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IGT 05/29, Barry to Shea (sorta)

Kid Carsey May 29 2007 04:40 PM

Word on the street is that he's afraid to face Perez (and the media whom he left hanging this afternoon) SF: T. Lincecum (2-0, 3.08) NYM: O. Perez (6-3, 2.54)

Edgy DC May 29 2007 04:56 PM

Nothing gets Kid Carsey un-burned out on baseball faster than Barry coming to Shea.

Kid Carsey May 29 2007 04:57 PM

Winn cf Frandsen 2b Aurilia 1b Molina c Feliz 3b Ortmeier lf Vizquel ss Lewis rf Lincecum p Reyes ss Chavez lf Beltran cf Delgado 1b Wright 3b Lo Duca c Easley 2b Gomez rf Perez p

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 05:09 PM

Eek.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 05:13 PM

In what universe is Rich Aurilia a number-three hitter?

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 05:15 PM

Those fly-ball outs are flying too far.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 05:25 PM

Lincecum has the audacity to be good. If we can get some guys on, maybe we can run on this guy.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 05:29 PM

Gary Cohen: "If Ozzie Smith's in the Hall of Fame, Omar Vizquel's in the Hall of Fame." Edgy DC: "I don't necessarily agree."

Willets Point May 29 2007 05:30 PM

I hope this isn't one of those "Mets make the rookie pitcher look like Cy Young" games.

Kid Carsey May 29 2007 05:43 PM

Nah, he's the real deal. Close to 100 mph on a few and looks dynamite.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 05:47 PM

This rookie pitcher looked pretty Youngerific before the Mets hosted him. You see those minor-league numbers?

Edgy DC May 29 2007 05:49 PM

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Tim%2520Lincecum&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453311

Willets Point May 29 2007 05:53 PM

I'm not liking the way this game is going so far.

Willets Point May 29 2007 05:57 PM

An F'in Molina down on strikes.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 06:04 PM

Perfect game interrupted.

Willets Point May 29 2007 06:07 PM

Much better.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 06:07 PM

Welcome to Rip City, Sucka.

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 06:07 PM

Gone Daddy Gone. My optimisometer on Delgado cautiously rises.

Rockin' Doc May 29 2007 06:10 PM

Delgado's shot was crushed. With the crack of the bat, I looked at the wife at told her , "Tie ballgame." It was just a matter of how far that sucker was going to go,

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 06:15 PM

Ollie's got the funk. The good kind of funk.

bmfc1 May 29 2007 06:21 PM

I'm sure the Mets will be refunding the difference between "Gold" and "Silver" ticket pricing since Bonds isn't playing.

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 06:26 PM

Watching Perez hit is almost as entertaining as watching him pitch, though for entirely different reasons. Lincecum's got poise.

Kid Carsey May 29 2007 06:28 PM

Caveat emptor, not that I'd pay a premium to see him again. I wish he'd retire.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 06:35 PM

How about Perez settling in there?

Rockin' Doc May 29 2007 06:36 PM

This game is cruising right along. The Mets have only one hit, but it was a big one from Delgado. Going to the bottom of the sixth it's still tied at 2.

Rockin' Doc May 29 2007 06:38 PM

Nice start to the inning with a lead off single from Reyes. Run, Reyes, Run!!

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 06:38 PM

I like Chavez trying to bunt for a hit there. Didn't work, but it was worth a shot.

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 06:40 PM

I really like that play they called for. The one where Beltran hits an RBI double into the corner

Willets Point May 29 2007 06:42 PM

Rockin' Doc May 29 2007 06:43 PM

Wright can likely chase Lincecom with a hit here. Or not. Come on, it's up to you Paulie.

seawolf17 May 29 2007 06:45 PM

Sure, Tim Lincecum. you've pitched in the big leagues before. But this is Shea Stadium, bitch.

bmfc1 May 29 2007 06:50 PM

It's wonderful to have the Mets on ESPN because that means HD, but it also means the dopey ramblings of Rick Sutcliffe, the incoherency of Dusty Baker, and the inane stories of the otherwise lovely Erin Andrews. Plus, as with every "out of town" broadcast, it means the same story lines: Reyes is fast; Wright is popular; the Mets have a good lineup; Franco is old.

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 06:52 PM

Wow, didn't think that was gone coming off the bat.

Rockin' Doc May 29 2007 06:52 PM

The ball is just flying out of Shea tonight. Damnit.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 06:53 PM

Leaving Perez in to cough up the lead in the seventh? Come on, Willie, that's Heilman's job!

