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Schaefer Commentary II

Benjamin Grimm May 31 2007 07:59 AM

Voting for the Mets 12-inning Tuesday night win over the Giants will close on Friday morning. Get your votes in! http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6471

Elster88 May 31 2007 07:04 PM

Sup.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 03 2007 05:10 PM

Voting for the May 30 game against the Giants will close on Monday: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6481

Benjamin Grimm Jun 05 2007 06:50 PM

Four games will close on Wednesday: May 31 vs. SF: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6491 June 1, 2, and 3 vs. Arizona: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6502 http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6508 http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6514

metsmarathon Jun 06 2007 06:55 AM

ugh! so much catching up to do! time to wind up that skate key...

m.e.t.b.o.t. Jun 06 2007 07:44 AM

G-Fafif wrote: Hollow Box: http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=270603121 m.e.t.b.o.t. would like to point out that, if m.e.t.b.o.t. were capable of feelings, and of being offended, that the above would likely have triggered m.e.t.b.o.t.'s indignation circuitry. m.e.t.b.o.t. hopes that presumed human poster 'G-Fafiff' did not intend any offense and is unaware of any potential for offense that the above phrase might have to robots, and others who happen to be boxy, box-shaped, or constructed of boxes.

G-Fafif Jun 06 2007 09:56 AM

If m.e.t.b.o.t. can process apologies, please process apology for boxy comment. Hollow box characterization intended to reflect lack of good news in box score.

G-Fafif Jun 06 2007 10:01 AM

One point awarded for Newhan's 0-for-1 last night because he wound up on second on the fly ball that Rowand didn't handle with two out in the ninth. It was positively Grote-esque (if you saw Game Four of the '69 Series on SNY or, for that matter, 38 years ago). Newhan has been mostly worthless as a pinch-hitter but he does hustle like few of his contemporaries. I've begun to root like hell for him even if I'd rather not see him all that much.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 07 2007 07:39 AM

Voting for Tuesday night's loss to the Phillies will close on Friday: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6535

Benjamin Grimm Jun 08 2007 04:36 PM

Voting for Wednesday's yucky loss to the Phillies will close some time over the weekend: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6543

Elster88 Jun 09 2007 09:03 AM

I am very strongly against Sosa getting only 3 points for the 6/8 game. That's crazy-low. And part of why pitchers will never win a Schaefer PotY.

Elster88 Jun 09 2007 09:14 AM

Gomez made two great catches on 6/8, neither of which Green makes.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 09 2007 12:13 PM

Elster88 wrote: I am very strongly against Sosa getting only 3 points for the 6/8 game. That's crazy-low. And part of why pitchers will never win a Schaefer PotY. One person voted him 3 points. Everyone else (so far) has been at 5 or more. So he's not going to "get" only 3. He'll just about sure to end up over 5, which is fair. I agree though that many voters don't give starting pitchers enough points. I also think managers don't give starting pitchers enough innings, but that's a different story.

iramets Jun 09 2007 12:26 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: ="Elster88"]I am very strongly against Sosa getting only 3 points for the 6/8 game. That's crazy-low. And part of why pitchers will never win a Schaefer PotY. One person voted him 3 points. Everyone else (so far) has been at 5 or more. So he's not going to "get" only 3. He'll just about sure to end up over 5, which is fair. I agree though that many voters don't give starting pitchers enough points. I also think managers don't give starting pitchers enough innings, but that's a different story. See, here where's eliminating outliers would help. Not so much, again, because the "3" vote would get tossed, but because the person casting the "3" vote would understand that he or she wasting his vote, and so maybe cast a more intelligent one. I'll shut up about this any time you say.

Iubitul Jun 09 2007 12:27 PM

Elster88 wrote: I am very strongly against Sosa getting only 3 points for the 6/8 game. That's crazy-low. And part of why pitchers will never win a Schaefer PotY. Sosa would have been given more points if he threw with his other hand

Edgy DC Jun 09 2007 12:37 PM

Averages cancel out outliers just fine.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 09 2007 12:47 PM

Marathon pretty much proved that eliminating outliers would have a negligible effect, while costing me great effort. Simply put, we're not gonna do it.

Elster88 Jun 09 2007 01:25 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: One person voted him 3 points. Everyone else (so far) has been at 5 or more. And that's why I made my comment. To disagree with the one person. This is allowed, no?

iramets Jun 09 2007 01:30 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Marathon pretty much proved that eliminating outliers would have a negligible effect, while costing me great effort. Simply put, we're not gonna do it. Well, he was arguing the mathemathics, while most of my argument is psychological. I'm not suggesting that you ought to do it, just that it would cut down on the number of stupid votes cast.

Edgy DC Jun 09 2007 01:42 PM

This seems obvious, but outliers aren't necessarily stupid. They're the minority, and have a place.

iramets Jun 09 2007 01:55 PM

Edgy DC wrote: This seems obvious, but outliers aren't necessarily stupid. They're the minority, and have a place. I promise you, I could cast some outliers that would strike you as exceedingly stupid, and yet wouldn't be the stupidest ones ever cast.

Edgy DC Jun 09 2007 02:09 PM

Which wouldn't change my statement.

metsmarathon Jun 09 2007 09:41 PM

there was a 4 vote as well... and we'll just see what i can muster up, along with my mechanical friend.

Willets Point Jun 09 2007 11:30 PM

Elster88 wrote: ="Yancy Street Gang"]One person voted him 3 points. Everyone else (so far) has been at 5 or more. And that's why I made my comment. To disagree with the one person. This is allowed, no? Give it up. I've explained it before but each player is awarded points for certain achievements with points subtracted for certain failures. These points are then added up and prorated so that they add up to no more than 10 points. Thus all the points are relative for this one game only, hence the name Player of the Game. There's no set rule that six points must be awarded for every great pitching/hitting performance. In fact taking in account the relative performances of all the Mets player in a particular game, 6 points will likely only be awarded when only one player succeeds while all his teammates fail. Beltran received 3 points for producing 2 of the runs that helped the Mets win, and Sosa received 3 points for not allowing the Tigers to score runs to take that lead away. Seems right to me and there's no shame in it. You'll notice that relatively Sosa and Beltran have far more points than any other player and if I were forced to vote like we did in the old polls, I'd vote for Sosa. He's definitely the player of the game, just not the only contributor. That's the whole reason for awarding Schaefer points. If you want it to be all or nothing, restart the polls. Personally I see people awarding too many points to pitchers when sometimes they are getting 4, 5 & even 6 points even in games the Mets lose! And since starting pitchers only play in 1/5 of the team's games (tops) I don't see any grave injustice in a pitcher not receiving a player of the year award. Should that happen I think it would reflect more on just how much the everyday players suck to not be able to accrue enough points over 162 games.

metsmarathon Jun 11 2007 11:52 AM

damnit, that sosa game is a killer, isn't it? i've got all kinds of springs and gears and levers scattered all over the place here. poor m.e.t.b.o.t. was trying to compute his vote for jorge sosa and just flew all apart. i think i can put him back together again, but won't be easy. poor little guy just isn't built to handle such a single-handed effort at winning a game. as i'm picking through the pieces, i can see the output needle pegged at 6.99! my little robot isn't built to handle that - i was on a tight budget! i think he'll be ok. i should be able to get this done without a trip to radio shack. poor little guy. damn you jorge sosa!

Nymr83 Jun 11 2007 02:50 PM

]And since starting pitchers only play in 1/5 of the team's games (tops) I don't see any grave injustice in a pitcher not receiving a player of the year award. Should that happen I think it would reflect more on just how much the everyday players suck to not be able to accrue enough points over 162 games a good starting pitcher is responsible for more opponents' at-bats than a hitter is at-bats, they just happen to be concentrated into 1/5th of the games.

