last out in the 2000 NLDS, and McGwire is on the 2000 Cardinals, not the PS roster but he was there)
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metsguyinmichigan May 18 2007 05:45 PM |
That's a lot of ifs there.
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Edgy DC May 18 2007 06:50 PM |
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I'm not quite sure what you mean. But how can you not make a distinction between who has a confession hanging over him and a bunch of guys who have an idle accusation from yourself hanging over them?
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SteveJRogers May 18 2007 07:04 PM |
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Okay fine, then why are Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa lumped in with Giambi and Bonds in terms of recepients of visceral hate due to the steroid era. If you want to play the "Yeah McGwire used" and the "Yeah Sosa used" cards, then why not use the Piazza used, Jeff Bagwell used, Edgardo Alfonzo used, Mike Hampton used, Len Dysktra used, Roger Clemens used, (fill in the blank) used cards. I'm saying you better not hate on a person just because they confessed and keep a blind eye on those who are only the receipents of idle (and not so idle in McGwire's Clemens' and Sosa's case) speculation. You shouldn't take every case differently just because you like the guy, hate the guy, like the team he played for, hate the team he played for. Conversly the Yankee fans who are saying they respect Giambi as a person after this better feel the same way if an Manny Ramirez or Mike Piazza did the same thing.
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Edgy DC May 18 2007 07:21 PM |
I take every case differently because every case is different.
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SteveJRogers May 18 2007 07:49 PM |
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Easy to say when the only Mets busted have been scrubs and minor leaguers, and no Mets have been clear cases (aside from Len Dysktra who did not go the gradual, less noticable route of say a Howard Johnson) of "Oh yeah he juiced, I mean look at his baseball cards, look at his stats, look at..." Look I'm just saying don't hate on Giambi if you are not willing to hate on Piazza, or Hojo or whomever.
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Edgy DC May 18 2007 08:00 PM |
First of all, I didn't "hate on" anybody.
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SteveJRogers May 18 2007 08:02 PM |
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I'm talking in general terms, not Edgy In DC's terms.
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Edgy DC May 18 2007 08:23 PM |
Stop circle jerking. You were quite specifically addressing actual posters. In Metsguy's case, explicitly calling him out by name. And you were "fingering" specific players.
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Edgy DC May 18 2007 08:23 PM |
And for Pete Flynn's sake, Guillermo Mota isn't a scrub nor a minor leaguer.
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SteveJRogers May 20 2007 07:47 AM |
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[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/05/20/2007-05-20_lets_break_a_deal-2.html]Now we know why Giambi didn't utter the "s" word![/url]
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smg58 May 20 2007 08:47 AM |
It would only expose the phoniness of the league if Giambi's contract was voided now, which would validate the point that Giambi was trying to make while exposing his own phoniness. Or something like that.
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Johnny Dickshot May 20 2007 08:55 AM |
what smg said. 100% agree.
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Willets Point May 20 2007 09:35 AM |
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Ditto. Enough of witch hunts and speculation on who did what when. I would like to see what's being done now stopped and prevent performace enhancement drug use in the future.
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metirish May 23 2007 06:44 AM |
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Frayed Knot May 23 2007 07:23 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 23 2007 07:24 AM |
I smell another non-apology coming.
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Johnny Dickshot May 23 2007 07:24 AM |
what an asshole.
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Kid Carsey May 23 2007 07:34 AM |
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Edgy DC May 23 2007 07:48 AM |
The disappointing part is that, although there was no definitive evidence blahblah of his drug use before the Yankees dumped all that money on his lawn asking him to go to bed with them, there was plenty of evidence that he was an asshole.
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Johnny Dickshot May 23 2007 07:58 AM |
The Yankees are more full of shit than Giambi had they not known.
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soupcan May 23 2007 08:22 AM |
I'm sorry, I don't mean to backtrack here but Steve Rogers says that there are rumblings and mumblings that Piazza, Ventura, Hampton, Hundley and HoJo all took steroids?
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Kid Carsey May 23 2007 08:29 AM |
Piazza's a good candidate, it's certainly been whispered -- even here -- that
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Benjamin Grimm May 23 2007 08:33 AM |
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Take anything from Steve with a grain of salt. Hundley seems a pretty likely candidate, though. The others are all possibilities too, I guess, but I think Steve was reporting his own speculations. If I were to place bets on Mets with steroids, I'd start with Dykstra and Hundley. (Actually, I'd start with Mota and Urdeneta, but I think the betting windows are closed for those two.)
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soupcan May 23 2007 08:40 AM |
Well anybody is a 'possibility'.
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Johnny Dickshot May 23 2007 08:42 AM |
Everyone is a suspect, no sense in guessing who. Could be Joe McEwing for all we know
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MFS62 May 23 2007 08:47 AM |
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I'm going on record here to say that I don't think Bud Harrelson was ever on Steroids. Later
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silverdsl May 23 2007 08:55 AM |
I agree that any player, from any team, could possibly have used performance enhancers, especially when you throw amphetamines into the mix. Greenies were so commonly used at one time that it's possible that more players used them than didn't.
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metirish May 23 2007 09:05 AM |
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Well it's investigative reporting ,isn't it?,and lets not be making excuses for Giambalco,he took all sorts of shit,read the link JD provided.
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Benjamin Grimm May 23 2007 09:06 AM |
Wasn't Giambi himself the source? He said that he "gets tested more than anyone" and the only reason, according to the articles, for the additional scrutiny would be a prior positive test. Positive steroid tests are made public, positive amphetimine tests are not. Yes, the Daily News was reading between the lines but, at least in the article that I read (I wish I remember which one it was) the author explained how he came to that conclusion.
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Kid Carsey May 23 2007 09:09 AM |
I don't see any harm in a little speculation about Piazza. His body changed
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soupcan May 23 2007 09:34 AM |
Yeah, I'm getting less and less incensed at this issue as time goes by.
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Edgy DC May 23 2007 09:42 AM |
Steve was basically trying to paint us all as hypocrites because of our lack of interest in going after Mets.
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Willets Point May 23 2007 09:51 AM |
My suspicions are that performance-enhancing drugs -- whether they be 'roids, HGH, or amphetamines -- were (are?) used widely throughout baseball by many players on every team. This is why the whole witch hunt to single out offenders is ridiculous and I prefer an effort to eliminate use of performance-enhancing drugs now and in the future. The would be more productive imho than finding a few scapegoats to strip of records and awards.
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Frayed Knot May 23 2007 10:30 AM |
Good piece by Joe Sheehan in today's [url=http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6261]Baseball Prospectus[/url]
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Johnny Dickshot May 23 2007 10:40 AM |
Sheehan got it so right I think his pen is on steroids.
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Rockin' Doc May 23 2007 11:26 AM |
Good article from Sheehan.
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metirish May 23 2007 12:12 PM |
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Yeah decent article....
I know at times I forget just how far MLB has come in a few years as regards testing,they can do more and should.
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metirish Jun 07 2007 07:08 AM |
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Giambi is now being persecuted because he gave an interview?....un-fucking-real
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metirish Aug 16 2007 11:47 AM |
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Are Bonds charitable endeavors impressive?
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Benjamin Grimm Aug 16 2007 11:58 AM |
He's never electrocuted anyone in his swimming pool.
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