Willets Point May 29 2007 06:53 PM

Oh, Ollie....

bmfc1 May 29 2007 06:54 PM

Come on Oliver, get this guy.

seawolf17 May 29 2007 07:00 PM

And an appearance from Fatheaded Steve Trachsel means Ollie's done for the night.

Johnny Dickshot May 29 2007 07:04 PM

You knew they'd live to regret not getting Beltran in from 2nd with 1 out.

Rockin' Doc May 29 2007 07:13 PM

Meanwhile in Milwaukee, the Brewers plate two runs in the bottom of the third inning to tie the Braves at three. They have the bases loaded with 2 outs against Smoltz and are looking to take the lead. Unfortunately, the pitcher Ben Sheets is up and Smoltz quickly strikes him out on three pitches to end the inning and preserve the tie.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 07:23 PM

One more post by Rockin' and I can stop confusing him with Dickshot.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 07:29 PM

Way to go, Wagner. Get him a win, Delgado.

Rockin' Doc May 29 2007 07:31 PM

Let's make Billy the Kid a winner in the bottom of the ninth. I keep getting myself confused with JD.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 07:33 PM

For fifty Dickshot posts, you're all alone.

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 07:34 PM

Lots of ugly looking Right Fielding today.

Rockin' Doc May 29 2007 07:35 PM

Wright went into his home run trot a little too early.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 07:36 PM

Do it again, Damion.

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 07:39 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 29 2007 07:40 PM

C'mon Franco. Let's make a story you can tell your grandkids 40 or so years months from now.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 07:40 PM

I don't blame Lewis there. He did a good job getting back. Your team, your time, Julio.

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 07:41 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 29 2007 07:41 PM

="Edgy DC"]Gary Cohen: "If Ozzie Smith's in the Hall of Fame, Omar Vizquel's in the Hall of Fame." Edgy DC: "I don't necessarily agree." Omar Vizquel: "Suck it."

Johnny Dickshot May 29 2007 07:41 PM

That play was hotter than Pearly that one time at band camp.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 07:43 PM

Omar's got my vote. Frandsen's got my vote also and I don't even know who he was. What a play.

Rockin' Doc May 29 2007 07:43 PM

Somehow, when Willie sends our primary pinch hitter up with the game on the line and he's hitting under .200, it just doesn't inspire much confidence.

Rockin' Doc May 29 2007 07:47 PM

I don't think Schoeneweis wanted any part of parts. Can't say I blame him. I didn't like that much up at all.

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 07:49 PM

Uh oheneweis.

Rockin' Doc May 29 2007 07:50 PM

I like that one, OO. Sad, but true.

Johnny Dickshot May 29 2007 07:51 PM

Schoeneweis just isn't getting it done

Edgy DC May 29 2007 07:52 PM

I've watched Aurelia tonight, and he seems to start too early to compensate for a slower bat. Heilman should be able to handle him unless he guesses change at the right time.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 07:54 PM

I'll take it. Now Johnson gets his licks.

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 07:55 PM

If my memory serves, Russ Ortiz is a Benson Buncher. Give 'em hell, Ben.

Rockin' Doc May 29 2007 08:03 PM

Whew, I thought they had Reyes with that second pickoff attempt. The ball easily beat Reyes, but the tag was slow getting down.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 08:05 PM

Reyes seemed to have the jump a few times in that at-bat.

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 08:10 PM

Loaded with 2-outs for Wright. Time to drop the dramabomb.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 08:11 PM

Before Carlos got hit, I was thinking that, if I'm running the Giants, I'd be tempted to play four outfielders.

Frayed Knot May 29 2007 08:11 PM

Time to remind Ortiz that he just ain't no good

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 08:13 PM

Hit it hard. Tough cookie.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 08:13 PM

Reyes + Gotay = Little League.

Frayed Knot May 29 2007 08:18 PM

Wright taketh away and gets taketh awayeth frometh ... or sumthin like that.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 08:20 PM

Aaron's buzz is working for me.

Frayed Knot May 29 2007 08:25 PM

That was closer to a called strike than it was to a swinging strike!! No way did he go around.

Batty31 May 29 2007 08:32 PM

I missed some of this game...who is left on the bench now? I thought they said Castro was the only position player left.

Frayed Knot May 29 2007 08:37 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 29 2007 08:37 PM

Yes, just Castro at this point. Gotay, Johnson, Franco & Newhan have been used. Smith, Burgos & Sele left in the pen ... and here comes Smith

Edgy DC May 29 2007 08:37 PM

Yup. Castro. Burgos, Sele, and Smith in the pen, plus whoever missed his start yesterday.

Nymr83 May 29 2007 08:37 PM

Glavine could make a PH appearence pretty easily in this one...