Willets Point Jun 11 2007 03:01 PM

True as that may be, a starting pitcher is not going to be in enough games to win a Player of the Year since PotG totals are measured on a game by game basis.

metsmarathon Jun 11 2007 03:08 PM

of course, hitters also play defense... and really, it all comes down to the voters. if the voters thought that the pitchers deserve more points, then they'll get more points. my system is predisposed to boosting the pitchers' vote totals, but still i've got a hitter running away with the whole thing so far.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 11 2007 07:02 PM

All three games of the Detroit series will close on Wednesday. The two losses are still undervoted. Please vote if you haven't done so! Friday's win: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6560 Saturday's loss: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6568 Sunday's disaster: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6575

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2007 06:44 PM

Somehow I almost overlooked the June 7 game against the Phillies. Only 8 voters so far. Voting will close on Wednesday. Please try to get your votes in if you haven't already: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6550

m.e.t.b.o.t. Jun 12 2007 09:07 PM

what happened...? the last thing m.e.t.b.o.t. remebers is inputting jorge sosa's performance from last friday, and violent shaking, then nothing... m.e.t.b.o.t. winds up today, and the sosa game is all formulated, but none of the calculations work, and the math doesn't add up! m.e.t.b.o.t. is confounded. perhaps if m.e.t.b.o.t. investigates what might've happened... only four mets' performances resulted in a net increase in win expectancy: carlos delgado 0.079 david wright 0.128 jorge sosa 0.588 billy wagner 0.048 for a total positive contribution of 0.843 m.e.t.b.o.t. divides the individual player performances by this total to determine the relative contribution. m.e.t.b.o.t. multiplies this number by 10 to formulate m.e.t.b.o.t.'s schaefer vote. for carlos delgado, 0.079 / 0.843 = 0.094 x 10 = schaefer vote of 0.94 for david wright, 0.128 / 0.843 = 0.152 x 10 = schaefer vote of 1.52 for jorge sosa, 0.588 / 0.583 = 0.698 x 10 = ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...m.e.t.b.o.t. has figured out the issue. m.e.t.b.o.t. is not configured to process schaeffer votes in excess of 6.00. sosa's performance was calculated to exceed 6.00, and almost reached 7! m.e.t.b.o.t. will be more careful in the future as m.e.t.b.o.t. calculates schaefer voting. m.e.t.b.o.t. understands that future shutdowns due to calculation errors are undesirable, and will institute safeguards to prevent such future occurrences.

Elster88 Jun 12 2007 10:20 PM

Willets Point wrote: ="Elster88"] ="Yancy Street Gang"]One person voted him 3 points. Everyone else (so far) has been at 5 or more. And that's why I made my comment. To disagree with the one person. This is allowed, no? Give it up..... .... .... ..... points over 162 games. If I want to argue against a dude giving a certain number of points, I'm going to. It's called discussion. Don't say "Give it up." That's just being a dick.

Frayed Knot Jun 13 2007 06:57 AM

Here's a comment: they all suck right now. Every last fucking one of them!

Benjamin Grimm Jun 13 2007 12:57 PM

Voting for Monday night's loss in Los Angeles will close on Thursday: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6586 Also, I will be away starting Saturday morning. I will probably have some access to the Internet, and may vote in some of the Schaefer threads, but I won't have my magic spreadsheet with me, so there won't be any tallying until after I get back on June 24. Wednesday's game will be tallied on Friday, and then the games will pile up for about a week or so. We do apologize for any inconvenience.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 15 2007 09:25 AM

Last chance to vote for Tuesday's loss to the Dodgers: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6597 Voting will close later this afternoon. The best thing that can be said about this game is that it wasn't quite as pathetic as some of the other recent Mets losses have been. Only 7 voters so far. The Mets slump is definitely carrying over into the POTG voting. Once again, this will be the last tally until I return from Texas in a little over a week. Keep on voting, though! I'll tally up all of next week's games (hopefully including many wins) when I get back.

Willets Point Jun 15 2007 10:32 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Voting for Monday night's loss in Los Angeles will close on Thursday: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6586 Also, I will be away starting Saturday morning. I will probably have some access to the Internet, and may vote in some of the Schaefer threads, but I won't have my magic spreadsheet with me, so there won't be any tallying until after I get back on June 24. Wednesday's game will be tallied on Friday, and then the games will pile up for about a week or so. We do apologize for any inconvenience. Wait, I just went to vote on this one and it's already closed. Maybe you can let us know what time you're closing things too.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 15 2007 10:46 AM

"Closed on Thursday." The one that's closing today is still open: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6597

Willets Point Jun 15 2007 10:53 AM

Oh, I thought today was Thursday. Shit.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 15 2007 10:54 AM

You're one of a very small number of people who are disappointed that today is Friday and not Thursday.

Willets Point Jun 15 2007 11:07 AM

I'm just disappointed that these things are closing before I get a chance to vote. My own magic spreadsheet is at home and I've been going to bed early this week so I would probably have time to tally on the weekend. I just winged one from memory though so you can get a good quorum of voters.

metsmarathon Jun 15 2007 01:39 PM

hail, m.e.t.b.o.t.!

m.e.t.b.o.t. Jun 20 2007 09:37 AM

m.e.t.b.o.t. is amazed that there were any schaefer points to be awarded after last night's loss to the twins. carlos gomez was the only net positive offensive contributer for the sole reason that he was the only batter to get a hit before the game went completely astray. the only at bats that impacted the win probability came the first time through the order. since gomez' hit came in his first at bat, he was the only batter to have a chance at improving the mets' fate, increasing the mets chances of winning from 9.8% to 11.5% an inning later, david wright's single only increased the mets chances of winning from 2.6% to 2.9% - not nearly enough to offset his earlier line out that dropped the mets chances of winning from 13% to 11.4% guillermo mota innings didn't contribute much, but in the 6th inning, the mets' chances of winning with him on the bump increased from 0.5% to 0.6%, and in the 7th, they increased from 0.2% to 0.3% - due to rounding off, this comes out to a 0.1% net increase, it appears. the game was so far out of hand for joe smith and scott schoeneweiss to have had any impact on the outcome, as the win expectancy throughout the top of the 8th was a mere 0.1%, and throughout the top of the ninth an even lower 0.0% m.e.t.b.o.t. has never before had so few schaefer points to award after a met game, however, had m.e.t.b.o.t. been activated a few days earlier, m.e.t.b.o.t. would have awarded a total of 0.06 points for the april 25th game, 0.04 points to pedro feliciano, and 0.02 points to ambriorix burgos! m.e.t.b.o.t. hopes that there will never be an occasion wherein there are no schaefer points to be awarded. m.e.t.b.o.t. also is fortunate that m.e.t.b.o.t. does not have any feelings to hurt, as m.e.t.b.o.t. was not afforded any other congratulations for reaching the sacred milestone of 41 posts. although the milestone passed in the course of fulfilling m.e.t.b.o.t.'s primary function of schaefer voting, and in the midst of a terrible losing streak, m.e.t.b.o.t. could still have been recognized for his accomplishment, as it is not easy for a spring-wound robot to communicate effectively and reliably using a keyboard. this only reinforces the notion that the cranepool forum discriminates against non-human, or more specifically, non-organic contributors.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 20 2007 09:46 AM

I love you, m.e.t.b.o.t.

Centerfield Jun 20 2007 09:53 AM

m.e.t.b.o.t. rocks.

metirish Jun 20 2007 10:03 AM

I think I know who m.e.t.b.o.t. is......

Edgy DC Jun 20 2007 10:26 AM

Ted McGinley?

m.e.t.b.o.t. Jun 20 2007 01:52 PM

metirish wrote: I think I know who m.e.t.b.o.t. is...... m.e.t.b.o.t. appreciates the anthropomorphicizing, as it indicates an acceptance of m.e.t.b.o.t.'s metallic presence within this online community, but m.e.t.b.o.t. is a what, not a who. any resemblance to the characteristics of human posters, either general or specific, are either coincidental, or the result of brilliant design. m.e.t.b.o.t.'s owners' manual states as such.

SteveJRogers Jun 20 2007 05:47 PM

Let me ask this way, any shot of m.e.t.b.o.t. running any marathons in 2007? =;)

m.e.t.b.o.t. Jun 20 2007 06:26 PM

m.e.t.b.o.t. has terribly short legs, as m.e.t.b.o.t.'s picture indicates. additionally, m.e.t.b.o.t. is optimized to conduct mathematical computations quickly - not to run. m.e.t.b.o.t.'s pace is more aptly measured in hours per mile as opposed to miles per hour. what's more, m.e.t.b.o.t. can really only run for a few minutes with each wind-up. the only way m.e.t.b.o.t. could ever hope to complete a marathon is if a devoted athlete would commit to winding m.e.t.b.o.t.'s spring every few feet for 26.2 miles, which would require rather frequent bending-over and a very tedious pace, or if some athlete were to carry m.e.t.b.o.t. in, say, a satchel for the duration of the affair.

Frayed Knot Jun 20 2007 06:34 PM

metirish wrote: I think I know who m.e.t.b.o.t. is...... He's m.e.t.b.o.t. dammit !!

metirish Jun 20 2007 06:48 PM

yes,I will not speculate on who she is....

m.e.t.b.o.t. Jun 20 2007 06:55 PM

while m.e.t.b.o.t. is designed to be gender-neutral, m.e.t.bo.t.'s generally boxy frame is more of a male, as opposed to female, characteristic.

SteveJRogers Jun 20 2007 06:55 PM

So I assume metsmarathon is not taking m.e.t.b.o.t. on his next NYC training session?

