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Frayed Knot May 27 2007 07:58 AM

Jose Reyes has recently made it an even 30 Mets who have lasted long enough in the blue & orange (and occasionally black) to amass 2,000 NYM ABs. To date, among those 30, his career "walk rate" of .040 (the diff between his OBP and BA) is lower than all except for Doug Flynn's .030 - although I guess we can take solace in the fact that it's improving all the time now. Which Met, among the other 28, has the highest rate? (and it's not particularly close)

iramets May 27 2007 09:04 AM

Straw?

DocTee May 27 2007 09:23 AM

John Olerud?

Elster88 May 27 2007 10:46 AM

Olerud probably didn't get enough AB's. Keef?

Edgy DC May 27 2007 10:51 AM

Mazzilli.

Frayed Knot May 27 2007 10:53 AM

Straw = 3rd (.096) Keith (probably would have been my guess) is tied for 6th with Buddy Harrelson at .090 Olerud's 3 seasons were not enough to get him 2K ABs

Edgy DC May 27 2007 10:56 AM

Welp, I wa' wrong.

Frayed Knot May 27 2007 10:59 AM

Mazzilli is 5th at .093 * Now starting, Game 3 of the 1969 World Series: Gary Gentry

Edgy DC May 27 2007 11:03 AM

I'm out. I looked up my second guess, and he seems untoppable.

iramets May 27 2007 11:24 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: Straw = 3rd (.096) Keith (probably would have been my guess) is tied for 6th with Buddy Harrelson at .090 Olerud's 3 seasons were not enough to get him 2K ABs I haven't looked up my second guess (well, my third, Keith being my second) so I'll go with HoJo. He had a consistent lousy BA, and he walked a lot.

Frayed Knot May 27 2007 11:26 AM

I should have mentioned HoJo before since he is tied with Keith & Buddy Think away ... will be back tonight

Edgy DC May 27 2007 11:43 AM

I thought ira would be the one to get it.

iramets May 27 2007 11:56 AM

Edgy DC wrote: I thought ira would be the one to get it. Really? Hmmm...does he share a number with John Maine?

Frayed Knot May 27 2007 04:14 PM

Edgy DC wrote: I thought ira would be the one to get it. So did I. And not that I expect anyone to guess the whole list, I'll just put this up here and fill it in until we get the right answer. 1 ---- .111 2 ---- .099 3 Strawberry .096 4 ---- .094 5 Mazzilli .093 6T Hernandez .090 6T Harrelson .090 6T HoJo .090 9 ---- .083 10T ---- .082 10T ---- .083 12T ---- .077 12T ---- .077 14 ---- .075 15T ---- .070 15T ---- .070 17 ---- .068 18 ---- .067 19 ---- .065 20 ---- .062 21T ---- .059 21T ---- .059 23T ---- .055 23T ---- .055 25 ---- .051 26 ---- .048 27 ---- .045 28 ---- .042 29 Reyes .040 30 Flynn .030

seawolf17 May 27 2007 04:58 PM

Piazza?

DocTee May 27 2007 05:56 PM

Ed Kranepool.

Edgy DC May 27 2007 06:07 PM

Yup. 'Twas my second guy. Damn. I would've been big had I guessed right the first time. Big, I tell ya.

Rockin' Doc May 27 2007 06:08 PM

I'll take a shot at it. Disregarding the players that have already been guessed, I'll go with Edgardo Alfonzo as my first choice. My second guess would be Rusty Staub.

Frayed Knot May 27 2007 07:32 PM

1 ---- .111 2 ---- .099 3 Strawberry .096 4 ---- .094 5 Mazzilli .093 6T Hernandez .090 6T Harrelson .090 6T HoJo .090 9 ---- .083 10T Staub .082 10T .082 12T Piazza .077 12T ---- .077 14 Alfonzo .075 15T ---- .070 15T ---- .070 17 ---- .068 18 ---- .067 19 ---- .065 20 ---- .062 21T ---- .059 21T ---- .059 23T Kranepool .055 23T ---- .055 25 ---- .051 26 ---- .048 27 ---- .045 28 ---- .042 29 Reyes .040 30 Flynn .030

Willets Point May 27 2007 08:29 PM

Dave Magadan.

TheOldMole May 27 2007 08:57 PM

Kevin McReynolds.

Rockin' Doc May 27 2007 09:40 PM

I've been giving this a lot of thought this evening. I have a feeling that the player we're searching for didn't hit for a very good average. I wouldn't be surpised if we're looking for a player with a career batting average in the .240-.260 range. That being said, I think Willets' guess of Dave Magadan is a good choice. Though he hit for a pretty high average (which goes against my theory) he was a pretty patient hitter that didn't chase many bad pitches. He didn't have much power, but he always seemed to be on base.

Johnny Dickshot May 27 2007 09:49 PM

I got Mags too but doubt he got 2K ABs.

SI Metman May 27 2007 11:24 PM

I'm guessing Kong could be it. He had a low average, and I'm sure he got walked now and then because of the power threat.