Edgy DC May 29 2007 08:39 PM

Hopefully he'll do it easily.

Batty31 May 29 2007 08:39 PM

Thanks Frayed and Edgward for the updates.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 08:40 PM

That wasn't ball four.

Batty31 May 29 2007 08:43 PM

Someone needs to calm Smith down!!!

Edgy DC May 29 2007 08:43 PM

Now I might try five infielders.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 08:45 PM

Time to remind Smith that he just ain't bad.

Batty31 May 29 2007 08:45 PM

From the one angle he looked out

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 08:45 PM

Craphammer.

Frayed Knot May 29 2007 08:47 PM

Right choice by Delgado IMO to get the out first and then go home As Maxwell Smart would say ...

Edgy DC May 29 2007 08:48 PM

Yeah, I'm gonna disagree. Stopping the runner from third is all that matters. I'd sooner have him go for the 3-6-3.

Rockin' Doc May 29 2007 08:49 PM

I know he didn't have time to think about it, but had Delgado thrown to second, instead of trying to get Viquel at home, the Mets may have been able to turn the double play there

Batty31 May 29 2007 08:50 PM

It's Benitez time!!!!

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 08:51 PM

Inconsistent strike zone.

DocTee May 29 2007 08:51 PM

Had Delgado gone for the out at second, Vizquel still would have scored before the foinal out (at second) had been recorded.

Nymr83 May 29 2007 08:52 PM

wow, walking reyes as the tying run?

DocTee May 29 2007 08:52 PM

Let's see if Armando still remembers how to lose games at Shea.

Frayed Knot May 29 2007 08:52 PM

Gotta run here ... and let Endy swing!

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 08:53 PM

No free outs. If you're going to bunt, bunt to get on base.

Rockin' Doc May 29 2007 08:53 PM

I'd let Jose steal if he felt good about it. I hate to give up an out.

Nymr83 May 29 2007 08:53 PM

balk!

Edgy DC May 29 2007 08:53 PM

DocTee wrote: Had Delgado gone for the out at second, Vizquel still would have scored before the foinal out (at second) had been recorded. The foinal out on a 3-6-3 would be the relay back to foist, and both outs would have been forceouts, disallowing the run.

Rockin' Doc May 29 2007 08:53 PM

Balk!!!

Batty31 May 29 2007 08:53 PM

YES!!! BALK!!!

Nymr83 May 29 2007 08:54 PM

do you bunt him to 3rd? i would. he scores from 3rd on almost anything

Johnny Dickshot May 29 2007 08:54 PM

Balk, what crap. Poor Mando.

Nymr83 May 29 2007 08:55 PM

good bunt, reyes on 3rd 1 out, come on beltran!

Frayed Knot May 29 2007 08:55 PM

I especially don't like the bunt there off of someone who hasn't found the plate yet. Just pull the damn ball and maybe you get a hit by accident.

Johnny Dickshot May 29 2007 08:56 PM

Ugh.

Nymr83 May 29 2007 08:56 PM

shit. beltran grounds to 2nd and reyes cant come home.

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 08:56 PM

If Beltran doesn't fly out here, that bunt looks idiotic. There's the non-fly out. Argh.

Nymr83 May 29 2007 08:57 PM

BALK!! ITS TIED!!

Johnny Dickshot May 29 2007 08:57 PM

Oh for Christ sakes.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 08:57 PM

Nymr83 wrote: do you bunt him to 3rd? i would. he scores from 3rd on almost anything almost...

Batty31 May 29 2007 08:57 PM

ANOTHER BALK! REYES SCORES!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Edgy DC May 29 2007 08:57 PM

WOW.

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 08:57 PM

Wow. Sucks to be 'Mando.

Frayed Knot May 29 2007 08:58 PM

As they say in Russia: HOLY SHITSKI

Rockin' Doc May 29 2007 08:59 PM

I wouldn't have pitched to Beltran in that situation. I would have wlked him and gone for the DP with Delgado. Benitez cracks under pressure and balks in Reyes to tie the game.

Nymr83 May 29 2007 08:59 PM

GOODBYE! HOMERUN DELGADO! BENITEZ STILL SUCKS AND I LOVE IT!

Johnny Dickshot May 29 2007 08:59 PM

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 09:00 PM

I can't imagine shitskiing to be a pleasant experience. HOLY ASS ASS! Carlos II is officially back, and better than ever!

Edgy DC May 29 2007 09:00 PM

WEE.