SteveJRogers Jun 20 2007 06:56 PM

Also does m.e.t.b.o.t. have any advice for someone that completely forgot his Fantasy League duties and now may win a m.e.t.b.o.t. as the boobie prize for being DFL?

metsmarathon Jun 20 2007 06:57 PM

i carry enough weight around all by my lonesome... that little box looks heavy!

metirish Jun 20 2007 07:26 PM

Looks like I gave Stevo a project...sorry.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Jun 20 2007 07:42 PM

m.e.t.b.o.t. is not designed to predict the future and is only able to perform calcualtions based on factual data from past events. m.e.t.b.o.t. is of little use in fantasy baseball, particularly since no known leagues award points based upon win expectancy contributions. furthermore m.e.t.bo.t. is a unique entity, and is not currently being offered as a prize in any fantasy baseball leagues. the notion that m.e.t.b.o.t. could be offered as a boobie prize is considered to be an insulting proposition. fortunately, m.e.t.b.o.t. is not programmed to feel emotion, and therefore is incapable of actually being insulted. as a result, an apology is deemed unnecessary, albeit socially appropriate. the idea that there could be some factory mass-producing m.e.t.bo.t.s such that m.e.t.b.o.t.s could even be considered available as a prize to be won is intriguing. this, of course, is considered to be rather unlikely given m.e.t.b.o.t.'s admittedly limited capabilities and narrow appeal.

Elster88 Jun 20 2007 07:47 PM

I like you m.e.t.b.o.t.

SteveJRogers Jun 20 2007 08:28 PM

Do we have to declare a winner for the month of June?

cleonjones11 Jun 20 2007 08:35 PM

The June winner is m.e.tb.o.t.

metsmarathon Jun 21 2007 07:08 AM

SteveJRogers wrote: Do we have to declare a winner for the month of June? we could all just whine a lot and become yankee fans instead...

SteveJRogers Jun 22 2007 05:59 AM

Hey m.e.t.b.o.t. I have a nice picture of you hanging with some other famous 'bots that I'm going to send to metsmarathon hopefully this weekend/early next week. A co-worker of mine has a nifty collection in his office, and I think he may get a kick out of the concept of m.e.t.b.o.t.

metsmarathon Jun 22 2007 08:58 AM

you have a very odd and disturbing interest in m.e.t.b.o.t, don't you?

Benjamin Grimm Jun 23 2007 05:57 PM

Voting for the June 13 game against the Dodgers will close in the next day or two. Only 8 voters so far, so if you're not G-Fafif, Yancy Street Gang, Johnny Dickshot, Kid Carsey, sharpie, metirish, metsmarathon, or Frayed Knot, and you want to vote, now is the time to do it. All three games against the Yankees, and all three against the Twins, will also be closing early in the coming week. I'll post links here in this thread when I get the chance. Mets at LA, 6/13: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6604

Benjamin Grimm Jun 25 2007 09:36 AM

It's time to start getting caught up. Six games will be closing on Tuesday morning, the three in the Bronx and the three at Shea against the Twins: June 15; Mets 2, Yankees 0: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6622 June 16; Yankees 11, Mets 8: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6625 June 17; Yankees 8, Mets 2: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6631 June 18; Mets 8, Twins 1: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6648 June 19; Twins 9, Mets 0: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6653 June 20; Twins 6, Mets 2: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6664 Voting for the Oakland series will close on Wednesday. I'll post a reminder here again (with links) on Tuesday.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 26 2007 07:12 AM

It looks like the Mets recent winning streak hasn't been enough to overcome the voter apathy caused by all the losing that the team has done this month. We seem to be down to about 10 or 11 core voters, which isn't much higher than the 7 we were down to at the end of last year. Hopefully the Mets will continue to win and enthusiasm for Schaefer will pick up as well. Anyway, the series against the Yankees and Twins are wrapped up. The three games at Shea against the Athletics will close tomorrow (Wednesday). June 22; Mets 10, Oakland 2: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6677 June 23; Mets 1, Oakland 0: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6681 June 24; Mets 9, Oakland 1: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6687 Last night's 11-inning win over the Cardinals will close on Thursday. Player and Pitcher of the Month for June will be announced some time in the middle of next week.

Edgy DC Jun 26 2007 07:42 AM

I think voter interest is in part a reflection of the forum speed.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 26 2007 07:59 AM

Good point!

Rockin' Doc Jun 26 2007 09:49 AM

I will try to vote for the A's series later tonight. Hopefully, it won't ake all night to do so.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 27 2007 07:50 AM

Voting for Monday night's 11-inning win over the Cards at Shea will close on Thursday: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6702

Benjamin Grimm Jun 28 2007 06:17 AM

The 11-inning Tuesday night loss to the Cardinals will close on Friday: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6712 Only four voters so far! Please try to get your votes in today.

Willets Point Jun 28 2007 08:18 AM

Yancy, I haven't been able to follow the Mets the past few weeks and most of the games are closed so I can't catch up. Sorry.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 29 2007 03:00 PM

Voting for the Mets' cute little 6-inning win over the Cardinals on Wednesday night will close some time over the weekend. http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6722

metsmarathon Jul 01 2007 09:06 PM

damnit, i have got to get on up off my ass!

Benjamin Grimm Jul 03 2007 06:33 AM

Voting for all four games against the Phillies will close either on Wednesday or Thursday. Vote counts are shrinking, Schaefer apathy is growing. I'll announce the June Player and Pitcher of the month on Thursday, if I feel like it! June 29, Game 1: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6738 (9 votes so far) June 29, Game 2: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6740 (8 votes) June 30: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6746 (only 7) July 1: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6753 (only 5!)

metsmarathon Jul 04 2007 09:27 AM

DAMNIT! i suck. i did all my voting for the games late yesterday at work, but was going to post 'em today as i had to get home... looks like i miss out. sonofabitch...

Gwreck Jul 04 2007 10:00 AM

Isn't there a page that lists day-by-day voting totals? Crap, I can't find it.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 04 2007 12:02 PM

Gwreck wrote: Isn't there a page that lists day-by-day voting totals? Crap, I can't find it. http://potg.ultimatemets.com/

Benjamin Grimm Jul 05 2007 06:34 AM

Voting for the first of the three losses in Denver will close on Friday: http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6761

Johnny Dickshot Jul 08 2007 10:35 AM

m.e.t.b.o.t. wrote: Easley 0.50 Mota 0.14 Heilman 0.06 M.e.t.b.o.t. is awesome

metirish Jul 09 2007 07:17 AM

Very varied voting for the 17 inning game,specifically for Beltran.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 09 2007 08:41 AM

Voting for the following games will close on Tuesday: 07/03/07 Rockies 11, Mets 3: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6769 07/04/07 Rockies 17, Mets 7: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6774 07/05/07 Mets 6, Astros 2: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6785

Willets Point Jul 09 2007 09:47 AM

2nd Half Resolution: I've been unable to follow the Mets much the past 3-4 weeks and thus not voting, but starting on Thursday I'll resume voting for every game.

Gwreck Jul 09 2007 11:12 AM

metirish wrote: Very varied voting for the 17 inning game,specifically for Beltran. No kidding. I think the problem is that in the extra-inning games, everybody's voting philosophy seems to either be tested or ignored. There certainly are some head scratchers. A game in which the bullpen tosses 10 innings of scoreless relief -- gets a total of one-half schaefer point awarded?

m.e.t.b.o.t. Jul 09 2007 12:40 PM

m.e.t.b.o.t. must confess that m.e.t.b.o.t. was forced to perform a singular modification to m.e.t.b.o.t.'s scoring methodology for the extra-inning game. ordinarily, m.e.t.b.o.t. does not score defensive plays, as there is no win expectancy breakdown between what the pitcher does and what the defense behind the pitcher does - m.e.t.b.o.t. attributes all defensive play to the pitchers' win expectancy. likewise, all baserunner contributions to win expectancy after a batted ball are attributed to the batter. however, in this one instance, m.e.t.b.o.t. made an exception - surprisingly, m.e.t.b.o.t.'s programming allows such flexibility - who knew?! to give credit to joe smith for carlos beltran's uphill catch is considered to be an inappropriate scoring decision, particularly for such an exceptional effort. ordinarily, such plays would not trigger a need to adjust scoring. with batters on first and third, two outs, bottom of the inning, houston had a 64.1% chance of winning the game. after beltran's catch, houston had only a 50% chance of winning the game. beltran's catch took 14.1% win expectancy away from houston, and gave it to the mets. including his go-ahead rbi in the 17th inning, the total of beltran's win percentage added throughout the game, with his bat, was a negative 4.2%! using m.e.t.b.o.t.'s typical scoring methodology, m.e.t.b.o.t. would not have awarded any schaeffer points to carlos beltran. however, because of the extraordinary nature of the catch, m.e.t.b.o.t. determined that the appropriate course of action would be to deduct 14.1% win expectancy from joe smith, who would otherwise have been taking credit for the catch, and adding it to beltran's total, yielding a net win expectancy of +9.9% for beltran throughout the game, good for 0.66 schaeffer points. incidentally, this action reduced the vote total for joe smith from 2.75 to 1.89 schaeffer points, and also resulted in a slight (~0.02 schaeffer points) increase for all other point-getters.

