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Edgy DC May 30 2007 02:21 PM

Mets fire Joe Frazier. Mets appoint Joe Torre.

Willets Point May 30 2007 02:25 PM

Thus Frazier went into training for a rematch against Ali.

sharpie May 30 2007 02:30 PM

Frazier also had time to go see that new Star Wars movie.

metirish May 30 2007 02:31 PM

Got the quick hook did Frazier....

Kid Carsey May 30 2007 02:38 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 30 2007 02:40 PM

And as was often the case with the bumbling Mets, they got Torre before he went to genius school. Wasn't Torre a player/coach before being hired as manager or am I mixing memories up?

Edgy DC May 30 2007 02:39 PM

Torre went from player to player/manager without stepping in as coach. He played (mostly off the bench) for two months or so, but retired as a player before the end of the year.

Johnny Dickshot May 30 2007 02:56 PM

All the poison in the org had completely overwhelmed Frazier. He wasn't big enough to stand between Grant & the Seaver/Kingman malcontent axis. I don't think he wanted to. He was kind of like Art Howe getting run over by the Wilpons on one side and the Piazza/Zambrano controversies on the other. Hiring a veteran teammate of those unhappy players was an attempt to calm the waters and stifle discontent, I think. But they axed their asses anyway and left Torre with almost nobody to manage for the rest of the way.

Benjamin Grimm May 30 2007 03:08 PM

"Joe" is still the only name to be had by more than one Mets manager.

SteveJRogers May 30 2007 03:13 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Torre went from player to player/manager without stepping in as coach. He played (mostly off the bench) for two months or so, but retired as a player before the end of the year. The official transaction was a waiver to give him his unconditional release on June 18th. Heh, I wonder what would have happened if someone thought they'd could use an over-the-hill corner infielder for some PH/DH duty and tried to contact him since technically he wasn't "retired"

Edgy DC May 30 2007 08:41 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: All the poison in the org had completely overwhelmed Frazier. He wasn't big enough to stand between Grant & the Seaver/Kingman malcontent axis. I don't think he wanted to. He was kind of like Art Howe getting run over by the Wilpons on one side and the Piazza/Zambrano controversies on the other. Hiring a veteran teammate of those unhappy players was an attempt to calm the waters and stifle discontent, I think. But they axed their asses anyway and left Torre with almost nobody to manage for the rest of the way. Good view. The sad difference being that this was Frazier's first and last shot. I guess he, Johnson, and Valentin are the three Met managers promoted from AAA. The other two worked out.

Edgy DC May 30 2007 08:57 PM

Know what makes me sad about Frazier? He was so doomed from the start that he was the only manager --- excepting interims Parker, McMillan, and Howard --- who didn't take the manager's perogative to wear a number outside of the coach's purgatory of the fifties. He was like an interim in spirit if not in name. Randolph 12 Howe 18 Valentine 2 Green 46 Torborg 10 Cubbage 4 Harrelson 3 Johnson 5 Howard 55 Bamberger 31 Torre 9 Frazier 55 McMillan 51 Berra 8 Hodges 14 Parker 54 Westrum 9 Stengel 37