Batty31 May 29 2007 09:00 PM

YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DELGADO goes KABOOM!!! METS WIN METS WIN METS WIN!!!!! Does anyone remember a few weeks ago when I said that once Delgado gets going, he'll be on fire???

Frayed Knot May 29 2007 09:00 PM

THE MONSTER IS OUT OF THE CAGE !!!!

dinosaur jesus May 29 2007 09:01 PM

An instant classic. We've had some memorable games this year, haven't we?

Rockin' Doc May 29 2007 09:01 PM

Armando melts down under pressure. That's never happened before. Oh yeah. This one's for you Carlos.

Johnny Dickshot May 29 2007 09:02 PM

What a stupid finish!

OlerudOwned May 29 2007 09:02 PM

Molina's trapped in a plastic mask of emotion.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 09:02 PM

I'll take your woid for it. We love Carlos!

Rockin' Doc May 29 2007 09:04 PM

Batty 31 - "Does anyone remember a few weeks ago when I said that once Delgado gets going, he'll be on fire???" I do. I remember you telling me exactly that in a thread about two weeks ago.

DocTee May 29 2007 09:04 PM

Honestly, I feel sorry for Armando. After the game, Fox Sports Bay Area went right to the A's telecast, where Glenn Kuiper "welcomed those who were watching the Giants-Mets game." Ray Fosse: "last time I looked they were winning 4-3...what happened?" Kuiper: "Benitez." That's rough. .

Batty31 May 29 2007 09:06 PM

Thank you, Rockin' Doc!! I'm glad someone remembered. :) Edgy..must you post that pic? 'rolls eyes'

Rockin' Doc May 29 2007 09:07 PM

As Delgado is walking to the plate: Rockin' Doc - "I wouldn't have pitched to Beltran in that situation. I would have wlked him and gone for the DP with Delgado." Shows how little I know. Dumb ass.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 09:08 PM

Fosse was a good catcher, but neither of those guys approached the player that Benitez has been.

DocTee May 29 2007 09:11 PM

I didn't even know Glenn Kuiper was a player. His brother Duane does Giants telecasts with Ralph Kiner's favorite Pole, Mike Krukow

Frayed Knot May 29 2007 09:22 PM

I still haven't seen either balk.

Edgy DC May 29 2007 09:37 PM

DocTee wrote: I didn't even know Glenn Kuiper was a player. His brother Duane does Giants telecasts with Ralph Kiner's favorite Pole, Mike Krukow Oh, that's not Duane you're referring to. Then Armando's had a better career than either of them or their brothers.

metirish May 29 2007 10:06 PM

Great game to watch,but that umpire sucks elephants(no balk) balls,I really don't like an umpire helping to decide a game like that,would he make those calls in the WS?...maybe he would.

Spacemans Bong May 29 2007 11:33 PM

I live in SF (I'm actually from here), and Giants fans have become intimately familiar with that sense of impending doom when Benitez comes on the mound in the 9th that Met fans know oh so well. He's certainly become every bit as hated here as he was at Shea.

Gwreck May 29 2007 11:36 PM

I too felt a little bad for Armando. Partly because he gets a worse rap than he deserves (and that could be an entire thread by itself) and partly because it distinctly felt like the fans were rooting specifically for him to fail rather than for the Mets to win. (Now, I know in some sense that sounds stupid -- because he'd have to fail in most cases for us to win -- but still...) That being said, I predicted the Delgado homer as soon as the second balk call was made. Only surpise was that it took longer in the AB to happen than I thought. Can't believe I'm the first in this thread to invoke the name of Steve Bieser (which was, IIRC, the last time the Mets tied a game on a balk). Lost in the shuffle: Perez setting down 14 Giants in a row after the second homer. Delgado went over and had a talk with him that seemed to settle Perez down. Strategy decisions that I don't like: Pinch hitting for Gomez. Not a huge defensive loss with Johnson out there but I don't think Franco was a great improvement. Bunting with Chavez once Reyes had reached second on the first balk. Misc: Every Met did the Oliver Perez-style leap over the foul line as they ran onto the field for the 1st inning.

A Boy Named Seo May 30 2007 01:27 AM

Great IGT. Nice to see my baby doll Squinty make an appearance. Just finished it on the Tivo. Was thinking Marsh called a decent game until Wagner came on and he squeezed him a bit, but was really happy he had the stones to call balls or strikes on the check swings on his own until that Lo Duca one. That was terrible. Lincecum's wind-up reminded me a little of Hideo Nomo the way he twisted so much to his right that his back was completely turned to home before he unwound and fired. He was bad-ass, though. As advertised. Speaking of advertising, SNY had the superimposed computer ads behind home plate tonight, I guess to accommodate ESPN's green screen for their computer ads. That's always been an annoyance of mine for some reason, but SNY did it better than ESPN has and way better than FOX does it and they've had years of practice. I'm not even sure I would've noticed if not for the green screen. Weird ending, but a win is a win is a win, I guess.