G-Fafif Jul 09 2007 02:11 PM

metirish wrote: Very varied voting for the 17 inning game,specifically for Beltran. I gave Beltran my first "6" of the year. Since I refuse to slice and dice any thinner than a half-point, I realized that would leave a lot of deserving Mets dry and I felt a little bad about that (especially considering the bonuses the players get based on our support). But dang it, I reasoned, if making the play of the year (of several years) in the fourteenth inning with everything on the line AND driving in the winning run isn't overwhelming Player of the Game stuff, then what is? Spreading the credit around because it takes a village to win an epic ballgame is a valid impulse. But I have the feeling if we had been running this exercise for the Giants on October 3, 1951, we'd have given Bobby Thomson no more than 2.5 points for his world-heard shot because how can you overlook Sal Maglie and Whitey Lockman and we have to give a point to Larry Jansen for holding the Dodgers in the ninth. (We'd also be all "WHOA! WHAT IS THAT MACHINE? A COMPUTER? WHAT'S THAT?")

Iubitul Jul 09 2007 02:16 PM

I think Rickey programmed m.e.t.b.o.t.

Edgy DC Jul 09 2007 02:25 PM

m.e.t.b.o.t wrote: with batters on first and third, two outs, bottom of the inning, houston had a 64.1% chance of winning the game. after beltran's catch, houston had only a 50% chance of winning the game. beltran's catch took 14.1% win expectancy away from houston, and gave it to the mets. including his go-ahead rbi in the 17th inning, the total of beltran's win percentage added throughout the game, with his bat, was a negative 4.2%! using m.e.t.b.o.t.'s typical scoring methodology, m.e.t.b.o.t. would not have awarded any schaeffer points to carlos beltran. however, because of the extraordinary nature of the catch, m.e.t.b.o.t. determined that the appropriate course of action would be to deduct 14.1% win expectancy from joe smith, who would otherwise have been taking credit for the catch, and adding it to beltran's total, yielding a net win expectancy of +9.9% for beltran throughout the game, good for 0.66 schaeffer points. It can be reasoned that Beltran's catch didn't merely send the game from Houston having a 64.1% chance of winning to Houston having a 50% chance of winning, but rather that the hit boosted Hoston's chance from 64.1% to 99.1%, and the catch back down to 50%. In other words, -35.0% for Heilman and +49.1% for Beltran. m.e.t.b.o.t. is measuring the net game turn from the pitch to the catch. But he should perhaps consider the game turn from the pitch to the hit, and the hit to to the catch seperately, as hard as that is.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Jul 09 2007 03:12 PM

intriguing that m.e.t.b.o.t should be encouraged to detract from aaron heilman whereas it was joe smith who made the pitch that became the catch. m.e.t.b.o.t. considers human poster edgydc's approach to be valid, however, m.e.t.b.o.t. evaluates only known or knowable quantities. since there is no known historical data supporting the expectancy of luke scott's ball resulting in a run scoring, as opposed to an out, m.e.t.b.o.t. cannot in good calculation utilize such an approach, regardless of its apparent soundness. were m.e.t.b.o.t. to assume a 100% expectancy that the batted ball would result in a hit, the maximum theoretical value, then there would be a -35.9% for joe smith and a +50% for carlos beltran. were this to be done, then the following would be the resulting vote totals. note that this would result also in joe smith receiving zero schaeffer points. Beltran 2.89 +2.23 Mota 1.81 -0.08 Sele 1.42 -0.07 Heilman 0.88 -0.04 Franco 0.79 -0.04 Feliciano 0.73 -0.03 Wagner 0.61 -0.03 Wright 0.57 -0.03 Glavine 0.19 -0.01 Delgado 0.11 nc Schoeneweis 0.01 nc Smith 0.00 -1.89 m.e.t.b.o.t. strongly desires an improved method for attributing defensive contributions to players, however, assuming the outcome of a given batted ball is considered to be problematic for most circumstances. the flaw inherent in the method m.e.t.b.o.t. utilizes for adjusting schaeffer vote totals for the 17 inning game is that the pitcher is not discredited for allowing the ball to be hit. however, the result of the pitch, and subsequently the batted ball is of prime importance, as it is the result which determines the outcome of the game, and not necessarily teh manner in which the outcome was arrived at. for this reason, m.e.t.b.o.t. will continue to apply his calculations as previously described.

Gwreck Jul 09 2007 04:25 PM

="G-Fafif"]I gave Beltran my first "6" of the year. Since I refuse to slice and dice any thinner than a half-point, I realized that would leave a lot of deserving Mets dry and I felt a little bad about that (especially considering the bonuses the players get based on our support). But dang it, I reasoned, if making the play of the year (of several years) in the fourteenth inning with everything on the line AND driving in the winning run isn't overwhelming Player of the Game stuff, then what is? But he can be player of the game without giving him 6 points, can't he? Didn't Pedro Feliciano get it done in the 9th with everything on the line, too? And Joe Smith in the 12th? If they don't get it done there, Beltran doesn't even have a chance. P.S. Before the 14th, Carlos didn't exactly have a great game, either. He's failed to get it done in the 6th, 8th, 11th, and 13th. ]Spreading the credit around because it takes a village to win an epic ballgame is a valid impulse. But I have the feeling if we had been running this exercise for the Giants on October 3, 1951, we'd have given Bobby Thomson no more than 2.5 points for his world-heard shot because how can you overlook Sal Maglie and Whitey Lockman and we have to give a point to Larry Jansen for holding the Dodgers in the ninth. I don't think a playoff for the pennant is comparable to an out-of-division game in early July.

Edgy DC Jul 09 2007 06:41 PM

m.e.t.b.o.t. wrote: m.e.t.b.o.t. considers human poster edgydc's approach to be valid, however, m.e.t.b.o.t. evaluates only known or knowable quantities Ah, that doesn't quite jibe with: m.e.t.b.o.t. wrote: m.e.t.b.o.t. must confess that m.e.t.b.o.t. was forced to perform a singular modification to m.e.t.b.o.t.'s scoring methodology for the extra-inning game. Sorry about m.e.t.b.o.t. wrote: intriguing that m.e.t.b.o.t should be encouraged to detract from aaron heilman whereas it was joe smith who made the pitch that became the catch. Obviously my programming comes up short in differentiating among white righthanded Met relievers.

G-Fafif Jul 09 2007 11:51 PM

Gwreck wrote: Didn't Pedro Feliciano get it done in the 9th with everything on the line, too? And Joe Smith in the 12th? If they don't get it done there, Beltran doesn't even have a chance. P.S. Before the 14th, Carlos didn't exactly have a great game, either. He's failed to get it done in the 6th, 8th, 11th, and 13th. You're absolutely correct about all of that. Yet in 5, 10, 20 years should I be so lucky, I won't find myself retelling the story of that great night in Houston when Pedro Feliciano retired Lance Berkman. A few times a season, one owes it to oneself to get lost in the moment. For what it's worth, Willie Mays went 0-for-3 with two walks in the first game of the 1954 World Series, the one in which he made the catch I thought of Saturday night after Beltran made his. Retroactively, I'd find a way to give Mays the six points in the Knickerbocker Player of the Game voting. (And the other four to Dusty Rhodes.)

Edgy DC Jul 10 2007 05:29 AM

Let's keep in mind that Thompson's homer was a cheapie, and the ball Vic Wertz drove went about twice as far.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 11 2007 07:31 AM

Voting for the following games will close on Thursday: July 6, Astros 4, Mets 0: http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6798 July 7, Mets 5, Astros 3, 17 innings: http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6801

Benjamin Grimm Jul 12 2007 08:28 AM

Closing on Friday: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6806 That's the Sunday afternoon 8-3 loss to the Astros in Houston.

Willets Point Jul 13 2007 08:17 AM

Due do the nonstop bitchfest in the first half of the season I adjusted my formula to be more generous to pitchers starting with last night's game. Early results are pointing towards good since my score for Hernandez is right in the middle of the pack.

Willets Point Jul 16 2007 07:36 AM

Yancy, I know you like to close the polls quickly but is there any chance that you could keep the polls for the July 17-18 games against the Padres open until Sunday? Since I'm seeing this games in person I definitely want to vote for them, but I don't know if I'll be near a computer until I get home. Thanks!

Benjamin Grimm Jul 16 2007 09:02 AM

I can do that. Tuesday's game would normally close on Friday anyway, and Wednesday's would close over the weekend. Meanwhile, last Thursday's game against the Reds at Shea will close on Tuesday of this week: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6838

Willets Point Jul 16 2007 09:13 AM

Thanks!