Frayed Knot May 28 2007 05:55 AM

Good choice with Magadan who just barely got his 2K NYM ABs ... but he came up just short. ]. I have a feeling that the player we're searching for didn't hit for a very good average. I wouldn't be surpised if we're looking for a player with a career batting average in the .240-.260 range. Or even lower . 1 ---- .111 2 Magadan .099 3 Strawberry .096 4 ---- .094 5 Mazzilli .093 6T Hernandez .090 6T Harrelson .090 6T HoJo .090 9 ---- .083 10T Staub .082 10T ---- .082 12T Piazza .077 12T ---- .077 14 Alfonzo .075 15T ---- .070 15T ---- .070 17 Kingman .068 18 ---- .067 19 ---- .065 20 ---- .062 21T McReynolds .059 21T ---- .059 23T Kranepool .055 23T ---- .055 25 ---- .051 26 ---- .048 27 ---- .045 28 ---- .042 29 Reyes .040 30 Flynn .030

iramets May 28 2007 06:02 AM

Oh. Now I get Edgy's thrust. (I think he had a BA below .240)

Rockin' Doc May 28 2007 07:51 AM

The more I thought about it, it just made sense we were looking for a pretty weak stick that had a good eye and was patient at the plate. Great, so now all we need to do is think of a poor hitter that garnered at least 2000 at bats for the Mets. Rey Ordonez would certainly qualify on the low average and ample playing time, but he was so pathetic offensively that he didn't even draw walks with much regularity. Another weak hitting shortstop would be Rafael Santana, but I doubt he was with the Mets long enough to compile the required 2000 at bats. Ooh, ooh, I think I have a good shot at it. How about Ron Hodges? He was with the Mets for an eternity and he never did hit for much of an average.

Edgy DC May 28 2007 08:02 AM

Hodges is a good guess, as he would be second on that list with .102, but he didn't garner 2,000 at-bats. He didn't even reach 1,500. But you did well, clearly recalling the words from "Wouldn't It Be Nice?" It's nice when you're a catching lefthand batter And you have a decent OBP

Rockin' Doc May 28 2007 08:33 AM

Wow, Ron Hodges was a Met for more than 10 years and he still didn't garner 1,500 at bats? That's an awful lot of splinters he collected over the years.

dinosaur jesus May 28 2007 08:43 AM

Wayne Garrett!

Frayed Knot May 28 2007 09:18 AM

Garrett it is!! Not just a less-than obvious name but also it was the size of the margin that struck me as I was looking at this stuff!! All of which leads to the thought - spoke here at least once by one of ira's past identities (which is why I thought he'd be the one to guess it) - that in a more Sabermetric age Garrett would have been a more appreciated player. Plus, if you were to stick 'Red' into not only a more Sabermetric age but also a more weight-lifting and "nutrition" aware age he could have been a real monster since his main drawback was that he finishes 21st out of that group of 30 in "Isolated Slugging" avg (diff between BA & Slg). Ahh, what could have been! 1 WAYNE GARRETT .111 2 Magadan .099 3 Strawberry .096 4 Milner .094 5 Mazzilli .093 6T Hernandez .090 6T Harrelson .090 6T HoJo .090 9 Hundley .083 10T Staub .082 10T Stearns .082 12T Piazza .077 12T Swoboda .077 14 Alfonzo .075 15T Backman .070 15T Carter .070 17 Kingman .068 18 Agee .067 19 Grote .065 20 Boswell .062 21T McReynolds .059 21T C. Jones .059 23T Kranepool .055 23T Foster .055 25 Brooks .051 26 Millan .048 27 Ordonez .045 28 Mookie .042 29 Reyes .040 30 Flynn .030

Frayed Knot May 28 2007 02:12 PM

By the way, here's the same cast of characters sorted by their Isolated Power numbers (the gap between Slg Avg and BA) Garrett is down there with Mags & Hubie slumming near the catchers and middle infielders 1 Strawberry .257 2 Piazza .246 3 Kingman .234 4 Ho Jo .208 5 Hundley .198 6 Hernandez .192 7 McReynolds .188 8 Foster .170 9 Milner .170 10 Carter .163 11 Agee .157 12 Alfonzo .153 13T Swoboda .145 13T Reyes .145 15 Staub .143 16 Mazzilli .132 17 C. Jones .125 18 Mookie .118 19 Stearns .116 20 Kranepool .116 21 Garrett .106 22 Brooks .105 23 Magadan .094 24 Boswell .093 25 Grote .073 26 Backman .061 27T Millan .059 27T Ordonez .059 29 Flynn .058 30 Harrelson .053

Willets Point May 28 2007 05:26 PM

I'm surprised Bonilla never reached 2000 ab's.

Edgy DC May 28 2007 08:33 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 29 2007 06:17 AM

I'm surprised Mookie and HoJo have foresworn their last names.

Johnny Dickshot May 28 2007 09:23 PM

]Plus, if you were to stick 'Red' into not only a more Sabermetric age but also a more weight-lifting and "nutrition" aware age he could have been a real monster since his main drawback was that he finishes 21st out of that group of 30 in "Isolated Slugging" avg (diff between BA & Slg). FWIW, one memorist at UMDB suggests that lifting weights might have been an issue with garrett even back in his playing days. That is, Seaver wasn't fond of Garrett because Garrett was a warning track guy who wasn;t interested in becoming more than that.