Edgy DC May 30 2007 07:23 AM

Perez was the hidden hero maybe. I hear you on the pinch-hitting call, but Franco sure did his job. That was an amazing stop and exchange to save the game there. The Mets in fact, came so tantalizingly close to walking off three times before they finally did --- Wright's almost homer, Franco's drive up the middle stopped by Vizquel, and Wright's hard lineout that went right to the outfielder.

soupcan May 30 2007 07:34 AM

I also thought it was a crappy way for the Mets to win and 'Mando to lose. I read this morning that Benitez agreed with the second balk call but not the first. But if neither were called no one would've argued anyway. That rule needs to have a more generally accepted interperatation I think. I genuinely felt bad for the guy. I also agree that Benitez has gotten quite the bad rap over the years and point to CF's classic defenses of 'Mando that were posted mostly on the MoFo during the 'Benitez Wars'. CF made a very convincing argument on Armando's behalf. Watched the game last night in HD for the first time. The fact that it was on ESPN HD and SNY HD gave me a chance to flip back and forth to compare the two pictures. I didn't think there was a difference in HD quality from one HD channel to the next but wow was there ever. ESPN's was so far superior to SNY's. Mostly apparent from the centerfield camera shot. I tried watching the game on ESPN but the graphics all over the screen combined with Sutcliffe and whoever the hell those other two rednecks in the booth were, made it border on impossible. I watched most of it on SNY even with the lesser quality resolution. Anyone else ever experience different levels of HD? Is that a usual thing?

Edgy DC May 30 2007 07:38 AM

It was quite a treat that I was able to get the MLB.tv webcast on an ESPN night. I don't know how the balk rule can be improved upon. It's a judgment call and it's a judgment that nobody is watching for except those guys trained to watch for it. Either you have it or you don't.

soupcan May 30 2007 07:48 AM

Edgy DC wrote: I don't know how the balk rule can be improved upon. It's a judgment call and it's a judgment that nobody is watching for except those guys trained to watch for it. Either you have it or you don't. You're right, no one is watching for it when it happens except those trained to, but if no one can even see it on the super slo-mo replay then it really opens itself up to valid questions.

metirish May 30 2007 09:46 AM

Bob Davidson on the balk calls... ] “During the first balk, Benítez was looking in for a sign and started,” Davidson said. “His whole body went forward, and he stopped. It looked like he didn’t like the sign and stopped. In the last balk, he got startled by Reyes off third base and kind of shook his whole body. In extra innings you can’t be ticky-tacky, and in my mind they are both definites.” the second balk was called by Hunter Wendelstedt(3rd base)

Benjamin Grimm May 30 2007 09:48 AM

I went to bed after the 11th inning and watched the 12th this morning on TiVo-delay. Nice way to start the day! I've never even tried to understand the balk rule, so I have no opinion about whether it was a good call or not. (It did look like Delgado noticed it just as the umpire did, though.) You know an umpire is conscientious, however, when he calls a balk that ties a game in the 12th inning of a night game. You'd think he'd be tempted to overlook it so that he could get out of there and get back to the hotel. I found Armando to be one of the most frustrating Mets closers ever, but I did feel bad for him this morning. When he was walking off the field after Delgado's homer, he looked so sad. I don't think I've ever seen that expression on him. The ESPN coverage of Barry Bonds was just so annoying. They must have HATED that he was sitting this one out. All those shots of him in the dugout. All those clips of home runs by him (and by Hank Aaron). It was just too much. After the game ended I kept the TV on as SportsCenter got underway, and someone mentioned Barry's "dramatic" pinch-hitting appearance. ESPN seems so out of touch on this. Bonds passing Aaron just isn't the same as Aaron passing Ruth. I just don't think that that many people care a whole lot. PLUS, most of the people who do care are probably rooting against him, not for him.

Willets Point May 30 2007 11:33 AM

I was super-tired last night & fell asleep in my easy chair. I woke up during the excitement in the ninth inning, but when the game went into extra innings I went to bed. Too bad I didn't have more adrenaline.

seawolf17 May 30 2007 11:47 AM

"Hang on. I know a guy."

Zvon May 31 2007 02:03 PM

DocTee wrote: Let's see if Armando still remembers how to lose games at Shea. LMAO>^ I had to read this thread just to bask in the glory you guys must have been feeling. And its all here. :) What a game this was.