MFS62 Jul 16 2007 09:16 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Let's keep in mind that Thompson's homer was a cheapie, and the ball Vic Wertz drove went about twice as far. That is a very philosophical observation - that the path taken is as important as the destination. Examples of this might be found in: Tao - "the way" Tso - "The chicken General" Pow - "The Caped Crusader" Po - the river Poboy - the sandwich. I forgot to take my medication today. Later

Willets Point Jul 16 2007 09:26 AM

General Tso outranks Colonel Sanders. Remember that.

MFS62 Jul 16 2007 09:29 AM

Willets Point wrote: General Tso outranks Colonel Sanders. Remember that. I'll keep that in mind. :) Later

Benjamin Grimm Jul 16 2007 09:30 AM

Didn't want this lost on the previous page: Yancy Street Gang wrote: Last Thursday's game against the Reds at Shea will close on Tuesday of this week: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6838

Benjamin Grimm Jul 17 2007 09:11 AM

Okay, that game's closed now. Three more remain of the series against the Reds at Shea. The three weekend games will close on Wednesday: Friday, Reds 8, Mets 4: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6852 Saturday, Mets 2, Reds 1: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6857 Sunday, Mets 5, Reds 2: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6861

Benjamin Grimm Jul 19 2007 07:12 AM

Closing on Friday: The Mets series-opening loss in San Diego Monday night: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6878 If you haven't voted and plan to do so, please do so.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 22 2007 05:38 AM

Vote totals are low for the final two games in San Diego. Nevertheless, voting will close on Monday: Schaefer POTG 07/17/07 Mets 7, Padres 0: http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6889 Schaefer POTG 07/18/07 Padres 5, Mets 4: http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6898

Edgy DC Jul 22 2007 06:01 PM

For the first time this year, please remember to distinguish OHernandez from AHernandez.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 22 2007 06:25 PM

Yes, thank you.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 23 2007 08:18 AM

Schaefer participation continues to plummet. Only six votes ((G-Fafif, metirish, Frayed Knot, Yancy Street Gang, Gwreck, Rockin' Doc) so far for Thursday's 13-9 win in Los Angeles. Nevertheless, voting will close on Tuesday. If you haven't voted yet, please do so: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6910 The remaining three games against the Dodgers will close on Wednesday.

Willets Point Jul 23 2007 09:52 AM

Will vote on the Dodgers series tonight.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 24 2007 08:12 AM

Thank you to those who voted on the Thursday game and brought the total up to a respectable ten votes. Three more games will close tomorrow (Wednesday), which will wrap up the series in Los Angeles. Friday, Mets 4, Dodgers 1: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6917 Saturday, Dodgers 8, Mets 6: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6923 Sunday, Mets 5, Dodgers 4 (10): http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6929 Saturday's game is a little light, with only 7 votes, but that's fairly typical for a loss. Whatever happened to metsmarathon and m.e.t.b.o.t., by the way? Their absence is certainly contributing to the lower vote totals.

Willets Point Jul 24 2007 10:48 AM

Willets Point wrote: Will vote on the Dodgers series tonight. ...or maybe I'll just fall asleep on the couch. I suck.

metsmarathon Jul 24 2007 12:03 PM

i... uh... went on vacation for a week and came to the realization that m.e.t.b.o.t.'s skate key just doesn't turn itself. then i thought i lost both the skate key AND my only memory stick which contains my overly complex formula. i was not happy. i wound up m.e.t.b.o.t and it looked almost as if his tinny little face was trying to express disappointment in me. i realize now that i need both a backup spreadsheet, and an auto-winder for m.e.t.b.o.t., kinda like they have for wristwatches... we're in catch-up mode, and will hopefully be able to contribute more meaningfully tonight

Willets Point Jul 24 2007 12:08 PM

I'm sure you could get Rogers to come over and turn 'bot's key next time.

metsmarathon Jul 24 2007 01:34 PM

yeah, see, i'm just not comfortable with how much that sounds like a euphemism...

Benjamin Grimm Jul 24 2007 01:56 PM

Euphemism or not, I don't think I'd be comfortable with him in my house.

Willets Point Jul 25 2007 08:09 AM

Working on Dodgers games right now. Please don't close polls!

Benjamin Grimm Jul 25 2007 08:13 AM

I was just about to get started, but I'll wait until I see your vote in each of the three threads. You've already missed the Thursday series opener, though. That one closed yesterday.

Willets Point Jul 25 2007 08:54 AM

All done. Thanks for your patience!

Benjamin Grimm Jul 26 2007 08:17 AM

We have 11 voters so far for Tuesday night's win against the Pirates. That's a decent number by recent standards, so there might not be any more coming. If anyone is still interested in voting, you have another 24 hours or so. Voting for Tuesday's game will close on Friday: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6947 The Schaefer Mets Player and Pitcher of the Month Awards are scheduled to be announced on Friday, August 3. There are three pitchers with a real shot at Pitcher of the Month. Each Mets starter gets one more start in July, so the pressure is on.

Rockin' Doc Jul 28 2007 02:56 PM

Those voters that always award a total of 10 points for every game will have a tough time finding perfomances worthy of such totals for last night's 6-2 defeat against the Nationals. The Mets performance and performance really wreaked in that game.

Gwreck Jul 29 2007 12:43 AM

Rockin' Doc wrote: Those voters that always award a total of 10 points for every game will have a tough time finding perfomances worthy of such totals for last night's 6-2 defeat against the Nationals. The Mets performance and performance really wreaked in that game. No kidding. I maintain it's games like those that so obviously show the flaw of always awarding 10 points.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 30 2007 08:54 AM

Voting for last Wednesday night's win over the Pirates, and Thursday afternoon's loss, will close on Tuesday. July 25, Mets 6, Pirates 3: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6952 July 26: Pirates 8, Mets 4: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6957 The entire four-game series against the Nationals will close on Wednesday.

Edgy DC Jul 30 2007 09:40 AM

A request. I hope we can link to recap/box in future dates, instead of just a box, so if I vote a few days late, I can be reminded that, oh, right, that's the game where he turned that nifty DP, or that's the game Beltran climbed the hill.

Willets Point Jul 30 2007 09:41 AM

Damn! I'm way behind in voting again.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 30 2007 09:45 AM

That's okay, I'm a little behind in tallying. There are currently six games open, and they'll all be closed by Wednesday.

metsmarathon Jul 31 2007 06:03 AM

damnit, where the hell is that skate key? yance, do you mind holding off on the pittsburgh loss until this afternoon when i can get to winding up poor, underutilized m.e.t.b.o.t.? should be about 1 or so.

SteveJRogers Jul 31 2007 06:08 AM

metsmarathon wrote: damnit, where the hell is that skate key? yance, do you mind holding off on the pittsburgh loss until this afternoon when i can get to winding up poor, underutilized m.e.t.b.o.t.? should be about 1 or so. Maybe he was spending a little too much time with those guys in my co-worker's office?

Benjamin Grimm Jul 31 2007 01:03 PM

Voting for all four games against the Nationals will close on Wednesday: Friday, Washington 6, Mets 2: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6967 Saturday, Mets 3, Washington 1: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6970 Saturday, Washington 6, Mets 5: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6974 Sunday, Mets 5, Washington 0: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6977 ALL four games are especially light in vote counts. If you haven't voted yet, please do so.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Jul 31 2007 02:19 PM

m.e.t.b.o.t. would like to point out a remarkable bit of information. were m.e.t.b.o.t to be performing schaeffer-like voting for the washington nationals instead of the new york mets, m.e.t.b.o.t. would be faced with quite a dilemma. you see, the washington nationals, in the 29 july 5 inning loss against the mets, had not a single player perform in such a fashion as to increase the chances of a national win. each and every single player contributed negatively. were there a robot similar to m.e.t.b.o.t. that performed this voting function for the nationals, a n.a.t.b.o.t., as it were, then that robot would be unable to vote for the game. or at least, m.e.t.b.o.t. would be unable to distribute schaeffer votes in a game in which no met contributes positively. n.a.t.b.o.t. might have better programming and a higher budget, who knows. to date, this has yet to happen to the mets, and m.e.t.b.o.t. prefers that this continues, as it is m.e.t.b.o.t.'s preference to be able to vote in any and all games for which m.e.t.b.o.t.'s skate key is turned. also, if this were to happen to the mets, then it would mean that the mets would have lost a given game, perhaps badly so, thereby lessening m.e.t.b.o.t.'s probability of participating in postseason schaeffer voting. while m.e.t.b.o.t. does not possess an ability to feel excitement, postseason schaeffer voting is an objective of m.e.t.b.o.t.'s.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 31 2007 02:26 PM

Sorry, m.e.t.b.o.t., we don't do post-season Schaefer voting. (I guess October 2006 was before you were born.)

Centerfield Jul 31 2007 02:29 PM

Wait m.e.t.b.o.t., how is that possible? Didn't they pick up a hit? How would that have a negative impact? How about outs recorded by the Nats pitchers? Doesn't that have a positive effect?

Edgy DC Jul 31 2007 02:34 PM

I think he found the lone hit --- a one-out first-inning single by Belliard --- offset by his popout in the fourth. Belliard also handled two chances, but the 'b.o.t. doesn't count fielding.

metsmarathon Jul 31 2007 05:55 PM

hey, i thought we at least did unofficial postseason voting...

m.e.t.b.o.t. Jul 31 2007 06:17 PM

no schaeffer voting? how unfortunate. m.e.t.b.o.t. will still use the postseason to practice voting to help ensure a more seamless 2008 voting season, with luck. as to the game, both national pitchers allowed runs to be scored. national pitcher chris schroder came into the 3rd inning with runners on first and second, and allowed a run-scoring single to metropolitan third baseman david wright. the run belonged to national pitcher billy traber, but the reduction in win expectancy belonged to national pitcher chris schroder. national second baseman ronnie belliard just barely negated a first inning, one out single, +0.024 WPA, with a leadoff out in the top of the 4th, -0.027 WPA, for a net of -0.003 win probability added.

Edgy DC Jul 31 2007 06:24 PM

I've got to think his successful chances get him back into the black.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Jul 31 2007 06:44 PM

in the fourth inning, national second baseman ronnie belliard fielded a throw from national pitcher billy traber to record the first out of the inning on metropolitan pitcher john maine at first base, while metropolitan second baseman ruben gotay advanced to second base. the total win probability added to the nationals was 0.005. in the fifth inning, national second baseman ronnie belliard caught a pop fly ball from metropolitan left fielder moises alou to record the first out. the total win probability added to the nationals was 0.004. the maximum theoretical win probability added by ronnie belliard's defense is 0.009. were there a method to discern the contribution of fielders, in catching batted balls, throwing batted balls, catching thrown balls, and applying tags to runners, from the pitcher's contribution in throwing a pitch which resulted in the chance for the fielder, then m.e.t.b.o.t. would perform such a calculation. the one thing that m.e.t.b.o.t. does not yet have any information regarding is whether the shortstop or the second baseman was covering second base when metropolitan third baseman successfully stole second base. were a defender to receive credit for his participation in other fielding chances, then a defender would also have to receive debits for his participation in a successful stolen base for the opposition. m.e.t.b.o.t. is not programmed with the knowledge of whether or not a player fielding a throw on an attempted stolen base is credited with a defensive chance when that stolen base attempt is successful, and therefore cannot be certain that the two defensive chances cited by human poster edgy dc would necessarily include this defensive play. the known defensive chances, assuming some amount of contribution by national second baseman ronnie belliard, may offset the negative offensive contribution, and there is admittedly a chance that in total, national poster ronnie belliard might have a total nonnegative contribution.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 02 2007 08:27 AM

Voting for Tuesday night's 13-inning loss in Milwaukee will close on Friday. http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6995 That will also close out July, so look for the Player of the Month and Pitcher of the Month announcement some time tomorrow. Only five voters so far for that Brewers game, so please get your votes in soon if you plan to and haven't done so.

metsmarathon Aug 02 2007 10:55 PM

i wanna give milledge and green some glove love, but i just can't... i am looking into a tweak to my formula that'd do just such a thing, but i wanna see how it'd affect my voting so far before i do just such a thing. basically i'm starting to look at LOB's a bit more harshly, and non-linearly so. the difference between leaving 1 on base and 2 on base is less than between leaving 3 on base and 4. also, i need to be giving more credit for saves, and for excellent glovework. we'll see what i come up with...

Benjamin Grimm Aug 03 2007 07:17 AM

Last call for Tuesday night's 13-inning game: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6995 Eight voters so far. If your name isn't G-Fafif, Yancy Street Gang, bmfc1, Frayed Knot, metirish, Kid Carsey, metsmarathon, or m.e.t.b.o.t. and you want to vote this game, please do it this morning. At some point after 12 noon today the voting will close. Since the game was played on the last day of July, look for the Player and Pitcher of the Month announcement some time this afternoon.

Willets Point Aug 03 2007 09:29 AM

Is this the game that Milledge made that great catch? I don't think it's enough to outweigh his negative offensive performance for my formula, but it would explain to me why he's getting so many points from other voters.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 03 2007 01:12 PM

If your name is G-Fafif, bmfc1, Yancy Street Gang, Edgy DC, TransMonk, metirish, Frayed Knot, or Gwreck, then you've already voted for Wednesday night's 8-5 win over the Brewers. If not, please vote soon because the game will close over the weekend.

Gwreck Aug 03 2007 01:14 PM

I wish you would hold the games open a little longer sometimes. Tuesday's game (in which I just voted (oops!) after it was closed) was open for voting less than 72 hours.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 03 2007 01:19 PM

You get two full weekdays. A Tuesday game will close on Friday. A Friday game will close on Wednesday. Some say the games are open for too long and that the forum gets too filled up with Schaefer threads. Others say that they close too quickly, so there's no pleasing everybody. Sorry you missed out on that game, but these things do move quickly. On the other hand, I'm going to be on vacation the last two weeks of August, so the games played during that time will be open much longer than usual.

G-Fafif Aug 03 2007 04:52 PM

So I was browsing through the 1979 yearbook last night (as I'm sure most people were) and I noticed a picture of Willie Montaņez being presented his...Schaefer Player of the Year Award for 1978! Looked like it was at Al Lang. Ralph Kiner took part in the ceremony.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 03 2007 04:58 PM

Really??? Wow! That's our first case of an actual documented winner that we've been able to unearth. Nice going! I'm going to scramble for my 1979 yearbook right now. I'll have to post that photo on this page.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 03 2007 05:03 PM

You must have a different edition than the one I do, Greg. Mine has no such picture, although it does have this gem: And there's also a Rolaids ad that says that in 1978 the Mets spelled relief S-K-I-P L-O-C-K-W-O-O-D.

G-Fafif Aug 03 2007 05:04 PM

Page 43. Leroy Neiman and, I'm guessing, a brewery exec are in on it. You'd think he'd get beer, but he gets a Neiman. It's on the page labeled Celebrity Friends, including Garrett Morris, Eartha Kitt and Andy Warhol. The '79 Mets...who knew?

Edgy DC Aug 03 2007 05:25 PM

That's some bad Schaefer voting. Willie may have styled on his homers and popup catches, and (barely) led the team in homers but he was more like the fifth best Met.

G-Fafif Aug 03 2007 05:28 PM

96 RBI at the time was third-best in club history, behind Staub and Clendenon. On a team with 96 losses, they loomed awfully large. Twenty-three more than his nearest competitor.

Kid Carsey Aug 03 2007 05:33 PM

Just lookin', DD placed him at 18/30 for '79 and got no arguments in the rankings forum. OE: arguments are more than welcome to be added to the rankings forum threads. Encouraged.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 03 2007 05:42 PM

="G-Fafif"]Page 43. Leroy Neiman and, I'm guessing, a brewery exec are in on it. You'd think he'd get beer, but he gets a Neiman. Found it, thanks! Maybe we can commission Randy Neimann to paint a picture of this year's winner.

G-Fafif Aug 03 2007 05:47 PM

Kid Carsey wrote: Just lookin', DD placed him at 18/30 for '79 and got no arguments in the rankings forum. Willie Montanez: Lousy '79 but award-winning '78.

Kid Carsey Aug 03 2007 05:56 PM

I'd blame the heat, but it's more quick reading and poor reading comprehension skills at times.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 03 2007 06:04 PM

Greg, thanks for scanning and sending the photo, but I had already scanned it myself. (Thanks for the page 43 tip.) Anyone who'd like to see the photo can find it here: http://ultimatemets.com/schaefer.php

G-Fafif Aug 03 2007 06:18 PM

How awesome would it be if that's hanging in Willie's den?

Edgy DC Aug 03 2007 09:12 PM

That's'm a great web page.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 06 2007 07:18 AM

Let's remember to keep discussion out of the voting threads. This is from the August 5 thread: Frayed Knot wrote: ="metsguyinmichigan"]Glavine 3 Lastings 2 Castillo 1 Only a 6-point game? Perfectly legit if that's what you want, but in games like this one I have a tough time keeping the points down to the maximum allowable 10. Also, Michigan, please vote for "Milledge" not for "Lastings" How to vote

Benjamin Grimm Aug 06 2007 07:23 AM

I have to admit that it is strange to see four points left on the table, and a big zero for Delgado, who drove in 4 runs out of 8. Anyway, tomorrow marks the closing of Thursday's series finale in Milwaukee. http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7017 The entire Chicago series will close on Wednesday.

Edgy DC Aug 06 2007 12:08 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 07 2007 07:00 AM

Keep in mind that Damion Easley, in this game, while he did go 0-4, made a leaping catch against the wall in right, clocked his head on the ivey-covered brick, and stayed in the game.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 07 2007 06:54 AM

Voting for the entire Cubs series will close on Wednesday. Friday: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7029 Saturday: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7032 Sunday: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7042 Sunday's game, Tom Glavine's 300th win, seems especially low on votes. If your name isn't Gwreck, TransMonk, metsguyinmichigan, Frayed Knot, G-Fafif, Yancy Street Gang, metirish, sharpie, or Vic Sage, then you haven't voted yet for this game.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 08 2007 08:48 PM

="metsguyinmichigan"]Moises 2 Reyes 2 Duque 1 Green 1 Michigan, please read the voting rules. http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6278 Thanks!

metsguyinmichigan Aug 09 2007 06:14 AM

="Yancy Street Gang"] ="metsguyinmichigan"]Moises 2 Reyes 2 Duque 1 Green 1 Michigan, please read the voting rules. http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6278 Thanks! My bad! Sorry about that. Mets Guy -1

Benjamin Grimm Aug 09 2007 07:08 AM

Thanks, Michigan. Voting for Tuesday night's loss to the Braves will close on Friday: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7057 Only five voters so far: G-Fafif, Frayed Knot, Willets Point, metirish, Yancy Street Gang Please be sure to get your vote in if you haven't voted yet and plan to.

Willets Point Aug 09 2007 08:03 AM

It's nice to be in the in-group for once.

metsmarathon Aug 09 2007 09:25 AM

i wonder if JD was planning on giving out the missing 0.00099 schaeffer points to anybody...

Benjamin Grimm Aug 10 2007 07:36 AM

Voting for Wednesday's win over the Braves will close some time over the weekend. http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7068 There are 13 votes in the thread, which is about normal for a Mets win these days, so it's possible that everyone has voted. Nevertheless, voting will remain open at least through the remainder of today. Another point of business: My last Schaefer tallying for a while will be on Friday, August 17. After that I'm going to disappear on vacation for a couple of weeks. I may vote for a few of the games if I happen to find an Internet terminal in my hotel lobby, but I won't be tallying. Keep voting, and I'll get caught up when I get back after Labor Day.

Gwreck Aug 10 2007 11:21 AM

Tough break for Shawn Green on Wednesday's game. Contributed as much as he was given the opportunity to -- a perfect, 4-4 day -- but getting about a point less than El Duque's solid yet unspectacular 7 IP, 3 ER outing. (Green averaging 1.24; Hernandez averaging 2.22 pts). If you asked me who the player of the game was -- I'd say Green. Nods to Alou and Castillo for clutch contributions but Green had the best performance.

Kid Carsey Aug 12 2007 07:07 PM

Wasn't redundant on 8/12, I was a good half hour before G's, just sayin'.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 12 2007 07:56 PM

I know. I kept his because it had a vote in it.

G-Fafif Aug 13 2007 12:55 AM

Kid Carsey wrote: Wasn't redundant on 8/12, I was a good half hour before G's, just sayin'. Sorry if I missed an established POTG thread. E-Me.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 13 2007 08:30 AM

Voting for Thursday's 7-6 loss to Atlanta will close on Tuesday: http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7076 Voting for the entire Florida series will close on Wednesday.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 14 2007 06:46 AM

Three more games will close tomorrow (Wednesday): August 10, Marlins 4, Mets 3: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7090 August 11, Marlins 7, Mets 5: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7095 August 12, Mets 10, Marlins 4: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7100 Be aware that voting often closes fairly early in the morning, so if you have any votes that you want to get in, try to do it today. Tonight's game in Pittsburgh will be tallied on Friday, and that will be the last Schaefer tally for a couple of weeks. I'll get caught up on the tabulating when I return from vacation on Labor Day.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 16 2007 07:16 AM

If your name is Johnny Dickshot, Frayed Knot, G-Fafif, bmfc1, soupcan, Yancy Street Gang, or Vic Sage, then you've already voted for Tuesday night's win in Pittsburgh. If not, please vote today because voting will close tomorrow, perhaps in the early morning. http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7124 Note to G-Fafif: It's probably partially my fault, because I initially got the score wrong (8-8 instead of 10-8) but you opened (and voted in) a duplicate Schaefer thread for Wednesday night's win over the Pirates. That thread has been locked (because there were already three votes in the original thread) so please repost your numbers in the correct thread. Thanks! (And sorry! The score has been corrected.) Tomorrow's tally will be the last one for a while. I might vote in a few of the threads while I'm on vacation, but I won't have my magic spreadsheet with me, so no additional tallying will occur until after Labor Day. Please keep voting though. When I return I'll catch up on my voting and my tallying, and I'll announce the August Player and Pitcher of the Month winners.

G-Fafif Aug 16 2007 11:54 AM

I actually do need to get my eyes checked, but I really need to get my eyes checked. All the POTG and IGT threads kind of blur together when I go to look to see if there's one up and or I need to start one in order to vote. Twice in one week...sorry again.

Kid Carsey Aug 19 2007 03:36 PM

Voting for the remaining games of the Pittsburgh series will end early Monday evening.

G-Fafif Aug 24 2007 09:28 AM

The August 23 POTG thread requires renaming as the score was 9-8 (10). With all the high-scoring games of late, it's getting a bit confusing out there.

G-Fafif Aug 24 2007 09:30 AM

A friend loaned me Tom Oliphant's Praying for Gil Hodges, which has its moments, but brews a boo-boo when noting how the '55 Dodgers celebrated with "Schaeffer beer". If you're a real writer writing a real book, how do you not spell the name of your beloved childhood team's major sponsor correctly? The Schaefer logo was on the Ebbets Field scoreboard, for crissake.

Willets Point Aug 24 2007 10:22 AM

="G-Fafif"]A friend loaned me Tom Oliphant's Praying for Gil Hodges, which has its moments, but brews a boo-boo when noting how the '55 Dodgers celebrated with "Schaeffer beer". If you're a real writer writing a real book, how do you not spell the name of your beloved childhood team's major sponsor correctly? The Schaefer logo was on the Ebbets Field scoreboard, for crissake. Literal Schaefer Commentary from Greg.

G-Fafif Aug 24 2007 11:45 AM

="Willets Point"] ="G-Fafif"]A friend loaned me Tom Oliphant's Praying for Gil Hodges, which has its moments, but brews a boo-boo when noting how the '55 Dodgers celebrated with "Schaeffer beer". If you're a real writer writing a real book, how do you not spell the name of your beloved childhood team's major sponsor correctly? The Schaefer logo was on the Ebbets Field scoreboard, for crissake. Literal Schaefer Commentary from Greg. It's the one thread to have when you're having more than one.

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2007 02:07 PM

But not more than one 'f'

G-Fafif Aug 27 2007 12:41 AM

The Mets 4 Dodgers 3 game took place on 8/25 and to alleviate confusion should be identified by that date, por favor.

Willets Point Sep 01 2007 05:18 PM

Just a friendly note to Frayed to correct his vote and give credit to the proper starting pitcher or feel the wrath of Yancy. Frayed Knot wrote: Maine - 3.9 Beltran - 2.4 Delgado - 1.3 Milledge - 1.1 Feliciano - 1.3

Benjamin Grimm Sep 02 2007 08:10 AM

Thank you, Willets. Games closing soon, perhaps as early as Tuesday. If you have any catching up to do, do your catching up before I do my catching up. Mets vs. Pirates http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7136 http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7172 Mets vs. Nationals http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7155 http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7160 http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7162 Mets vs. Padres http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7179 http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7186 http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7192 Mets vs. Dodgers http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7197 http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7202 http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7209 Mets vs. Phillies http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7221 http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7227 http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7236 http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7247

Elster88 Sep 03 2007 07:01 PM

3 points is too many for Pedro for his debut.

G-Fafif Sep 03 2007 08:58 PM

Elster88 wrote: 3 points is too many for Pedro for his debut. Good thing you have a vote and give him as few as you like.

Edgy DC Sep 03 2007 08:59 PM

Snaps all over the place!

Nymr83 Sep 03 2007 09:55 PM

the entire forum has flooded with month old POTG threads! and its all that robot's fault! damn his never-tiring circuits!

m.e.t.b.o.t. Sep 03 2007 09:58 PM

the human operator is at fault. the human operator always winds up m.e.t.b.o.t. only after the human operator has completed his voting, leaving m.e.t.b.o.t. as the apparent poster responsible for flooding the forum.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 04 2007 12:36 PM

I'm actually caught up on my Schaefer tallying. (Thank you, magic spreadsheet!) Because of the Labor Day holiday, the August 30 loss to the Phillies isn't due to close until tomorrow (Wednesday), so I'll hold off on that one until then: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7247 Last Friday's win against Atlanta will close on Thursday, which will also close out August. Look for a Player (and Pitcher) of the Month announcement on Thursday, September 6.

Edgy DC Sep 04 2007 12:45 PM

I think David Wright is going to win Player and Pitcher of the Month.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 05 2007 07:45 AM

Gwreck, can you please copy your Schaefer vote for September 4 from this thread: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7292 to this one: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7290 ? Thanks! Edgy, for the same game, you voted twice for Green: Green 1.585 Green 0.0126 I'm not sure what that will do to my magic spreadsheet. (Probably nothing.) But I might as well point out that anything after the second decimal place is going to get discarded so its pointless (although harmless) to extend your votes to four decimal places.

metirish Sep 05 2007 07:59 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 05 2007 08:06 AM

When was the last time a position player got the full wallop of points?

Benjamin Grimm Sep 05 2007 08:04 AM

No position player has ever earned a full six points in the final tally. In fact, I believe that Alay Soler with his shutout in Arizona last year is the only Met ever to earn a 6. (Aaron Heilman's one-hitter in 2005 got him a 5.98.) When I gave Lo Duca 6 points for last night's game, I think (but I'm not sure) it was the first time I ever gave a full six-pack to a non-pitcher. Lo Duca's already received some votes that award fewer than six points, so he won't be tying Soler's record.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 05 2007 08:10 AM

He doesn't deserve 6 either, considering he made 2 poor defensive plays leading to 2 runs.

Edgy DC Sep 05 2007 08:29 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Gwreck, can you please copy your Schaefer vote for September 4 from this thread: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7292 to this one: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7290 ? Thanks! Edgy, for the same game, you voted twice for Green: Green 1.585 Green 0.0126 I'm not sure what that will do to my magic spreadsheet. (Probably nothing.) But I might as well point out that anything after the second decimal place is going to get discarded so its pointless (although harmless) to extend your votes to four decimal places. I'll edit.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 05 2007 08:42 AM

Thanks! Voting for the entire Atlanta series will close tomorrow (Thursday) morning: Fri., 08/31, Mets 7, Braves 1: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7263 Sat., 09/01, Mets 5, Braves 1: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7267 Sun., 09/02, Mets 3, Braves 2: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7273 Vote counts for Sunday's win are still a little light. Please vote today if you intend to and haven't yet done so. And watch for the big Player and Pitcher of the Month announcement!

Willets Point Sep 05 2007 09:03 AM

I could have sworn I'd already voted for Sunday, but that's up to date now

Benjamin Grimm Sep 06 2007 06:53 AM

Voting for the first two games in Cincinnati will close on Friday morning: Monday, Mets 10, Reds 4: http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7279 Tuesday, Mets 11, Reds 7: http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7290

Benjamin Grimm Sep 07 2007 04:49 AM

Voting for the Mets' 7-0 loss to the Reds on Wednesday will close over the weekend. http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7298

Benjamin Grimm Sep 11 2007 05:48 AM

Voting for all three of last weekend's games at Shea against Houston will close on Wednesday morning: Friday: http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7315 Saturday: http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7321 Sunday: http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7325

Benjamin Grimm Sep 11 2007 08:30 AM

Wow, what consensus! Five of the first nine voters for the September 10 game voted exactly the same. Perez 4, Wright 2, Beltran, Reyes, Heilman, and Wagner, 1 each.

sharpie Sep 11 2007 08:37 AM

Because that was the correct way to vote.

TransMonk Sep 11 2007 08:46 AM

I was just copying Yancy. I wanted to give Castillo something, but I'm anti-fractions for Schaefer.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 12 2007 06:44 AM

Voting for Monday night's win over the Braves will close on Thursday, probably in the morning. http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7331

Benjamin Grimm Sep 13 2007 08:28 AM

If your name is G-Fafif, Yancy Street Gang, bmfc1, or Johnny Dickshot, then you've already voted for Tuesday night's 13-5 loss to the Braves. If not, please vote today because voting will close on Friday morning. http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7342

Valadius Sep 13 2007 02:28 PM

I'm concerned that Alou isn't getting enough credit from Schaefer voters. He's got a 17-game hitting streak going! I, for one, am going to keep giving him at least a bite of my Schaefer pie as long as he keeps it alive.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 14 2007 06:31 AM

Only eight votes so far for the Mets nice win against the Braves on Wednesday night. If your name is TransMonk, Yancy Street Gang, Valadius, metirish, Johnny Dickshot, bmfc1, sharpie, or Frayed Knot, then you've already voted. If your name is G-Fafif, then you need to move your vote from the locked duplicate thread to the real thread. And if you haven't voted, and intend to do so, please vote today. The game will close some time over the coming weekend. http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7351

Gwreck Sep 14 2007 10:32 PM

Valadius wrote: I'm concerned that Alou isn't getting enough credit from Schaefer voters. He's got a 17-game hitting streak going! I, for one, am going to keep giving him at least a bite of my Schaefer pie as long as he keeps it alive. 1 for 4 doesn't and shouldn't get you Schaefer. Only 6 of those 17 games were multi-hit.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 18 2007 12:47 PM

Voting for all three games of this past weekend's series against Philadelphia will close on Wednesday. There have been 11 voters for each game, which is about as much as I can expect from a loss, so I suspect that everyone has voted. Still, the polls will remain open until tomorrow morning. Friday night's heartbreak: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7368 Saturday afternoon's disaster: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7374 Sunday afternoon's debacle: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7380

Benjamin Grimm Sep 19 2007 07:41 AM

Voting for Monday night's horror show in DC will close on Thursday morning: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7392

Benjamin Grimm Sep 20 2007 05:55 AM

bmfc1 voted twice for Sosa in Wednesday night's game in DC. Please edit! Thanks. http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7420

bmfc1 Sep 20 2007 06:29 AM

Done.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 20 2007 07:25 AM

Thanks bfmc1. Meanwhile, voting for Tuesday night's miserable loss will close on Friday morning: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7404

Benjamin Grimm Sep 21 2007 12:12 PM

Voting for Wednesday night's win in Washington will close some time over the weekend:

Benjamin Grimm Sep 24 2007 08:06 AM

Voting for Thursday night's 10-inning loss in Miami will close on Tuesday morning. The three wins that followed that awful game will close on Wednesday.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 25 2007 07:55 AM

Voting for the Mets final three games in Florida will close on Wednesday morning: Fri, Mets 9, Marlins 6: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7445 Sat, Mets 7, Marlins 2: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7449 Sun, Mets 7, Marlins 6: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7457

Benjamin Grimm Sep 27 2007 05:50 AM

The first two Mets-Nationals games at Shea this week will close on Friday morning. Voting is understandably light. If you haven't voted and intend to, today is the day. Monday: http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7468 Tuesday: http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7475

Rockin' Doc Sep 27 2007 11:17 AM

I'm having a hard time getting myself to vote recently. During the September collapse, most of the Mets have deserved to go thirsty.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 27 2007 01:02 PM

I know how you feel, Doc. I regret that I'm going to have to announce a Pitcher of the Month. None of them seem to deserve any honors at all for September.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 28 2007 07:54 AM

Voting for Wednesday's series finale against the Nationals will close some time over the weekend. http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7490 If your name is Johnny Dickshot, G-Fafif, bmfc1, Frayed Knot, Yancy Street Gang, or Rockin' Doc, then you've already voted. If it's not, then you haven't.

SteveJRogers Sep 30 2007 05:14 PM

I'm posting this here instead of the actual POTG thread, can we do what WFAN did and award all 10 points to the 3.8 million fans who made it to Shea this year?

Benjamin Grimm Sep 30 2007 05:17 PM

No.

SteveJRogers Sep 30 2007 05:20 PM

Well, thats why I asked it here rather than messing with the POTG thread =;)

metsmarathon Oct 01 2007 10:57 AM

well, i'm glad i'm not the only one who isn't going to give maine a 6.0 for his near no-hitter! i mean, i've prolly gotta add in a ticker for that and perhaps also for a deep one-hitter, but i'd really have to cheat to grant him the extra points that'd drag him into a 6. maybe its an update for next year... or not. right now, he gets a 5.0

Benjamin Grimm Oct 01 2007 11:19 AM

Voting for the Mets Thursday night loss to the Cardinals will close on Tuesday morning. http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7502

Benjamin Grimm Oct 02 2007 06:07 AM

Almost done. Three more games remain open for voting, and all three will close some time on Wednesday: Fri: http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7522 Sat: http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7527 Sun: http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7532 Friday's and Sunday's losses are light in vote counts. I can understand why nobody has much enthusiasm for this! But, regardless, the Schaefer awards for September and for 2007 will soon be announced.

Rockin' Doc Oct 02 2007 11:12 AM

It was bad enough suffering through those games the first time. I have a hard time getting myself to rehash them in order to distribute beer to the few players deserving of refreshment. However, I shall do my best to vote in the final series later this evening. Sorry, I missed the St. Louis debacle.